I personally have no negative associations with the term 'whore', a category which includes some of the sweetest girls I've known.

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I see that in the comments section at Lukeisback people think I have a good idea--I'm going to tip off all the new talent about which producers and directors are treating new talent like a POS, and I'm going to steer the new talent to the companies that respect women. Producers who abuse women, you are on notice--I've already selected the domain and am designing the site. In 2 years most of the talent you are shooting now will be gone, and maybe in 2 years most of the new talent will have been tipped off who to avoid in this business before they find out the hard way.

Look, I like Katja and Jewell and all the ladies, I respect all women. But every women, Katja Kassin, Jewell, Tricia and anyone who has been called a whore by some man-pig--every woman can remember the first time they were put down with that word. Now, after getting older and wiser, these beautiful women know that it's just a word and they have the confidence and self-esteem to not let it hurt them.

However, there are many new 18 and 19 year old teenagers entering adult who still take it hard to be called a whore. Women have the power in adult and they should use it--tell the producers the "w" word is tired and lame now. Make porn cool and hold yourself to higher standards. Strive for quality performances and don't rely on stupid words like whore to get a cheap thrill.

Katja posted what Annie Sprinkle wrote. "40. Whores are rebelling against the absurd, patriarchal, sex-negative laws against their profession and are fighting for the legal right to receive financial compensation for their valuable work."

So performers, if you are going to let these idiots call you a whore, tell them to call you a whore in the positive way that Annie Sprinkle describes whores. Tell the idiots calling you white trash whore on dvd that they have to use it in a positive way--no more negative use of the word whore.

It's hurts the women who want to enter this industry and aspire to something bigger than being degraded by a man with a camera who calls them whore and degrades them to satisfy the fans.

I've made my point. Don't need to make it again. I suppose I'll let the rest of you go on about how you love to be called whores and how it turns you on to be treated like a POS in dvds. Most of you wont' be here in four years, you'll be replaced by new talent, and that's who my site will reach. I have to get to work. Nuff said. I'll be back to announce my new website in a month or so. Watch out, producers, there's going to be information the new talent can access about you and your content from now on, before they agree to shoot with you. I know some ladies who will provide lots of interesting BTS accounts of that will show just how uncool and stupid some of you really are.

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fundo I don't need you or anybody to speak up for me. I'm old and strong enough to do this myself if I don't like anything. Lately it seems you are on a crusade to make porn life a better place or whatever. You can say and write what you want if you speak for yourself but please don't speak in the name of the "performers", "ladies" etc.

You obviously don't understand Norma Jean. She doesn't want the word "whore" banned because she went through a lot to fight for her right to be one but she doesn't like to be labeled and judged and disrespected for what she does. Her statement is that whores are important members of society and should be treated as such.
If you ban the word, the disrespect and judgment won't stop. So to hell with the fuckin' word! it doesn't mean shit.

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I don't speak for any ladies--I speak for real men, and that is apparent from all of my posts--and I'm saying to you, it's not cool to allow yourself to be called a whore. Whore doesn't mean prostitute in the sense it's being used. It means "worthless POS" and maybe you don't see that but it's apparent that is the context in which it is used.

Katja, with all due respect, you might be stronger than most of the female talent, and it is my perogative to speak as a man asking ladies to have more dignity and self-respect in the adult business. I've known an 18 year-old girl that fled this industry after Max Hardcore pissed in her mouth. I dislike men that abuse women. That's what is going on here. If you are okay with it, that's not cool with me, but I certainly don't speak for you--but before you entered this business and were in Germany, I was there in in the 1990s in LA and I saw things that you weren't around to see. I go all the way back to a performer named Lauren Brice who was in John Stagliano's 2nd Buttman movie (a classic!). Not with Lauren, but with several other ex-performers, I've had to deal with the aftermath of females who leave the industry broken and humiliated. As a man I can and will speak for them, and encourage all new performers, to not put up with this bs. So if you are okay with being called a whore, that's okay with me. I am positive that most performers don't want to be called a whore, but put up with it because they are young and don't know how to stand up for themselves.

It doesn't matter that 2 or 10 female performers and a few fans and a few producers post in this thread that it's cool to be called a whore and dog each other. It's something for men to call out these directors and producers who are doing this to women.

It sets a bad example to future female talent for you and others to allow yourselves to be degraded by these men, and I don't belive it sells, because if it did, gonzos would be banking instead of complaining about poor sales.
I've made my point. Don't need to make it again. I suppose I'll let the rest of you go on about how you love to be called whores and how it turns you on to be treated like a POS in dvds. Most of you wont' be here in four years, you'll be replaced by new talent, and that's who my site will reach. I have to get to work. Nuff said. I'll be back to announce my new website in a month or so. Watch out, producers, there's going to be information the new talent can access about you and your content from now on, before they agree to shoot with you.

Say what you want--performers, for most of you, your careers won't last long and your dvds will stop selling someday and your sites will be shut down, and all that will be left is a legacy of being called a whore. I'm trying to reach the new talent that is contemplating entering this industry and who have no idea yet how women in modern porn have allowed this sorry state of affairs to occur.

I have to get to work on the new site now. I will be back towards the end of the summer. The site will be linked at Lukeisback and [link removed: No tube sites] advertising.

Fundo

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And you are saying I have no dignity or self respect? I think you are absolutely wrong. You don't even know me.

You totally get Annie Sprinkle wrong. Just because whores want to fight the judgment they face every day doesn't mean they don't want to be whores. They just want to be able to pay taxes, get health insurance etc without being stalked by the law...

you as an individual can't speak for all men or all "ladies" or all performers. You can express your own personal opinion but you can't talk about me or a whole group of people and decide for me or for them.

anybody can make a website, go ahead if it makes you happy. But whores want to make as much money as they can in a short period of time and they won't care what you have to say about the people that sign their paychecks.
Once you suck dick for a living and possibly take it up the ass too it doesn't make a big difference if somebody wants to call you a whore. That's why we are fucking for a living. I'm totally honest with you, I wouldn't like to sit in an office and work my ass off for 8 hours every day for a whole month when I can make the same money in just a few hours.

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I don't need a spokesperson, I speak fine for myself. But fuck, you gotta know when to shut up already!

I'm done reading this thread.

- -B -I -G -m -i -k -e, here and there, over and out! - -

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"I put it in and it bounced," Powers says. "I go banging on his mother's trailer. I'm like what's up with this $3,000? She says Timmy wasn't supposed to give that to you. Timmy says you weren't going to cash it. Why the hell would I loan money if I don't want it. I paid for your stupid brother's cremation- as far as I'm concerned I own his ashes! I'll take them to a bukkake. That's when she started crying. I guess somebody told her what it was. I said I want my money."

When you get ripped a new one on the new website, newbie talent will avoid you until you are history in this business. It's the same principle as in the escort industry, when johns write bad reviews of escorts or otherwise are creeps, the escorts put out alerts on the john, and nobody will see him.

But in porn the gonzo-johns won't be able to change their identies, like Jim Powers--gonzo-john #1. I don't care how many friends this gonzo-john has

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By the way, Katja - Hi! Been a while! No bad German from me in years, I think! Nor am I going to start trying again now...

OK, so I'm going to do a comic, and I believe I'll call it...

Whores

Do I have any of your permissions to use your likenesses, whores? Please? I'll be gentle.

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So, it's simply a fact that they are whores. It's not being rude; it's just a simple truth.

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By the way, any title or ad copy is directed at the customer, not the performers. So, "Ass Blasting Felching Anal Whores" is a comment on what the producer thinks about us, rather than on what he thinks of the performers.

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If I'm walking down the street and a man drives by and screams "WHORE!" at me out his window then, well, I just shrug and move on. I mean, I don't have sex for money, so why should I take it personally? I just assume he has me mixed up with someone else and forget about it.

If I have my legs hooked over my lover's (or, dare I dream, Steve Holmes' ) shoulders while he's pounding my swollen pussy and he's looking deep into my eyes and calling me "his greedy little fucking whore" I'll just beg him to say it a little louder so that my neighbors can hear you say that too.

If I apply for a job as an escort, prostitute, or porn star and I see myself on a box cover (God forbid the monstrosity that would look like) with the worlds Sweet Innocent Melpster Finally Turns Filthy Whore #1 I'll nod and say, "Ahhh-yep. Ah reckon that's me."

I don't see what the problem is. If you don't want to be a whore, don't be one. If someone calls you one even if you're not, then again, who cares? Throwing words only hurt if you give them weight.

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Instead of trying to start a website to inform new girls, why not talk with the people at AIM about doing a more comprehensive consultation with each new girl. Something where they discuss specific producers and companies, and what she can expect from working with them. Since all new girls have to pass through AIM before they can start working, it would cover everyone.

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Have you seen my proposition? I think you should go on a campaign to encourage lady performers to call men "pigs." This will be the price for calling women whores.

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working in porn is wonderful for some people but surely not for everyone. If a girl has problems being called a whore she should definitely not choose to work in porn.

Independent of the California Supreme Court decision in the Freeman case, people will still call porn chicks whores.

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I DO agree with warning girls against 'bad' producers, but I think we have different ideas of what constitutes bad.

If a producer makes girls work with grotesque guys that she doesn't want to work with, if he says that he's hiring her for a boy/girl scene and then intimidates her into doing anal (or more), if he bounces checks... THAT's a bad producer.

Making girls aware of WHAT types of movies or attitudes different companies make or project could also be useful. But then let the girl decide if she wants to work for them, don't tell the girls that they can't work for someone.

There are directors in this business that I don't necessarily respect, and I'll tell my friends that they might not want to work for those directors. I told Kami about one such director a couple years ago. At the time, she chose to not take my advice, but my point is, it was her choice, and she chose to learn from HER experiences in life, not mine.

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1) Doesn't pay.
2) Used co-stars with STD problem.
3) Shoots types of porn where talent gets hit, pissed on ect.
4) Did not tell me ahead of time what shooting would entail.

If there were a standardized Better Business Bureau type form that could be kept on-line by a neutral entity, I suspect that the bad actors would become readily apparant. Of course then you could have various third parties filing false complaints so there would have to be some way to confirm the identity of the person making the complaint.

Or Fundo's approach could be used, but it would only be as good as the the person chronicaling misbehavior.

Does the industry use a standardized actor/independant contractor contract for talent who are shooting a scene? I imagine such a form would help resolve some non-payment issues.

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The other alternative would be to treat it simply as another internet board to be moderated. Then you would look at people either running this board or its counterparts in the industry (this would be the nerd solution) If you took someone who has at least two years of active moderation or administration experience they would have a track record upon which they could be judged. Do they play favorites? Edit other people's posts un-necessarily? Act in an arbitrary and caprecious manner? Engage in vendettas, or do they treat posters they supervise fairly? After a couple years and many decisions, a board administrator's on-line personality becomes pretty obvious.

The problem with such a plan is who would pay for the bandwith and whether they could be expected to do such work as a volunteer. For reasons of stability it would be better to have a part time paid employee and then once again your looking at money and would need an income stream.

The alternative would be to have close to a completely unregulated board. The old index card on the public corkboard approach as one court called it. Among other problems I could see that board getting spammed into the ground pretty quickly. The low cost solution is an individually owned website owned by someone like Fundo, which is incidently more succeptable to lawsuits and crusades.

Perhaps I should ask, is AIM run as a non-profit with a board of directors, and are they able to avoid issues such as accusations of preferencial treatment?

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