Nope. Here's what I think. Blowjobs and cunnilingus require different camera positions, where the cameras should be pointing in opposite directions actually. If you try to shoot one like the other, ie. your wife shooting you as if you were giving her a blowjob, it doesn't work that well.
For cunny, the camera should be behind the guy's head, thus showing the cunt frontally, ie. as much as possible, and obscuring the man's face, ie. showing him as little as possible, preferably reducing him to an anonymous cheekbone, and incidentally from this angle one can zoom out to frame her face looking down at her cunny being eaten (not much of this kind of clever framing is done, most shooters don't frame at all, they just point at things one thing at a time thinking that random camera movement will yield a 360 view but what it does is shatter the picture into thousands of little pieces).
For blowjobs the camera is placed infront of the girl's head, naturally we want to see her face and the mouth-cock dynamic, not the back of her bobbing head.
It is about face/gential exposure:
cunny: minimizing his face/maximizing her cunny blowjob: maximizing her face/his cock
Only applies to b/g of course.
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Eric381 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 22 2006 : 6:23PM
mod note: snipped, so me post below
So back to the topic @ hand maybe? We've gone from a discussion on oral sex to debating whether adult performers & prostitutes carry any similar merits, legal or moral...and even more woulda-coulda-shoulda's? WTF, over?
An attempt to get back to the topic probably shouldn't be prefaced by trolling bait in front of realtip. SO, take it to email if you think you've really got a point worth making.
If the camera is behind the guy's head then the vagina is going to be obscured. The shot needs to be from the side, with pans and cuts to keep the viewer aware of the gal's reaction. More importantly, what the guy does should convey a sincere desire to give pleasure, and not just perfunctory nod to it.
My usual rap on this topic is this: for a generation or so now--let's say post-Max Hardcore--the wall-to-wall/all-sex porn genres have been increasingly oblivious to depictions of female pleasure, including any act leading up to or resulting in female orgasm.
So what we have now is a lot of young, passive, robotic "fuck dolls" who exist only to be receptacles for cocks and sperm (or as Max liked to call them, "cock-sockets"). Sexual fulfillment for the female in these videos is insignificant, and certainly never pursued. Any acts that show the female as anything but an obedient slave to the desires and fulfillment of the man or men in the scene fucks up this fantasy recipe. So they don't often occur, except in those cases where a female performer is actually aroused by this type of role-playing.
On the other hand, most of the women who work as models in hardcore these days are perfectly happy not to pursue their own pleasure in front of the camera--they have no interest in kissing their co-stars, let alone sharing real orgasms with them (or the viewer). So the idea of being eaten out is as pointless to them as it is to the studs or the director; there is an unstated understanding that this isn't about female orgasm to begin with (that, of course, has become its own specialty genre in porn). Also, many of these girls are very young, and seem to be pretty out of touch with their own bodies during the action. And they can't be in touch with their co-stars' bodies too easily, because the men are only disembodied penises (you may notice that in current wall-to-wall, women rarely kiss, lick, bite, or caress their partner's bodies during the action--except for their cocks).
Add to that the practice of making the girls only look at the camera rather than their partner during the scenes, and you have the formula for what I call Cock Chauvinist porno. The test for whether you are watching a practitioner of CC (for short) porno is simple: once the explicit action begins (skip the tease stuff), the erect cock must be in the center of the shot at all times. It can never leave the center of the screen no matter what happens, and the only time from this point till the conclusion of the scene that we can see the girl's pussy, face, tits, ass, or any other part of her anatomy is when it is attached to that cock.
(Obviously, I'm painting with a broad brush here, so forgive me for the exceptions you can think of in the wall-to-wall marketplace; on the other hand, I would guess that most of the best scenes you've watched in wall-to-wall porn departed from this formula? Unless, of course, this is the fantasy you watch porn to see.)
By the way, if the girls in these videos are "whores," it is because they have traded in their own pleasure and orgasm for the role of being a cock attachment. That, rather than taking money for sex, has become the criteria for "whores" in porn these days.
I read all the posts and came to the conclusion that a new series of gonzo should be created just involving cunnilingus. Call it "Cunnilingus Vol. 1, 2,3, etc..."
Any guy would start in it; and the first scene would be an interview asking if the female pornstar likes cunnilingus and how she like to have it! Second scene would be to introduce the male pornstar into the segment. Third scene would be to have the male slowly remove the clothing from the female but have the female display her assets while doing it! The male would not remove any of his clothing. First position is kneeing while the female is standing spreaded out wide. Second position is sitting on top of the male - head. Third and final is female on back; male on all fours with arms wrap around legs and mouth between legs - munching away!
Lazerus, great post. You hit the nail on the head with the girl being a cock attachment. Yesterday I saw a short clip from the 70s, with Kay Parker. My, was porn different then.
As a woman I worry about the wellbeing of the female talent in alot of the scenes they shoot nowadays. That is not exactly what turns me on :), but appearantly men like the circus acts, because they show how far a nasty girl will go to get herself some cock. I don't get it, but I'm not in the target group anyway.
Exactly. I also love to see the eye contact between the two. Although I prefer the G/G-kind, I assume the same goes for others regarding B/G. It's just like a good BJ, it's not as hot if the girl closes her eyes. Or if she looks up while he stares at the roof as I've seen in some movies. I want to see some connection between the two.
Maybe so, but I thought that since I used the word whore so loosely it wouldn't be taken very seriously. My opinion on the regular porn-watching guy stands though... I mean, what's up in this world when people don't give a shit who's getting fucked for their viewing pleasure?
But we all seem to agree on more cunnilingus for everyone.
"More" isn't enough, it also has to be "Better". Most of the pussy eating in porn is just ineffectual tongue waggling that no-one could possibly get off on. Of course, with _good_ cunnilingus, neither tongue nor genitals are particularly visible, since they're jammed so close together. Maybe the directors figure that realism and (hopefully) authentic female pleasure is a fair exchange for more gynecological visibility?
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Posted - Apr 16 2010 : 2:57AM
I was reading statistics about the type of sex performed in bordellos in Reno, and men performing oral sex on the woman ranks very low. Is it a rare event with most couples also? I bumped this old post because I enjoy watching the expressions of a woman receiving this pleasure, and I hope studios will continue to include these scenes in their titles.
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Stalag Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 5 2010 : 10:18AM
Seriously, I can't remember seeing a porn girl with an expression on her face.
Nonsense. Really depends on what you like and how it's done. Though I guess I'd rather see two women doing it than a man and a woman but personally, as long as they're both reasonably attractive and it's done well, I'd rather it be there than not. The biggest problem seems to be the way it's shot and the angles. A lot of porn flicks seem to be made with one camera that either hardly moves or shows everything from the standard porn angles that you see in every porn flick. Makes no sense to me why they don't use at least two cameras in every porn flick and actually try to get interesting angles. There are good angles for this IF you're into it. It's always been a major turn on for me and so I do find it interesting to see. Edited by - randomprecision on 2/4/2011 2:56:54 AM
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the unknown pervert Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 4 2011 : 9:25AM
To answer the original question, for one thing it would make the Wesley Pipes and Nick Mannings of Chatsworth actually have to shut up during a scene. Oh I suppose they could keep talking but the whole thing would come out Hmmph, Pfudhn, Snsaojhv, Iefldi and no one would be able understand them so they would not be the center of attention so in their mind there would be absolutely no need of this in the scene. Side note on this thread: There are a lot of MIA classic ADT female posters in this thread.
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Clams Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 4 2011 : 9:43AM
Dude face is a major turn off. Why I can't watch Adriano vids. He loves dude face.
"I'm Not Here To Suck My Own Cock!" 2145 Posts 5/10
Posted - Feb 4 2011 : 9:13PM
There certainly way more pussy eating going on today then say twenty years ago. When girls started shaving their bushes, it became way more common in porn. There aren't too many movies I have watched with the likes of Riley Steele or Jesse Jane don't get their snatched worked over by a guy's tongue. One of the signature moves of guys like Manuel Ferrera is fucking away and then pulling out and immediately going down on the girl. I'm sure the reason he does this is he is about ready to nut. I many times rather be watching a guy eating a beautiful spread open pussy then see an seemingly endless boring blowjob. I get to see my dick every day so seeing a pussy is way more stimulating. One thing I wish there was more of is a good old "69" in scenes. That way you get the best of both worlds as the camera moves from one to the other.
How do you know this? Simply because dude face is there in his vids or do you feel he goes out of his way to accentuate and call attention to dude face at every opportunity?
I always hurt my neck when i eat pussy, too, although I am being sincere but suspect that Larry David is not.
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trout bum Deactivated User
"I'm Not Here To Suck My Own Cock!" 2145 Posts 5/10
Posted - Feb 9 2011 : 9:59PM
I have a great solution if your neck gets sore while eating pussy. Try a side by side 69. Then you have way better access to her pussy and she can be fondling or sucking your dick at the same time if she wants. I would like to see more of this position used in porn.
The simple answer to this question is; because for all I know, that girl already filmed a creampie scen this morning. Aaaaaaah, makes more sense now, doesn't it?
I'm sure some girls in porn have some kind of dirtiness going on down there which is why porn girls aren't very intersted in going down on eachother. Would you want to go down on someone if they might look like they have a yeast infection? yuckkk... Plus, I also think alot of girls in porn really aren't into girls that much but claim to be, mainly for the hot factor and for more $$. If a girl is not really into a girl then she's not going to really care to put her face to much up in her pussy. Just my two cents...
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trout bum Deactivated User
"I'm Not Here To Suck My Own Cock!" 2145 Posts 5/10
Posted - Feb 10 2011 : 10:38PM
Anybody who gets into shooting porn had better be ready to do what the director wants or they will be out of the business in no time. If he says "eat pussy" not much a guy or girl can say. That is what they are being paid for. Shooting porn is a business and not a date. Pornstars are aware of the risks and there is a lot worse things then eating pussy. I certainly don't see guys like Scott Nails of Manuel Ferrera hesitate when it's time to go down on a girl. As many girls as they have eaten out in in their careers, they don't appear to have any weird shit growing on their tongues or lips. You seem to have some kind of hang up about pussy eating but at the same time probably don't mind a bit if a girl blows you come in her mouth.
I doubt it has much to do with the preferences of the girl (or the guy). Though there probably are plenty of females who won't do it. And likely a few dudes too. Still, there's a surprising number of pretty hot performers who won't hesitate to lick dude butthole. Licking pussy couldn't be any nastier than licking some dude's ass. Men are human garbage disposals diet-wise. My guess is that directors just don't want to shoot it for whatever reason. And granted, they're probably going to sell more blowjobs and anal and so forth than cunnilingus
I would venture to surmise that most viewers would rather see intercourse or fellatio than cunnilingus, and furthermore that most of those who do enjoy watching cunnilingus prefer lesbian cunnilingus to "dude face". Ergo, the market for heterosexual cunnilingus is limited, and therefore it is relegated to being part of the "warm-up" act, rather than the main event.
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hoochimama Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 12 2011 : 6:58PM
This is probably why. I love eating pussy, in porn I like seeing girls lick each other's vaginas, I like seeing girls suck dick, I like seeing vaginas getting dicked. However I don't enjoy seeing a guy licking a pussy, I don't even enjoy seeing a girl's "pleasure face" from getting licked by a guy whereas I like seeing her pleasure face from getting fucked.
I well believe this stat, but allow me a contrary position. I do so love eating pussy (yes, an unfelicitous phrase, but at least it's universally understood). This complete sensory experience is truly one of the world's most satisfying pleasures. If I may get hypothetical: I am really old and have been married for 38 years (to the same woman, need I emphasize?). But, if I should suffer the grave misfortune of losing my wife, and if I fail to find a woman willing to bed a rather boring old dork, and if I should become so craving for female companionship that I hire a private contractor in the field ... then yes, I would allocate some of my limited time with her to orally savoring her treasures. It's just one of my sexual needs that makes for a completely enriching experience. Preferably with my loving wife, but in the circumstances described (a lot of ifs, but hardly implausible) I would still want to taste the disinterested pro.
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Clams Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 13 2011 : 5:16PM
I tried to watch Anal Frenzy because the girls are hot. In every scene that involves butt tease, he crams his face in the girls butt and starts making really disgusting sloppy kissing sounds. Then the camera zooms in and goes right up his nostrils while he keeps making the hog slop noises. I've noticed the same routine in some of his other scenes, so I assume he thinks we can't wait to watch his act. Truly gagging.
Alphadachs; you are lucky to have been married for 38 years, but it is a different and dangerous world STD-wise than it was back then. Should you be unfortunate enough to lose your wife, think long and hard before you DATY with a whore.
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trout bum Deactivated User
"I'm Not Here To Suck My Own Cock!" 2145 Posts 5/10
Posted - Feb 13 2011 : 6:02PM
Let's hear one for the girls. My wife is into watching romantic porn as I am. She digs seeing some hunky guy like Scott Nails eating pussy. She says her female friends find it more of a turn on then always watching just cock sucking. She says to much porn is only geared to a male's pleasure and it's great to see guys who want to return the favor after giving her man an amazing blowjob. The comments posted here seem to be from guys who may not get off on seeing pussy eating. There is a huge following of women who do enjoy watching porn and especially when the guy does more to satisfy his woman then just sticking his dick in her. Thank god some studios go out out of their way to produce stuff that appeals to the ladies.
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Capt Easy Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 13 2011 : 6:32PM
There have been 1000s of BJ vids made, 1000s of anal vids, but I can't recall even 1 pussy eating vid. Ever. Why?
Lesbian videos usually feature pussy-eating and toys, but with respect to B/G videos cunnilingus is strictly an appetizer course, rather than an entree. There is a reason that the "money shot" refers to ejaculation, and as long as males are the primary porn audience ejaculation shall remain the "money shot".
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 13 2011 : 10:41PM
Because men don't have vaginas.
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Karloff Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 27 2011 : 11:11AM
They also don't want to watch it.
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trout bum Deactivated User
"I'm Not Here To Suck My Own Cock!" 2145 Posts 5/10
Posted - Feb 27 2011 : 11:46AM
Some guys have to be watching different flicks then me. There is way more pussy eating going on now then in past period.
That's a good question. Some of these girls deserve to have their pussies and eaten, licked and fingerfucked until they pass out. I watched a scene w/ Rachel Roxx recently where the guy totally ignored her pussy? I mean, have you seen Rachel's pussy? It's like a mouth magnet. Don't get it.
