i mean--that you see alot of. not amateur. let' start with making a list of the guys. Peter North 8.5 Brad Armstrong (5'10!) Tom Byron Rocco 9 (he is 6'3...just got circumsized) Mike Horner (he's 6'1) Paul Thomas (he's 6'2) Dave Hardman David Christopher Don Fernando (5'8) Manual Ferrari Tony Tedeschi (5'10) Erik Everhard the hedgehog Ron Jeremy 8 inches (5'6) Herschel Savage (6'2) Stagliano TT Boy Jonathan Morgan this is just off the top of my head. will narrow down list later...some of these guys Im wondering if they're still getting up to their old schenanigans. I know for sure I'm missing a couple but can't think of them right now...going to do some research... Edited by - sugar liquor and gasoline on Sep 24 2008 Edited by - sugar liquor and gasoline on Sep 24 2008 Edited by - sugar liquor and gasoline on Sep 24 2008 Edited by - sugar liquor and gasoline on Sep 24 2008
That's probably really tough to say or judge. The camera can distort perception with up-close shots and large or small hands. Girth can really distort true length too. Plus for me, it's always tough to know who is still "active" in the industry. I have a few guesses, but don't feel this is the right place for "me" to really state them. I will say that I think there are few, if any, male performers with truly small dicks in porn. What the porn industry calls small, real people see as average. Edited by - aplus on 9/24/2008 3:23:17 PM
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Posted - Sep 24 2008 : 3:35PM
I always thought guys in porn were picked by their absence of good looks...these are beautiful women with some kinda weird looking guys...i get the fantasy of the big dick--she's so lustful and needs to be ravaged etc., but I would think someone somewhere would've tried to capitalize on normalcy...that these are attainable women--I guess that's a kind of masochism isn't it? Self loathing?
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Posted - Sep 24 2008 : 3:39PM
are you talking short height or short penis?
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Posted - Sep 24 2008 : 3:48PM
this site here says there's a correlation (http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=697621) I know with women the taller they are the shorter the vaginal canal...so we've got a lot of very tall men hooking up with some very short women...yes?
I think the porn industry needs to introduce a greater variety of dick sizes in its movies. A big dick looks good in close-ups, the way it fills and stretches out the lady's sex-holes. But in long-shots, the guy with the small dick looks better. Because he can really let it go hard-and-fast between the lady's ass-cheeks during anal sex without hurting the lady or requiring any special ass-talents from her. There is plenty of movement in close-ups, even when the penetrative sex is slow. But the gentital-to-ass sex-action is too small for the viewer to see in long shots. You need to have big, exaggerated whole-body movements in long-shots in order to convey the action and let the viewer know what's going on. A good porn movie shows lots of both close-ups and long shots. And ideally you need to have both the big and the small guy to make the lady's sex-action look spectacularly good. Edited by - Dan on 9/24/2008 3:51:08 PM
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Posted - Sep 24 2008 : 3:50PM
so I must be looking for the tallest man in porn with the shortest penis....hmmm...
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Posted - Sep 24 2008 : 3:54PM
How far is too for to go up the gastrointestinal system (in general?) not finding it easily on google... just found this: "Speaking roughly, an object of just less than ten centimentres across is only just going to fit up your ass, a little more if you're lucky" Seems like anything over normal size you run a greater risk of perforation/tearing...and you can do it even with normal size... You know we never hear from adult performers who do anal about ass tragedy. Edited by - sugar liquor and gasoline on 9/24/2008 3:55:27 PM Edited by - sugar liquor and gasoline on 9/24/2008 4:36:06 PM Edited by - sugar liquor and gasoline on 9/24/2008 4:47:31 PM
I'm fairly sure a lot of the guys you mentioned are no longer performing. Guys like R. Bolla, Paul Thomas, and Harry Reems probably haven't performed onscreen in like 20 years. I think guys with more "normal-sized" cocks tend to lend themselves to feature films these days, although all seem to dabble in all genre's.
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Posted - Sep 24 2008 : 4:27PM
yeah I fixed that (see top new edited post) can you think up any more guys that you see in porn alot these days that I could look up? I totally see what you mean about most normal guys being in features and the crossover...gonzo is more popular these days. No one has money anymore. Edited by - sugar liquor and gasoline on 9/24/2008 4:28:40 PM
I think it probably has more to do with simply aesthetics then anything else. Just maybe easier to film and show those gyno-shots. Maybe the idea being with features that women not wanting to see all that, whereas with gonzo men wanting to for no reason I understand. Not sure really if I'm right or sure in general.
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Posted - Sep 24 2008 : 5:54PM
did women ever really want to watch porn? really? ever?
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Posted - Sep 24 2008 : 6:00PM
I have two questions: 1- Is English your native language? 2- How old are you? Just asking, because I don't feel like making the effort to figure out what you're talking about or why.
You know, I'm starting to wonder if your right Tricia. So far it doesn't appear to be much to why you asked your original question OP, and I'm starting to wonder if it was a serious question?
I agree...I'm not quite sure what the OP is asking, either. Was he referring to penises when he said "dick" or is that just his generic term for a guy? Never mind the 17 edits or so he's done in his posts. I wonder if someone made it past a gate keeper. Or if he just is that off kilter? "I am disinclined to acquiesce to your request. Means 'no.' " ~ Captain Barbossa in Pirates of the Caribbean
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Posted - Sep 24 2008 : 7:10PM
1. Yes, I am this awful at relating words and ideas and spend most of my time speaking through manic gestures. 2. I'm 30. I look young because I take care of myself.* *careful editing means I'm not mugging up your whole computer.
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Then perhaps a MESSAGE BOARD, you know, a place where relating your ideas with words is sort of a prerequisite, is the wrong place for you. In fact, that's the ENTIRE PURPOSE of a forum, it's sole reason for EXISTING.The funny part is no one's calling your age into question because of your LOOKS.Did you ever stop to notice that when you DO edit a post, you can edit out the line that says you edited it? That way we don't have to see 12 lines that all say "Edited by - sugar liquor and gasoline." Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 9/24/2008 7:19:29 PM
Most gonzo porn companies use guys with bigger than average cocks simply cuz hot chicks look good taking them on. While it may be uncomfortable for some of the girls most of them do the scene anyways. I myself don't wanna see guys with little weenies trying to satisfy a gorgeous babe but I'm sure others would. If that's the case, Ed Powers and Max Hardcore may be what you're looking for. BTW, there is an old thread dedicated to small dicks in porn around here somewhere... Edited by - Asmodeus on 9/24/2008 8:03:43 PM
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Posted - Sep 24 2008 : 8:08PM
My problem w/ max hc and ed powers is that they're gonzo.
Is that it? So by that rationale, I assume you think that a hot chick would cease to be hot "taking on" an average-sized dick? Bigger pricks don't simply look better on camera? Or maybe the camera just makes them look bigger? Or maybe extremely tiny girls like the majority of the women in porn just make them look bigger than they really are... OR maybe, just MAYBE "most gonzo porn companies use guys with bigger than average cocks simply cuz" porn is about FANTASY and seeing the extremes...hard sex, big dicks, big tits, huge asses, etc. In porn, more often than not, bigger is better. Amost no one watches porn to see "average" anything. Male genetalia is no exception. [Link]
Tell that to the ones who actually wanna see little peckers in porn. But seriously, all my fave porn studs are pretty well-hung, be it if they're white or black. Take for example Mark Wood. Sure, he's not a prettyboy by any means but he does have the right equipment to get the job done and all the babes love working with him so it's all good. Then there's Manuel Ferrara. Yes, he looks like a male model but he's also hung like a horse and fucks like a rabbit. In other words, there's plenty of guys to be envious of in porn. Edited by - Asmodeus on 9/24/2008 8:53:40 PM
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Posted - Sep 24 2008 : 8:15PM
um...you do know cj that amateur porn is still the biggest market? and it's an audience that feature porn films aren't trying to please much (again--no max hc's/ed powers in the newest Wicked/NinnWorx what have you features)
I take it you like pushing the envelope? Just a hunch. For some, I think they'd rather watch professionals then amateurs. I've yet to see a true amateur film give me Evil Angel like productions values, but then again I don't watch much amateur porn. I usually don't find the chicks as hot either. Now if that's has changed or is changing, I'm game for it. Can't speak for Ninnworx, since I don't follow them at all, but I've seen more than a few "not-huge" guys in Wicked films to know they get hired sometimes.
First, provide me some proof that "amateur porn is the biggest market." Two: it's an audience that feature porn films aren't aiming to please? How would they? The companies that make features obviously aren't using amateurs. How or why would they target that demographic? I, for one, have never heard of an "amateur feature." (wouldn't a 'feature'-type environment totally negate the entire feel that a fan of 'amateur' entertaiment was looking for?) I've seen plenty, sure, but they were by big companies and weren't intended to be truly "amateur"...even if a lot of things about them were In short, you make no sense. Maybe you should start YouTube'ing all your responses so we can see those manic hand gestures you speak of because you're posts just aren't getting your point across. If you ever have one. [Link]
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Posted - Sep 24 2008 : 9:15PM
"amateur porn is the biggest market" This is a direct quote from a Larry Flynt interview that was on Dateline NBC a few years ago. Wish I could find it on youtube. I feel that your posts make no sense either. Me--I disconnect from you. In the old days, before VCX before Metro, before all the big companies, all porn was amateur porn, and I defy you to not think of Debbie Does Dallas or 3 AM or Pizza Girls or what have you as both amateur and a feature. They were poorly made with awful budgets in which no one got paid and they were still miles and miles better than the crap that gets called "features" today. In becomming a "commodity", the vision is lost, just like our "sell out" music industry. Edited by - sugar liquor and gasoline on 9/24/2008 9:30:07 PM
I think I remember hearing Larry say that. Not that I question his knowledge given it's his life, but I certainly saw no concrete proof when he said it, and damn sure don't see any proof now. I have heard the industry is in a slump, but I see no proof that amateur porn has overtaken mainstream porn. I'll believe the proof if I see though. Didn't know you were gonna edit your post, I guess I gotta edit mine too. I mostly certainly don't believe Debbie Does Dallas was an amateur film. I suppose I saw 3 AM as maybe an independent type film, but both were feature films none-the-less IMO. A lot of mainstream film actors do films and don't get paid much for them or at all, and yet their films are still considered feature films. If it has running dialog in story form, it's a feature film IMO. Edited by - aplus on 9/24/2008 9:36:58 PM Edited by - aplus on 9/24/2008 9:38:17 PM
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Posted - Sep 24 2008 : 9:41PM
^ If that is the criteria being used, then the terms "amateur" and "gonzo" have been hopelessly conflated in this discussion.
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Posted - Sep 24 2008 : 10:03PM
gonzo is and is not amateur porn--both are pretty extreme, except with gonzo you're looking for stereotypes in people rather than stereotypes in action, and in amateur you're looking for stereotypes in action rather than stereotypes of people. In amateur porn lately I usually see a male/female couple with not alot of what I would call the "hollywood of now"'s standard of beauty hooking it up with chemistry. I see belly fat, hair in weird places, veins, wrinkles, the whole ball of wax and I think I appreciate amateur porn more because of that--it could be the next door neighbor or the girl at the bus stop. Gonzo porn is to me more of what CJ said--fake huge tits, men with pecs and bulges, good hair and teeth, big dicks--and what they do in sex is not normal...I might see a fisting sequence or some s&m/dom/sub, some watersports, etc. Gonzo today is more like what amateur used to be. In the old days nobody thought: "I better not film this rape scene because the government might decide to pass new censure/people might not buy it"--they just did it. I think gonzo could be even better if it was gonzo action with a plot like a feature and there was no aesthetic appeal--don't put pretty people in every scene.
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Posted - Sep 25 2008 : 3:00AM
If you mean that the 70s feature performers were amateurs in the original sense of the word as someone who engages in a pastime out of love or enjoyment, then some of the performers in the 70s were amateurs. But 70s performers were all being paid and therefore would be considered professionals. The 70s features also cost far more than the features made today so I don't know what you mean by 'awful budgets.' I would also say that 3 AM is far from 'poorly made.'
How could he show you proof? I think what he's saying is there's nothing like seeing a girl giving a blowjob to Shane Diesel, Mandingo or the likes as opposed to seeing her give a blowjob to Max Hardcore.
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Posted - Sep 25 2008 : 12:27PM
The difference between an amateur and a professional is that a professional has usually done paid modeling/acting whereas the amateur may only have been in one or two movies. There are some actors/actresses in those movies that I never saw again. On the contrary, I think features made in yesteryear cost far less--there was a lot more scrounging--"i know a guy with a crane, let's do a crane shot like in Polynesiantown!" and the actors/actresses took a very small (if anything) cut. Suze Randall gave a good interview about that on "Too Naughty To Say No" Edited by - sugar liquor and gasoline on 9/25/2008 12:36:23 PM
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Why is it, that whenever someone does a poll, asking for "whomever has the best ...." that people insist upon giving 25 names or there abouts. The answer to the question is easy: Max "Weenie" Hardcore and in second place, Evan "Mr. Tera Patrick, I have a small one, but at least I'm married to Tera" Seinfeld.
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Posted - Sep 25 2008 : 4:42PM
iafd sez max hc stopped making movies in 2007 so he is out of the running. imfd sez Biohazard singer is 5'9. got a cock size for seinfeld?
When do you think some of these companies started? VCX was in existence in 1971 I believe, possibly even earlier. And in no way do I think Debbie Does Dallas, 3AM or Pizza Girls as amateur productions. As has been previously mentioned their budgets were bigger than much of what is being produced today. I'd hardly call Bob Chinn an amateur at that point in his life. Many of the cast members had been in adult movies for several years at that point.
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Posted - Sep 25 2008 : 5:31PM
Existance doesn't mean big time--they didn't really get started until the the VHS boom. I can make a videotape at home and call myself a company but I still don't really exist do I without distribution and marketing? I would say Pizza Girls, DDD, and 3AM are amateur productions--the sets are incredibly crappy, the lighting is dim and the sound is muddy! "Hey--maybe it's just my copy but..." You can't honestly take a look at those movies and say: "there's where the money went!" Was Bob Chinn doing movies for Hollywood? Noh! He did a handful before--a handful. Where's Rhonda Gallard? Where's Judith Hamilton? Vicky Lindsay? Donna Braun? Amber Rae? Jenny Cole? Debbie Lewis? Bob Chinn was an amateur working with amateurs at that point. The budgets were different, not more not less, but different. For example, in the old days if an actress came late to a shoot because she had a big coke party the night before or whatever, she didn't expect to get paid for that time. In the old days, there were no "overtime charges"--you got paid to do it right the first time. You know there are shitty accounting practices going on all over the place--it's the nature of the beast--I hope I don't have to explain that to you. Edited by - sugar liquor and gasoline on 9/25/2008 6:13:54 PM
Apparently we have very different ideas of the word amateur. I'd hardly consider Bob Chinn to be an amateur at that point. I don't believe that one has to work for "Hollywood" to be a professional. In the years prior to the year that Pizza Girls was released he had made 22 films. A big handful. Richard Pacheco, Paul Thomas, John Holmes, Candida Royalle, Laurien Dominique, Christine De Shaffer, Desiree Cousteau, John Seeman and Patricia Manning were all in Pizza Girls. I wouldn't consider them to be amateurs. Pizza Girls wasn't the greatest title to come out in 1978 but that doesn't make it an amateur production either. On at least some previous films Bob Chinn had "Hollywood" people moonlighting. Which also would make it hard for you to make the amateur claim. On to 3 AM. You are seriously going to call Robert McCallum an amateur? Even though he was working in Hollywood as a cinematographer since 1966? And the film starred Georgina Spelvin, Clair Dia and Sharon Thorpe. None I would call amateurs. I think that you are confusing the fact that some people only make a film or two with calling entire productions amateur. Debbie Does Dallas, a title where we actually have a director who made a handful of films but features a massive cast of adult actors and actresses that I wouldn't consider amateur. You might have a better chance of calling some of the East Coast early seventies one day wonder feature films amateur as some of those had many actresses and actors that only did a picture or two. And some of the directors from then have stated they didn't know what they were doing when they started. But that only goes for some of them. And there was distribution of titles back then. They played in places called theaters. The mob was into the distribution of adult titles, so obviously there was money involved. And what makes you think that the people showing up late on coke didn't expect to get paid? Do you honestly think the industry was drug free then? I'd like to see where it is written as fact and not just something you thought up. Also, I'd like to see what you could do if you took a film camera and attempted to put together a feature film using the equipment and locations used in the seventies. Especially since they couldn't get caught doing the outdoors material.
And your first post makes no sense. I assume you are talking about dick size but for half the people you have listed a height for them instead. If you are trying to indicate that height has to do with dick size you might as well use their hand size as well as the results will be just as accurate. Which is to say, not very.
Oh and I failed to mention, the VHS boom that you talk about allowed more people who were amateurs to start making adult movies, not the other way around.
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