The subject line is admittedly simplistic, but that's due to character-count limitations. I know that girls leave the business for a variety of reasons. Some get tired of the job. Some aren't able to show up on time and sober. Some thought they could do it and keep it from the family and friends. Some get religion. Some decide to parlay whatever fame they've acquired into a career as a higher-dollar escort than they otherwise would have been able to become. Some fall in love. Some were in it just to have a one-time "life experience." Some just wanted some quick money and had no intention of sticking around for more than a few shoots. I've probably missed a few. What I'm curious about is yet another category: How frequently does a girl leave the business because she thought she could do porn and then decided after a shoot or two or three that she couldn't? More specifically, I'm curious as to the thought process whereby a girl wakes up one morning and says, "I think I'll do a porn video," and how she gets from there to, "You know, I really don't think I have it in my to be a porn slut afer all." Any thoughts?
PETE - Why do they quit? Most invest wisely and retire to a life of luxury. A couple have become my concubines. (Or they soon will be). Others run for elective office. Smile. BSD
When I think of a female quitting porn(I am talking of amateur types who perform for a short time only), what comes to my mind is that are they not aware that there is no real "quitting" as their images will globally circulate the internet for at least a decade or even more?
Some maybe "quit" because the phone doesn't ring enough. Especially the niche girls such as plumpers, BBWs, matures, which most studios do not shoot. This makes these girls all the more special imho and their limited scenes all the more valuable imho. The downside is the studios that shoot them are mostly lame (notable exception Rodney Moore) and do a lousy job.
I wonder the same thing. I can only assume that many have this perception of the job as being something different than it really is. Then when they see the reality, they find they don't like it and quit.
This is simply a guess but I would imagine that quite frequently girls get romantically linked while doing porn with somebody outside the industry. Most new boyfriends or partners will probably not be happy with the love of their life's chosen profession and will either insist that they retire or only do limited types of porn or else. The rest is history as another porn star disappears from our screens.
this is the most stupid question i have read in a while... girls quit for a number of reasons.... um hello maybe they dont like doing porn, maybe they have chapters in their life that they want to write, maybe because they decided to go back to school.... you guys all think we wanna do this till we are 40, when the majority of us really do have other plans other then fucking on film for your delight "im the girl your mother warned you about"
My, my, someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. I was tempted to let the insult slide, but I thought I would observe that, based on the response quoted above, it would appear as if the poster either didn't read the original post in its entirety and responded only to the subject line, or didn't comprehend the original post.
That's what I'm getting at. With the preponderance of porn available today, I think it would be awful hard for a girl wanting to get into the business to not know that she'll be expected to fuck people she's just met, some of whom she wouldn't go home with if she met them in a bar; let strange guys jack off on her face; have every guy she works with want to stick his dick up her ass (whether it's on her menu or not); be presented with the option of blowbangs, gangbangs, interracial, swallowing; have her ass slapped and be called a whore; etc. You can see all this from the outside before you take the plunge (or become the plungee). How and why does the perception change once you get inside?
Agreed. It's a lot harder to dismiss porn work as a youthful lark, or stupid decision, or whatever criterion you're using to try to explain people that it's in your past, when there's a permanent, commercially available record of you getting your face painted by a bunch of mopes. Contrast that with working as an escort -- it's not only a lot easier to deny having done it, it's a lot easier for people to forgive and forget what they haven't seen and can't go back and see for themselves.
The reasons a person quits porn likely aren't much different than the reasons a person quits ANY job: -Lifestyle changes -Pursue other interests -Found a better job elsewhere -Doesn't need to work any longer (rare I think, esp in porn) -Family/SO doesn't want them to work any more It's no big mystery really. Time passes, career aspirations move along.
Because porn is most often times selling a glammed up fantasy. It's possible that many girls get into porn thinking that it will be fun or easy money, and the sex is going to be just like that fantasy they see in the final product. And if that's the case their perception of porn would most likely be very different from the reality. When that person comes to the realization that it's work and they have to perform for the camera, sometimes for hours at a time in situations that are not fun nor sexually arousing for them... that can definitely change the perception they once had of the job.
I'm reasonably certain most women know about the sex acts they may be asked to do in porn, as well as the general idea that the people they will be performing with may not be known to them and may not be desirable to them. I think THAT stuff is the known element. I think the unknown element is more along the lines of all the other stuff she'll find out. Stuff like: - no matter how hot everyone in your hometown thought you were, you're nothing special in porn - some other chick is getting more work than you, no matter what you do - the pay isn't as much as you thought it was - it isn't glamorous - nobody is shocked, just kinda disgusted and disappointed - guys don't want to date you any more than they already did - you can't undo that, film is forever - checks bounce, those companies are not always as professional as you thought - that guy lied, he doesn't know anyone who can get you into a feature - the guy you're fucking, does not want to fuck you, you don't turn him on - the chick you're making friends with, is drugged out of her mind and won't remember you tomorrow - she stole your shoes - nobody but the guys on the forum ever heard of you - the guys on the forum haven't even seen your scenes - it doesn't 'snap right back' Some of these I know from personal experience, some I've heard from others I've talked to. None of us were 'three scenes and out', but these are some things we never thought about, or were mistaken about, before we got into it.
Point no 3 I dont agree with there are probably a lot of pornstars who becomes trophywives to rich guys and quits because of that probably from pressure from their spouse as well so its probably a combination of 3 and 5.
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Name 1(one) pornstar trophy wife. The dude would get laughed out of the country club and his local watering hole. Maybe he could star in his own reality series, "I Married a Skank".
You answered your own question. Probably most of them never planned on making it a long-term thing to start out with so the fact that they stay long enough to be missed when they go is probably the real miracle. Also, as Kimi pointed out, if they had any illusions going in that it was going to be a lot of fun and they wouldn't earn every penny of the money, that probably doesn't last very long. Some may be under the illusion that it isn't a job. Jobs suck. The pay usually sucks and the boss is usually a prick. A job is a job is a job. Edited by - randomprecision on 6/12/2009 8:06:26 PM
I'm sure there are loads of girls who do one, two or three scenes and leave. You just never hear of them. After the Jenna Jameson (groan) phenomenon, porn became some badass thing for little wannbe JD sluts to do. Thing is - all of them weren't built physically, mentally or emotionally for it. Christian XXX has mentioned a couple of girls' first scenes that ended in tears 'cause it wasn't for them. They went back home. Also, Kimi talked about disappointment. An example - LA Direct really lays it on thick when it comes to promises of possible fame and fortune. I remember them throwing out numbers like $15,000 a month. I'm sure the tippy-top girls got that. But seriously how many out of the 130-something females on their roster pull that in - especially now with decrease in production. That's what they used to write on their website. I can only imagine what bullshit lines girls are fed behind closed doors (Kimi wrote a few.) And fame? There is a friggin' flackin' become a porn star CONTEST! It's like "American Idol" or something, except dick-sucking is your talent, but it's all flashy and full of prizes and blah blah blah. I'm sure they are promised the moon, then some girls realize a)it ain't gonna happen for them b)they actually have to WORK at becoming a successful porn star - it doesn't just land in their lap. Jewel DeNyle was notorious on this board for hatin' on the lazy girls who flooded the industry with stars in their eyes. Edited by - savoy on 6/13/2009 9:26:42 AM
They go back to school, let's face it look at the amount of young girl's in the jizz bizz, it is crazy. Also porn was a profession i.e. the 80's-90's now it something to get a quick buck.
Wow. That's a fine how-dya-do! Kimi, Thank you for providing a layered look at some of the negatives of being a female performer. What strikes me is how similar the "reasons" are for porn and other industries. I'm in law but have also been in marketing and sales over the course of my careers and so many of the reasons you listed can be applied (once slightly adjusted) to those fields. Seriously, other than "it doesn't snap right back," every item is applicable to sales gigs, marketing gigs and lawyer gigs...and I'm sure many other fields as well. I guess it goes to show how we are more alike than we realize. Bottom line, a job is a job is a job and the negatives are fairly universal. Therefore, the reasons we might leave a job soon after starting are probably universally similar to the reason a newbie leaves the business after two or three films.
I read or heard somewhere that a fairly large number of girls (like 1 out of 3) who do a scene or film leave the business immediately after their first. I'm guessing it has something to do with what xxaru described - they think "I've had sex before, how hard can it be to just do that in front of a camera and a few other people?" But then they find out the hard way that you have to be really comfortable with being naked in front of strangers for hours on end, moving around, waiting while the lighting gets set up between scene changes, etc. Turns out to be not that fun and a lot more stressful and rigorous than they thought, and they decide they'd rather do just about anything else.
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Yeah I think that's in the neighborhood. For every girl who wants to cash in on her pussy, "escorting" beckons, with the promise of anonymity and normal sex. I think generally the big time exhibitionists wind up in porn, the rest "escort".
I personally liked Fucking On Film For Your Delight
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Richard Mulligan married Rachel Ryan. Jason Hervey married some chick named Angel something. Of course everyone is missing the obvious, maybe they quit because they are afraid of HIV.
Maybe it wasn't such a stupid question after. Thanks to those ho actually read the initial post, understood what I was asking, and responded thoughtfully and informatively.
It seems that EVERY SCENE SHE DID WAS ANAL. (The one on the list that doesn't say anal, from the description it looks like it's a movie where everyone does anal. Oh, and notice anyone familiar in the list of stars for that one? )
1. Some of us wake up and realize that we are not safe from HIV (thank you aim for allowing me to waste my money) 2. I have gotten sick of the lack of control of image.. for instance .. do you really think I want to look 12 all the time? No.. but I don't have control over the image. I don't always get to pick what I will wear or how my make up looks.. I took a long break one time because I viewed pictures of myself that really had me convinced I was 10. I remember calling my mom saying, "I feel like I am adding to the next generation of child molesters." This was really discouraging. Truth is.. most of the images you see of me don't really depict how I look in actuality. due to the hair/make-up.. style whatever. To make myself feel better, I hire my own photographers, get my own copyright, and market my image in a way that makes me feel better. (like my recent stuff I shot in Malibu)and it's okay that I'm not making money off of the truth.. This may come off as shallow.. but it can be really annoying not having control and seeing your name and pictures posted all over the place .. that some retarded, colorblind director shot.. with terrible lighting.. and again no control over the images put out there. Now, I throw fits when I get dressed like a retard (not matching ect.. and usually for some amateur director).. if they want me to look retarded, they should pay me more. I realize these people don't give a shit because its not their face or name.. but you would think they'd care about quality. That's the biggest frustration. Directors don't impress me by the fancy location they booked or what kinda car you drive.. if you want to impress me, have some good lights, let my background match, and for god's sake, don't dress me like a retard. Now.. of course there are other reasons.. like love, college, careers.. and so forth.. but I thought I'd throw some things out there that maybe other people didn't list.
Yep, the above poster is right. Today's young porn girls are only in it for the short haul. To make some quick cash and use the money for something better. Which isn't bad. "Pornstars" in the 70's and 80's were looking to make a career out of it and retire when they felt it was time. A few girls today still make a career out of it though, Aurora Snow comes to mind. But most like on BangBros are here one day and gone the next. I think tons of girls try it and then find out it just isn't what it appears to be. Let's face it, porn movies have changed since the eighties. They are not about storyline and good sex scenes anymore. Most are about humiliating the woman. I was watching 'Amber aroused' the other day with Amber Lynn. They just don't make porn like that anymore. Good are the good old days I guess. Edited by - john5527 on 6/16/2009 10:58:56 AM
Hannah, I've been a fan of yours going back a few years now, not because you look 12, but because you are an exceptionally beautiful woman, who happens to be slender, seemingly enjoys anal sex and has that "spark" that keeps me interested in your next release (as it were). At 6'10", I've longed preferred women closer to six-feet tall rather than closer to five-feet tall. To my point, you obviously have strong feelings about being portrayed as a legal-by-a-few-hours micro-teen(Hell, I looked at the Brazzers photo gallery of you at iafd.com and you are first sucking a lollipop followed by you holding a stuffed monkey while getting fucked. Teen-much?). I wonder, do you ever talk to other performers about your dissatisfaction on being portrayed as a micro-teen (outside these forums)? Is this a general topic of discussion? Do directors, filmmakers, etc., ever say they wish they could stop shooting this genre but cannot since it is a cash machine? Obviously, it is a HUGE genre - perhaps the single biggest theme in adult DVD sales (I'm guessing here) - so it is going to continue, but I am just curious as to how other performers, directors, people in the biz feel about what you have brought up.....
the only people who really care that this bothers us girls who are portrayed as 13 year old pubesent teens are the occasional females in the industry like make up artists.... "im the girl your mother warned you about"
It's not like it's a huge problem.. most people I vent to about it usually shake their head, nod and laugh in agreement.. or laugh generally. I think it is a typical frustration. It's not like I didn't know then how I would be perceived.. but think about it logically, every girl wants to grow up.. I really look forward to scenes where I get to be a "bad ass".. or at the least play an experienced role. Not some little girl who's innocent and curious about that "little hole".. Those roles are fun, yes, but you have no idea what it feels like to run around in pig tails all day. Imagine switching jobs with me. Only your role is to play the geeky, teen boy with pimples on your face. Maybe they do make-up on you to over dramatize how young you are. You never get called a man, just a little boy. "Do you like that little boy?" Over and over again. Can you imagine wanting to look at that camera and scream "I'm a mad god damn it."... not because you are angry and freaking out.. just because you feel like you have earned to right to call yourself a man, or in my case, a lady. (at least a young lady) Sometimes, you have to beat repetitive hypnosis by screaming "Imma woman god damn it.." Just so you won't forget! But you see, it's comical. It's not unhealthy to feel like that! It's in fact healthy to have any emotion at all... especially in these parts of the forest. I have talked to several people about it.. but it sells. It sells me. and the directors can laugh at this too, because do you think the guys want to see little teeny boppers all day? No! They'd like to shoot some "bad ass" girls too.. so all we can ever do is laugh.. It's just the way it is sometimes, and you have to be thankful no matter what niche you land in.
Bravo...and thank you for your insight. I will confess that I actually bought Barely Legal POV 3 (primarily because I am snatching up any Rebecca Linares POV I can find). The Sindee Jennings scene was just creepy with the whole gumballs, and "its my birthday" motif.
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BTWthat reminded me of the Prisoner: "I'm not a number! I'm a free man!" The Prisoner
Hannah - Having the young girl thing in every "teen" porn is not particularly appealing to me. I've complained about it more than once on the forums. On the other hand, by "bad ass" girls, I hope you don't mean the whole lingerie look. That look is also annoying and "stereotypical porn chick". I like a more natural and casual look. I think women usually look best the way they look every day at the store or at work or wherever. Most women have spent a lot of time cultivating a look that they're happy with and I think that look usually works best because it's them and they're comfortable with it. I think costumes can work but it's hit or miss and it's usually not nearly as refined as the person's everyday look. I think pornographers should give the performers more control over how they look because I think in most cases, it would probably be an improvement and would add much needed variety.
Edited by - randomprecision on 6/22/2009 5:48:15 PM
^ I'm sure it wouldn't always be perfect but you have to admit it would be better than the stupid lollipop and pigtails thing or the lingerie thing in every single movie. Edited by - randomprecision on 6/22/2009 6:31:09 PM Edited by - randomprecision on 6/22/2009 6:31:42 PM
Yeah, I bet that would be pretty hot, since the gal obviously would be more than enthusiastic to be with that person. Oh Directors...this could be an interesting idea. It would be like pro/am, but without the am.
^ Sounds like a super-expensive DVD (and reality porn-ish). I think every girl in the biz would want to be in that. Edited by - xayhoundb on 6/23/2009 1:57:14 AM
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