I don't get it; maybe some of you directors or actors can help me. I hate it when the guy strokes himself off at the finish. I especially hate watching a hot blow job, or hand job, then a second before he cums he takes over and strokes himself off. Why can't she finish him? That's a LOT sexier, at least for me. Same for fucking, why can't she finish him off, instead of him? He pulls out, she places his cock head on her tongue and strokes 'till he spurts. As close as some of the guys get - often a second or two - it seems like they'd cum from her continuing to suck/stroke. LET HER FINSIH THE JOB. So what's the deal with this, huh? It drives me crazy.
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I love America 650 Posts 8/05
Posted - Apr 10 2008 : 2:26AM
I second your opinion. When he pulls out and beats himself off it's always an anticlimax. If they zoom in on his face on top of it all, then it's a wood-killer.
I'm not a director or actor but in my own personal sex life I find it almost impossible to finish unless I give myself a helping hand, no matter HOW great the sex has been.Oh god - surely no-one does this anymore? I used to HATE this back in 80's porn!
As much as I love Peter North, he's done this his entire career. At least with Peter, the pay-off is still worth it. Besides, in the old days, the pan up to Peter tossing his head back before the cumshot was the cue to exit "FF" and hit "Play"
Yeah I could do without all the jerking off. The explanation from what I've been able to gather is that the cum-shot are shot as a stand alone event to insure that it is captured properly. A director posted here that there is a break while things are arranged, cameras and lighting, instructions are given. People are called in to their various work stations and the whacking begins. Of course this isn't true for all production but it does seem to be the template with minor variation that is followed by most directors. It has gotten better in black on black porn notably porn from Justin Slayer has a minimum of male masturbation to climax.
loz wrote: I'm not a director or actor but in my own personal sex life I find it almost impossible to finish unless I give myself a helping hand, no matter HOW great the sex has been. _________________________________________________________________________________ Wow. That's amazing. I've never had a problem with a chick getting me off. You really can't fuck a chick and cum? Poor you. Suck me, stroke me, I'll cum; and I can definitely cum from fucking. As far as "setting up the shot," then why can't they let him stroke until he's a few seconds away, then let her take over and finish him? Then cut out the stroking part. Anyway, we've all seen a zillion scenes where they DON'T cut away, she gets on her knees, and he strokes off on/in her mouth. Zillions. If he can do it, I don't understand why she can't do it.
I couldn't agree more. I think that our relationship with directors should be a bit more adversarial in that what we want and what they want are not the same. It run parallel and seldom meet. Cutting to the guys cum-face was a method used to solve a technical issue, director were married to until fan objections forced them to look for another way to solve the problem,and so it will be with male masturbating themselves. I think that cum shots for the most part should result from what ever sex act is being performed. Rather than all roads lead to a guy jerking off. I was regurgitating a partial explanation posted on this board. I suspect the real reason is that it is the easy camera friendly way to get it done.
The explanation that I've heard is that the guys get so habituated to their own hands, they _can't_ come any other way. Yet, that doesn't account for the guys who are able to perform in "Creampie" scenes, but still jerk off for "normal" cumshots. So hmmm. Maybe it's all a conspiracy of asexual aliens attempting to brainwash us into a species whose only only sexual outlet is masturbation? Today, pull out and jerk off, tomorrow, just skip straight to the jerking off? (cue eerie them music) Edited by - chaotic_23 on 4/10/2008 5:47:59 PM
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Posted - Apr 10 2008 : 6:06PM
Because they're poofs. Just watch Steve Holmes and Michelle Wild, he's like wanking for 5 minutes....and Michelle is there. I mean WTF? I'd cum 1 week prior to the shoot just knowing I'll be banging Michelle in a week!
I love creampie scenes! I also prefer the girl suck or jerk me of instead of jerking myself. But most directors prefer the guys doing it for the precision of aiming! Steve Holmes
Steve Holmes said: But most directors prefer the guys doing it for the precision of aiming! ______________________________________________________________________________ Huh? A girl can't aim a cock?
I don't know, but as a female porn fan, I hate it too! It's not hot. I want to see sex, not glorified wanking. I also hate unnecessary male ass shots or cuts to faces during climactic moments (and there are too many face close-ups in g/g porn too). I don't understand why directors do this stuff.
I guess I always thought that maybe it was a little more difficult in general for the girl to jerk the guy off herself. The guys maybe knowing their own rhythm can make themselves come faster than if a girl did it. But Steve says its a director's choice. Interesting. I had no idea.
The guys do it, because they're not actually aroused from the sex, so they have to force themselves to cum manually. Jazz Duro doesn't seem to have this problem, and his camerawork doesn't seem to suffer in the slightest from there being no pause in the action to set up for the cumshot. I don't think it's terribly important for the cumshot to be perfectly framed in the picture anyway, so long as you see most of what is going on. I also don't get why they immediately cut as soon as the last drop leaves the air. There are two things that can typically be done after a good cumshot: 1) Linger on the girl for a while and show the aftermath from several angles, have her lick some of it up, etc. 2) The girl gives the guy a long, slow, sensual blowjob to slowly wind down the scene, as the cum runs down her face, tits, whatever.
-Cum dodgers -An impatient director who just wants to get it done and go home. -A diva chick who just wants it over with, and unwilling to do anything. -Some guys are just too desensitized and no amount of sucking/fucking would do it. There are ways around it but these are some of the most common factors I've seen. And in my opinion the cut to the guys face should be banned for ever. I still argue with a producer friend about this, who says it's the only way it makes sense for a cut-away. I say it's just a lack of creativity, you could always focus on her rubbing her clit or ANYTHING. Tommy Byron's cum face has traumatized me for life. www.makemoneyfucking.com
Friends - +1. For me, in porn, it's about the splashdown, with the facial being the most desirable. That aspect can't be left to the girl. Out of instinct or reflex, she's not likely to pull that off correctly if she has control of the cumshot. I don't like the interminable jerk-to-pop where the girl grows a beard while waiting for the guy to launch either, but at the moment of truth I want the guy to be handling the throttle. BSD
+1 to BSD's post. The guys who complain incessantly about this particular aspect of porn must be able to cum if a woman breathes on them or something. Most of us mere mortals know why the guys finish themselves.
Porn studs spend the entire shoot trying to be inconspicuous. Most times he appears as a anonymous pelvis positioned at 90%to his partner, appearing to fuck around a corner. Than at the end of every scene no matter what the action was before, he fills the screen, wanking for all he's worth. You guy that like facials wont be missing anything, it will never go away its a porn tradition. The idea is not to have each and every scene end with the guy jerking himself. It doesn't add to the fantasy it takes away the idea that the girl, the reason we buy porn, is hot. we suspect that porn is a meeting of two jaded professional once again going thru the motions. Nothing bring that idea home more than a guy jerking off to end each scene
Exactly. Watch the Krystal Steal (notorious cum dodger, but holy heck is she hot!) scenes in Flesh Hunter 1 and 4. Now imagine if she took control of JJ's cock for the eruption. That cum would be going everywhere, just not near her face. I don't want "Facials: The All Chin Edition!". I want to see a beautiful face that's been splattered.
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Posted - Apr 11 2008 : 12:03PM
Fabulous-Looking Women Look So Fucking Cute With Semen On Their Face Women Will Miss Their Own Face On Purpose Men Always Take Aim To Propel Every Last squirt and dribble onto a gorgeous starlet's face One need only to watch Peter North's "Deep Throat This Series" to appreciate the artistry of defilement by ejaculation Never Seen 1 Woman Give Herself An Even Halfway Decent Faci
A few people have already said it, some men are desensitized. Another user also stated "that there is a break while things are arranged, cameras and lighting, instructions are given." Somewhat true, often times people stop shooting, re-light for stills, take sex stills, take a five minute break, and before you know it...it's been 20 minutes since you were "in your groove". I think the primary reason is due to "male enhancements"; it's well known within the industry that a large percent of men who use any form of enhancement often have times take longer or have problems ejaculating (barely any cum). Go ahead, try it...if you're a guy and (that presumably gets sex often) you've never taken a stimulant...pop two viagra, have sex for 30-60 minutes and see how long it takes you to come...
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Posted - Apr 12 2008 : 7:02AM
Maybe some of us just want porn to be better made. Just because some have an obsession with facials doesn't mean that every single fucking scene needs to end this way, that kind of formula is what is why so much porn is shit.
Although I agree with Sasha's reasoning, I implore people not to take the advice that she's given above. Please don't take two Viagra. You're head (the one that's between your two ears) will explode. Depending on which version of Viagra you have (50mg or 100mg), if you want to test Sasha's theory, take a 50 mg dose (or less). Viagra pills work just fine if they are cut into halves or quarters.
Yeah, I would think 200mg of Viagra could be REAL bad for you. Headaches, congested nose, possible ear or eye risks (very low, but apparently real)...don't try this! Small amounts work just fine.
It isn't. Creampie porn is available. I don't want every scene to end with a creampie any more than some of you want every scene to end with a facial. I'm not even that fond of facials. I like oral cumshots where the chick opens her mouth and the dude shoots the cum into her mouth. Facials actually annoy me when none of the cum goes in the mouth. Obviously, most guys don't produce a lot of spunk so I like to see what little there is go where I want to see it.
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Posted - Apr 12 2008 : 11:41PM
My favourite scenes are where the woman finishes the guy off - far, far better than the guy jerking off. There are plenty of them out there (although not enough) it just takes some looking. There's a post on the blog area of my site with a dozen or so web scenes where it happens and there's a few DVD's that have it. The POV Casting Couch series has a few scenes featuring oral creampies during the girls blowjob and also one that I can remember is Sammie Rhodes in Student Sluts For Facials. Edited by - AWMDB on 4/12/2008 11:44:16 PM
Um I think the point being made was V can make it hard for people to cum... hence more guys smashing themselves senseless. [o\|] www.makemoneyfucking.com
Yeah I think you've hit the nail on the head. Viagra makes it easy for an unaroused guy to get and maintain an erection, but it doesn't actually make him aroused, so when it comes time for him to cum, he's got nothing to show for that half hour of humping her. As one of the other guys pointed out in a different thread, the true cumshot professionals probably masturbate or fuck their girlfriend before going on set, but they don't let themselves cum. Then all it takes is fucking any pussy to send them over the edge and make them shoot a load that's for the highlight reel. I'm guessing another reason guys tend to finish themselves is because the girls are often shockingly bad at stroking a guy off and maximizing his volume -- often, when given the opportunity, the new girls will get "deer in headlights" at the sight of that first spurt and their hand will freeze, no matter how much the guy yells at her to stroke, stroke, for the love of God, stroke my fucking cock during the money shot! Sasha, you seem like a smart chick in the Avy Scott tradition -- have you actually put effort into learning how to stroke a guy off on camera? You seem like the sort of girl whose hands could actually make a guy look good.
Yeah, I prefer jerking a guy off...but surprisingly enough it can be hard to aim. You never know what the guy "pops" like, does it dribble, or fly? LOL so it can be difficult, but I do prefer it. the fuck junkie ♠
I like it better when the girl finishes the guy off. Lots of times I just don't get the dude having to masturbate when it appears that he doesn't have to while the girl is right there working him off. Directors need not dwell on perfect facials, even if the aim will be off let the girl take over. Or let him masturbate while the record button is off and then record when he's ready and let her do it. I don't care where the cum ends up if it's at least right next to the girl's open mouth. But if the guy must masturbate to get off, at least let there be immediate postcum head afterwards and lots of it.
What needs to happen is for you to get paired up one-on-one with Jazz Duro. The combo of his enthusiasm and Rocco-nastiness with your attitude and love of anal would be perfect. Then he'd do one of his trademark no-hands cumshots all over your body, but rather than let him jerk a second load on your face, you should grab the stick and finish him yourself... and make sure you keep jerking him off long after he's spent.
Unless you're Peter North or Jamie Gillis. If the girl is a cum dodger, the safest place for her to be is directly under JG when he is frantically jerking to a pop. He gets it everywhere except what is right if front of him. North isn't that bad, but he's no marksman either.
Allergy medication has effected me. I can go on and on, fucking and getting head and everything else. But it can be very hard to finish. I end up stroking to finish alot of the time. I get right there and feel like I am ready to explode but it doesn't happen. Luckily my wife doesn't mind or take offense to it. We turn it into something fun for her. Like Ill rub my knuckles across her nipples while I yankin. She loves hot cum on her tits. But if I am unmedicated, its the same as I used to be, concentrating on maintaining and holding out as long as I can. I feel for the guys sometimes because they are expected to be hard for hours at a time, and I think there brains get over stimulated, as they are so good at not cumming. Then the script says its time to finish. I cant attest to the Viagra thing. I am afraid to try it. I raises the blood pressure and constricts the blood vessels near the heart.
Here's a funny fact, I fucked a few guys in scenes that have a porn rule with their spouses that "no one else can make them cum". So they will cut right when the pop shot is due,go in a corner and stroke it,get to the point of popping,come back in my pussy ,action for like 2 seconds,and pop.When it's a bj scene,they'd cut,stroke it,get to the point of popping,action,i'd suck it for a second,they'd pull out and cum on my face.Weirdest thing.Totally robbed me of my enjoyment of the scene.Anyone else heard or seen this?
Girls who can accurately aim a load straight into their mouth without spilling too much should IMO get double paid. That is apparently highly unique skill in porn.
Malanie it is the Weirdest thing. A director that would allow such a thing is robbing us all, and is perpetrating a fraud. Malanie Scott is hot, and ready to get him off any way he wants and the male talent in a corner jerking off. That is fucked up right there. Why would someone working under this kind of constraint be hired?
I don't know,I guess I have to be respectful of other peoples personal decisions,but uuummmm this is pornography.I get off on making a man cum and losing control.That's hot to me.I don't like calculation in sex.
on the other hand male talent are hired to keep it hard and pop on command...so I shouldn't complain if I don't get off everytime,they are doing their jobs well.
It is part of the job description for a male talent to turn off his brain when it comes to stimulation. So it should be expected that he may have to switch gears and turn it all back on again when its time to pop. If I were the "girlfriend" of the guy, I would be more concerned about what infections he might be bringing home and less about what or who gets him off. But the female emotional roller coaster knows no bounds. melaniescottxxx - If it ever comes up again were you don't think you are causing the guy you are with to lose control, remember there are hundreds of guys who will be losing control right in there own homes for the next few years watching you do your thing. And we love you for doing it to us!
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