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| tritone Deactivated User 1009 Posts 4/03 |  Posted - Sep 23 2009 : 6:11PMIgnorance is bliss sometimes. [Link] |
| deputyduffy Member 396 Posts 8/08 | Posted - Sep 23 2009 : 6:49PM [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Sep 23 2009 : 9:54PM Some guys would be disappointed/mad that the girl doesn't work with white male talent. That's understandable because some people view the guy doing the girl as an extention or stand-in of themselves. Some gus like to feel that it could be them doing the girl if they had the chance. They'd feel cheated that the hot girl didn't do them/white performers. Some guys would think very badly of the girl for "ruining" herself with black guys and think she's "soiled" and too disgusting to watch in a scene after she lowered herself by doing such a thing. No matter how good looking she was some guys would have distain for her and find her disgusting. [Link] |
| Digital Devil Member 34 Posts 8/09 | Posted - Sep 24 2009 : 2:36AM I always felt that the guys that felt that way about white women performing with black men had their own personal hang-ups and self-esteem issues, and that deep down inside, those guys felt that they could never really "measure up" to the "racist fear", that black men are "automatically" great lovers. So they use racism, insults, and excuses to try to hide their feelings of inferiority... Edited by - digital devil on 9/24/2009 2:37:55 AM [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Sep 24 2009 : 8:45PM [Link] |
| supa_dupa09 Deactivated User 118 Posts 6/09 | Posted - Nov 13 2009 : 12:16PM But I just found out somethin about alexis texas that does sound racist, now I wasnt calling her racist in the beginning, her decision, but I cant believe people missed that this girl was in a scene where they had a black guy dressed like a chicken, and taunt a scrawny black farmhand and force him to make animal sounds while wearing nothing more than his skivvies and a pig nose. he was made to impersonate various barnyard animals as the scantily clad ladies fed him. That is indeed racist, because NON RACIST is going to find that enoyable to watch. And I know people like to say oh what about those cuckold scenes and what not, those cuckold scenes are made for guess who, CUCKOLDS!!... There are couples who do that in real life. I never heard of a perversion like that that would be liked by a nonracist. Never heard of black men who does that in real life for white people unless they are sellouts. Everybody who participated in that scene is racist and the brotha who agreed to act like that is a sellout. People got to understand how racist females work, they are not racist the way men are, the way a female is racist is by playing black men like dummies and making them look like fools, case in point that scene. [Link] |
Hardware  All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Nov 13 2009 : 12:31PM I suppose you can blame the gals for going along with the racist gag, but we can't all be the sharpest tool in the box. They may have figured that if it was OK with the guy then why should they complain? [Link] |
| supa_dupa09 Deactivated User 118 Posts 6/09 | Posted - Nov 13 2009 : 12:54PM [Link] |
| LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Nov 13 2009 : 12:56PM Obviously, you do. The question is...why? [Link] |
| Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Nov 13 2009 : 1:14PM Again, the female performers are acting. They are doing what the director tells them to do. That being so, I suggest that you reserve your outrage for the director, rather than blame the performers for the setup, which is what you did. [Link] |
| supa_dupa09 Deactivated User 118 Posts 6/09 | Posted - Nov 13 2009 : 2:25PM BUT I WILL SAY THIS YOU DONT EXCUSE IGNORANCE PERIOD PARTNA!! ITS CALLED GROWN UPS SHOULD KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG! My point was unless they grow up in a racist family I dont believe anybody would be that ignorant to what is racist and not. And I did say everybody involved, if you were listening. And you wouldnt see a scene like in the beginning of that movie in a non xxx movie because it would indeed be racist and called out on it, so acting my ass. And lets leave children out of this you dont know me to say something mentioning children to me especially what you just said about it. And its not outrage its telling it like it is, its racist point blank. Edited by - supa_dupa09 on 11/13/2009 2:33:44 PM Edited by - supa_dupa09 on 11/13/2009 2:35:38 PM Edited by - supa_dupa09 on 11/13/2009 2:37:01 PM [Link] |
| Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Nov 13 2009 : 3:25PM Now, as to the rest of your rant, as it seems I must dot all of my I's and cross all of my T's: People are not born racists. People must be taught to be racists. Here are two questions for your consideration (I will provide my answers in advance): If somebody who has not been taught racism is presented with a situation which can be interpreted as racist and demeaning, or interpreted as goofy and absurd, can we know for certain that they will understand it is racist and demeaning? You apparently think that we can, while I hold that we cannot. What if the person who is supposedly the object of this racism doesn't appear at all concerned about it? Should this indicate that it really is not a racist situation after all? My answer is that if we lack an understanding of racist behavior and propaganda then we just don't know, so we are likely to go along with whatever everybody else seems OK with doing. I concede that we would be unlikely to see a scene like you have described outside of porn, but as porn is transgressive to begin with, that in itself is not the red flag that we would both like to assume it is. [Link] |
| supa_dupa09 Deactivated User 118 Posts 6/09 | Posted - Nov 13 2009 : 4:25PM Just because a black man agrees to do a racist act doesnt mean its not a racist act, it just means he is the racist white man's bitch(harsh but true.) If Bill O'Reilley calls someone on his staff his housenigger and that black person answers to it with no problem doesnt mean its not racist. So it's still an uneducated mind, and shouldnt be excused if that person think that if a black person said or act as if it were okay, then it must be okay. Especially in America, because in america especially now days whoever doesnt know whats racist and whats not have to be dumb. And last time I check they say Miss Alexis Texas is a smart woman. I most definetley dont believe a smart person wouldnt know what is racist or not. [Link] |
| Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Nov 13 2009 : 4:46PM "I dont believe no one is that clueless on racism, unless racist themselves or they are stupid." Has it ever occurred to you that half of the population is below average intelligence? Think about it. I don't know if you've personally experience discrimination or not. If you have, I can well understand the anger it must engender. However, I would still counsel you to charity, as believing the worst of people tends to get you the worst in people. [Link] |
| Nimrod Member 624 Posts 7/09 | Posted - Nov 13 2009 : 5:37PM [Link] |
| supa_dupa09 Deactivated User 118 Posts 6/09 | Posted - Nov 13 2009 : 7:06PM Oh and Worst of and Worst in comment. Thats like saying Im not a murderer I just kill people. You see thats only a relevant saying if the conclusion differentiates the worst. Thats only a relevant saying if trends are non existant. [Link] |
| Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Nov 13 2009 : 7:08PM [Link] |
| supa_dupa09 Deactivated User 118 Posts 6/09 | Posted - Nov 13 2009 : 7:27PM [Link] |
| Young Herschel Deactivated User 404 Posts 10/09 | Posted - Nov 13 2009 : 7:42PM As for the aspect of being paid more for IR . . . hey get what the market standard is as any decent lawyer/agent would advise. I would think no less of Sadie West, Sarah Vandella or Shawnee Lenee for negoiating thier fees at the going rate of IR . . . the market should determine the fee for IR . . it is called capitalism. This is part of the reason I have a hard time with Alexis Texas . . . when she will do IR with Marie Luv for Justin Slayer International one has to wonder when she will shoot a scene with Nat Turner or HJ himself. This is a bu$ine$$. If and when Kristina Rose does IR hr agent will request, no demand the same industry standard, maybe more and he would be negligent if he did not. [Link] |
| CHI - BEAR 85 Deactivated User 225 Posts 9/08 | Posted - Nov 14 2009 : 2:36AM Only you, Mr.Pete can make this happen, convince her to do so. It will make her career expand much further. It makes no sense for a women regardless of color with a big ass like that can't be touch by black males who love the big booty. [Link] |
| deputyduffy Member 396 Posts 8/08 | Posted - Nov 14 2009 : 3:10AM [Link] |
| Nimrod Member 624 Posts 7/09 | Posted - Nov 14 2009 : 9:37AM [Link] |
| Slaughtersun Deactivated User 825 Posts 8/08 | Posted - Nov 14 2009 : 10:49AM Oh, yah well, CHI - BEAR 85 is a douche and the Bears have always sucked the biggest balls...  [Link] |
| Tobias Deactivated User 475 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Nov 15 2009 : 2:27PM [Link] |
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| Bluto Deactivated User 511 Posts 3/09 | Posted - Dec 21 2009 : 7:26PM [Link] |
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| taylor_swift_tasty_feet Member 367 Posts 1/10 | Posted - Feb 20 2010 : 10:40AM OK.I'm 100% lost here. I don't get what you mean if his wife had been white(?) Are you saying it would have been easier or harder for him to get elected? WHY ? Look,I know some will think my questions are dumb and I know I'm NOT the smartest man around but I learned from a very young age the best way to gain knowledge is to ask.So,I'm asking. [Link] |
| torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00 | Posted - Feb 20 2010 : 11:44AM [Link] |
| Ida Lupino Deactivated User 429 Posts 11/08 | Posted - Mar 28 2010 : 11:02AM [Link] |
| dnice Member 798 Posts 12/09 | Posted - Mar 28 2010 : 11:55AM [Link] |
| Zaer Deactivated User 249 Posts 10/07 | Posted - Mar 29 2010 : 6:04AM Edited by - Zaer on 3/29/2010 7:32:15 AM [Link] |
| jni1973 Deactivated User 81 Posts 8/09 | Posted - Mar 30 2010 : 3:08PM [Link] |
| jni1973 Deactivated User 81 Posts 8/09 | Posted - Mar 30 2010 : 3:20PM Edited by - jni1973 on 3/30/2010 3:23:07 PM [Link] |
| torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00 | Posted - Mar 30 2010 : 8:32PM [Link] |
| Consumption Junction Member 32 Posts 4/10 | Posted - Apr 2 2010 : 8:10AM These are all unpleasant and unfortunate, but perhaps after reading these you may have a little more sympathy for the models and their position. 1. One model told me she estimates that about 1/2 of production companies do IR. The other 1/2 do not. This makes 2 camps where one producer calls the girl a racist for not doing IR and the non-IR producer may actually ask the model if they do IR when they meet on a go-see. Several models have told me their response of 'no' was met with a 'good, I wouldn't have hired you otherwise'. That is terrible, and not just for the blatant racism. Because that model does not know what the next producer will think when he asks her that question. Basically models are going to constantly worry that they could lose the interest of 1/2 of the producers that are shooting. That is a scary prospect. 2. Some models do not find black men attractive. Plain and simple. Just like some models won't do 'old/young' or 'BBW' because they don't find elderly men or fat people attractive. The degree to which they are not attracted is subject to their tastes and could even be more akin to revulsion. Some models are willing or able to overcome their qualms with an increased pay incentive, others are not. 3. Some models refuse to do IR because many IR films perpetuate racial and other disrespectful stereotypes that they do not want to be a part of. They don't want to yell on camera "fuck me with your big nigger cock" and be called a "nasty white bitch". All who are unfamiliar with the industry need to understand that this cannot be remedied simply by stating that they have an issue with such overtones or dialogue. Producers, agents, and talent don't have pow-wows and lengthy discussions for each shoot. Most times the model only knows that it is a BG shoot before they show up on location. That would be an enormous waste of everyone's time and money if a shoot was cancelled last minute like that. Many models know that once they do a regular IR then that door cannot be closed again, and they will at some point be confronted with that situation. From what I can tell, the models have coals put to their feet by the IR and non-IR producers alike. Many girls who are not really big names that do IR end up with IR their only option, as if they have crossed some line of progression that travels only one way. At the end of the day, for whatever reason a model does not enjoy or do an act, if they are to be convinced there is only one appropriate way to convince them - money. After all, this is a business transaction. Guilt tripping or lecturing a person because they have feelings that run counter to your motivations, business or otherwise, is just not appropriate. it's downright rude. Just because you want something does not entitle you to assert that someone's values or feelings are invalid or unimportant. They sure as hell are to that person. Everyone should respect that, especially in an industry where feelings are very hard to protect. We are talking about people taking their clothes off and performing sex acts, often with and in front of strangers, and with a camera recording it all. It should be easy to imagine how vulnerable and laid bare one would already feel. To challenge models on their personal convictions is so much more invasive and insulting in this context. All too often people in the industry behave with complete disregard for models and their feelings, as if they don't have the right to set boundaries according to their own standards. So cut the models some slack. You can't just say one is a racist for not doing IR. The situation is obviously complicated, many times through no fault of the models taking the heat. [Link] |
| airborne82 Deactivated User 190 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Apr 2 2010 : 1:25PM America is quickly becoming more sexually liberal and open-minded. The days of trying to satisfy Sarah Palin's red-state America are over. In addition, America's demographics are also quickly shifting in this nation. Millions of pot-smoking 18-19 year-olds who support Obama at the 90% range are coming of age (w/ future credit cards,) and will never see race in a narrow prism as those alledged racist production companies that you cited. They will reject and bankrupt these racist porn companies in the next few years. And those companies who desperately try to please the shrinking red-state America base will become extinct, and so will the girls who appeal to that smaller segment of society. One has to look no further than Esperanza Gomez, whose first ever scene was ir, w/ Justin Slayer. She immediately shot up to #3 on freeones, and is currently ranked #1 on Banbros. Girls like Esperanza & Tori are America's porn future, b/c they are instant bank, and are universally beloved. And as you said, "its a business." And those companies who put profits ahead of racist politics will stay in business. And those who try to make KKK/Neo-Nazi racist political porn statements w/ who they hire, will go out of business. It's capitalism in its purest form... Finally, I agree with you about labeling an actress a racist who does not do ir. Being from Mississippi, many people automatically assume that I am racist and i'm not. (Not anymore!) The pornstar's decisions are complex and does not necessary include racist beliefs, although it secretly could! Fortunately, from what I've been reading on forums and youtube channels lately, the days of accusing a non-ir pornstar of being racist are dwindling and almost non-existent. Yes, the older stars like Audrey and Vicki have gotten it, but the newer big name stars like Kagney, never get accused of being a racist. Those days are nearly over! P.S. I should add, that my experience was only Miami based. So L.A. might be different. Not trying to diss you... Edited by - airborne82 on 4/2/2010 1:29:42 PM Edited by - airborne82 on 4/3/2010 2:08:24 AM Edited by - airborne82 on 4/6/2010 9:27:05 PM [Link] |
| Consumption Junction Member 32 Posts 4/10 | Posted - Apr 2 2010 : 2:03PM The main point I was trying to make, and which you agreed with, is that models aren't automatically racist for not doing IR. They are just trying to make a living. Yes, big name girls can do IR and not suffer. But middle-of-the road or beginning talent may perceive it as a serious risk to future success or options. This is not their fault, but the fault of those in who perpetuate that stigma. And of course I think that people should have a little more respect for a model's limits. Limits are pretty personal, and the nature of the work itself is already personal enough. Any kind of pressure or ridicule, especially on set, comes across as really sleazy, ya know? I mean, she's got her clothes off doing god knows what already, and now someone is going to cajole and prod her to do even more? That's just not cool. And it happens a lot. And it upsets the models and affects the way they view their work. [Link] |
| airborne82 Deactivated User 190 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Apr 2 2010 : 4:21PM But I do agree w/ you about pressuring the girls in the industry. And from that statement, I know that you are around girls in the bizz. The way they get clobbered about anal, ir, dp, rimming, double this, double that, has gotten animalistic. And you're right, it does affect the way girls look at porn. And has driven many kind-hearted girls completely out of forums and off of porn sets. LOL, I think we have both seen the same tears from girls and have gotten sick and tired of it. And I think more and more guys who are aware of this ugly pressuring will start to chill out a little bit. As it has gotten to an unbearable point for the girls, who try hard to keep their fans happy with them. But from a strictly ir standpoint, I think the debate has greatly subsided. Jena, Tori, and the gang are pumping out so much ir, that it would take two lifetimes for their fans to jack off to! Hence, the complete indifference for Kristina's ir. And the big yawn when Kagney announced her ir plans. Tori, Jena, and Lisa have completely shifted the ir game these last 2-3 months. And I just dont think it's a big issue as it used to be, even as a little as a few months ago. Today on freeones, the top 5 pornstars the last 90 days all put out ir. The top 5 in the nation. Think about that one... Technology, like youtube, twitter, and live webcams have allowed porn fans to actually get to know these girls. Todays porn fans have invested emotionally into their favorite girl. Day by day, porn fans are breaking off into huge armies for Jena, Sasha, Lisa, and Tori. And they aint coming out for another pornstar. EVER... The 21st century porn fan is not giving a shit what another porngirl will do, or is gonna do, or hasn't done. And its gotten to the point that a fan doesn't have time, nor the energy, to invest in another pornstar. This time next year ir debates and pressure will be nil... Cheers mate, P.S. My personal belief; if you want a porn star that does anal, ir, dp, rimming, double fisting, pissing, scat, or whatever, then go find that one, rather than beating up one just to please you. There are plenty of girls doing all kind of different genres, take your pick and move on... Edited by - airborne82 on 4/2/2010 6:21:27 PM [Link] |
| airborne82 Deactivated User 190 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Apr 2 2010 : 4:24PM [Link] |
| lenecplusultra Deactivated User L'enfer, c'est les autres 59 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Apr 3 2010 : 1:56PM My personal belief; if you want a porn star that does anal, ir, dp, rimming, double fisting, pissing, scat, or whatever, then go find that one, rather than beating up one just to please you. There are plenty of girls doing all kind of different genres, take your pick and move on... It could have not been said better. I totally agree with you [Link] |
| Drom Member 79 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Apr 3 2010 : 4:54PM "Supply and demand" applies to porn as much as it does to everything else in the world. Fact is: White girls are demanded by white, black, asian, latino guys equally. Asian girls are pretty damn popular as well (I would never take a white girl over an asian one ever). Black girls are not that hot for most people. Don't believe me? Then how many porn flicks do you know that features white guy banging black chicks? 10, 20? How many vids do you know where a black guy bangs a white chick? 100s for sure. Far more black guys want to see a brother banging a white girls than vice versa, that's undisputed. Hence the paygrade. PS: Anyone out who's not a Jenna Brooks a.k.a. Bambi Bliss fan? She has to be the most beautiful black actress ever. [Link] |
| Drom Member 79 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Apr 3 2010 : 5:00PM As someone who worked and lived for 6 years in China, I can tell that Chinese people are pretty damn racist towards Chinese minorities, Indians (not Native Americans, lol) and Africans. Koreans are the worst, they consider everyone but white people inferior. We are considered to be equal. [Link] |
| lenecplusultra Deactivated User L'enfer, c'est les autres 59 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Apr 4 2010 : 11:39AM The way I see it is pretty simple, let's assume there are 10000 white girls that do porn and 30% do IR, that's still 3000 women. So many women to whack off to. For every dodger, there probably is a girl that kind of looks like her that does IR. Ashlynn Brooke says she will never sleep with any black man, well Bree Olsen more than makes for her. I have so little time to watch girls like Brooke Banner, Tori black, Juelz Ventura, Andy San Dimas... that I really don't have time to go beg Carmella Bing for a scene with a black guy. As a black man I like to watch women who like to fuck black guys, not someone that does it because they got tired of being called racist, or because they are just following the progression of their careers, or because they get offered more money to do it. The scenes usually suck. I like girls that do IR from the begining. The reason is pretty simple, when said girls started doing porn, they were told by agents, producers, directors and racist fans to stay away from black cock as a vegeterian stays away from meat, but they still said no to all those haters and fucked black guys on camera the first chance they got. Their IR scenes are usually really hot. They fucked black guys despite everything they were told. They deserve our attention more than the girls that don't. These girls get death threats just because they did a scene with someone that looks like me, why in hell would I be more worried about girls who doesn't do IR rather than give my attention to someone like that. I think the easy way to suffer a lot in life is focus on what you don't have rather than what you have. I personnally choose to always focus on what I have. Life is too short. I don't like to watch girls that think that they should do any kind of sexual act possible with any kind of men before they will touch a black man. It turns me off. Since I started reading these kind of boards ( sometimes, I regret), some of my favorite scenes have become not so good any more, because I now know what it took some of the girls to do IR. I feel like, those girls do not deserve my attention. One girl I used to love until I learned the politics of porn is now a major turnoff, because she basically stopped doing IR, and made it sound on the JJ forum as if she was forced into doing it, or she just did it because she was new and did know right from wrong. Sometimes, I wish I had not started reading the forums because I learned more than I wanted to know. As far as a girl not getting much attention for a first IR scene, there are just so many young hot girls that do it from the get go that I don't know why some girls that has been chocked, slapped, dped, ganagbanged, tied up, had ten men cum on her face, had two dicks in their ass.... should get any attention because she is fucking a black man on camera for the first time. I definetely don't have time for their crap as long as I have access to scenes with Trina Michaels( the woman I have jerked off to the most). For white women getting paid more for doing IR, maybe if IR trolls would stop harrassing these girls into doing something they clearly don't wanna do, they would not be paid more for it, hell they would not do it at all, which I think is better for them and the "pure white girl" fans they are trying to keep. Edited by - lenecplusultra on 4/4/2010 11:48:48 AM Edited by - lenecplusultra on 4/4/2010 11:53:40 AM Edited by - lenecplusultra on 4/4/2010 11:57:28 AM [Link] |
| Zaer Deactivated User 249 Posts 10/07 | Posted - Apr 4 2010 : 2:29PM About Audrey, I don't think people care enough to say anything about her policy. And about Vicky Vette, well we all know her history on the issue so no one's surprised that she refuses to work with Blacks. Edited by - Zaer on 4/4/2010 2:40:42 PM [Link] |
| kaiser1one Member Dark Avatar 142 Posts 10/07 | Posted - Apr 4 2010 : 2:44PM [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Apr 4 2010 : 2:45PM Whether this all comes to pass or not remains to be seen, but that's what she has said. So, for now at least, don't put her in the category of women who refuse to work with black men. [Link] |
| andysandimas Member 248 Posts 8/09 | Posted - Apr 4 2010 : 6:20PM [Link] |
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| airborne82 Deactivated User 190 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Apr 5 2010 : 12:41AM My point was that I personally haven't seen any of the newer girls, including Kagney ever get accused of being a racist, just b/c they haven't done "ir." So basically, I was just disagreeing with Consumption Junction assertions. Nothing more, nothing less. And yes, i know Kagney is doing "ir." I wish her the best of luck w/ it. One has to wonder though, what type of sinister and quiet hate must be going on in those DMs and PMs that only the girls see. I saw where Kristina said, "Stop the hate" shortly after she announced her "ir." But I haven't seen a similiar statement from Kagney in twitter. It would seem that Kagney would get it a lot worse than Kristina. Just curious... [Link] |
| airborne82 Deactivated User 190 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Apr 5 2010 : 12:42AM Edited by - airborne82 on 4/11/2010 5:03:33 PM [Link] |
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