You should try Europorn instead, I like Viv Thomas and 21Sextury but they're not really doing the specific action you're mentioning.

"Pissing babes" (Silwa) is a great lesbian watersports DVD, you can buy it from Buyeuroporn.

Otherwise there are some very good lesbian watersports titles from SG Video, and also great lesbian watersports titles from Hightide Video.

Sorry I can't think of anything regarding "oily wet lesbian strap-on fucking".

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"mfx video" had the BEST lesbian porn EVER!!!!!!!!

too bad their u.s. site is not running anymore.

they do have a european site still up, but for some reason the euro site doesn't have half of the films the u.s. site had.

ive NEVER seen lesbian films better than mfx.

anyone who's seen these films knows there is nothing better.

deep kissing, spit kisses, feet licking, serious lesbianism-

anything you could think of mfx filmed.

i hope they come back.

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I think there´s enough porn out there you just need to find your kind

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I've seen the hardest of hardcore. I've seen people pissing on each other and in each other's various orifices. I've seem big buttplugs. I've seen choking. All pretty good stuff when I'm in the mood for it but watching two girls deep kissing or a girl REALLY eating another girl's pussy the way Viv Thomas shoots it will drive me nuts almost every time!

What is missing in a lot of porn is not hardcore or any particular action. It's visual style, narrative, a camera and lighting person who knows what they're doing and (get this) actual chemistry between performers!

You can have people piss on each other all day long and it won't be as hot as a simple kiss in the Viv Thomas style. That's my opinion, anyway.

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I´ve seen so much lame g/g toy fucking movies that even pinochios wooden nose would become soft due to lack of chemistry between the actors.

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As for Viv Thomas I used to think that his movies were lame just by looking at his covers but then I saw Pink Velvet 2 and this was definitely the best lesbian porn movie I had seen til that date. It just blew me away. Not all of his titles are very good though (for example I didn't like Butterfly that much) but they are always above average and better than any American production out there. The best titles I have seen from Viv Thomas so far are: Pink Velvet 2, The Office Girls, Confessions Of The Make Up Artist and basically everything with Vera in it.

I don't like most US mainstream porn because I hate toys and I especially hate it when they suck on them and give them blowjobs and all that. How stupid is that? I wish they would just get rid of it and focus on good sex instead. Of course everyone has different tastes I also like pissing in lesbian videos but I don't need it that much in American productions since there are very good European companies that are doing this kinda stuff (Hightide, Glimpse etc.). Americans do well at releasing squirt movies though I don't even know if there ever was a European title featuring squirting.

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Take a look at the above ELMS site, which features caps from most of Viv Thomas's titles. You should probably find something to peak your fancy.

Personaly I don't see how it can even be sex without at least a quad anal, and a motorbike. Lube optional.

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It has everything: Pissing, spitting, rape, anal...you name it. One of the best dvds I've seen recently.

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The Europeans however have finally gained my respect :)
Companies such as Hightide, Glimpse-IT, GGG, X-Models and Fetish Brazil ( Piss Brazil / Lesbian Brazil ) have done it right!!!! You take a bunch of attractive ordinary women who actually enjoy hardcore physical lesbian sex , enjoy using strap-on dildos like its an artform , and drink tons of wet lesbian piss with no reguard.....how many American lesbian videos can you find with that kind of action and excitement ??? NONE!!!!!!!!!!

Vivid, Wicked, VCA, The Evil Empire, Extreme Associates, Zero Tolerance, Filmco, Pleasure Productions, Elegant Angel...NONE OF THEM CAN MAKE EROTIC LESBIAN PORN and I know im not the only one who can testify to the sick reality of disgusting boring tasteless predictable porn...all of you feel the same way as me :)

While I applaud porn sluts like Belladonna for making an effort in creating so called hardcore lesbian porn...she seems to really miss the point!!! How is toe sucking, dildo choking a turn on?? :( My god..how about make some videos featuring oily wet lesbian strap-on fucking..followed by lesbian squirting followed by lesbian piss drinking, piss facials.....We really need someone like Bruce Sevens again....back in the 1990s, his videos were the best!!!!!!!!! :) Check out Where The Girls Sweat, Buttslammers, that guy knew exactly how to get it right....bunch of hot young sexy women who didnt overplay their sex roles...just show up to the gym, have a nice natural sweaty workout..THEN strip naked..and go for the gusto....go for the hot lesbian butt/pussy strap-on orgys....the girls would get naked, oiled up and just enjoy each others company....NO TOE SUCKING, NO DILDO CHOKING...just some hot sweaty action between women......The only things that were missing in that era was female ejaculations and lesbian pisssing....

I think that the frustration of watching todays crappy lesbo porn is starting to motivate me into becoming a porn director/ porn producer/ porn writer ..myself :)

I would take all the elements of Bruce Sevens "Where The Girls Sweat volume 1", Hustler videos " Hot Showers" , Jim Gunns " Strap-On Sally" , JM Productions " Lesbian Bukkake , Hightides " Piss Brazil " and turn it into something really really good :)

Then I would hire the best looking, the most talented girls from the DOGHOUSE video series....Get Barbie Lanny, Kream, bring back FAMOUS Vivid Girls like Celeste, Shyla Foxx, Brianna Banks, Gina Ryder, and much much more...Put them all in a room with plastic sheets covering the floor..then get all the hot women oiled up ....throw in some strap-on dildos..let them all fuck each other good and seriously hard....then watch the women take turns squirting and pissin all over each other...NO PLOTS, NO MUSIC, NO MEN AT ALL...except for me :) And I would keep my mouth shut..NO INTERVIEWS..just get to the wet oily lesbian sex

Anyone like my ideals? Keep on replying :) thanks

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Belladonna is great too but she should definitely stop this stupid dildo choking as it's a huge turnoff imo. She's doing it like it's some kinda sport but it's nothing but ridicilous.

By the way you mentioned GGG but as far as I know they haven't produced any Lesbian titles so far. That's pretty annoying in my opinion they could at least put out one lesbian movie for every 50 cumdrinking/pissing movies they do. :-)

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Take a few days of from everything and maybe things get better ... at least that´s what i have to do once in a while

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The main - only? - problem I have with today's lez flicks is dildos.
The irony is that I never cared for them, they never were instrumental in the success of a lesbian scene to me, but were no turn-off either. Sadly, they've changed in the past few years: they're now "art" object, looking so clean-chic and artsy (designed so they can almost make the cover of a fashion mag): I can't have a single bad thought seeing one of them, I guess that's problematic in a porn flick.
I sincerely hope they appeal to the performers.

As far as I'm concerned, bring back the banana and cumcumber.

Edited by - wodgers on 2/11/2007 5:07:00 PM

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Todays lesbian porn is a real joke....why do you need so much fake dildo mouth choking and toe sucking anyways?? Thats not how real lesbian women engage in sex acts lol

Real lesbian women always like it warm, wet and with lots of strap-on toys....Once I was watching an episode of the L Word on Showtime cable channel. It featured a romantic scene with two girls kissing, licking and pulling out the wonderful strap-on dildo :) Now, if a softcore lesbian romance cable series can show just what real lesbians want in the bedroom..why cant our American porn studios make the same kind of movies for the average lesbian fan??

And you know what? Another issue we havent covered is the fact that most of todays crappy lesbian porn is actually directed and filmed by women...so no wonder you keep getting scene after scene of pathetic lesbian plastic strap on dildo hand fucking...instead of the natural lesbian dildo pumping, the way men fuck women for example...

Bruce Sevens will always be a legendary porn director and writer...he gave us an ideal of just what lesbo women really want sexually....lesbianism has been a popular style in porn only because we think thats what the femininsts would want...something soft and gentle...no hardcore stuff...BULLSHIT!!! lol, Real dykes are just as nasty as horny men...we both want the same things in our erotic entertainment...we wanna see hot naked oily wet young women with big tits, naturally kissing and lesbian strap-on fucking til the wettest squirting climax happens and followed by some dirty lesbian watersports piss drinking....I hope someone out there in the adult video world will hear my battlecry and start making lesbian porn the way we all want it...the way you people want it :) , the way lesbian women want it and the way I want it

NO GOOD LESBIAN PORN ? = NO JUSTICE
AND NO JUSTICE = NO PEACE :)

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There is something for everyone in the wide world of porn. People who want believable lesbian sex goes to Abby Winters. People wanting eroticism find their way to Viv Thomas. For spectacle you can go to Bruce Seven. For hole-stretching it's Belladonna. And if none of that fits what you want then shop around until you find something you do like: you've already been given a few suggestions of titles that might appeal to your tastes. But if you will only be happy when all porn exactly matches the movies in your head then you are setting yourself up for a lifetime of disappointment. The whole porn industry isn't going to re-oriented itself just to please you.

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Truthfully, it's hard enough to pick just one style and do it well.....as evidenced by so many failures in all porn. My opinion is that too much porn is made on too thin a budget.

That's a very tall order in any industry but especially in one like porn.

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I will tell you why....Abby Winters and Viv Thomas love telling a story about lesbian love...its so soft and romantic....well guess what?? THATS NOT PORN!!!

Most of us are dirty nasty porn fans who wanna see girls screaming, moaning, strap-on pumping those dildos and definitely squirting and pissing all over other women..now thats action

So to settle the score...check out 1 video that I think most of you will be satisfied with....SQUIRTING SHOWERS VOLUME 1 ( DANIS HARDCUT/PUREPLAYMEDIA VIDEO )
It stars the wonderful and talented Flower Tucci, Angela Stone, Roxy Deville , Missy Monroe and Charlotte Stokley

It has the best of hardcore lesbian strap-on fucking, lesbian pussy squirting with soft romantic lesbian lovemaking, kissing..all the stuff you would find in most mainstream lesbian porn today...If only more studios would make the kind of hardcore stuff with more eroticness and realistic lesbo porn, everything would be good :)

I believe in the world of smut, you can have your cake and eat it too, TRANSLATION: you can watch nasty hardcore lesbian porn that gets you off and still fall in love with beautiful young women who seem to love each other..not just wanna fuck each other...enough said...

:) Keep your replies coming...I think the porn makers will read these messages and get the point

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Bruce 7 ruined lesbian porn in the US and it has never recovered. I used to rent lots of lesbian movies back before he was active and then before the entire industry followed his lead. Once his style of "sex" in quotes because I don't think of circus antics that are performed solely for the camera and that no one would actually get off on performing as sex, took over, lesbian films totally died in the US.

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Hell, I'd love to see girls pissing in each other's mouths and so forth but the way most gonzo pornographers would shoot it would be a total yawn. Someone with a more interesting visual style would probably hesitate to film something as hardcore as pissing. And finally, there aren't too many women who'd do it and truly like it. I've seen "lesbians" pissing on each other just to be doing it (because they're being paid to, IOW) and it isn't erotic or arousing at all (IMO).

I don't think real lesbians would be all that interested in strap ons and toys (I could be wrong). They're into women, after all.

At any rate, Viv Thomas shoots his STUFF (call it porn or not. I don't care) in a style that is very appealing. There is attention to detail that just isn't there in most porn that you see. Whether you want to see love stories or not, if there isn't some kind of connection between the characters, what you have is cold, robotic sex. I thought that was great 10 years ago. I would have argued with anyone who said there wasn't enough emotion in porn. I didn't want to see emotion. I wanted to see hardcore sex (just like you). So that's what I bought (and rented) and that's where the industry went and now, it's like the people on screen aren't even people anymore.

I pick up several porn flicks a week and I watch, in the hopes of finding something a little better than average. What do I see? I see machines doing their best to imitate human beings. It's rare that I even catch a glimpse of humanity in anything I watch. It's cold, sterile, clinical and no amount of hardcore can fix that. I don't care how hard the action is or what it shows. There can be more meaning to a simple touch than an hour of dildo fucking.

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GGG porn is one of my favorite things of Earth. And I too miss the kind of films Bruce Seven used to make. While I think that Bella Donna is great, her recent films do go too far into grudge-style fucking.

Say what you will about Vivid, but most volumes of Where The Boys Aren't did the trick for me. You had badass-lookin' chicks, who genuinely seemed to be enjoying each other (can't be 100% sure). Each film would end up with an orgy…hey, watching Raylene, Devon, Taylor Hayes, Janine, et al kissing and eating pussy and ass all over each other may be vanilla w/r/t to choking on a dildo, but I'll take vanilla over angry, psycho fucking that seems to be compensating for the lack of Brian Surewood or James Deen acting thuggish and abusive towards gals…

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Make it so! Please make it so!

What Squirt Jet likes and Bella turns out is not lesbianism at all, it's more like "Men with cunts", what men would do to their cunts in they had one, it's ridiculous to those of us who watch real wives have sex with each other.

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I do not see how the cost would be much more by having the girls french kiss more. I also don't see how body to body contact would increase the cost. I would agree that many porn actresses don't like to kiss other porn actresses but many don't mind it....and many actually seem to enjoy it. The problem , often , is the cameraman not filming them kiss ...but rather he/she is filming an ass or tits , as the girls are making out. Why ??????? Another problem is the director making them concentrate on penetration in the ass so that one second won't be wasted , in their minds , on the girls kissing. Again....why ????
When you say "superior" product , what exactly are you referring to ? What constitutes a superior g/g video ? I have seen amateur stuff that kicks ass and I have also seen pro stuff that's totally lame...and vice versa naturally...!!
"Lick between the lines" had more kissing than most mainstream g/g titles and there was no toy use. Many people enjoyed it alot more than alot of these other g/g dildo fests. Did the video cost more to make because of that? I don't know but I hope Jewel responds and sheds a bit of light.
Zooming and moving ? Of course it's necessary !!! You can't stay still the entire video but they don't have to move and zoom as if they are making a damn music video....why not be a little more gradual and smooth in the movements.

As for Abby Winters and Viv Thomas ...I do enjoy their videos to a certain extent but :
1. They take forever to come out here in North America
2. They cost more
3. They are a little too tame for the most part
4. No nasty spitting
5. They always use the same actresses over and over

There are very hot actresses in the USA that can do the job and I am sure that there are a few directors who can surely make better g/g videos. It's up to the boss to let them do it.

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Anybody with a camcorder and enough money to pay the talent can film sex acts. It takes someone with artistic vision to do it in a way that is truly erotic. And generally speaking, the more "nasty" the act is that is being filmed, the more it benefits from being filmed by someone with what I call vision.

To elaborate......anybody can grab a camcorder and film six men cuming on a girl's face. And it might very well be a turn on the first time you see it. But the typical gonzo setting, shooting style and lighting is kinda...well, stark. To shoot it any other way would add complexity and probably expense.

This, of course, is not very compatible with your typical gonzo flick. When I watch two girls, I don't want to know the director (or the camera person) is even there. What constitutes a superior product is one in which it is obvious that everyone involved was there for more than just a paycheck.

I had a relatively short lesbian clip once that I watched over and over. I don't even know who made it or where I got it. A couple of things really stood out. As the girls kissed (and the kissing went on for quite some time), you could see them gradually coming out of their shells. The kissing started out light and kind of shy. Then, slowly, fingers started to tremble, breathing became increasingly ragged, eyes narrowed and the camera didn't miss a beat. Soon, the girls were ravishing one another. One girl went down and slowly approached the pussy, gently peeling it apart. And you could see the expression on her face change ever so slightly as she inhaled the sweet aroma. Her eyes rolled and she just buried her face in that pussy! And when she came up for air, she had pussy juice smeared all over her face. The camera just soaked in all these erotic details. These two women were quite clearly slightly more than two girls paid to wag their tongues at one another. This was a connection of kindred spirits on display for whom ever cared to watch. They were aware of the presence of the camera but you wouldn't know it to watch.

As far as spitting. I prefer that women don't spit (just my personal preference). I love it when they drool but spitting is more of a masculine action to me.

Edited by - randomprecision on 2/13/2007 2:40:51 AM

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Viv Thomas and the L-Word is what gets me my lesbian fix. I'd say those of us who like the more sensual lesbian scenes ought to be the ones complaining. There's plenty of extreme lesbian stuff. All those Violation of __ videos, and Belladonna usually caters to that genre as well

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I also like the cheating lesbians idea. In fact I love the idea of rough lesbian sex, I'm not against the use of sex toys, in fact I'm quite fond of double dong action. But seriously I'm not into oily lesbians screaming like banshees, I watched several US lesbo flicks back in the 90's and it was just BAD.

The thing with rough lesbian sex is that IMHO you need a very good dominatrix girl otherwise it'll be TAME AS HELL. Seriously a girl like Sandra Romain or Belladona dominating, slapping, spitting on and fucking a more submissive actress like Sierra Sinn or Roxy Jezel, that's my thing !

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I wish that lesbian porn could return to its roots, natural beautiful lusty women ENJOYING other hot women..eating pussy like its a salad bar, strapping on big dildos and pumping like its an oil rig :) The only reason some of you like rough lesbian porn is because you have gotten sick of women who pretend to be lesbian..so if their gonna pretend..they might as well go hardcore, spit , shit , all that sick stuff :)

I say bring back Bruce Sevens DNA , we can clone another modern day PORN KING , back in the 1990s ..he made some of the best all-girl stuff..my paticular favorite, Where The Girls Sweat volume 1
Watching hot sweaty Madison and her gal-pals working out at the gym, pouring bottles of babyoil all over each others tits, ass, and other body parts..then digging in for some yummy lesbian sex, followed by strap-on fucking exercises really wet my juices :)

Thats what we need again....REAL LESBIAN PASSION..not overhyped rough lesbo rape...or too softcore L word lesbian kissing crap...We need the good old days :)

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Edited by - hardware on 3/17/2007 9:17:13 PM

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What's worser than lesbian porn is Black lesbian porn! Good grief! Big Ass Slumber Party (Black Ice) has the right idea but it seems that every other studio just wants to stick with the same random, toy infested garbage!

I also think that there should be a specific difference between toy films and lesbian films. Why would you put out a title like "Lip Lickers" or "Ladies Lovin' Ladies" when the content is more like "Toy Suckers" or "Ladies Lovin' Dildos".

Somethings gotta give.

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What I want is something like a series named "No boys, no toys," and have them live up to the title.

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