I rented a dvd yesterday called Steve Holmes Perversions because I wanted to check out Ariana Jolie. She was in the first scene with Steve Holmesa and another guy. It was a great scene as the sex was really nasty and there was alot of dirty talk, which I love. It was obvious that the performers really love to fuck. However after about 15 minutes of various acts and switching of positions, I'm starting to think, when are these guys gonna bust a nut? The scene went on for another 10 minutes to the point where it got boring. I like to wait til the end of the scene to bust my own nut, but I just couldn't wait that long.
This seems to be a new trend in porn over the last few years and I don't like it. Maybe it's because I started watching porn in the 70's when sex scenes were interwoven into the story and 10 minutes was a long scene. I love watching the different positions but I lose interest when it goes on and on, even if the sex is hot.
By the way, I will definitely look for Arianna again, she is really awesome.
On the other hand (depending on which one you're using, I guess) I find lots of porn scenes too short. Just goes to show there's no pleasing everybody.
I guess it depends at what point you prefer to bust your nut.
I tend to agree that scenes are too long.
Don't remember the title, but I watched some German video where a scene was going for hour and 15 min straight. There was basically one scene in the whole video.. I thought, "DAMN, when is it gonna end."
The scenes are long so studios can get away with putting 6 scenes on a new video, stating there's two hours of video and charging $20 to $40 per new DVD.
To increase profit take the better scenes and carve them up onto a few compilation discs later on. Any scenes that aren't recycled this way can be used as bonus content for future releases.
It doesn't make me happy but it makes business sense.
I depends on the performers - good ones can make a long scene interesting, but I agree that 25 minutes is long for a scene, even with Ariana in it. I attribute it to the fact that most of these films are just back to back fuck scenes, and there's no plot or dialog to fill the time between them.
The worst was when I tried watching the Annabel Chong gangbang years back... good lord, that got dull...
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In the eighties and most of the nineties, when features ruled, the general format was five scenes, about 90 minutes. This VHS would cost $40-$60. Gonzo has always been about two hours, most have about 6 scenes, even then. Sometimes it was three long scenes.
I think that the length of scenes is about right. Many times the tease could be done (much) better and certainly longer. I still want to see more footage of Taylor Rain walking in that short skirt in Flesh Hunter 5 .
oatmeal is right on. As I understand things for producers making scens long is very inexpensive. Thus long scenes give move value or the appearance of such depending on ones perspective. Consider the 140 video it could be 8 17 minute scenes or 17 8 minute scenes (or realistically 4 35 minute scenes) many fans would prefer the later but talent cost would be lower on the former. Hopefully insiders with chime in but I think scenes are paid per scene not based on time (within reason). If the issue is scenes being longer than you want to watch you can skip parts, but if it is value you just have to accept it.
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Posted - Aug 21 2004 : 5:40PM
As a personal preference, I don't mind long scenes if they are good. If they're not good scenes - they could be 5 minutes long and they'd still be too long for me to sit through.
I don't know - I guess because a lot of times I'm having sex or giving a BJ or whatever when I'm watching porn, I like the scene to be longer, because it encourages me to go for longer too then.
If it's too long for you, that's what chapter skip is for.
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Posted - Aug 21 2004 : 5:59PM
That's why I like the cumshot editions. Usually I only need a couple of "scenes" to take care of business.
I have nothing wrong with long adult films because it just means I get more enjoyment out of them. for me it is the same as a film that isn't of the adult industry. I don't want to see a 90 minute short. I want it to be two hours or more. then again if it sucks I'm looking for whoever put the piece of crap together to get back those two hours of my life I've just losttricia I love honesty in a woman, but holy scrap!
There have been some porn scenes that I have thought were too long. I can think of times when I would yell things like "when is this going to end?" and "just cum already" at the TV.
As long as a scene is entertaining I don't think a it can be too long. I would rather see one 40 minute scene that I liked the entire scene than two 20 minute scenes where one was good and I wanted to see more and one was just plain boring.
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Posted - Aug 22 2004 : 1:48AM
Hey, sometimes I wish that my favorite scene on a dvd would take up the whole time of the disc, but I agree that the scenes of this era are just a little too long. On the other hand I watch a lot of 70's-early 80's porn too and those scenes are too short- there has to be a happy medium. Maybe somewhere between 15 - 20 minutes for most types of scenes.
I'm not sure why this should be a problem on a well authored DVD. Not only should you be able to easily determine the length of each scene, but you should have sub-chapters within each scene as well. So, I don't see why it should be difficult to make the scene as short as you want.
On the other hand, it's kind of tough to make a scene longer after it has burned onto the DVD.
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Posted - Aug 22 2004 : 3:05AM
You have a point, but there is still a shortage of well authored dvds it seems. Many I see only have chapters at the beginning of each scene. With subchaptering on all dvds you would be right and I would be much happier whilst whacking.
you initiated this thread, based on the scene with Ariana Jolie, John Strong and me in Steve Holmes' Perversions.
Believe me, if you ever have the chance to fuck Ariana Jolie, you don't want to stop after 15 minutes. My idea about gonzo is to shoot "real sex" like a reportage. You see more ore less what happened one to one. Very few is planed. Not even the double anal in this scene or the three very strong orgasms of Ariana.
I think some lead ins are too long and some interviews can be very repetitive, but the more sex the better! Tease is fun, but most of the time I want to see some cock (so I can imagine that it's mine) going in and out of a hot girls orifice.
For some reason though to me it seems that when you're watching a porn with a girl you have to start with softcore (which involves alot of storyline) in order for her not to get scared and for you to score unless she is really "bout it" then you can pop in a tape of some cowboy wreckin some girl hard in a helicopter in Rio De Janiero (hahaha that shit was dope!)
I'm a bit of a casual viewer and I try to do research before I pick up a video. Unfortunately that doesn't always work and you end up unsatisfied with the scenes (hence my reluctance to spend much money on it, and the rental inventories around here are terrible!)
Picking up a movie with more scenes is preferable just because of the odds.
I am a big fan of "best ofs". My thinking is that they are my best shot at finding more quality scenes on one disc. But then studios will include scenes totally unrelated to the spotlighted star... but that's another rant for a different thread.
Just today I've read in a review: Would like to see more of her scene. It is hot with her walking around and teasing for a good 8 minutes before she stops
Doesn't BEST OF mean "These are the only scenes our company has the rights to show you" ???
Still, I'm a regular consumer of the one-girl compilations. It is a good way to go if you're playing the odds--> 6 of the scenes might suck, but if the other 4 are good, it's like you've still at least broken even, because you achieved your goal of getting a good look at the performer. And it lessens the risk of getting a normal movie of hers and discovering to your horror that both of her scenes are fucked up because in one her hair is suffering from a nasty perm and in the orgy scene she's wearing a mask! But if you've got like 5 or more scenes of her, eventually even pornographers will get something right, you know? Plus, no dialogue is a plus.
Compared to the music industry most best of's aren't true to the name. The limitations of studio rights you mentioned is one problem and who is picking the 'best' scenes is another.
Hopefully the porn studios will get it right some day and improved sales will promote better compilations.
I really think the industry needs some standardization... not of everything, just little things like consistent reviews, better talent indexing (on the box and web sites) and fewer pseudonyms. (not asking for much eh? )
I'm hoping the "Private Life of" series is worthwhile, there's a few of those I'd like to pick up.
I respect everybody's opinion on the length of the scenes, but is it still a fact the movies are ONLY used to wank yourself to an orgasm asap? It feels more and more that I am the only one who does not masturbate while watching a porn. I get very aroused (of course!) but I like to hold that tension until I fuck my girlfriend. That way I can watch a movie without constantly waiting for the cumshot. I also watch them together with my girlfriend but then we never make it till the end, because we are already making our own scenes from early on. I do not disapprove of those who use it to get off (most people believe it is made for this) but am I the only one who doesn't use it for this?
I could not agree more! IMHO a scene without tease in nice clothes is only worth half the price. (if not less)
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Posted - Aug 23 2004 : 2:07PM
A long scene can be ok if its 1/2 interesting and is recorded well, building up to some hot steamy action. But i guess cause storylines and plots in adult movies are non existent it can get very boring indeed..
If you cant stand the wait, hit the fast forward button on your dvd remote >> :)
tell you the truth I rather see you (consistantly) clap fuck her instead of the tease
the reviewer also said, "It is too bad that Steve thinks that he has to play rough house with the gals during his scenes. It sure ruins what would have been one the highest rated DVD's of the year."
Steve, thanks for your response to the thread. If I was ever lucky enough to fuck Ariana, I'd want to do it for more than 15 minutes, although I probably couldn't last that long. (I don't how you guys do it, but that's another topic). I don't watch much gonzo so I appreciate your insight. Anytime you have performers who love hot, nasty sex you can't have a bad scene. Watching Ariana get hammered and hearing her say "I fucking love it" is a real nutbuster. Overall, it was a good scene but it's my personal preference for shorter scenes. To everyone else who responded, I appreciated your insights and opinions. This is what I love about ADT.
Some of us like to fuck for a good, LONG time. Sorry. I love longer scenes; it's more realistic. Now, if the sex is boring, the checklist is in place, and I ain't diggin' it.. then, well, shut it down, turn it off, move on ... there's plenty, believe me: PLENTY - - of better porn to be found in the next scene, next dvd, next day. *hic*