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Great Topic. i think the reason is that society has changed. I am now 60. When I was young porn was hard to get and to get a girl to watch it with you was near impossible. Blow Jobs were also hard to get in those days and as for anal sex ! (that was very taboo) Nowadays it seems that young girls 16 and up know all about sex and pron from their friends, tv and girls magazines. I have had a few young girls round to "entertain me" and they often ask if I have got any porn to watch ! So to me its no great surprise that many young girls get into porn. Fame, Attention, Money, Fun, boyfriends pressure ?
Things have definitely changed since the rise of the internet, when I was young (44 now) it was hard to get a hold of porn. I had my older brothers stash of hustler mags to provide me my sex education thankfully, but other than that you had to find cool store clerks who would sell them to you. With the rise of the internet it became easy for anyone to get porn right in their house, and kids were hot on it from the get go. You have to remember that 18 year olds today were just 4 or 5 years old when the internet started getting hot, in 1995 I went and did some consulting for a county school board in a rural Florida county just getting all the schools tied into the internet. My first job was at a middle school with like 10 - 13 year olds, I got two computers hooked up to the internet there. One in the principals office and the other in a classroom, the next day I came back and they asked me how to delete bookmarks in Netscape. The kids had bookmarked penthouse, playboy and other porn sites in the browser! The other side is with the internet now almost anyone can be a superstar, young girls as soon as they are able are making pages on the social networking sites and posting pics of them posing like their favorite models or dancers. And dirty old men eat it up and praise them constantly about how beautiful they are, and encouraging them to drop their inhibitions and show the world what they got. This also feeds the girls drive for attention and encourages exhibitionist behavior, and for girls who have a sad home life this can provide a certain about of satisfaction. Just go to youtube anytime and you can find teenage girls shaking their booties to the latest rap songs. Guys often dream about being a star in music or professional sports, females dream about being models, actresses, or music stars. And the dream is about the lifestyle as well as the money. Finally we come to the money, yes girls most likely take the final plunge into porn for the cash. When you are eighteen and come from a poor family getting cash can be quite an ordeal. For women becoming a stripper or a porn star is an easy way to get their hands on lots of cash, guys on the other hand usually have to deal drugs or pursue other illegal activities to get that kind of money at that age. Now we have had Anna Nicole Smith and Hugh Hefner and his Girls Next Door letting girls know that dating older men is also a viable option for them, I have noticed that young girls today are very open to dating guys who are twice their age. My last girlfriend was half my age at 22 and she had no problem with it, hell I was older than her mother! Some of my right winger friends view all this as signs of the upcoming downfall of society, and they could very well be right. But I'm gonna enjoy the ride while I can!
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Apr 5 2010 : 10:28AM
It may be something for those in this thread and elsewhere, who derogate these girls and their motives for being in this business, that a fair percentage of them are in school while they are performers or are planning to use their earnings for higher education. It's a hell of a better way to get money for college than waiting tables. That said, many of these 'cumwhores' and low class 'in it for the money' girls may someday soon save your life in an emergency room or secure your comfortable retirement with their financial acumen or write the book that changes your life.
Here's a question that has always been on my mind... How come some girls, especially 18-22 age range, are always one and done in the porn business? You know, they're in it for one month up to one year and then they disappear. If it was the money, the fame and the attention wouldn't they stick a little longer to build up their resume? They can't really live the rest of their lives on a one-month work worth of porn. I love seeing fresh faces but then always get disappointed finding out they already left the business.
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Apr 5 2010 : 10:48AM
Here again, I would guess the reasons are all over the map, but I can think of two that I'm sure occur to everyone. They find it to be not quite the easy thing they thought it would be, or they get into it with the intention of only doing it once or twice to have the experience. Sheer impulsiveness is a powerful motive in the young.
Where do you get the info that a "fair percentage" of them are doing as you describe? I've read the exact opposite, that in fact only a very small percentage are wisely saving the money and applying it to higher education.
Good point. I wonder about that too. I could understand if they were getting $1M for that scene or handful of scenes they do, but I don't believe that's the case. How much could they possibly be getting for a scene? Is this a guarded secret? Are there published salary ranges available for the purposes of this discussion? Regardless though, to me the risk seems very high. Employers these days screen applicants based on facebook profiles and google searches and I've seen a number of talk shows focusing on this very issue. Young people can lose a future job over this sort of thing. Political scandals have developed over less than this. So it would seem to me that recording your face in a porn would be a permanent skeleton-in-closet just waiting to be discovered at any time in life. I realize 18 year olds may not care but is the risk not real? Has any porn performer ever suffered this type of scandal later in life when their previous life was discovered?
I don't know. There are plenty of women who get into porn confident that their parents, friends, boyfriends, teachers, etc., won't find out. If they're so naive as to think that, I doubt they're considering what they'll tell a future employer. (To reply to a post a few up from here, one reason some do come and go so quickly is that they misunderestimated their ability to hide their choice from people in their "real lives," or they misunderestimated the severity of the blowback from family and friends. I think we saw something like that not too long ago here, before she even shot a scene.) If you want a deniable, sexually oriented job that pays decent money, try escorting or stripping. (This isn't the place to argue the morality or the merits; suffice it to say that it's quite possible to severely mitigate the risks associated with prostitution.) It's a lot easier to deny that the girl in the ad with her face blurred is you than it is when you're permanently memorialized on the cover of "I Was a Teenage Cumsucker, Vol. 47."
The consensus here seems to be that the reason young girls do porn is solely for money, i.e., they are nothing but whores. Is that how some of you really feel about the young women who perform for YOUR pleasure and who give you so much pleasure? They're nothing but whores? This perspective seems to me something left over from another generation. No one is going to be able to figure out why 18 and 19 year old girls do ANYTHING, let alone porn. They're complex creatures. I'm just happy that they do.
Sex is not taboo like it once was. The world is becoming quite liberal in what behavior it accepts. That has pushed adult content more mainstream than fringe as it once was. And it's starting a LOT earlier for kids - having a lot more partners in high school. It's no longer the "big deal" it once was I imagine. Fast forward to graduation. I'm in adult. I'm going to celebrate my sexuality and broadcast it for all to see. Look at me - give me attention! :) So I think it boils down to, in this order: 1) Sexuality is no longer a taboo subject - in fact it is to be celebrated and bragged about. 2) Attention 3) Money
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Posted - Apr 6 2010 : 2:37PM
Exactly! What you say and they fact they get into porn after seeing the finished product, not what goes into making the product. An easy comparison would be; we all like hamburgers and other fine meat products, but we really don't want to have anything to do with turning the cow into the steak after our initial visit to the slaughterhouse. Also, I'm sure there is a disillusion that sets in when they aren't a big star; ala Jenna, Tera, etc after only making a few releases.
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Rosco Fuji Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 6 2010 : 2:38PM
Discussions about this happen semi regularly on this site.
Here's a twist on the question for the producers. How many times across your career have you come across a girl trying to get into Porn 'claiming' she's 18 or 19 and you find out she isn't legal (before you've done any shooting) and you've how to tell them to nick off? Example might be, they've refused to produce ID - meaning no ID no shoot. Has that situation ever happened? There's a case in Australia at the moment where I believe it was a girl with fake ID and later after the shoot they've discovered that she was not legal.
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Apr 7 2010 : 10:02AM
Producer Mike South, I think in this thread has talked about attempts to entrap him into using underage girls, and that they always fail. After Traci Lords, any porn producer would, I think, have to be a certifiable lunatic not to verify a girl's age in every way possible.
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Apr 12 2010 : 12:23PM
"Fair percentage" like "very small percentage" are inexact phrases that in both cases reflect nothing but the significance you and I place on the fact we both acknowledge that some porn actresses use their earnings for an education. You apparently wish to downplay that these girls are just like the rest of us with various reasons -- some quite altruistic and dignified -- for doing what they do. I wish to emphasize that what girls in porn do for their money does not degrade them or make them inferior to anybody else. Hence the different descriptors for the same actual number.
Well, All I say is fair play to them..i think it's fantastic.....bring um young....luvin like spring chickens
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Posted - Apr 15 2010 : 8:46PM
It's tough to say whether a significant amount of girls save their money for education or not but a good friend of mine whom you may know as the legendary hedgehog told me that very few girls in porn have a good education. I'll take his word over anyone else's. You can't blame them though. Why get an education when you can get paid to be a slut?
Because a person's body won't stay awesome for the rest of their life. Once the contracts dry up, then what? Might be a lot tougher to get an expensive university education when you've gone through some life changes, perhaps by then there is a kid or two in the picture. I know some do it but porn is hardly a lifelong career with a good pension plan waiting for you at the end. Seems very short term but your face is forever on tape and can come out of the closet anytime after you've moved on in life. Think of some of the sex picture/tape scandals we've seen in the past.
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Posted - Apr 15 2010 : 8:58PM
^Good point, but again Ron Jeremy told me most pornstars never end up getting a good education so they must be getting by...
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Apr 16 2010 : 8:35AM
There! You told everybody you know Ron Jeremy, and we're all impressed and junk. Feel better now? Yeah, they get by, like Marilyn Chambers got by untill dying alone in a trailer. Ask your buddy Ron about her. At her death they were planning to do some kind of road show together.
^ Its really tough out there for even some of the young attractive girls in the industry at the moment. A number of girls have had to take on second jobs in order to survive as only getting one or two shoots a month is not sufficient to pay even their basic living expenses let alone allow them to save for anything.
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Posted - Apr 16 2010 : 5:09PM
Part of the reason is that the money is low and the turnover is high.
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Posted - Apr 16 2010 : 8:00PM
I didnt read the whole thread prolly about 2/3s of it but I never saw anyone mention the real reason. If you think that money is the ONLY reason then you don't know any more about girls than your average monkey does. its a part of the reason but money alone doesn't push many of them over the line. The naked truth is its vanity as well as money, validation that they are pretty enough, plain and simple.
Gosh, porn stars are just like your normal regular gurls..... Couldnt have said it more correctly than Mike did. ------------------------------------ ------------------------------------ This + And you have a winner!
Thanks for the interesting insight. The thing I don't get is...these girls are gorgeous. Which means that since the age of 11 they've had all sorts of boys calling the house and later in their teens becoming sexually active. These girls I am quite certain never have any shortage of male attention. I mean look at them. They're all traffic stoppers. I don't know what more validation of their beauty they can possibly expect. Isn't it enough that the boy next door has been peering through her window through her teen years?
Why ask "why"? Let's just be glad that they do, as long as they do for reasons that work for them.
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Rosco Fuji Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 16 2010 : 9:34PM
Yeah really! ^+1 As far as them looking super pretty, you've never seen them without professional hair and makeup. Check out that old Jenna special on the E! network. The showed her in the shower, not a pretty sight and completely different than the finished product.
The answer is that they are addicted to sexual pleasure. And who can blame them? We the pervy wankers out here are doing the same thing, just without the salary and the glamour.
I generally agree with this. I believe a small minority of the 18-19 year olds have the maturity and intelligence to know exactly what they are getting into, but the majority don't. Part of me believes it would be better if the minimum age to do porn going forwards was 21. I believe women in their 20's are much more likely to be a little more self-aware and adult and more aware of the repercussions about what they are doing. Having said that, have there been a a number 18 and 19 year old actresses I have loved? Sure. Edited by - hst666 on 5/28/2010 3:04:12 AM
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Posted - May 2 2012 : 5:22PM
Min age should be 21. Or a letter from parents! I'm serious! Edited by - ignatz on 5/9/2012 7:32:08 AM Edited by - ignatz on 5/18/2012 4:18:14 PM
Well as far as the money goes it's not the money but both what the perception of "big" money is to an 18 year old as well as the all American goal of obtaining maximum eearnings for minimum labor. Let's face it, someone mentioned that a girl was paid $800 for a feature. For an 18 year old that's better than two weeks pay working full time at some crappy store at the mall. We al,l know however that in real earnings that money won't but too much, unfortunately but they are young and really have no idea what it costs to live indepenently or what they can really buy as far as luxuries goes. Secondly, they really don't want to work hard. Now that may not be unique to girls in porn but they figure a few hundred dollars for a few hours work, all of which isn't too difficult. What the hell? Why not? That and like a lot of girls that age they want to have the ability to live a party lifestyle and they feel that something that is widely distrubuted and which they can wear sexy clothes and need to spend money on shoes and makeup, is exotic and exciting. As far as coming from dysfunctional families or having messed up backgrounds, I'm not so sure. There are probably girls who fit into this category but there are in every other occupation too. Not that I ever did any porn but I was escorting at 18 and I come from an ultra-normal family with a strong work ethic. I went to a four year college and finished in four years. I have a "Real" job and never did drugs or abused alcohol. In some cases it's a choice they make and could have as well made at a later time in their lives.
I don't really think it's entirely a matter of money. If they just wanted easy money, most of them are attractive enough to find a relatively well to do man to marry. I mean, really, all you really need is someone who makes enough money so you don't have to work and can buy a bunch of shoes and handbags. Right? If he makes 80K a year, that should handle that easy. Anyway, you might want to ask them. Seems most of them aren't interested in getting philosophical about it so who knows?
Traci Lords at 17 was in fact a woman because she had a fully matured woman's body that is why others in the porn industry thought she was 20 or so, although of course no one is suppose to break any laws in their state since 18 is the legal adult age but she was the one who faked her id and fooled others. ALTHOUGH the law in Canada in regards to porn IS STUPID. You have to be 21 in order to buy and watch porn when you can be 18 to suck the cocs in porn. THAT IS SO STUPID and in fact hypocritical. For fucs sake 21 year olds had that EXTREME URGE since 18 when they finally became a legal adult and the law is telling them "NO you cannot fullfill your urges because we will not allow you to buy porn of adults when you yourself became an adult with EXTREME SEXUAL NEEDS by 18". 18 to 20 year olds dont always have a sex partner with them, especially the less social, that is when they desperately need to watch porn and the STUPID canadian law is saying no? This 21 year old porn law MUST be changed in canada. Edited by - dom dome on 5/9/2012 9:52:55 AM
^ I'm sorry but Traci Lord was not a woman. What she was, was a very well developed 15 years old teenager with the sexual appetite of a much older person. The only reason she was able to get into porn is because she looked older than 15 and fooled a Government agency in issuing her a valid drivers license where it claimed she was over 18. These are the papers she gave agents and producers and why should they not trust those papers when you consider that they came from a US government agency. Of course in retrospect they probably should have dug a little deeper because some of her stories didn't make sense and they had doubts about the validity of her age. It certainly cost some of them a lot of problems that they could have avoided with some research. Are you certain about that above 18 law for watching porn? Unless the law has changed in the last few years then I clearly remember renting porn when I was 18 and I remember going to see porn in a theater at that age as well. Of course the above 18 law could be based on your province since each province decides what the legal drinking age is.
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dom dome Doug V
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Posted - May 9 2012 : 2:45PM
Well the law says 18 years is an adult but does it make sense that at PRECISELY 18 years TO THE SECOND you are an adult but 1 second or 1 day before you're a child. I'm sorry but it is humanly impossible to become an adult in 1 day especially in 1 second so this clearly proves they became an adult before 18 years due to 100% completion of puberty. Sorry, but im on nature's side on this debate.When teenagers complete puberty by 100% between the ages of 15 to 17(with a small percentage at 18 and some months)that is when they become an adult. I cannot call a 17 year old who has a 100%(YEP i said 100%)fully matured woman's body a pubescent teenager or a kid no matter how mentally immature she is, in reality shes no longer a pubescent teenager she is now a woman. EVER SEE Miss America? They feature 17 year olds who look very mature for their ages and the reason why they do is because they have completed puberty and became women. Although no misunderstandings here, everyone must still respect all laws in their state in regards to legal age and such. I think in some states in Canada its 21 to buy porn but most states its 18 i think. Edited by - dom dome on 5/9/2012 3:01:03 PM
^ By that logic, an eight-year-old who goes through puberty early (I once had a colleague whose eight-year-old daughter had this condition), is a fully mature woman at 8. I'm not saying that "maturity" is defined solely by state-of-mind (how can that be determined anyway), and I agree that laws regarding age are arbitrary and vary country by country, but it seems equally problematic to say "If their body is sexually mature, then they're fully grown and ready to fuck regardless of mental state."
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dom dome Doug V
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Posted - May 9 2012 : 3:09PM
Hahaha,no 8 year old on Earth completes puberty and has the body of an adult. Yes its very rare that puberty may BEGIN at 8,for most it begins by 11, but they are still in child frame,height and weight at that age. There are even 15 or 17 year olds who haven't FULLY(as in 100%)completed puberty yet especially with males and they are considered by nature to still be pubescent teenagers and not adults, but once puberty has been completed that is when nature says their an adult no matter how mentally immature they are. Edited by - dom dome on 5/9/2012 3:14:49 PM
My First Sex Teacher 88 - review by Captain Jack
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