"The good men are all married," writer Junko Sakai says. "Those left behind are all nerds or without jobs or violent or not nice-looking."
then again I've never had the balls to start a conversation with any girls and the only time I've got any was when a girl started talking to me first in a bar so I got noone except myself and my psychological issues to blame I guess...

Edited by - daviangel on 6/7/2004 11:18:00 AM

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Good lookin gal that is with a guy that looks sleazy (and that's being nice in describing him), that doesn't look like he knows how to dress - in fact looks like he has slept in his clothes, unshaved, and looks like he hasn't taken a bath in five days.

Baffles the hell out of me.

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Edited by - DenverDon on 6/7/2004 11:21:01 AM

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First, whats so wrong with how the guy looked?
Oh the horror of a trucker hat on sideways! And unshaven? Oh man, what a loser!(?) He actually sounds like he could be in a band; hell, maybe hes' a mensa intellectual, has a cock like lex steele, or even rich. Who knows? But to assume that the guy described is a 'loser' is about the same as looking at a chick smoking or wearing something sexy and assuming she puts out.

The main problem here lies with the original comment;
'Why didn't she make her way over there and find someone a bit decent ?'

Why didn't some guy just make his way over to HER? Maybe its time for you to be a little more aggressive; hard to complain about some other guy getting the chicks if you don't at least try.

What women want in dating is so much simpler than its being made out to be here; chicks go for who they like. Some like guys who aren't clean cut and well-dressed (whatever that means.) But to make a judgement about what a girl is like or to analysis her emotionally based on who she dates (especially by just spotting her in a bar) seems ludicrious. Unless you know the chick personally, who knows what is racing through her brain except that she finds that particular gentleman attractive. And women have this thing I like to call 'free will;' they can fuck whomever they want, 300 lbs with back hair, midgets, whatever. And if they fuck or date losers, I am not going to lose sleep about it; theres' tons of women in the world.

The question should not be why do 'gals date losers' but rather should be, what am I doing wrong in that i don't attract the women I desire? If you see a woman with a guy you find 'unsuitable,' maybe thats a clue that shes not your type anyways. I see hot 20 yr old chicks all the time with 60 yr old dudes who drive Porsches. Is that any better than a chick going out with a guy who looks 'sleazy?'

Of course, my trucker hat is on sideways and sometimes my pants ride low enough that you can see my ass. I might be a 'loser' but I can tell you, when I go out, I don't worry about the other guys. I am thinking about the 19 yr old in the see-through tank top; and if shes taken, right behind her is another gal. According to this forum topic, it appears that she might be into dirty, greasy guys like me.

Yeah right.

Edited by - P-Knuckle on 6/7/2004 5:43:14 PM

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Edited by - M.B. on 6/7/2004 6:04:00 PM

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His secret is probably that he doesn't give a fuck; chicks pick up on it; its his pimp juice.

I imagine that he might be better looking than you are giving him credit for. He's your friend, maybe you don't see it. The fact that he is not metrosexual or high maitenance might also be an appealing thing to the women you see him attract. Not all women want guys who wax there eyebrows or wear dress shoes at bars. If the majority of guys in your area live in a dating environment 'where cash and cars are important.' it plays to your friend's advantage that he is none of these things. He's probably the quiet type who appears mysterious to chicks. That gets points with gals when everyone else smells like they took a drakar noir cologne shower, wear fancy colored versace shirts, and think that their SUV cadillac with the shiny wheels makes up for the balls. You said-

'He's a regular guy just looking to settle down with the right girl, but how can you when every piece of ass in the city keeps crawling all over you?'

My advice is that you tell him to enjoy it while it lasts; when he wants to he will meet a girl and settle down. But I don't see why he would want to now; a gluttonious consumption of women is a great gift from the gods and should be embraced as such. It should never be questioned. (This is my Clash of the Titans logic again.)

Edited by - P-Knuckle on 6/7/2004 6:32:54 PM

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If your gonna set up a social situation as such, it would help the Pknuckle to add that you were not looking for a chick and that you yourself were with one. The description of the situation was rather Arthur Conan Doyal (lotta facts of the crime scene); so it would be strange for you to leave out the fact that you were there with a girl yourself. And then you say 'This has nothing to do with me.' Why ask; your doing good and already at the bar with a girl. Why be concerned about the other dude?

Did you smell him? you might not like certain kinds of people but that doesn't mean that everyone else shares your sentiments about smelly people; I have been to a grateful dead show where I saw old, smelly hippies with beautiful young chicks. MORE POWER TO EM!!! I don't think the guy's a fink if he can stink and still get the pink.

Another question, how do you know that the guys across the way at a table were nice? They might eat feces and fuck nuns in hot air balloons on Christmas. A clean shave or nicely cut hair doesn't mean that you can't be a complete schmuck otherwise.

This girl at the bar might not be 'clean'; how do you know she was? Sure, the chick was pretty, but she could be on heroin, have a third nipple, and also carry a full blown severe case of ass herpes. But you could never tell this from just looking at her in a bar. Much lies under the surface of many a chickadoodle. Some of the most well-kept people with perfect grooming are complete dirtballs. If this particular chick is into the guy you describe, it saves us all time by her being taken. Shes' probably not a walk in the park either. If I saw a hot girl being mistreated by a dude (regardless of his appearance) in public and then SHE puts up with it; I wouldn't feel sorry for her and I would most definitely not be attracted to her.

Edited by - P-Knuckle on 6/7/2004 7:02:52 PM

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Or maybe he just wore her down, and she ran out of polite ways to put him off and didn't want to get impolite, so she gave up and went with him, not liking him at all. Tomorrow she'll wake up and look at him and think, "Ewww..."

Or maybe he said something to amuse her and she just liked him.

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I explain this with Social Exchange Theory. People always look to get more out of a relationship than their partner (no, you're not aiming for egalitarianism). Needy guys require a larger outlay of attention and emotional resources than Mr Hat-on-Sideways. But Mr Hat has shown that he can go up to a woman (who doesn't even like him) and persist in winning her over. He has shown that he is resourceful, that he can keep it together; in essence, that he is a man. That's it in a nutshell.

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Edited by - M.B. on 6/7/2004 10:04:06 PM

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Women are not all that hung up on a guy's looks, as long as he is clean enough and not too poorly dressed. If he can carry on a decent conversation, so much the better. Like one of my women friends once told me, as long as a guy doesn't drink too much, use drugs, gamble or cheat on you, you've got a decent one on your hands.

My best lover ever was a stutterer, who didn't care for sports all that much, was only a so-so dresser, and was average in looks. Women were just attracted to the guy - there was something about him that so endearing. There were times when he had two women on his hands; I know he was rarely without a woman in his life, long after we broke up.

When I read what you other guys are looking for - a piece of ass, a bit of poontang - don't you think the women you approach in the bars can pick up on this? We women can sense a shallow guy from a mile away. Now, sometimes, all a woman is looking for is a guy to hook up with for a one night stand, and she doesn't mind Mr. Shallow, for one night, and that's it.

There's no way Mr. Shallow can ever compete with Mr. Looking-to-Settle-Down. Women aren't that stupid.

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Because losers crave gals.

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I don't know what to tell you, except that we women spend our lives making assessments about guys (is he decent, does he have good manners, does he have a job, what are his interests, etc), so what we may notice about any individual man may differ from what his buddies think of him.

I'm suprised when I read negative comments on ADT about Steve Holmes or Mark Davis, two of the porn actors out there who seem to have a natural rapport with nearly all the actresses that they work with. It's as if a lot of male fans can't see this. And it's apparent with these guys from the minute a scene starts, or better yet, when you watch the BTS footage, and you see that both of them take the time to talk to the women they are paired with, and set them at ease.

And it isn't anything chemical, or supernatural, or whatnot. These two man just seem naturally at ease with women. I doubt it's something that they practiced, or learned from a book or another guy, it's just the way they are. I suspect that M.B.'s buddy has some of this natural ease - and I'm wondering, does this guy have a nice smile?

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Edited by - bigdick on 6/18/2004 7:12:44 AM

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In the end I managed to get this tape off him. I listened to it twice a day for about a week. Afterwards I started noticing it was far easier to attract women and you know what it bloddy well worked. Obviously I'm not using the tape at the moment becuase i'm with someone, but as soon as i'm single again it'll be made good use of. Maybe it was just a coincidence!

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