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realtip
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Posted - Jan 13 2013 : 11:52AM
I recently had a conversation with someone on Twitter that made me wonder about this. After finding out that a parody of South Park had been produced, I asked about who played the character of Cartman. I figured that they would try to get an actor who looked something like the character, i.e., overweight. But the actor who played Cartman looks like nothing like the character. I then started thinking of other male actors who could possibly have played the role of Cartman. Of course, I tried thinking of male performers who were on the heavier side. It was when I couldn't think of any that it occurred to me that there are currently no fat dudes in porn, and I could help wondering why this is the case.
We all already know why there are no fat women in porn. It's because the women are all supposed to be attractive, which means thin with big tits. But this has traditionally not been the same standard for men. I remember back when people used to say that the way the men in porn looked was unimportant because (1) the men watching don't really care what the men on-screen look like, and (2) the men watching actually prefer to see men in porn who are more average-looking because they are more able to identify with average-looking guys than some actor who looks like an Adonis. Take Ron Jeremy, for example. He has been called the most recognizable man in porn. He was the most famous and frequently used man in porn for many years, getting to fuck many of the hottest starlets of the time. But in a porn landscape full of guys who all look like they have 0% body fat, would a guy who looks like Ron Jeremy be able to find steady work in porn today?
The only man in porn who I can think of who comes close to this description might be Manuel Ferrara. Even though Manuel is not fat, he bears a closer resemblance to the average, everyday man than many of his male porn peers do. Although he's not fat, he also doesn't look like the type of guy who spends 20 hours in the gym everyday either, and has a normal amount of weight about him. He's also one of the only men in porn who actually keeps his body hair, and doesn't shave himself down like a Brazilian hooker. As I've said before, I don't know of any men outside of porn who shave or wax their body/pubic hair. This is one of those strange things that only guys in porn do. But the fact that Manuel has a normal male body shape and keeps all his body hair actually allows him to look like a regular, everyday, normal-looking man, which I think is part of his large appeal and popularity. Guys watching his movies can actually identify with him more than some muscle-bound jock whose been completely waxed from the neck down. Unlike so many other male pornstars, Manuel actually looks like a "real man," so to speak.
But for the most part, it looks like porn has abandoned the whole idea that regular-looking men with realistic body shapes can be welcome in porn. I'm not saying that porn should start casting guys who are ugly slobs and weigh 400 lbs. But it would refreshing if this generation of porn viewers had our own Ron Jeremy, or atleast a few more guys don't all look like they belong on a steroid bottle.
After all, we have plenty of skinny, scrawny dudes in porn, like Jules Jordan, James Deen, and others. But where are all the guys representing the chubby dudes? Why no more of them anymore?
rlankford
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Posted - Jan 13 2013 : 12:27PM
When was the last time you were in a gym/locker room?
As for your question, I think you answered it yourself by using Ron Jeremy as your example.
And there is a whole lot of room between Jeremy and a guy who should be on a steroid bottle. Which is where most male porn guys are.
rlankford
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And you can always go to Jurassic Cock to get your fill of Jeremy, Hershel Savage, Dirty Harry and Dick Nasty.
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Ugh. Who wants to see a hunk, a hunk of flabby lovegut?
realtip
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Posted - Jan 13 2013 : 1:29PM
^So you don't think that there are guys watching porn who have guts?
It also seems that the overall point of my post has been missed.
 
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Posted - Jan 13 2013 : 1:55PM
I guess I did just make a flippant remark. Yet, we wouldn't want to see a big gut in the way of everything POV style? I'd say porn fans generally wouldn't want the "real world" in their fantasy porn world.
Probably not, but of course Ron wasn't huge back when he started and he's got a big dick and can perform. Heavy guys like that now, maybe in non-sex roles in features and parodies like the Dad in This Sure Ain't Happy Days which is a way they coulda gone with a SP parody.
Edited by - HeyNow on 1/13/2013 1:56:13 PM
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There are "fat" women in porn. Porn is one of the only big money entertainment industries with a diversity of female body types. Or at least, more diverse than the other industries.
realtip
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Posted - Jan 13 2013 : 2:17PM
^Yes, there are plus-sized women in porn. But they are mostly restricted to the BBW niche, catering to the sector of fans who like seeing larger women. I was speaking in terms of mainstream porn, in which there aren't really any "fat" women.
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^ I actually disagree. Though, I suspect this disagreement stems from the ambiguous meaning of "fat" coupled with the example you used to address male bodies.
If we use your description of Manuel and why he is the closest thing to "fat" in porn, then I think we would agree that mainstream porn is full of these kinds of female bodies (while advertising and Hollywood rarely have these kinds of bodies): "he bears a closer resemblance to the average, everyday man... Although he's not fat, he also doesn't look like the type of guy who spends 20 hours in the gym everyday either, and has a normal amount of weight about him."
There are "impossible bodies" in porn, certainly, but aside from some of the stereotypical silicone-enhanced, peroxide blonde performers (who I suppose are the female equivalent of the steroid-enhanced, shaved and tan male), but I think there is a greater diversity of female body types than is available in other media. There can always be improvement in this regard though.
Finally, you asked about "porn" not "mainstream porn" which might even be the marginal niche at this stage. What is "mainstream porn"? I'm not sure if anything constitutes the mainstream anymore. Perhaps the mainstream is itself a cluster of niches?
Edited twice because, frankly, I butchered my explanation the first go around. :)
Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 1/13/2013 2:39:04 PM
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Why do you think guys who have guts want to see guys who have guts in their porn?
rlankford
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^ So they can fell better about themselves?
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I fail to see why that would make anybody feel better about themselves, but then, I don't mistake pornography for a representation of the real world.
rlankford
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^ you know, comfort in numbers.
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Its a good thread question. I recently posted a Ron Jeremy / Tanner Mayes scene as one of the best scenes (in my opinion). What makes it so good? I think it's that some old fat dude is getting to fuck a beautiful, young babe, and he looks all the more grateful for the experience. Ron's appreciation of Tanner makes her all the more special. Another example is this scene with 21-year old Jessyka Swan and some older,fat dude. Some of the steroid-ridden younger guys don't seem to value the parade of beautiful girls that come their way, and we appreciate the girls less as a result. So it seems that more normal guys might be better for porn all round.
draghixafan
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Because more so today you need to be an olympic athlete to jack-hammer for 30 mins and then jerk off furiously cumming exclusively on her face [:P)]
Also fail to see the fantasy in a hot girl wanting to fuck a ripped 20 something stud?
An Emma Mae lookalike cock worshipping and then her fucking a 30 something pudgy dude in a dimly lit alley way, finishing backing up hard in doggy and when he pulls out reaching back and stroking his cum all over her still rocking ass and back.. now that's a fantasy!
 
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Posted - Jan 13 2013 : 10:01PM
Yes, I agree with that. But again, being "the closest thing to fat" is not the same thing as being fat. While there are women in "mainstream" porn who have what are considered more average female bodies, especially now with this whole cougar craze of the past few years, I don't think they would necessarily fall into the general category of "fat," though they do have more weight on them than we would normally expect for a female pornstar.
Let's also keep in mind that there is a different dynamic regarding male appearance in porn as opposed to female appearance, or atleast there used to be. If this were a forum for daytime soap operas or Lifetime dramas, then I wouldn't question the absence of heavier or average-looking men because it would be obvious that those shows are catering to female audiences, hence the need for Adonis-like eye candy to attract female viewers. But we're talking about straight porn here, a genre of entertainment watched almost exclusively by men. For this reason, the "silicone-enhanced, peroxide blonde performers" you mention are expected in porn because that's the standard of female physical sexiness that men generally fantasize about. It goes without saying that men generally would rather to see living Barbie dolls in porn. But since this same standard obviously wouldn't apply to the men in porn, I'm just wondering why it strangely seem to be the case.
"Mainstream" porn is basically the standard vanilla-type porn that comprises the vast majority of the porn market, and doesn't require a niche label to distinguish it.
Why would they care either way? As I mentioned in my opening post, the whole ideology of porn used to be that men didn't care how the men on-screen looked. The male performers could be old, fat, bald, or covered in zebra stripes. It didn't matter. What mattered was how the women looked, not the men. Case in point, the immense success of men like Ron Jeremy in past years, or the current popularity of a man like Manuel Ferrara over his more ripped male peers. Considering that Ron Jeremy had, and Manuel has, what would be considered more average and typical male bodies, it's quite telling that they are also two of the most famous men in porn. So the fact that they don't look like professional bodybuilders obviously hasn't hurt them.
What I'm basically trying to figure out is how we went from not caring about how the men in porn look, to having a bunch of muscular jocks who feel the need to shave their body hair. How did this change come about? This whole shift in attitude is quite interesting, no less so than all the other ways that the porn pendulum has swung in opposite directions over the years.
Of course, there are other examples besides Ron Jeremy, such as Jean Yves LeCastel, or Mark Davis, or Omar Galanti or Pierre Woodman, or that guy who runs the PutaLocura site (don't know his name), or Dick Nasty. But guys like that are very few in the industry these days. I just find this intriguing.
Edited by - realtip on 1/13/2013 10:05:16 PM
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I wish my dick worked right, I would volunteer myself as the first overweight, balding guy in porn since at least the late 1960's. IMO the closest we have had is Dave Cummings but he is still actually quite fit for his age (he is in his 70's). Oh well, maybe Bobbi Starr will think it is sexy to inject my dick with Caverject before a scene.
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First, there are a ton of women who find Manuel attractive. And I'm not just talking about female performers. I'm talking about regular women. As a man, you don't have to be ripped to be attractive a large percentage of females. Manuel may be as well-defined muscularly as some of the other men out there, but he's considered just as attractive by many of the female population. Even Ron Jeremy, the anomaly that he is, started out as an attractive enough man to be in Playgirl magazine. It was only after he basically became one of the top male performers in the industry (if not the top performer) that he let himself go and became the person that he is now. And because of how few men were out there at the time that could perform as reliably as him (both in the sex and the acting), he was able to hang around.
Second, and it's already been mentioned, while you don't have to be muscular to be a male performer nowadays, you do have to be in pretty good shape. Scenes in the 80s and 90s used to be about 10-15 minutes, and nowadays most are pushing twice that at the minimum. Add the fact that people always want to see things harder/faster/stronger, and in more positions, and you're talking about a good deal more physical exertion than there used to be.
Third is simple math/economics. Let's say that you're right, and to the vast majority of the male porn buying audience, it doesn't matter what the guy looks like. So you can use an average looking (or fat) guy and an attractive (or ripped) guy and the same amount of men will buy it. Well, while women may not be a large part of the audience, they are still a part of it. And the women are more likely to buy the movie with the more attractive man in it than the less attractive man. So buy booking the more attractive one, you'll sell more copies to women, and it won't affect the amount you sell to men. So why wouldn't you do it, especially if the two men cost the same. You'd literally be leaving money on the table by shooting the less attractive guy.
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..and to think this thread had SO much potential,... Von S.
Geri
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Ron Jeremy wasn't fat when he started in porn. He was one hot looking dude.
Ron-Jeremy_opt.jpg
Even if the average straight guy doesn't really care what the men look like in porn it still matters what they look like and good looking men will still be favoured. Because women and gay & bisexual men are consumers of straight porn as well.
Quite a few of the top directors are women now. They almost invariably cast good looking men in their movies.
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I would imagine that even if a fat dude could keep it up as long and fuck for as long as a fit guy, there are camera angle issues at work. A dude with a fat ass, fat hips, fat thighs, fat gut is gonna obstruct the view of penetration in a lot of regular shots. Don't directors also want their male talent to be as skinny as possible (and maybe short) to create the illusion of a larger penis?

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http://www.theminion.com/tour/
I think it's because a really fat guy would obstruct the view and distract from the scene. I think it's better if the guys are attractive so the girls' can get more turned on.
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Apologies for cherry picking, and the derail, but is that really true?
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^Yeah I thought the same thing but it's kinda an irrelevant side issue to the OP's main point, so I let it pass.
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^ True, back OT agree on hot dude to turn the girls on, but on obtrusive I think Ron Jeremy is a good case that for most positions is not an issue, except maybe missionary which you don't want anyway because cannot see anything.
 
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How could I have forgotten to mention Mr. Tim Von Swine? In my defense, we haven't seen you in anything in forever.
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mainly because I dont have any money, lol..(although I just did 2 scenes for Jerkoff Material #9 rel: 12/5/12)
there's only so many pov slots I can nab in Mike's movies whenever we're shooting (which isn't too often lately), and a stand alone/Swne's POV #2 isn't ever happening either unfortunately. now, I have been racking up a bunch of my "Whale Cam/Pigpen" clips that I sell over at chubold.com, or directly to people who email me, but again, I only have so much resource and those for the time being break even at best on the return since I have no distro or web/affiliate deal. it's REAL easy to make ANY type of XXX if you have the money, if not, then it becomes an uphill battle the whole way. regardless, I wrote about this specific topic over at the blog so if you want MY opinion on this then get over there and read it since I'm not writing it twice, lol. this link 'might' work but if not then just head over there for the full monty.Star's Of Swiney's Pigpen.
I dont agree w/much that's been said in this thread but that doesnt mean I'm gonna start arguing/bickering about it. I'm overweight and get flack for it year after year from fans & reviewers & critics that regular, and in shape performers don't. but so what, I know the world is biased and unfair so I just deal with it. my mission is to blast through all of that and make the XXX/porno I've always wanted to see which includes overweight guys banging PROS, not amateaurs, and not in a way where I/we play the chump or lucky loser because that's not what I am or ever have been. I'm here to take what's mine, not wait for fucking XXX scraps. anyways, I'll add more to this thread if need be but for now I have to get ready for my 8:45 hockey game. lates, Von S.
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I, for one, would appluad the addition of some diversity in the males in porn. I happen to think we could use more pairings with nubile, young, sexy things and men that are perhaps older, slightly pudgy, beginning to gray and maybe even BLACK.
How's that sound? Specific enough?
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Your first mistake is assuming straight men are the only consumers of porn. Historically, that has been the case and straight men still do make up a large percentage of the market. But porn producers are catching on to the fact that there is a vast, mostly untapped market in straight porn: women and even gay men. Which means having attractive (i.e., not fat) men has value. Also, don't you want to see porn girls give as close to a genuinely aroused performance as possible? If girls have to bang fat, average etc guys, your outcomes are either she's not into it and/or she puts on an unnatural, over-the-top acting job. Those outcomes may happen regardless depending on the girl and the dynamics of the set. But there's a much better chance of a girl being naturally aroused if she's with a guy who she finds attractive as opposed to if it's with a fat guy. Girls are only going to be intimate with "fat" guys if they have a personal connection with them. porn sets aren't known for having much in the way of personal connections.
skyway
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Posted - Jan 14 2013 : 11:05PM
Even if the women who'd be working with these dudes would be repulsed or simply not aroused? I have to remind myself of the types of people who typically post here lol
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JAGnLA -
There's an older, pudgy black man in a lot of the "My Black Stepdaddy" movies. Not really fat, just out of shape with manboobs.
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^That's Lee Bang. I agree that he is a prime example of a guy who should be paired with more young porno hotties.
You seem to be under the impression that the female performers would be aroused regardless. Are you one of those people who believes that porn girls are always attracted to the men they work with? They do it because it's their job. As long as they're getting paid, they really don't care how the guy looks (unless he's of a different race, but that's another topic).
VON SWINE,
Great post. Before today, I wasn't aware that you had your own site. I went and checked it out. After looking at the site, I'd really like to see you shoot a lot more attractive girls. I already sent you the names of some hot girls who I hope you will consider booking on your site. Other than that, I like your style of shooting what you have on there so far, especially since it's not POV, which I hate for the most part.
Not only would I like to see you bring more hotter girls onto the site, but I'd also like to see you do more missionary with you on top of them while they're on their backs. It looks a lot more realistic that way. Based on what I'm seeing there, I will have absolutely no problem supporting your site and purchasing your scenes. It's certainly something different than what we're seeing in boring "mainstream" porn.
And don't let the haters and critics get to you. If people have a problem with you, tell them to go kick rocks. And please get back to me to let me know what you think of my suggestions.
Edited by - realtip on 1/15/2013 12:05:33 AM
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I don't mind slightly heavyset guys in porn at all as long as they have good wood. As long as it doesn't get in the way and they can still do their thing, it works for me.
Edited by - randomprecision on 1/15/2013 6:06:57 AM
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Julian St. Jox waist precedes him.
Lexington Steele isn't exactly fit either.

Edited by - pornologist on 1/15/2013 10:50:25 AM

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I prefer to see slimmer more fit guys in porn generally but big guys, old guys, or even creepy looking guys have their place too. If it's a situation where the role calls for a dad, neighbor or some type that the girl wouldn't/shouldn't ordinarily bang those type of guys enhance the scene. With those type of guys it becomes a different type of scene for me. It becomes a "Wow! I can't believe he's getting her..." or "Wow! She's so horny she'll even do him..." type of thing (which has a different type of apeal). But it only works for me if they play that aspect up. If it's just supposed to be a typical hot girl having sex with a guy I'd prefer it be a younger slimmer guy.
 
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This I will agree with. Especially when you start getting into things like parodies, there are some roles that would actually play better if they were bigger, "less attractive" guys. But because the industry is the way it is, even if those guys exist, they don't get those roles. A simple example would be the fact that there's a Simpsons parody, but because they didn't want to (or possibly couldn't find, but I doubt it) a bigger guy to play Homer, they turned his sex scene into a POV scene so anyone could do it.
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Waistline girth reduces penis length. That would matter less if porn becomes less centered on penetration, but fat men may still be shit outta luck in the next generation of porn.
Tim Von Swine has one of the better male voices, although I do not remember liking his work as a performer in whatever scene I saw. His deep mellow voice works for him as a director. If I see "directed by Tim Von Swine" I might not like the action, but at least I know it won't be ruined by talking from behind the camera.
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On the obstruction (not obtrusive as I said above) I think Salieri latest works is a good indicator of how the sex is still very doable and hot and without all the gynecologist vision. Which sometimes when to much of can be a bad thing, recently re-watching Belladonna in Gangbang Auditions #6 and instead of focusing on one of the hottest and expressive pornstars then around, its 30 mins of nutsack.
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If the OP wonders why there aint more male performers with the body type of The Minion in porn, then he will wonder forever coz frankly I dont know of anyone who wants to watch that kinda abnoxious porn.
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well, as long as you don't specifically remember DIS-liking the scene/performance I'll chalk that up as a positive. it's ALL attitude gang, I know these chicks like getting paid for what they do. but I swear, sometimes they even like getting paid to do it w/guys like myself(i.e.; over 40, over 250, under 6'). just ask Claire Robbins.... ;) lates, Von S.
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I like to think I made chubby guys look good during my scene for BJ Winner. Nikki Sexx sure seemed to like me when I made her squirt a few times
Edited by - E_i_T on 1/17/2013 2:58:51 AM
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The OP wasn't wondering that as he stated, though 400lbs probably more than The Minion, but the average build..
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They should have got the Minion to play Cartman
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Yes who wants to watch a fat ugly guy in action?
Not me, even though I'm old and a bit thin on top.
But I do collect The Minion movies if its with one of my fave stars, just to complete my collection, but i can only bear to watch them once.
The thought of one of my darlings with that ugly guy......
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I know what you mean. There is something deliciously degrading about seeing someone's beautiful daughter, a girl who once dreamed of being a nurse or a ballerina, fucking a slob like the Minion to make the car insurance payment.
Edited by - nietzsche on 1/20/2013 5:38:49 PM
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There needs to be a bigger variety of male body types. A lot of us like to watch porn vicariously. Hard to do when everyone has an amazing physique. They don't need to be in shape either. Who says a scene has to be 30 minutes of vigorous sex all the time, every time? It's formulaic and stale and becomes more about the male's performance than the woman's. As long as they can get wood is all that matters. Personally, I don't want to see fat guys but I'm sure many would. I just want to see some average joes.
Edited by - Assanova on 1/22/2013 1:27:43 AM
draghixafan
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Posted - Jan 22 2013 : 1:25AM
Excellent point! The girl has to endure it while this guy goes on & on like an Olympic athlete.
Need average dudes, with some emotional connection, so the girl genuinely gets off. Probably another reason why there is so much fake screaming because she has to go on & on for 30 mins.
But our voices don't seem to be heard, been posting in lots of different threads in various related topics for over year now always around the same issue, and still not a lot has come of it :(
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I'm too dark to play him
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