why is european porn better than u.s. porn?

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LILZE Member 77 Posts 3/06	Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 3:49PM i will admit that NOW u.s. companies are starting to make better porn films (i.e.-girls taking and swallowing more than 10 cum shots etc). but the european porn makers were doing stuff like that years ago, and it seems like the u.s. companies are starting to just catch up. its VERY clear that (for example) "ggg" films have influenced american series like "a good source of iron" and "no cum dodging allowed". i understand that there are certain things that are not "obsene" in european countries, that are in the u.s. (like "watersports, scat etc). but why overall does it seem (atleast to me) that european porn film are more "hardcore" than what is produced in the u.s.? im in nyc, and there are some stores that have GREAT stuff to buy, but 95% of it is from europe. it almost like the u.s. porn makers have their "hands tied" when it come to what "type" of films they can make and what "type" they will be arrested for making. european porn seemingly has FEW bounderies. there are things in your "everyday average" european porn film, that u.s. producers just are not "allowed" to do. just compare any u.s. produced ganbang film to euro companies like "ggg" (who's films are not as good as they once were) or "inflagranti". there just is no comparison. i won't even get into some "types" of porn from BRAZIL (like MFX VIDEO). its kind os sad that because of the "cultural climate" of the united states, u.s. porn producers can only go "so far" without being prosectuted by the law. in places like europe, brazil, and japan, ANYTHING (basically) goes. in the u.s., if a porn producer wants to film an extreme film, he better watch out. he might be arrested. does anyone agree with me that european porn is WAY ahead of u.s. porn? im not saying there is no good u.s. porn out there, but OVERALL there is WAY more FREEDOM in european porn than there is in u.s. porn. no wonder i can't find ONE DAM COPY of "piss mops #2" to but in the u.s.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there are things that go on in porn from other countries, that would probably get a porn producer throw in JAIL in the united states. im thinking about moving to the netherlands!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02	Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 4:09PM Most European-based online porn stores feature lots of American product. Aside from the restrictions on American porn, I think you're simply seeing the truth of the old saw that "the grass is always greener on the other side." Of course, if scat or something else that isn't shown in American porn is your thing, then European porn is better simply by default. PS - I own lots of European-made porn and I've scoured a lot of online Euro-based porn shops. There's a TON of truly awful European-made porn out there. [Link]
Redish Poetic Moderator Long and Cursive road to the Ivory Pagoda in the province of Loraine 4076 Posts 12/03	Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 4:10PM I don't know that one is better than the other. That is subjective to the viewer. The European movies seem less inhibited than the American movies, more freedom as you said. But that being a necessarily a good thing depends on the director and what they choose to do with such freedom. To do something for merely the statement, "Look what we can do," isn't sexual at all, as I hope the purpose is. I just think some American directors have learned to do more with less. There will always be those who don't. [Link]
Ejac Deactivated User 851 Posts 9/04	Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 4:26PM This is why I'm partial to foreign product. Lee Iacocca once said "Lead, follow, or get out of the way" (or was that John Thompson?). But it's only a matter of time before you're forced to either follow suit, or go down like those buggy-whip companies. Seriously though, I'm looking forward to what's to come...a lot of US companies have made great strides in producing just about everything...having the ability to shop anywhere in the world...be thankful there's enough variety to go around. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 5:14PM First off let me say that a "European Porn" does not exists. Here's French Porn, Italian Porn , German Porn or Hungarian Porn or wherever Porn , but every country has its proper culture and laws i.e. pissing is obscene in England but is legal in almost the whole continental Europe the most part of BDSM especially the harder is produced and shot in Germany but Germany doesn't allows Bestiality which is legal in Holland , is not formally forbidden in Italy and has been made legal in France in midnineties ,obscenity laws are unknown in continental Europe , all this appears to be legal in Japan either So fisting , pissing , scat , vomit and anything you can think done by willing people is available here with the exception of kiddyporn which is not tolerated at all. whether our porn is better than the American I can't say certainly we have no issues with a lot of things so you can find a fisting scene or even a double fisting scene in a featured movie and so for pissing or even scat I remember an Italian movie entitled "Proposta Oscena" in which Milly D'Abbraccio shits on Bionca and in another scene Debi Diamond has been fisted it was a movie with a story in which Milly played as a Private Eye and was investigating something I don't remember what. [Link]

BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04	Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 5:19PM I disagree with your premise. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 6:46PM My thoughts are pretty much in line with everyone else who responded. I'll just give my opinion with this observation - One possibility is that the whole of Europe probably wouldn't be in a riot over a single exposed breast on a television broadcast. Edited by - randomprecision on 2/3/2007 7:18:22 PM [Link]
Xenomorgue Deactivated User 50 Posts 9/06	Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 9:28PM RandomPrecision wrote: Europe probably wouldn't be in a riot over a single exposed breast on a television broadcast. Click to expand On national television in the Netherlands there is a funny programme about sex and drugs called "spuiten en slikken". They show close-ups of pussies. One item was a girl having her labia pierced. The drugs items are also amusing. There is guy who tries out cocaine, heroin, mushrooms etc on the set and then tells about how it effects him. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 9:50PM BigBobxxx wrote: I disagree with your premise. Click to expand Ditto. You're apparently equating "better" with "more freakish." im thinking about moving to the netherlands!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Click to expand What's stopping you? [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02	Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 10:08PM RandomPrecision wrote: ...the whole of Europe probably wouldn't be in a riot over a single exposed breast on a television broadcast. Click to expand Neither would the whole of America. In fact, I don't recall a single riot over Ms. Jackson's infamous 'wardrobe malfunction.' Nobody got gunned down or stabbed to death in the street over it, either. People were upset because a football game isn't where you expect to see nudity (I'd say T&A but there are those cheerleaders prancing around, ya know). Naturally, the news channels played it for all it was worth. However, if they're your source of "reality" then more fool you. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 10:43PM Hardware wrote: RandomPrecision wrote: ...the whole of Europe probably wouldn't be in a riot over a single exposed breast on a television broadcast. Click to expand Neither would the whole of America. In fact, I don't recall a single riot over Ms. Jackson's infamous 'wardrobe malfunction.' Nobody got gunned down or stabbed to death in the street over it, either. Click to expand I was exaggerating (a little). It was a pretty big deal, considering that it was only about two inches of skin. People were upset because a football game isn't where you expect to see nudity Click to expand Well, the spectacle of the Superbowl is obscene in and of itself if I've ever seen it. And I get the feeling that a lot of Americans don't expect to see or hear about nudity anywhere......considering the fact that there's always a mob of people who want to shut down a tittie bar they've never even been to or prevent people they've never met from watching porn. I was just commenting that Europe (in general) seems to have a more relaxed attitude about sex. I just can't imagine an exposed boobie causing much of a stir in most parts of Europe...not to the extent to which it did here anyway. (I'd say T&A but there are those cheerleaders prancing around, ya know). Naturally, the news channels played it for all it was worth. However, if they're your source of "reality" then more fool you. Click to expand I'm not sure how else I'd know what's going on halfway across the country. It wasn't just a big deal on the news, either. There were people all over the internet who were up in arms about it, moaning about how it was the end of civilization as we know it, fire and brimstone and all kinds of stuff. Yeah...I know the internet isn't exactly the best source of info either but it's a pretty good window into what people are really thinking. Edited by - randomprecision on 2/3/2007 10:44:16 PM [Link]
Xenomorgue Deactivated User 50 Posts 9/06	Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 11:08PM LILZE wrote: "im thinking about moving to the netherlands!!!!!" Harri Patel: "What's stopping you?" I see a wonderful deal between the USA and the Netherlands. For each leftist/hippie/pacificist you send to our country, we will gladly give you a right-winger in return. [Link]
Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07	Posted - Feb 4 2007 : 9:52AM Ejac wrote:Seriously though, I'm looking forward to what's to come...a lot of US companies have made great strides in producing just about everything...having the ability to shop anywhere in the world...be thankful there's enough variety to go around. Click to expand First I don't consider that porn. It's a Freak Show. If porn goes in that direction I'll quit buying porn. [Link]
maverickuk Member 14 Posts 4/06	Posted - Feb 4 2007 : 1:45PM We have this same discussion over here in UK, but about why American porn is better. [Link]
Dr. Nasty Senior Member Asa Akira.....Damn! 3797 Posts 9/05	Posted - Feb 4 2007 : 5:44PM Can't say I agree with that one. I mean look at the companies we have. Jules Jordan Video Evil Angel Elegant Angel Digital Playground Platinum X Pictures Zero Tolerance Third Degree Films That is awesome talent and direction listed there folks. There is some good Euro shit out there, but man American porn is at the top. At least IMO. [Link]

jh30 Member 149 Posts 4/03	Posted - Feb 5 2007 : 1:46AM Dr. Nasty wrote: look at the companies we have. Jules Jordan Video Evil Angel Elegant Angel Digital Playground Platinum X Pictures Zero Tolerance Third Degree Films Click to expand whats the difference between all these us companies? they all make the same old boring porn with no varience. European porn is far more varied and creative. In the u.s a porn film will be heavily marketed to feature (for example)domination or latex but when you watch it, its just the same girls wearing a latex thong that gets taken off after 1 minute and on with the same old boring routine sex. In europe if you want latex, domination, panties, uniforms, watersports, bukakke etc ...you get it! [Link]
HarryWild Member Make me believe 622 Posts 2/05	Posted - Feb 5 2007 : 4:32AM The U.S. has the lead in controlling companies in porn worldwide. Companies like Evil Angel (Evil Empire), Vivid, Hustler, etc... have worldwide production and distribution that incorporates European porn into its productions and vise verse. Most European porn companies don't have distribution in the U.S. unless it is carried through a U.S. distribution company which produces the video in some form or shape at the start. There are exceptions; maybe Private but I not sure of their distribution; so I cannot say. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Feb 5 2007 : 9:50AM Dr. Nasty wrote: Can't say I agree with that one. I mean look at the companies we have. Jules Jordan Video Evil Angel Elegant Angel Digital Playground Platinum X Pictures Zero Tolerance Third Degree Films That is awesome talent and direction listed there folks. There is some good Euro shit out there, but man American porn is at the top. At least IMO. Click to expand These are labels but lots of directors are Europeans i.e. Rocco, Toni Ribas, Nacho Vidal, Christophe Clark , Jean Yves Le Castel and many others I can't recall at this time plus those produced in Europe such as Antonio Adamo, Salieri, Nicky Ranieri, Joe D'Amato (R.I.P.) And the Clubseventeen productions which are the best barely legal producers ever Anyway a good porn depends on the actresses and the actors but mostly on actresses a good actress such as Jenna Haze can turn a bad flick into a must have and so is for Annette Schwarz or Belladonna and many others. There isn't American porn is Better than European nor the contrary they are different it is only like a change of meal from what we are used to eat [Link]
Gunzo Senior Member 1377 Posts 2/05	Posted - Feb 5 2007 : 2:29PM Europorn has some extreme shit and stunning girls, but when it comes to production quality they're years behind. For me production quality is more important than fisting and watersports. I would watch it in a good production though. [Link]
Seymour Asses Member 46 Posts 8/05	Posted - Feb 5 2007 : 4:38PM I agree with Gunzo. Too often european porn movies are below average in term of filmmaking : you know the lighting, the camera work, editing... [Link]
khyber Member 197 Posts 5/06	Posted - Feb 5 2007 : 8:04PM There probably is more freedom in European porn than American porn. If you're really into the unusual stuff, then European porn has some good movies. But for me, American porn really changed when the gonzo movies started to come into the market. I saw a lot of improvements in camera work, lighting, length of scenes, etc. One of the biggest influences that I saw from European porn was the male porn stars. Guys like Manual Ferrera and Steve Holmes showed how good a scene could be when the male porn stars really knew their stuff. [Link]
gato Member 193 Posts 3/05	Posted - Feb 5 2007 : 9:41PM There's alot of great American porn from directors like Jules Jordan, Brandon Iron, Chico Wang, etc. But for the kinky stuff, let's not forget the Japanese porn. From the human condom girl, to girls completely covered in sperm walking outside in public, to faces submerged in a bowl of cum, the Japanese know how to party. Just check out the screenshots at http://www.japansm.com. [Link]
illmatic Member 194 Posts 9/06	Posted - Feb 5 2007 : 10:16PM Opinions and assholes. I have seen plenty of good amateur European porn, and amateur is always my preference, but I have seen good amateur stuff from both sides of the Atlantic, so I won't make a judgment there. But If we are talking studio porn, I wholely disagree. From what I've seen, I generally prefer American studios. Call me boring, but I just don't have any interest in fisting, pissing, trannies, or whatever crazy shit that supposedly makes Euro porn more cutting edge than American porn. And I'm unbiased as I didn't grow up in either of these places. Now I certainly do prefer the look of the European women. Silvia Saint, Monica Sweetheart, Laura Lion, and Angel Dark and I could go on. In fact most of my faves are Eastern European women. I guess I'm not big on the fake boobs, fake tans, and ugly tattoos that a lot of the American starlets tend to have. [Link]
Steve Holmes Senior Member 1235 Posts 12/02	Posted - Feb 5 2007 : 11:19PM khyber wrote: ... One of the biggest influences that I saw from European porn was the male porn stars. Guys like Manual Ferrera and Steve Holmes showed how good a scene could be when the male porn stars really knew their stuff. Click to expand First of all, thank you for the compliment. But funny enough "American Porn" gave us the freedom to be what we are. They let us do whatever we want. If it goes "over the top" they just cut it out later. Steve Holmes [Link]
THE SQUIRT JET Deactivated User 15 Posts 2/07	Posted - Feb 6 2007 : 12:46AM I love European porn all the way!!! They have something that American porn lacks..its called EROTICNESS...something to arouse your sexual curiousity...one theme in porno , I really love today ..is the lesbian piss drinking/ lesbian strap on dildo sex action..oh man, American porn studios like Elegant Angel, Filco, JM Productions , Coast To Coast and many more simply cannot and will not make the kinds of hardcore all-girl watersports videos that European, German companies have made for years...like Hightide Videos, MFX videos...they just make the best in lesbian piss drinking and swallowing!!! Simple hot and sexy and its not some dramatic film..its just hardcore gonzo lesbian porn the way Americans should make it...If only the cowards who produce porno in the USA would have some courage and real talent to give us the best in wet lesbian piss watersports/ lesbian strap-on fucking...the only few lesbian videos that come close to this standard are LESBIAN BUKKAKE ( JM ) SQUIRTING SHOWERS VOL 1 ( DANIS HARDCUT/ PUREPLAYMEDIA ) AND THATS IT . Oh well continue to watch your boring lazy American porn...THERES NO HOPE FOR HARDCORE PORN IN THE STATES :) [Link]

Ejac Deactivated User 851 Posts 9/04	Posted - Feb 6 2007 : 8:28AM illmatic wrote: Now I certainly do prefer the look of the European women. Silvia Saint, Monica Sweetheart, Laura Lion, and Angel Dark and I could go on. In fact most of my faves are Eastern European women. I guess I'm not big on the fake boobs, fake tans, and ugly tattoos that a lot of the American starlets tend to have. Click to expand As nasty as I like it, I still prefer a soft woman. Having drive is good, but soft nonetheless. Maybe that's what makes the nastiness that much more nasty? [Link]
biff Member 10 Posts 3/07	Posted - Mar 8 2007 : 10:48AM Most of my favorite pornstars are American there are some real Euro hotties but the quailty of the porn is inconsistent.I guess it depends on your taste.I find most of the Euro girls don't seem into it in alot of the scenes,there's also the language barrier thing if I can't understand her the scene is just not going to be as hot. [Link]
Lange Member Make Gapes not War 230 Posts 3/04	Posted - Mar 8 2007 : 12:44PM I think eastern european porn stars are better because they are more beautiful and the fact that they don't talk as much as the americans is great IMO. I think most female american porn stars ruin the scene with their dirty talk. They just repeat the same line again and again. It's annoying and I have to turn the volume down. Some dirty talk is ok but sometimes I wonder if these girls know that I can actually see what they are doing, they are not on the radio or something. I would prefer if the girl focused on the sex with the guy instead and showed us she liked the sex by using her body instead of using her mouth. [Link]
caroline-NL Member 543 Posts 3/07	Posted - Mar 9 2007 : 4:26PM Dear LILZE and others, I smiled reading your comment. I am living in the Netherlands and the golden age of liberalism is long gone. Many laws were changed in 2003 and all of the european laws will be generalized. Because US government put many pressure in forcing the european union to adapt their laws. Some genres are still allowed, but no longer produced. In the near future, almost all european porn will look like US Porn. But I wouldnt say, that US Porn is bad, especially in the last years, many good movies were released ( Michael Raven, some women directing, Nautica Thorn plans to produce sophisticated porn movies ). The sex in US porn is more limited. In the 70s, golden shower was no taboo, but now it is. (why?) You mentioned the german ggg movies. Maybe the sex is rougher, but these are no movies, only sex cabinet loops, they downgrade women and only concede the prejudices, the average woman ( and man ) has of pornography. We need more movies like green door, miss jones, fantasy etc. [Link]
shellshock91 Member Believe and you can Achieve 663 Posts 1/05	Posted - Mar 9 2007 : 10:31PM I'm not sure if it's better overall, but it does have more passionate sex. Every performer in a Euro Sex scene appears to be enjoying themselves to the upmost. That's really attractive to me. Plus, the cumshots always seem to be stronger in Euro porn. Since there are so many genres associated with American porn, it's just hard to say that Euro porn is ultimately better than American. I like both for too many reasons to name at once. "Two Shades above the rest", - The Secluded Paradyme. [Link]
the unknown pervert Deactivated User I'd like to stay but I've got a plane to catch. 3243 Posts 5/06	Posted - Mar 10 2007 : 10:18AM shellshock91 wrote: I'm not sure if it's better overall, but it does have more passionate sex. Every performer in a Euro Sex scene appears to be enjoying themselves to the upmost. That's really attractive to me. Plus, the cumshots always seem to be stronger in Euro porn. Since there are so many genres associated with American porn, it's just hard to say that Euro porn is ultimately better than American. I like both for too many reasons to name at once. "Two Shades above the rest", - The Secluded Paradyme. Click to expand It seems like there is about a 50/50 opinion on this. Your comment on European girls enjoying themselves more is quite common on threads like this but so is the comment that European girls look bored during the sex. There are two explanations for this. Either everyone is not watching the same movies (my personal opinion) or one side or the other is wrong. FWIW I personally don't see much difference heatwise between Europeans and Americans. I do see a difference in the amount of tattoos and implants with the Americans having far more of both. Whether that is a good thing or not is up to individual tastes. edited because some sleep deprived goof forgot how to spell quite. Edited by - the unknown pervert on 3/10/2007 10:20:16 AM [Link]
WhiteBOY Member 305 Posts 11/06	Posted - Mar 10 2007 : 4:31PM One of the reasons I believe, is that our MALE European performers are far better and passionate than those in the US. Rocco, Nacho, Manuel, Steve Holmes, Franco Roccaforte etc are very good performers, bringing out the best in the female. Also, the Euro-style is not so sleazy and commerse as in the US, it's more (for now, at least) more genuine I believe Edited by - WhiteBOY on 3/10/2007 4:32:46 PM [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Mar 10 2007 : 10:18PM American porn isn't really bad. It's just all the same....which, I guess isn't good. Most American porn has good production values (lighting and so forth) but not much creativity. Probably stems from the fact that pretty much all porn is made by pretty much the same people. Once someone becomes successful in the American porn market, they keep doing exactly the same thing that made them successful until people stop buying it or they get tired of doing it (why mess with a winning formula?). It seems that American pornographers at the lower end mostly watch the top players and copy whatever they're doing. At the same time, the top players all watch each other and copy each other's winning formulas so you get pretty much complete uniformity all the way across and from top to bottom. It's a business and it's ran like a business so organic isn't even in their vocabulary, for the most part. And like it or not, they do have to worry about the government and the laws. They're not gigantic corporations like Microsoft or Wal-Mart. They can't really afford to be defending themselves in court every other week so they have to be careful. I've not seen a whole lot of European porn but what I have seen is likely mostly what is good enough to make it all the way over here. I'm sure some Euro porn isn't so hot. But I've liked what I saw. I think American porn could learn a think or two from Europe and vice versa. [Link]
Steve Holmes Senior Member 1235 Posts 12/02	Posted - Mar 11 2007 : 1:18AM LILZE asked: "why is european porn better than u.s. porn?" Click to expand You could as well ask "why is u.s. porn porn better than european?" and the answer would be the same. There is a lot of crap produced on both sides of the atlantic ocean. But only the better product makes it overseas. Steve Holmes [Link]
swingers Member 6 Posts 3/07	Posted - Mar 13 2007 : 6:00AM Steve Holmes wrote: LILZE asked: "why is european porn better than u.s. porn?" Click to expand You could as well ask "why is u.s. porn porn better than european?" and the answer would be the same. There is a lot of crap produced on both sides of the atlantic ocean. But only the better product makes it overseas. Steve Holmes Click to expand I think so to. www.realswingers.com [Link]

greg Member Thinking real hard about Katsirk 793 Posts 12/06	Posted - Mar 13 2007 : 7:17AM I have always been crazy about women from Eastern Europe. They wear those hills , have thin legs , small tits and no tatoos. I like the way most scenes start with the girl clothed. I love the sex and want it to be porn for sure , but I want to see her walk around clothed for moment . They usually fit like a glove. I also like it when they keep the heels on epecially the ones with the pointed toes that look like the ones russian babes wear. Also to hear them talk dirty with an accent and remind me a former gf , that owns my soul. They make me stupid. [Link]
EllyJaine Member Europe 15 Posts 11/06	Posted - Mar 13 2007 : 12:49PM I don't know for sure if European is better then American. I know that most of the actors that lives and work in Us are from Europe. That because the market is bigger in Us. But i guess we all know that. Elly Jaine www.ellyjaine.com [Link]
Comet Man Member Boston 96 Posts 4/01	Posted - Mar 13 2007 : 3:16PM I think you have to define what you mean by "euro porn". I think it means any (not necessarily all) of these things: 1) more of the extreme stuff (gonzo, etc.) 2) girls w/o overdone boob jobs, tattoos, piercings, etc. 3) girls in sexier (not sluttier) outfits I prefer (2)&(3), aka, Marc Dorcel, Antonio Adamo (Private), etc. You can't get this here except maybe Andrew Blake's studio (Studio A). It sounds like the OP wants more (1) but doesn't really define what (1) is. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Mar 13 2007 : 6:15PM Comet Man wrote: I think you have to define what you mean by "euro porn". I think it means any (not necessarily all) of these things: 1) more of the extreme stuff (gonzo, etc.) 2) girls w/o overdone boob jobs, tattoos, piercings, etc. 3) girls in sexier (not sluttier) outfits I prefer (2)&(3), aka, Marc Dorcel, Antonio Adamo (Private), etc. You can't get this here except maybe Andrew Blake's studio (Studio A). It sounds like the OP wants more (1) but doesn't really define what (1) is. Click to expand I would be happy if they'd just stop with the boob jobs (Good boob job is an oxymoron) and spend a bit more time and energy on makeup and wardrobe. I dunno. Some of the tans in porn don't look exactly....ummm...natural. But I prefer untanned girls anyway. American porn actresses tend to wear outfits that are completely and totally unflattering. They're not sexy. They're not even slutty. They're just....weird. Euro porn isn't exactly the best for this either but they're usually better. [Link]
cypher Member 13 Posts 8/04	Posted - Mar 13 2007 : 6:54PM Lange wrote: I think eastern european porn stars are better because they are more beautiful and the fact that they don't talk as much as the americans is great IMO. I think most female american porn stars ruin the scene with their dirty talk. They just repeat the same line again and again. It's annoying and I have to turn the volume down. Some dirty talk is ok but sometimes I wonder if these girls know that I can actually see what they are doing, they are not on the radio or something. I would prefer if the girl focused on the sex with the guy instead and showed us she liked the sex by using her body instead of using her mouth. Click to expand This is the reason, for me. The girls are better looking and they don't constantly yap. Increasingly in a lot of American porn, the girls aren't just yapping, they are constantly YELLING. The only US-yapper I sometimes enjoy hearing the yapping from is Kelly Wells, b/c the stuff that comes out of her mouth is genuinely comedic. Someone should start a thread quoting her one-liners. It's not erotic though. [Link]
The Zaye Man Zaye Entertainment 136 Posts 12/04	Posted - Mar 14 2007 : 9:02PM having shot in Europe for many years one thing I must say is that Euro girls come to set estically prepared than some talent here in the US. I cannot understand when a girl arrives to set with clothes that look like a wrinkle grenade went off in their suite case, nails half broken and chipped along with toenails and feet in poor condition and a list of conditions before we start? sorry to say but it seems like if you have a p---y and b--bs your a porn star here and to top it off give a lack luster performance just to get by to pay the unemployed b-friend's car payment and the rent. I have shot over 50 scenes in both prague and budapest and maybe I was lucky but the girls I had shot came to set very polished with great wardrobe and never asked (how much longer) I dont know but just an observation in the last 9 years in service. [Link]
The Squirt Fighter Deactivated User 15 Posts 3/07	Posted - Mar 16 2007 : 12:32AM European porn is by far the best :) You want to know why ? Because the women actually enjoy eating pussy, strapping on big dildos and fucking other hot women...to them, its not business as usual....instead its a sport, a hobby American porn has lost its value..its no longer about exploring lesbianism or watersports anymore...its about men fuck women for the big moneyshot and then its over...no wonder so many porn fans are actually traveling to Europe, Germany, Amsterdam, Great Britian, Belgium, France, Russia, Romania, Poland, Iceland, Greenland, Ireland..any nation that ends with the word LAND :) hehehe, lol Its time for the American adult video studios to take notice..MAKE HOT WET HARDCORE LESBIAN STRAP-ON SQUIRTING PORNO inappropriate insults removed by mod Edited by - The Squirt Fighter on 3/16/2007 12:33:09 AM Edited by - scipio on 3/16/2007 2:31:50 AM [Link]
henry.black Deactivated User cyberspace 73 Posts 6/06	Posted - Mar 16 2007 : 1:08AM Squirt Fighter, we don't need just another niche genre crusader here. Don't try to make every topic sound about lesbian strap-on squirting porn...Are you the one spamming the elegant angel forums too? Please, everyone has their fetishes, we don't go about screaming it to other people calling them idiots because they are not like us. If you don't have anything to contribute to the discussion apart from your love for this particular fetish, please do not spam. [Link]
The Squirt Fighter Deactivated User 15 Posts 3/07	Posted - Mar 16 2007 : 1:15AM You sir donot understand my cause....I believe in good pornography..I have to pay for my porn, besides having to pay my taxes. which everyone remember is APRIL 16 THIS YEAR :) So, anyways, since I have to pay for my adult porno dvds and videotapes....I expect these studios to give me the highest quality of adult entertainment....My fetish is only exclusive to me...I know you like it too :) otherwise you wouldnt be replying to me in such a hasty manner...and one more thing..I DONOT SPAM :) you apparently are not a fan of the spam meat products ..thats okay, I love it..especially fried spam on a nice french roll with mayonaise, mustard, tomatos, lettuce, onions ...ummmm sounds good doesnt it ?:) add some chips and a nice cold drink and you got yourself a good meal So to answer your question NO im not the spammer on Elegant Angel. Personally their videos donot interest me , watching the same old squirting between men and women is boring as hell...If more people would speak up against the injustice of having to watching the same boring porn , then maybe I would stop posting inappropriate insults removed by mod Edited by - scipio on 3/16/2007 2:31:27 AM [Link]
Poptop New Member 1 Posts 12/14	Posted - Dec 28 2014 : 6:21PM European porn is not what it use to be. In Germany it is more or less the same what it use to be in the 90's. Many of the 90's stars (I won't name names) from eastern parts of the Europe, back in the days, did also some of the most dirty movies in Germany incl. scat! The trick was, 4/5 movies, of german production, did not feature any names (pornstar names), and there were so many productions going on at the time, so the models did it for nice deals. Today it is more or less the same, so it's really old way distribution, and most try to avoid the internet as much as possible these days, because that's how you find the real stuff - offline. In Czech Republic and Hungary there is a overkill in amout of models asking to do some movies, but not to make them too public. The issue is, they all want to do it, but no name, do not make star out of me, no online etc. So it's like this: pay her everything from a minimum of 50€ and up to whatever you agree and film it and try to sell it as something special on a home-made dvd production - just make sure you do it really good and atractive. Because no one will pay attention to it, there are so many of them on the market (no name stars) movies, so it really got to be the one. You can't even play on the card "I will make more with her", because moste of then who did the movie will say no to more movies, so it's really tuff to find some who really want to do it, or the best way out is to take several scenes with her in the start and then use it over few productions. Then, the agencies are so rubish, high prices, and the models start to act as if they are the next Jenna Jameson. So, it really takes time to do the right ting, to meet the right models (no name models), then to do some typical 90's Europ porn scenes, and then you maybe have a nice movie, but again no stars. One thing is fact these days, most say no to names and promotion, so if you are up to produce movies, you can, but you will more or less make home made movies for yourself, and end-up paying them some money cca. 1.000 - 1.500€ for 4-5 scenes, around 5-6 girls, 2-3 guys and some free of charge nature or abandoned factories, but nor earn any profit with it. I think the style of porno is ruined by the internet. Too many one scene productions about some dudes banging a model in hotel room or van and that's it. Same thing goes on and on in Europe. They try to sell it as, if they just met the girl on the street who is so happy to do a scene for 70€. [Link]
DJboutit2 Member 438 Posts 4/09	Posted - Dec 28 2014 : 11:19PM To me the it has never been that way US porn has always been way better than everywhere else [Link]
Teddy Rattlesnake Senior Member Anti-authoritarian activist 2317 Posts 4/14	Posted - Dec 29 2014 : 8:09AM There are pros and cons about the porn industry everywhere. There's bad photography in high and low budget porn movies. Don't get me wrong, I really love American porn but I like European movies because the girls don't always dress up like strippers or hookers. Euro girls are far less prudish about doing anal, DPs and all the other freaky s*** I'm into. I love to see girls in stylish elegant clothes as well as a girl in jeans and a t-shirt in porn flicks. The typical Hollywood look doesn't do much for me anymore. I love girls with a natural, organic look. [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Dec 29 2014 : 10:28AM I'm glad someone resurrected this old thread because the European porn industry is a lot different now than seven years ago and in many ways it's worse of than it's North American counterpart. To begin with. There are no longer any major studios in Europe except maybe Dorcel but they are mere shadows of their once great selves. Most of the major European countries had at least one porn studio and some had many more than one but can anyone name me another porn studio other than Dorcel who still produces porn movies or is still active? Here is a list of dead (almost dead) studios in no particular order: Colmax, Coppula Production, Magma, Maeva Video, JTC, Harmony Films, Bluebird, Seventeen, Private, Sineplex, Sinsational, Videorama, Mario Salieri, DBM, Showtime, Puaka, Inflagranti, Ben Dover and I'm sure I'm forgetting a ton of them. These were all studios that produced porn just a few years ago but true piracy and the collapse of the Wolrd market were not able to stay afloat. To me the porn industry in Europe today falls under two categories. You have either softcore studios or gonzo studios and few if any in-between. [Link]
tintintin Senior Member 1230 Posts 8/07	Posted - Dec 29 2014 : 4:08PM I love (east) European movies because of things like piss and dirty analplay. I like the outfits, the long legs and the high heels. I don't like (east) European porn because of: -The girls moaning ohhhh and ahhhhhh all the time (because they don't speak a word english) -The girls are more posing than really jumping into the sex. -The girls constantly looking in the camera (LOOK WHAT I'M DOING) -The guys treating the girls like shit in alot of cases -The big lack of lesbian kissing during the ffm scenes. I like USA porn because of: -The little storylines -Beautifull girls -Better productionquality -More choice I don't like USA-porn because of: -The big lack of nasty porn -Most of the scenes nowadays are too clean -No close-ups whatsoever Edited by - tintintin on 12/29/2014 4:11:30 PM [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Dec 29 2014 : 4:31PM ^I used to think that the main reason why the girls in Eastern European only say ohh and ahhh during their scene was because they can't speak English(at least decently) and I'm sure that is part of why they do that but I think that maybe it's not necessarily the only reason. I think they only say that because they are asked to do some pretty unpleasant things almost right from day one and are treated as nothing more than fuck holes to stick dicks in that it renders them incapable of saying actual dialogue because they are too much in pain or disgusted with themselves to voice actual positive dialogue. I think if they said anything than it would be ouch, ouch and get the fuck of me you animal. Of course they keep looking at the camera. They are pleading with the director to see if he will relent. I know I'm exaggerating but I can't imagine those young women really want to get a huge dicked guy or guys to fuck them until their vaginas or asses are so gaped and sore that they will need a week to recuperate. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Dec 29 2014 : 5:55PM ^ actually such things they do even in feature doubled movies , nothing extreme , but consider this even if the female stars speak English for example Gina Gerson , there-s still the male star to consider if he is the one doesn't speak English the scene will still be ruined imagine the actress saying ; yes go deep , and then take my ass! and the guy just pull out to titfuck her because he didn't grasp what she said? Edited by - LCF on 12/29/2014 5:55:44 PM [Link]

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LILZE
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Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 3:49PM

i will admit that NOW u.s. companies are starting to make better porn films (i.e.-girls taking and swallowing more than 10 cum shots etc).

but the european porn makers were doing stuff like that years ago, and it seems like the u.s. companies are starting to just catch up.

its VERY clear that (for example) "ggg" films have influenced american series like "a good source of iron" and "no cum dodging allowed".

i understand that there are certain things that are not "obsene" in european countries, that are in the u.s. (like "watersports, scat etc).

but why overall does it seem (atleast to me) that european porn film are more "hardcore" than what is produced in the u.s.?

im in nyc, and there are some stores that have GREAT stuff to buy, but 95% of it is from europe.

it almost like the u.s. porn makers have their "hands tied" when it come to what "type" of films they can make and what "type" they will be arrested for making.

european porn seemingly has FEW bounderies.

there are things in your "everyday average" european porn film, that u.s. producers just are not "allowed" to do.

just compare any u.s. produced ganbang film to euro companies like "ggg" (who's films are not as good as they once were) or "inflagranti".

there just is no comparison.

i won't even get into some "types" of porn from BRAZIL (like MFX VIDEO).

its kind os sad that because of the "cultural climate" of the united states, u.s. porn producers can only go "so far" without being prosectuted by the law.

in places like europe, brazil, and japan, ANYTHING (basically) goes.

in the u.s., if a porn producer wants to film an extreme film, he better watch out.

he might be arrested.

does anyone agree with me that european porn is WAY ahead of u.s. porn?

im not saying there is no good u.s. porn out there, but OVERALL there is WAY more FREEDOM in european porn than there is in u.s. porn.

no wonder i can't find ONE DAM COPY of "piss mops #2" to but in the u.s.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

there are things that go on in porn from other countries, that would probably get a porn producer throw in JAIL in the united states.

im thinking about moving to the netherlands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Hardware

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Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 4:09PM

Most European-based online porn stores feature lots of American product.

Aside from the restrictions on American porn, I think you're simply seeing the truth of the old saw that "the grass is always greener on the other side." Of course, if scat or something else that isn't shown in American porn is your thing, then European porn is better simply by default.

PS - I own lots of European-made porn and I've scoured a lot of online Euro-based porn shops. There's a TON of truly awful European-made porn out there.

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Redish

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Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 4:10PM

I don't know that one is better than the other. That is subjective to the viewer.

The European movies seem less inhibited than the American movies, more freedom as you said.

But that being a necessarily a good thing depends on the director and what they choose to do with such freedom. To do something for merely the statement, "Look what we can do," isn't sexual at all, as I hope the purpose is.

I just think some American directors have learned to do more with less. There will always be those who don't.

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Ejac
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Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 4:26PM

This is why I'm partial to foreign product. Lee Iacocca once said "Lead, follow, or get out of the way" (or was that John Thompson?). But it's only a matter of time before you're forced to either follow suit, or go down like those buggy-whip companies.

Seriously though, I'm looking forward to what's to come...a lot of US companies have made great strides in producing just about everything...having the ability to shop anywhere in the world...be thankful there's enough variety to go around.

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LCF

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Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 5:14PM

First off let me say that a "European Porn" does not exists.
Here's French Porn, Italian Porn , German Porn or Hungarian Porn or wherever Porn , but every country has its proper culture and laws i.e. pissing is obscene in England but is legal in almost the whole continental Europe the most part of BDSM especially the harder is produced and shot in Germany but Germany doesn't allows Bestiality which is legal in Holland , is not formally forbidden in Italy and has been made legal in France in midnineties ,obscenity laws are unknown in continental Europe , all this appears to be legal in Japan either
So fisting , pissing , scat , vomit and anything you can think done by willing people is available here with the exception of kiddyporn which is not tolerated at all.

whether our porn is better than the American I can't say certainly we have no issues with a lot of things so you can find a fisting scene or even a double fisting scene in a featured movie and so for pissing or even scat I remember an Italian movie entitled "Proposta Oscena" in which Milly D'Abbraccio shits on Bionca and in another scene Debi Diamond has been fisted it was a movie with a story in which Milly played as a Private Eye and was investigating something I don't remember what.

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BigBobxxx
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Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 5:19PM

I disagree with your premise.

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 6:46PM

My thoughts are pretty much in line with everyone else who responded. I'll just give my opinion with this observation - One possibility is that the whole of Europe probably wouldn't be in a riot over a single exposed breast on a television broadcast.

Edited by - randomprecision on 2/3/2007 7:18:22 PM

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Xenomorgue
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Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 9:28PM

On national television in the Netherlands there is a funny programme about sex and drugs called "spuiten en slikken". They show close-ups of pussies. One item was a girl having her labia pierced. The drugs items are also amusing. There is guy who tries out cocaine, heroin, mushrooms etc on the set and then tells about how it effects him.

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Harri Patel
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Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 9:50PM

Ditto. You're apparently equating "better" with "more freakish."

What's stopping you?

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Hardware

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Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 10:08PM

Neither would the whole of America. In fact, I don't recall a single riot over Ms. Jackson's infamous 'wardrobe malfunction.' Nobody got gunned down or stabbed to death in the street over it, either.

People were upset because a football game isn't where you expect to see nudity (I'd say T&A but there are those cheerleaders prancing around, ya know). Naturally, the news channels played it for all it was worth. However, if they're your source of "reality" then more fool you.

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 10:43PM

I was exaggerating (a little). It was a pretty big deal, considering that it was only about two inches of skin.

Well, the spectacle of the Superbowl is obscene in and of itself if I've ever seen it. And I get the feeling that a lot of Americans don't expect to see or hear about nudity anywhere......considering the fact that there's always a mob of people who want to shut down a tittie bar they've never even been to or prevent people they've never met from watching porn.

I was just commenting that Europe (in general) seems to have a more relaxed attitude about sex. I just can't imagine an exposed boobie causing much of a stir in most parts of Europe...not to the extent to which it did here anyway.

I'm not sure how else I'd know what's going on halfway across the country. It wasn't just a big deal on the news, either. There were people all over the internet who were up in arms about it, moaning about how it was the end of civilization as we know it, fire and brimstone and all kinds of stuff. Yeah...I know the internet isn't exactly the best source of info either but it's a pretty good window into what people are really thinking.

Edited by - randomprecision on 2/3/2007 10:44:16 PM

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Xenomorgue
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Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 11:08PM

LILZE wrote: "im thinking about moving to the netherlands!!!!!"

Harri Patel: "What's stopping you?"

I see a wonderful deal between the USA and the Netherlands. For each leftist/hippie/pacificist you send to our country, we will gladly give you a right-winger in return.

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Shagdog
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Posted - Feb 4 2007 : 9:52AM

First I don't consider that porn. It's a Freak Show.

If porn goes in that direction I'll quit buying porn.

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maverickuk
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Posted - Feb 4 2007 : 1:45PM

We have this same discussion over here in UK, but about why American porn is better.

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Dr. Nasty
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Posted - Feb 4 2007 : 5:44PM

Can't say I agree with that one. I mean look at the companies we have.

Jules Jordan Video
Evil Angel
Elegant Angel
Digital Playground
Platinum X Pictures
Zero Tolerance
Third Degree Films

That is awesome talent and direction listed there folks. There is some good Euro shit out there, but man American porn is at the top. At least IMO.

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jh30
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Posted - Feb 5 2007 : 1:46AM

whats the difference between all these us companies? they all make the same old boring porn with no varience. European porn is far more varied and creative. In the u.s a porn film will be heavily marketed to feature (for example)domination or latex but when you watch it, its just the same girls wearing a latex thong that gets taken off after 1 minute and on with the same old boring routine sex. In europe if you want latex, domination, panties, uniforms, watersports, bukakke etc ...you get it!

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HarryWild
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Posted - Feb 5 2007 : 4:32AM

The U.S. has the lead in controlling companies in porn worldwide. Companies like Evil Angel (Evil Empire), Vivid, Hustler, etc... have worldwide production and distribution that incorporates European porn into its productions and vise verse. Most European porn companies don't have distribution in the U.S. unless it is carried through a U.S. distribution company which produces the video in some form or shape at the start.

There are exceptions; maybe Private but I not sure of their distribution; so I cannot say.

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LCF

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Posted - Feb 5 2007 : 9:50AM

These are labels but lots of directors are Europeans i.e.
Rocco, Toni Ribas, Nacho Vidal, Christophe Clark , Jean Yves Le Castel and many others I can't recall at this time plus those produced in Europe such as Antonio Adamo, Salieri, Nicky Ranieri, Joe D'Amato (R.I.P.)
And the Clubseventeen productions which are the best barely legal producers ever

Anyway a good porn depends on the actresses and the actors but mostly on actresses a good actress such as Jenna Haze can turn a bad flick into a must have and so is for Annette Schwarz or Belladonna and many others.

There isn't American porn is Better than European nor the contrary they are different it is only like a change of meal from what we are used to eat

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Gunzo
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Posted - Feb 5 2007 : 2:29PM

Europorn has some extreme shit and stunning girls, but when it comes to production quality they're years behind. For me production quality is more important than fisting and watersports. I would watch it in a good production though.

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Seymour Asses
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Posted - Feb 5 2007 : 4:38PM

I agree with Gunzo. Too often european porn movies are below average in term of filmmaking : you know the lighting, the camera work, editing...

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khyber
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Posted - Feb 5 2007 : 8:04PM

There probably is more freedom in European porn than American porn.

If you're really into the unusual stuff, then European porn has some good movies.

But for me, American porn really changed when the gonzo movies started to come into the market.

I saw a lot of improvements in camera work, lighting, length of scenes, etc.

One of the biggest influences that I saw from European porn was the male porn stars.

Guys like Manual Ferrera and Steve Holmes showed how good a scene could be when the male porn stars really knew their stuff.

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gato
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Posted - Feb 5 2007 : 9:41PM

There's alot of great American porn from directors like Jules Jordan, Brandon Iron, Chico Wang, etc. But for the kinky stuff, let's not forget the Japanese porn. From the human condom girl, to girls completely covered in sperm walking outside in public, to faces submerged in a bowl of cum, the Japanese know how to party. Just check out the screenshots at http://www.japansm.com.

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illmatic
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Posted - Feb 5 2007 : 10:16PM

Opinions and assholes.

I have seen plenty of good amateur European porn, and amateur is always my preference, but I have seen good amateur stuff from both sides of the Atlantic, so I won't make a judgment there.
But If we are talking studio porn, I wholely disagree.
From what I've seen, I generally prefer American studios. Call me boring, but I just don't have any interest in fisting, pissing, trannies, or whatever crazy shit that supposedly makes Euro porn more cutting edge than American porn. And I'm unbiased as I didn't grow up in either of these places.

Now I certainly do prefer the look of the European women. Silvia Saint, Monica Sweetheart, Laura Lion, and Angel Dark and I could go on. In fact most of my faves are Eastern European women. I guess I'm not big on the fake boobs, fake tans, and ugly tattoos that a lot of the American starlets tend to have.

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Steve Holmes
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Posted - Feb 5 2007 : 11:19PM

First of all, thank you for the compliment. But funny enough "American Porn" gave us the freedom to be what we are. They let us do whatever we want. If it goes "over the top" they just cut it out later.

Steve Holmes

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THE SQUIRT JET
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Posted - Feb 6 2007 : 12:46AM

I love European porn all the way!!! They have something that American porn lacks..its called EROTICNESS...something to arouse your sexual curiousity...one theme in porno , I really love today ..is the lesbian piss drinking/ lesbian strap on dildo sex action..oh man, American porn studios like Elegant Angel, Filco, JM Productions , Coast To Coast and many more simply cannot and will not make the kinds of hardcore all-girl watersports videos that European, German companies have made for years...like Hightide Videos, MFX videos...they just make the best in lesbian piss drinking and swallowing!!! Simple hot and sexy and its not some dramatic film..its just hardcore gonzo lesbian porn the way Americans should make it...If only the cowards who produce porno in the USA would have some courage and real talent to give us the best in wet lesbian piss watersports/ lesbian strap-on fucking...the only few lesbian videos that come close to this standard are LESBIAN BUKKAKE ( JM ) SQUIRTING SHOWERS VOL 1 ( DANIS HARDCUT/ PUREPLAYMEDIA ) AND THATS IT . Oh well continue to watch your boring lazy American porn...THERES NO HOPE FOR HARDCORE PORN IN THE STATES :)

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Ejac
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Posted - Feb 6 2007 : 8:28AM

As nasty as I like it, I still prefer a soft woman. Having drive is good, but soft nonetheless. Maybe that's what makes the nastiness that much more nasty?

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biff
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Posted - Mar 8 2007 : 10:48AM

Most of my favorite pornstars are American there are some real Euro hotties but the quailty of the porn is inconsistent.I guess it depends on your taste.I find most of the Euro girls don't seem into it in alot of the scenes,there's also the language barrier thing if I can't understand her the scene is just not going to be as hot.

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Lange
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Posted - Mar 8 2007 : 12:44PM

I think eastern european porn stars are better because they are more beautiful and the fact that they don't talk as much as the americans is great IMO. I think most female american porn stars ruin the scene with their dirty talk. They just repeat the same line again and again. It's annoying and I have to turn the volume down.

Some dirty talk is ok but sometimes I wonder if these girls know that I can actually see what they are doing, they are not on the radio or something. I would prefer if the girl focused on the sex with the guy instead and showed us she liked the sex by using her body instead of using her mouth.

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caroline-NL
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Posted - Mar 9 2007 : 4:26PM

Dear LILZE and others, I smiled reading your comment.
I am living in the Netherlands and the golden age of liberalism is long gone. Many laws were changed in 2003 and all of the european laws will be generalized. Because US government put many pressure in forcing the european union to adapt their laws. Some genres are still allowed, but no longer produced. In the near future, almost all european porn will look like US Porn. But I wouldnt say, that US Porn is bad, especially in the last years, many good movies were released ( Michael Raven, some women directing, Nautica Thorn plans to produce sophisticated porn movies ).
The sex in US porn is more limited. In the 70s, golden shower was no taboo, but now it is. (why?)
You mentioned the german ggg movies. Maybe the sex is rougher, but these are no movies, only sex cabinet loops, they downgrade women and only concede the prejudices, the average woman ( and man ) has of pornography.
We need more movies like green door, miss jones, fantasy etc.

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shellshock91
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Posted - Mar 9 2007 : 10:31PM

I'm not sure if it's better overall, but it does have more passionate sex. Every performer in a Euro Sex scene appears to be enjoying themselves to the upmost. That's really attractive to me. Plus, the cumshots always seem to be stronger in Euro porn. Since there are so many genres associated with American porn, it's just hard to say that Euro porn is ultimately better than American. I like both for too many reasons to name at once.

"Two Shades above the rest", - The Secluded Paradyme.

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Posted - Mar 10 2007 : 10:18AM

It seems like there is about a 50/50 opinion on this. Your comment on European girls enjoying themselves more is quite common on threads like this but so is the comment that European girls look bored during the sex. There are two explanations for this. Either everyone is not watching the same movies (my personal opinion) or one side or the other is wrong. FWIW I personally don't see much difference heatwise between Europeans and Americans. I do see a difference in the amount of tattoos and implants with the Americans having far more of both. Whether that is a good thing or not is up to individual tastes.

edited because some sleep deprived goof forgot how to spell quite.

Edited by - the unknown pervert on 3/10/2007 10:20:16 AM

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WhiteBOY
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Posted - Mar 10 2007 : 4:31PM

One of the reasons I believe, is that our MALE European performers are far better and passionate than those in the US. Rocco, Nacho, Manuel, Steve Holmes, Franco Roccaforte etc are very good performers, bringing out the best in the female. Also, the Euro-style is not so sleazy and commerse as in the US, it's more (for now, at least) more genuine I believe

Edited by - WhiteBOY on 3/10/2007 4:32:46 PM

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Mar 10 2007 : 10:18PM

American porn isn't really bad. It's just all the same....which, I guess isn't good. Most American porn has good production values (lighting and so forth) but not much creativity. Probably stems from the fact that pretty much all porn is made by pretty much the same people. Once someone becomes successful in the American porn market, they keep doing exactly the same thing that made them successful until people stop buying it or they get tired of doing it (why mess with a winning formula?).

It seems that American pornographers at the lower end mostly watch the top players and copy whatever they're doing. At the same time, the top players all watch each other and copy each other's winning formulas so you get pretty much complete uniformity all the way across and from top to bottom. It's a business and it's ran like a business so organic isn't even in their vocabulary, for the most part.

And like it or not, they do have to worry about the government and the laws. They're not gigantic corporations like Microsoft or Wal-Mart. They can't really afford to be defending themselves in court every other week so they have to be careful.

I've not seen a whole lot of European porn but what I have seen is likely mostly what is good enough to make it all the way over here. I'm sure some Euro porn isn't so hot. But I've liked what I saw. I think American porn could learn a think or two from Europe and vice versa.

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Posted - Mar 11 2007 : 1:18AM

You could as well ask "why is u.s. porn porn better than european?" and the answer would be the same. There is a lot of crap produced on both sides of the atlantic ocean. But only the better product makes it overseas.

Steve Holmes

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swingers
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Posted - Mar 13 2007 : 6:00AM

I think so to.

www.realswingers.com

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Posted - Mar 13 2007 : 7:17AM

I have always been crazy about women from Eastern Europe.
They wear those hills , have thin legs , small tits and no tatoos.
I like the way most scenes start with the girl clothed.
I love the sex and want it to be porn for sure , but I want to see her walk around clothed for moment . They usually fit like a glove.
I also like it when they keep the heels on epecially the ones with the pointed toes that look like the ones russian babes wear.
Also to hear them talk dirty with an accent and remind me a former gf , that owns my soul.

They make me stupid.

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EllyJaine
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Europe
15 Posts
11/06

Posted - Mar 13 2007 : 12:49PM

I don't know for sure if European is better then American. I know that most of the actors that lives and work in Us are from Europe.
That because the market is bigger in Us.
But i guess we all know that.
Elly Jaine

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Comet Man
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Boston
96 Posts
4/01

Posted - Mar 13 2007 : 3:16PM

I think you have to define what you mean by "euro porn".
I think it means any (not necessarily all) of these things:
1) more of the extreme stuff (gonzo, etc.)
2) girls w/o overdone boob jobs, tattoos, piercings, etc.
3) girls in sexier (not sluttier) outfits

I prefer (2)&(3), aka, Marc Dorcel, Antonio Adamo (Private), etc. You can't get this here except maybe Andrew Blake's studio (Studio A).

It sounds like the OP wants more (1) but doesn't really define what (1) is.

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RandomPrecision
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Enjoy!
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3/06

Posted - Mar 13 2007 : 6:15PM

I would be happy if they'd just stop with the boob jobs (Good boob job is an oxymoron) and spend a bit more time and energy on makeup and wardrobe. I dunno. Some of the tans in porn don't look exactly....ummm...natural. But I prefer untanned girls anyway. American porn actresses tend to wear outfits that are completely and totally unflattering. They're not sexy. They're not even slutty. They're just....weird. Euro porn isn't exactly the best for this either but they're usually better.

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cypher
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13 Posts
8/04

Posted - Mar 13 2007 : 6:54PM

This is the reason, for me. The girls are better looking and they don't constantly yap. Increasingly in a lot of American porn, the girls aren't just yapping, they are constantly YELLING.

The only US-yapper I sometimes enjoy hearing the yapping from is Kelly Wells, b/c the stuff that comes out of her mouth is genuinely comedic. Someone should start a thread quoting her one-liners. It's not erotic though.

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The Zaye Man
Zaye Entertainment

136 Posts
12/04

Posted - Mar 14 2007 : 9:02PM

having shot in Europe for many years one thing I must say is that Euro girls come to set estically prepared than some talent here in the US. I cannot understand when a girl arrives to set with clothes that look like a wrinkle grenade went off in their suite case, nails half broken and chipped along with toenails and feet in poor condition and a list of conditions before we start? sorry to say but it seems like if you have a p---y and b--bs your a porn star here and to top it off give a lack luster performance just to get by to pay the unemployed b-friend's car payment and the rent. I have shot over 50 scenes in both prague and budapest and maybe I was lucky but the girls I had shot came to set very polished with great wardrobe and never asked (how much longer) I dont know but just an observation in the last 9 years in service.

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The Squirt Fighter
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15 Posts
3/07

Posted - Mar 16 2007 : 12:32AM

European porn is by far the best :)
You want to know why ?
Because the women actually enjoy eating pussy, strapping on big dildos and fucking other hot women...to them, its not business as usual....instead its a sport, a hobby

American porn has lost its value..its no longer about exploring lesbianism or watersports anymore...its about men fuck women for the big moneyshot and then its over...no wonder so many porn fans are actually traveling to Europe, Germany, Amsterdam, Great Britian, Belgium, France, Russia, Romania, Poland, Iceland, Greenland, Ireland..any nation that ends with the word LAND :) hehehe, lol

Its time for the American adult video studios to take notice..MAKE HOT WET HARDCORE LESBIAN STRAP-ON SQUIRTING PORNO inappropriate insults removed by mod
Edited by - The Squirt Fighter on 3/16/2007 12:33:09 AM

Edited by - scipio on 3/16/2007 2:31:50 AM

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henry.black
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cyberspace
73 Posts
6/06

Posted - Mar 16 2007 : 1:08AM

Squirt Fighter, we don't need just another niche genre crusader here.
Don't try to make every topic sound about lesbian strap-on squirting porn...Are you the one spamming the elegant angel forums too? Please, everyone has their fetishes, we don't go about screaming it to other people calling them idiots because they are not like us.
If you don't have anything to contribute to the discussion apart from your love for this particular fetish, please do not spam.

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The Squirt Fighter
Deactivated User

15 Posts
3/07

Posted - Mar 16 2007 : 1:15AM

You sir donot understand my cause....I believe in good pornography..I have to pay for my porn, besides having to pay my taxes. which everyone remember is APRIL 16 THIS YEAR :)

So, anyways, since I have to pay for my adult porno dvds and videotapes....I expect these studios to give me the highest quality of adult entertainment....My fetish is only exclusive to me...I know you like it too :) otherwise you wouldnt be replying to me in such a hasty manner...and one more thing..I DONOT SPAM :) you apparently are not a fan of the spam meat products ..thats okay, I love it..especially fried spam on a nice french roll with mayonaise, mustard, tomatos, lettuce, onions ...ummmm sounds good doesnt it ?:) add some chips and a nice cold drink and you got yourself a good meal

So to answer your question NO im not the spammer on Elegant Angel. Personally their videos donot interest me , watching the same old squirting between men and women is boring as hell...If more people would speak up against the injustice of having to watching the same boring porn , then maybe I would stop posting inappropriate insults removed by mod

Edited by - scipio on 3/16/2007 2:31:27 AM

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Poptop
New Member

1 Posts
12/14

Posted - Dec 28 2014 : 6:21PM

European porn is not what it use to be. In Germany it is more or less the same what it use to be in the 90's. Many of the 90's stars (I won't name names) from eastern parts of the Europe, back in the days, did also some of the most dirty movies in Germany incl. scat! The trick was, 4/5 movies, of german production, did not feature any names (pornstar names), and there were so many productions going on at the time, so the models did it for nice deals. Today it is more or less the same, so it's really old way distribution, and most try to avoid the internet as much as possible these days, because that's how you find the real stuff - offline. In Czech Republic and Hungary there is a overkill in amout of models asking to do some movies, but not to make them too public. The issue is, they all want to do it, but no name, do not make star out of me, no online etc. So it's like this: pay her everything from a minimum of 50€ and up to whatever you agree and film it and try to sell it as something special on a home-made dvd production - just make sure you do it really good and atractive. Because no one will pay attention to it, there are so many of them on the market (no name stars) movies, so it really got to be the one. You can't even play on the card "I will make more with her", because moste of then who did the movie will say no to more movies, so it's really tuff to find some who really want to do it, or the best way out is to take several scenes with her in the start and then use it over few productions. Then, the agencies are so rubish, high prices, and the models start to act as if they are the next Jenna Jameson. So, it really takes time to do the right ting, to meet the right models (no name models), then to do some typical 90's Europ porn scenes, and then you maybe have a nice movie, but again no stars. One thing is fact these days, most say no to names and promotion, so if you are up to produce movies, you can, but you will more or less make home made movies for yourself, and end-up paying them some money cca. 1.000 - 1.500€ for 4-5 scenes, around 5-6 girls, 2-3 guys and some free of charge nature or abandoned factories, but nor earn any profit with it.
I think the style of porno is ruined by the internet. Too many one scene productions about some dudes banging a model in hotel room or van and that's it. Same thing goes on and on in Europe. They try to sell it as, if they just met the girl on the street who is so happy to do a scene for 70€.

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DJboutit2
Member

438 Posts
4/09

Posted - Dec 28 2014 : 11:19PM

To me the it has never been that way US porn has always been way better than everywhere else

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Teddy Rattlesnake
Senior Member

Anti-authoritarian activist
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4/14

Posted - Dec 29 2014 : 8:09AM

There are pros and cons about the porn industry everywhere. There's bad photography in high and low budget porn movies. Don't get me wrong, I really love American porn but I like European movies because the girls don't always dress up like strippers or hookers. Euro girls are far less prudish about doing anal, DPs and all the other freaky s*** I'm into. I love to see girls in stylish elegant clothes as well as a girl in jeans and a t-shirt in porn flicks. The typical Hollywood look doesn't do much for me anymore. I love girls with a natural, organic look.

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pat362
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10083 Posts
3/10

Posted - Dec 29 2014 : 10:28AM

I'm glad someone resurrected this old thread because the European porn industry is a lot different now than seven years ago and in many ways it's worse of than it's North American counterpart. To begin with. There are no longer any major studios in Europe except maybe Dorcel but they are mere shadows of their once great selves. Most of the major European countries had at least one porn studio and some had many more than one but can anyone name me another porn studio other than Dorcel who still produces porn movies or is still active?
Here is a list of dead (almost dead) studios in no particular order: Colmax, Coppula Production, Magma, Maeva Video, JTC, Harmony Films, Bluebird, Seventeen, Private, Sineplex, Sinsational, Videorama, Mario Salieri, DBM, Showtime, Puaka, Inflagranti, Ben Dover and I'm sure I'm forgetting a ton of them. These were all studios that produced porn just a few years ago but true piracy and the collapse of the Wolrd market were not able to stay afloat.
To me the porn industry in Europe today falls under two categories. You have either softcore studios or gonzo studios and few if any in-between.

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tintintin
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1230 Posts
8/07

Posted - Dec 29 2014 : 4:08PM

I love (east) European movies because of things like piss and dirty analplay. I like the outfits, the long legs and the high heels.
I don't like (east) European porn because of:
-The girls moaning ohhhh and ahhhhhh all the time (because they don't speak a word english)
-The girls are more posing than really jumping into the sex.
-The girls constantly looking in the camera (LOOK WHAT I'M DOING)
-The guys treating the girls like shit in alot of cases
-The big lack of lesbian kissing during the ffm scenes.
I like USA porn because of:
-The little storylines
-Beautifull girls
-Better productionquality
-More choice
I don't like USA-porn because of:
-The big lack of nasty porn
-Most of the scenes nowadays are too clean
-No close-ups whatsoever
Edited by - tintintin on 12/29/2014 4:11:30 PM

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pat362
Senior Member

10083 Posts
3/10

Posted - Dec 29 2014 : 4:31PM

^I used to think that the main reason why the girls in Eastern European only say ohh and ahhh during their scene was because they can't speak English(at least decently) and I'm sure that is part of why they do that but I think that maybe it's not necessarily the only reason. I think they only say that because they are asked to do some pretty unpleasant things almost right from day one and are treated as nothing more than fuck holes to stick dicks in that it renders them incapable of saying actual dialogue because they are too much in pain or disgusted with themselves to voice actual positive dialogue. I think if they said anything than it would be ouch, ouch and get the fuck of me you animal. Of course they keep looking at the camera. They are pleading with the director to see if he will relent. I know I'm exaggerating but I can't imagine those young women really want to get a huge dicked guy or guys to fuck them until their vaginas or asses are so gaped and sore that they will need a week to recuperate.

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LCF

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Posted - Dec 29 2014 : 5:55PM

^
actually such things they do even in feature doubled movies , nothing extreme , but consider this even if the female stars speak English for example Gina Gerson , there-s still the male star to consider if he is the one doesn't speak English the scene will still be ruined imagine the actress saying ; yes go deep , and then take my ass!
and the guy just pull out to titfuck her because he didn't grasp what she said?
Edited by - LCF on 12/29/2014 5:55:44 PM

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