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Is the money better than in the movies or dancing?
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Well, even at a 50/50 split with an escort agency, at $1,500 an hour (which seems to be the standard), and figure four sessions a day, with probably middle-aged rich fat guys without a lot of torque to their game, not only is it probably EASIER than getting double-drilled by footlong cockmasters, there's none of the hassle of enemas and hot lights and 10-man cumslams, etc. I'm sure 3 grand a day is a fair take. Not that I really know. Often the same time the girls are hooking they're dancing/touring so I bet it's pretty good cash -- way better than working in porn.

Doubt the sex is as good (for them) though. I bet it's fairly boring or un-erotic.

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There are several reasons that pornstars get into escorting, And for a pornstar to escort as apposed to just a girl off the streets is that a man or woman would pay alot more to a person they have seen in the movies. Money is of course the main selling point to get into escorting and it is not always that you make more money than stripping but it is alot easier on your body, you have to understand that when a girl is at the club dancing she is in high shoes and dancing all night and has to deal with several guys and come home with several bumps that are not flattering on film when they have a scene the next day, Now with the escort the are usually wined a dinned and shown a good time and they are not dancing all night and they only have to deal with one guy instead of several. Now I know you are not always taken out by the guy but even if you are not you still make money in a faster and less tiring way.

P.S. I know a lot of dancers and escorts, I hope this helps a little bit.

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Posted - Feb 16 2004 : 8:54PM
I've noticed some cases where it has gone the opposite way. Girls who are already escorting get into porn because it allows them to raise their rates. It's just like how feature dancers want to get a few movies under their belt for the same reason.
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Posted - Feb 16 2004 : 9:07PM
Escorting is pretty nifty. Even if you don't have a very high "porn star" rate, you can generally book a couple of guys a day. It allows for a fairly flexible schedule, so if there is something else you need or want to do, it's a great job for that reason alone. It's not as physically demanding as performing in adult films, it's not as time consuming as dancing. It can be much more lucrative than either. You get to meet all sorts of people. If you want to make friends, you can. If you don't want to make friends, you don't have to.
I think many porn performers go into escorting because they realise that they're okay with it after having sex in front of cameras with strangers. I think they get sick of hearing from directors that they want more nastier, outrageous performances for less and less money, while hearing from their fans that they would give anything just to have the opportunity to give them a backrub. I think the attention and affirmation are addictive. I think there are probably a dozen other reasons that I haven't thought of yet, too.

Edited by - KimiLixx on 2/17/2004 12:59:33 AM

 
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Kimi, have you been reading my mind while in ASPD chat? I'm not under the illusion that I'm gonna "save" a porn performer or an escort, but, as I'm amusing myself in front of the VCR/DVD combo, I sometimes find myself wanting to shout, "Why are you doing this? I'd be happy to give you as many orgasms as you want, and I won't choke you, slap you, piss on you, or have three of my buddies stick their dicks into you at the same time!"
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Posted - Feb 16 2004 : 10:04PM
I agree, I think it is more of a way to have a more high profile, in turn more money.
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Posted - Feb 16 2004 : 10:29PM
I've never escorted myself but have talked to a few girls that have and they feel like they have more of a say so when escorting. They get to choose thier clients and often the freelance girl doesn't even know who she is working with until she gets to set. So for a girl that isn't under contract and has less power of who she has sex with, it seems the obvious choice for many. I support any sex worker that takes control of her future regarless if she's an escort or porn performer.

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Posted - Feb 17 2004 : 1:10AM
isnt escorting just a glorified way of 'tricking'?
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Or "treating."
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Under that scenario, isn't being a pornstar a very 'glorified' way of 'tricking'?
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Posted - Feb 17 2004 : 3:12AM
under that scenario, it sure is chico. only porno offers the girls a better chance of 'not' ending up in a dumpster somewhere as rat meat. Von S
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Posted - Feb 17 2004 : 3:56AM
I presume that's the key word "a better chance".

Realistically though, when a woman in her formidable years especially in the American market where younger teens dominate, this is the only job position where young women can make a crapload of money with absolutely no job skills whatsoever.

When their video life runs out, it's clear what the next step is with absolutely no job skills whatsoever.

For every Ariana, Selena Silver, Ashley Blue, and Ashley Long, women of intelligence who know precisely what they're doing for the future, there are dozens and dozens of girls who make alot of quick money and think their pussies and asses are going to last forever in the video world. Unfortunately, the video world is always looking for newer, younger, fresher.

I know a shitload of girls who make a shitload of money in a month and, guess what?, you might as well throw all that cash into an incinerator at the end of the month cause they still can't make rent at the end of the month.

I'm not preaching. I'm merely observing.

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If you equate escorts with streetwalkers or assume the risks are equal, you have a lot to learn. There's a whole 'nother world out there besides the gals that cruise Harry Hines Boulevard in Dallas or similar streets.

Most escorts and agencies these days require real name, employer, employer's phone number, and references before they'll do business with you. Internet bulletin boards, private-message systems, e-mail and phones allow for quick and effective communication of clients who pose financial, legal or physical risk. Most escorts probably have less to fear from their clients than a typical single girl on a first date with a new guy.

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Posted - Feb 17 2004 : 9:33AM
The going rate for an hour with some of the most well-reviewed escorts in Dallas averages between $250 and $300. Making a couple of movies generaly doesn't increase an escort's market value significantly -- Caset Carlin and Shannon O'Day in Dallas come to mind. But get a couple of boxcovers under your belt, get a recognizable name as a "porn star," and you can easily get $1,500 an hour.

The real question is why don't more porn stars escort? You can work as much or as little as you wish, choose whom you want to see, spend as much time with the nice guys as you want, not have to put up with the likes of Brandon Irons (sorry Brandon), travel to other cities and get paid for it. Actually, I'm surprised that so many really pretty girls choose to have permanent, commercially available recordings of them doing all sorts of things made, when a career as an escort has the advabtages cited above, plus the added benefits of anonymity and deniability.

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Posted - Feb 17 2004 : 10:30AM
yo does background checks really provide safety for escorting? what if he is some nutcase, i mean what does a background check do. does that do anything
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Posted - Feb 17 2004 : 12:14PM
A few replies to comments on the topic...

It depends on what security measures the escort has in place. At a minimum, clients who might have considered acting out know that they can be easily tracked down and prosecuted for an assault.

You say "tricking" like it's a bad thing. Shame on you. Why should there be any issue with the business arrangements between two consenting adults? Many escorts do not provide sexual favors, and those who do may not provide them to every client they have. Not every client wants sex.

Prostitution and adult film performing are not the same. In an adult film nobody is being paid to give anyone sexual gratification.

I'm not sure when my "formidable" years are/were/will be, but I do consider myself a force to be reckoned with.

I really wish I would quit hearing people say that women have jobs in the sex industry because they have nothing else to do for money. What grand skills did you have when you were 18? Plainly speaking, the sex industry is dominated by young, and young appearing, people. It's a job you can only do for a certain period of your life. Why should any woman waste her youth/youthful appearance locked away in some cubicle somewhere? Porn or other sex industry jobs are not the end of the world, you move on when you're done, most other jobs are still available - just not those ones with high public profiles or ones working with children. Have your moment of glory, you can still grow up to be a computer programmer when you're 50.

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Posted - Feb 17 2004 : 1:07PM
the only reason with tricking and why the government doesnt allow it are for a few reasons. number one is because it is dangerous as far as exploting of woman, drug trafficking, and some bad men take advantage of this to commit crimes and also the spread of std's. another reason is the government makes no money since its off the books. these are some of the reason why they dont like it.

i mean how does the government arrest if u pay for time and not sex , im not sure the legal status because the government rarely only goes after street hookers and not escort girls

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Look at it this way. It takes me a day's effort to make $350. That's about what you would pay a pretty good-looking call girl in NYC to come over and polish your doorknob for an hour -- heck, in some cases, you might get two hours for that much. The last time I tried it, I got a super-cute 18-year-old who only made out with you and did oral. Fantastic! She was supplementing her tuition at college. She was a totally cool, totally intelligent girl (except I had to remind her to grab the money). She bailed out shortly thereafter because I'm guessing it wasn't for her. But how else was she gonna make $1,000 or more a week, between classes?

I'm pretty sure one of my ex-girlfriends did some lowkey hooking when she lived near a naval base, back in her leaner ($$$-wise) years. If you like sex, and you like men, and you like money, and you don't have hangups about it, I'm not sure what the big deal is. I bet there are a LOT more women out there if have dabbled in it (just see Craig's List) than the average person imagines.

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It was interesting to see this topic here because it is the exact topic of my KSEXradio show next week (Wednesday, February 25).

My guest is Vicky Vette and we are going to talk about the difference between doing porn and escorting.

Why does US law say it is legal to make porn and not to escort? (FYI: In Australia, that is reversed. Prostitution is legal and making porn is not)

Why are their girls who do porn who say it horrible to escort? What is the difference? Why do some girls escort who say they would never do porn?

What do the girls who both do porn and escort think about it? Why do they escort? Why do they shoot porn?

I think it is a fascinating subject and I might even have some strong opinions about it. :)

I am watching this thread for the radio show and am going to come back here and post after the show. It would be interesting to see if any of your thoughts get affected that day...

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Hey Selena, I have also been reading alot on this thread and your show sounds like it will be a great one on www.ksexradio.comI will definitely be there to hear it! And good luck on your new shows, your last one was wonderful.

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Posted - Feb 17 2004 : 5:28PM
Yes Selena your shows on Ksex are great! and i will also be there to listen in on this show for sure

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Edited by - Kris Slater on 2/17/2004 5:31:22 PM

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Don't forget that the IRS (and States) get copies of 1099's and W-2's for filmings and dance gigs, something that probably doesn't happen much (if ever) to a girl for escorting income.

In a class I teach for The Learning Annex in LA and in San Diego about "Making Porn", one of the opinions I express is that since the 1973 case of Miller/Califonia protects our filming, I think that there atre two things everyone needs to be careful of----namely, drugs on sets or already consumed by a now possibly-"compliant" actress; and, the IRS.

I've read on one of the gossip sites that the IRS might be looking into income declarations (or lack thereof?) of people involved with aspects of escorting, specifically folks who "recruit" girls and then get a referral fee???????

Be careful out there everyone!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted - Feb 18 2004 : 12:28AM
Yes -- "Tricking" isnt bad. Prostitution is the oldest profession out there and I welcome that with an open fly. Bottom line is -- Be safe whether it is being ripped off by some director or getting the beat down on the street.
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Posted - Feb 18 2004 : 12:36AM
<sigh> Assuming that an escort doesn't pay taxes is really lousy, too.
What, you think I believe the government won't notice that I pay my bills with money just like everyone else? I pay my taxes. Hell, that's how they took down Al Capone. Easiest way to get the government's attention.
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I'm not "Assuming...."; rather, I'm merely "worrying" for those who don't report and pay taxes on any/some/all of their cash escort earnings--it's admirable that YOU pay, but I doubt that ALL the girls pay taxes on ALL their escort earnings!!!! I base this on the girls I pay via a check which I cash on-the-spot for them, only to have to caution the ones who say something like "Oh, good, since it's cash I don't have to pay taxes!".

Comments? Am I wrong?

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Posted - Feb 18 2004 : 2:09AM
No, based on a comment or three like that, you're probably right. So much more the pity.
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Kimi, when two or more of your avatars are in the same screen space I have acid flashbacks!

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i would tell u one thing. for example take gary ridgway who preyed on hookers and killed 50 woman. if i was a woman id be scared to hook up with a stranger for cash. background checks are not going to do anything
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You know this is a great subject. I think there is no problem with being an Escort or a porn star as long as your not doing if for self destructive reasons and you know what you are getting into to. I agree that it's stupid that law enforcenment wastes its time busting girls when there is alot more they could be concentrating on. Here are what I think the pros and cons of the 2 are though.

Escorting:
Pros:
Good money
shorter time
not always sex
sometimes you get taken to dinner or out somewhere nice
always useing protection for everything!!!! B/J, penetration, even suran wrap if he really wants to go down on you.
you can build a clientele
you can bring another girl along
If you workin a whore house its safer

Cons:
not knowing what situation you are walking into
the person isn't tested even with condoms - they can break
person might be on drugs or have been drinking
Just not the best enviroment to be in
If your with an agent or working in a whore house they take half of you money

Porn:
Pros:
Money
build a name and make more money from your website, etc...
Be in a safer enviroment
Everyone is tested
Can feature dance
Can improve your sex life because you learn more things

Cons:
People fuck around outside the industry and spread stuff
people triing to work with out tests
They don't test for everything
sometimes your on set for 12 hours or more.(If its a feature I don't mind, but gonzo - umm, spead things up.)

Well, these are just some of my thoughts with either or both you run risks like in normal life just use your brain and when your not working on a set use protection. I say use it while your young before its too late but, use it as a stepping stone. You won't be able to do it forever.

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Posted - Feb 18 2004 : 5:14PM
i mean its up to the girls, the cops rarely go after hookers on the internet and focus on street hookers.

i mean i want to look out for the girl because gary ridgway (the GREEN RIVER KILLER) took advantage of like 50 hookers and he is locked up for life. i mean this should be good enough reason to think twice?

 
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Posted - Feb 18 2004 : 5:19PM
i mean GARY RIDGWAY WAS CONVICTED TO LIFE OF OVER 50 murders on hookers, that should be good enough reason to be cautious
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You also have to think of this. GARY RIDGWAY did kill all the women but the odds of being killed by a mass murderer are a lot less then being hit my a car on the way to a porn shoot. So there are risks in every job , but yes you should still be cautious when escorting or with any job.

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Right there are risks in every job as I said before but, then again I think of my grandmother who was an escort and she had gone out of town to see one of her "regulars", they got into a fist fight after drinking (which is not smart to drink or do drugs on any job.) Well, the guy left and when he was calmed down he came back to find that she had hymoridged to death. He called a buddy, they got her body, took it to the local bowling alley and dumped her body in the trunk of some guys car. The guy came out to his car to find this dead lady who had no ID on her and she was a Jane Doe for almost 2 months before her family could find her. So this is something that always sticks into my head. Then, I think of the couples that kill each other or the mom that kills her kids, etc... You just never know whats going to happen all you can do is try your best to not put your self into a bad situation.

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Posted - Feb 18 2004 : 6:47PM
Right there are risks in every job as I said before but, then again I think of my grandmother who was an escort and she had gone out of town to see one of her "regulars", they got into a fist fight after drinking (which is not smart to drink or do drugs on any job.) Well, the guy left and when he was calmed down he came back to find that she had bleed to death. He called a buddy, they got her body, took it to the local bowling alley and dumped her body in the trunk of some guys car. The guy came out to his car to find this dead lady who had no ID on her and she was a Jane Doe for almost 2 months before her family could find her. So this is something that always sticks into my head. Then, I think of the couples that kill each other or the mom that kills her kids, etc... You just never know whats going to happen all you can do is try your best to not put your self into a bad situation.

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Posted - Feb 18 2004 : 9:08PM
As someone mentioned earlier, there is some level of a background check on clients. They make sure that they know the clients real name, possibly where they work etc...

This information is probably put in a place where someone will find it if something happens to the girl. My guess is that if Gary Ridgway were going after pornstar escorts, he only would have got 1 before being caught.

Murders do so anonomously. That's why they go for street hookers not escorts.

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It aint no Science to this. They Fuck for Money on Video already! Why not Fuck in a venue that is more descreet?
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Posted - Jul 30 2005 : 7:49PM
Money. A pornstar can make a teacher's years salary in a month if she consistently escorts and is charging $1000 or so a client. Plus, its the only job you don't need to get out of bed for.
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Posted - Jul 30 2005 : 11:09PM
If someone hires an escort, is that gauranteed sex presuming htat the guy doesn't act like an ass?

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Technically, no. Realistically, yes.
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I personally don't use escorts, but am somewhat informed on how things work.
There's a number of adult film stars that have advertised escorting services whom I'd personally love to f**k the stuffing out of.
As a lowly consumer, I'd be looking to get the full "porn star experience" out of the lady (deep throating/gagging, anal sex, facial cum-shots, just all around nasty sex) , especially if I shelled out over a grand to do so. I'm sure most men who admire these ladies from afar and decide to splurge expect the very most as well, generally speaking.
Since, much like what skronker and Kimi Lixx said, these escorting porn-stars probably don't feel obligated to be held up to the same standards while escorting, as opposed to on the set of some nasty porno flick, I believe a fans money is better spent on one of his finest proven locals instead. I think that's the general consensus within the "hobbying" community as well.
Lisa Sparxxx is one of the only girls who makes it a point to advertise that she'll do "anything you see me do in my movies".

Edited by - SexDriven75 on 7/31/2005 2:32:26 AM

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I am a libertarian, so I basically don't think the government or me should be deciding what 2 consenting adults do as long as no one is being harmed.

But I, personally, find women who take money for sex with strangers to be that next level beyond porn that doesn't seem right to me.

I've watched that Cathouse show and I drool every time that I see Isabella Soprano. I just can't imagine paying her for sex or for anything. Again, I'm way on the liberal end, but even strip clubs make me sick.

Just following the same "this is my observation" line, but I just couldn't imagine that anyone would argue that it's a good thing to prostitute yourself.

As a fan of several adult actresses, I would never cross the line of fantasy and try to bring that person into my real life unless it happened naturally. But to have sex with Penny Flame or Isabella and then to know that it meant nothing to them would be a horrible feeling for me much more than I would "benefit" from having sex with someone famous or more skilled than a wife, girlfriend, or a girl you met at the bar. Which are a lot of the reasons people give for why they go to a "professional".

In a porno, neither party is expected to let feelings get involved with what they're doing, which is mostly to benefit the audience that will see it, not themselves. An orgasm at the expense of degrading yourself (and potentially the woman in the case of someone who might only be doing it because they don't have other choices) is not worth it at all.

And if you want to pay someone a lot of money for a backrub or to brush their hair, more power to you and you have every right to spend your money how you want to, but that still doesn't make you less nuts in my opinion.

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Posted - Jul 31 2005 : 2:03PM
Hasn't anyone considered the idea that maybe porn stars escort because they want to provide the opportunity for us, the fans, to meet them on a one-to-one personal level? If I want to take her dancing I can, if I want to take her out to dinner, I can. Yes, I have to provide a donation for her time with me but hey, she's drop-dead gorgeous, has an amazing body and is giving me all of her attention if only for a few hours. It's their way of saying "thanks" to us, so I say "thanks" right back.

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Posted - Jul 31 2005 : 3:41PM
Why do pornstars get into escorting ? Why ? Because they want to meet me of course . Sorry , ladies , just not gonna happen . You can go back to the cum stained yellow couch now .
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I think the proliferation of pornstar escorting has to do with two things: less money from porno/strip clubs, and more competition in the porn biz. Why spend half a day on a porn set making a grand when you can make two or three times that escorting?

Most of the pornstars escorting are past their prime. They've made their top dollars in the porn biz and can't make that much anymore. Escorting is the next step. I'm not saying they're over the hill, but they are past the peak of their careers.

If you're on top in the porn biz, you're not going to be fucking johns for a couple grand when you could be having millionaires flying you out to their yachts for a weekend vacation in the bahamas.

It's probably also easier and more convenient for pornstars to escort than it is to drum up business in porno (e.g. having to show up on time, shoot the scene, guy can't get wood yet you can't leave, yadda yadda yadda).

More than anything else, I think the proliferation and greater acceptance of/demand for porn has made it more difficult for pornstars to make top dollar. It's definitely hurt the strip club industry. Why pay to see some pornstar strip at a club when you can get the girl on your street to do the same thing for free cuz she wants to prove that she too can be pornstar sexy?

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LOL. They're telling you what you tell your SO when she asks you if her ass is getting fat. In other words, they're telling you what you want to hear.

Don't be a sucker.

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