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tintintin
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Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 2:03PM
As a lover of lesbian pissmovies I always have to go to European sites like www.glimpse-it.com and www.hightide-video.com
The Brazilian MFX site is down because of the arrest of the owner when he visited the usa.
Piss and scat maybe sickening to most people but when you look at it in a neutral way you could say that sperm, squirting or spitting is the same. They are all just bodily fluids.
Why is it allowed to squirt and ejaculate in womens or mens faces but forbidden to do the same with piss or the brown stuff?
Taking the fact that there are grown up people voluntering to act in such movies I do not understand why piss and scat is obscene but squirting and ejaculating not...
I personally can't watch a scatmovie either.. but when people want to do stuff like that and see stuff like that I think it should be allowed.
And when it is allowed.... it would bring me more choice in material :-)
The States is a beautifull country.. but sometimes I do not understand you ;-)
A European guy

Edited by - tintintin on Aug 10 2007

MikeSouth
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Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 2:09PM

It isnt
tintintin
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Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 2:11PM
Ok.. when it isn't why is a porn producer of scatmovies from brazil arrested because of obscenity laws?
And why aren't there any watersportsmovies produced in the us?
MikeSouth
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Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 2:18PM

Ok for the umpteenth time heres how it works in the USA
The only thing that is illegal is CP period
anything else is legal UNTIL it is found to be obscene by the Miller Test and community standards.
Until interstate commerce is involved its a state issue what maybe acceptable in one state may not be in another. but it is all legal until a jury declares it obscene
deal widdit
tintintin
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Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 2:37PM
OK.. then I guess the American customer is not ready for the pissing stuff... Or are producers somehow affraight to do a movie like that?
Seeing the popularity of squirting movies .. my guess is that there must be a big marked for that stuff.
Edited by - tintintin on 8/10/2007 2:38:59 PM
 
MikeSouth
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Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 2:48PM

what you havent really understood is that it isnt the customer per se who isn't ready
Its the producers. you see obscenity here is determined by the jury its the only legal precedent I know of where where there is no determining factor of a crime until after you have been convicted. Obscenity as a legal term is nebulous, there is no specific definition aoutside the three pronged miller test which you can google if you are so inclined.
Its the producers who dont want to face obscenity charges in the event that their golden masterpiece might become subject to examination by a jury that would declare it to be obscene, at which point they dont say hey this is obscene dont do it anymore...instead they haul his ass directly to jail where he then has 10 or more years to understand the error of his judgment in thinking that his idea of art is another man's idea of a crime.
Luicrous? Yes. But thats the reality of it.
tintintin
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Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 3:02PM
Tnx for the explanation.
I once saw the movie about Larry Flint.. in the end he won his case. That's how porn got legal in the us isn't it? (Pardon me if i'm wrong)
The porn business is a very big business with lots of money. Hasn't anybody with alot of money for lawyers tried to fight this Luicrous reality? (The three pronged miller test)
Edited by - tintintin on 8/10/2007 3:03:46 PM
MikeSouth
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Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 3:05PM
porn has always been legal in the us thats kinda the point of this explanation
obscenity isnt legal but nobody can absolutely define obscenity and the definition varies from community to community.
The Miller test was handed down by our supreme court, it cant be challenged per se but it can be revisited as it no doubt will in current federal cases.
tintintin
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Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 3:13PM
Sorry for not understanding everything... i am just a basic english speaker :-)
As you wrote: "Its the producers who dont want to face obscenity charges"
In case of squirting. Where there any problems in the beginning? Or in other words... was a producer faced with obscenity charges?
MikeSouth
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Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 3:30PM

everyone faces obscenity charges because we don't know if what we have released is obscene or not, even Playboy Magazine has battled obscenity charges, but as time goes on someone will push the envelope like Larry Flynt did and ace the charges and win opening the way for everyone else.
The first girl known for squirting came along in the 80s, a chick named Fallon.
by calling it squirting as opposed to pissing, which it really is most likely it seems to be more acceptable
the tyhing to remember is the farther a porner goes out on a limb (think Max) the more likely he is to face obscenity prosecution (think Max again)
Thats the reality
tintintin
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Posted - Aug 10 2007 : 3:39PM
So the porn business should be gratefull to people like Max and Belladonna I guess.
There are some european versions of Max Hardcore. So I guess the obscenety laws don't count for sending stuff abroad?
If that is the case. Why aren't pornproducers interested in making stuff like pissingmovies in America for millions of people abroad?

Edited by - tintintin on 8/10/2007 3:43:59 PM

tmd5
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Posted - Aug 11 2007 : 9:10PM
I would also think that Bestiality would also be illegal. I personally feel it should be banned, but I don't want to get into an argument here. I think it comes down to animal cruelty. It's obvious everyone and their brother is going to think such things are animal cruelty since an animal can not consent to having sex (just because it doesn't attack you, doesn't mean you have their permission!!). People into animal porn are going to be pissed at me for my opinion here.
I wonder what happens when you are hit with an obscenity charge? Do you have huge fines or go straight to jail? I wish I could find out what happened in the end to people that were hit with an obscenity charge.
Also, MFX is still up. Just not in the USA. They are now hosted on european web servers and still ship to the USA from europe. Any scat, vomit or pissing porn you import into the USA is not going to be seized ever. They can probably still get away with taking anything you import into the USA if they don't like it though. I'm 100% sure that bestiality and CP would be a guaranteed seizure (and the later an arrest obviously).
You can still get an obscenity charge if you ONLY export your "obscene" movies from the USA. This is because you are using the US postal service for this (since it's run by uncle sam). Maybe you can get away with it by using UPS or Fedex. Who knows. I doubt it!
Edited by - tmd5 on 8/11/2007 9:13:24 PM
jim2
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Posted - Aug 11 2007 : 11:43PM
This is just a theory, but bodily fluids that are produced by sexual arousal are the ones that are considered acceptable in porn. While piss and scat may turn a few people on sexually, the government and much of the public considers piss and scat nothing more than human waste. Therefore it is considered more obscene than ejaculating and squirting.
Prophit
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Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 3:10AM
The European operation is up but they have always been dedicated only to selling stuff. I don't know if MFX is still producing new movies in Brazil though.
On this squirting vs. pissing thing: Maybe we will see the day when someone tries to declare a squirting movie obscene and this argument is taken to court. Could probably help settle things once and for all. :)
I bet if they came to the conclusion that female ejaculation is real they wouldn't be able to ban it because if a man has the right to cum in pornos then females have the right too.
Edited by - Prophit on 8/12/2007 3:13:54 AM
tintintin
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Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 6:44AM
How ridicule this subject about scat or piss maybe,(believe me... I can live without it), the real issue of my topic is FREEDOM.
In my opinion the mayority of people in the US are Liberal in their heart. However they let themselfs be ruled by Christian fundamentalists.
Because of those fanatic right wing groups alot of people in the states are afraight. Afraight of loosing your job when you say you are gay, afraight of being banned by the community when you admid being polygamic or having other ideas about issues like the war or Healthcare.
Americans have the right to own and sell guns wich can lead to deaths but they face 5 years in prison when they film and distribute pee porn..... I don’t get it... (DON'T MISUNDERTSAND ME.. I AM NOT FOR BANNING GUNS!)
Quote: I would also think that Bestiality would also be illegal. I personally feel it should be banned, but I don't want to get into an argument here.
TINTIN: As I said: As long as there is no force and people do sexacts as volunteers everything should be allowed. Animals can’t choose so bestiality is out of the question.
Quote: The European operation is up but they have always been dedicated only to selling stuff. I don't know if MFX is still producing new movies in Brazil though.
TINTIN: Mfx is shut down and they only sell the old stuff on mfx europe.
Quote: While piss and scat may turn a few people on sexually, the government and much of the public considers piss and scat nothing more than human waste. Therefore it is considered more obscene than ejaculating and squirting.
TINTIN: You could also say that wearing rubber outfits and using a whipe or candles has nothing to do with sex... but it can.. just like piss or scat. About a few people beeing turned on by scat and piss... I thing you are wrong wrong wrong... look at the succes of squirting...

Edited by - tintintin on 8/12/2007 7:38:30 AM

 
Kensington Chapp
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Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 7:00AM
Why is piss and scat forbidden in the USA?
Because it's depraved shit. Pun intended.
Tintintin, when you say that "they are just bodily fluids", piss and shit are excrements; spit and semen are there to serve a purpose, mostly sexual.
The reason normal sex is allowed in our porn, and scat isn't, is the obscenity thing as MikeSouth explained; we all (well, 99% of us) do the sex thing, spit and semen included, so it's easy to understand that it's ok to watch it on video...
However, 99% of us DO NOT normally do scat, so that's why it's NOT ok to watch it on video.
tintintin
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Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 7:33AM
Kensington Chapp: What you are saying is "I find scat / piss discusting so no one should be able to produce it or watch it"
I find that very narrowminded or does the production of such movies havesome kind of impact on your life?
You could also say "99 procent of Europeans don't eat Antz, eating Antz is depraved shit, so eating Antz should be forbidden.
90 procent of the people don't like things like SM or licking feet.. so according to your point of view no one should be able to produce it or watch that either? A pitty for those who love to see feetlicking or sm.
As I said before.. the only reason to forbit things should be that it harms somebody. In case of dvd or video... if you don't like it don't watch it, but give the people who love such things their freedom to produce that stuff.

Edited by - tintintin on 8/12/2007 7:57:39 AM

Kensington Chapp
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Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 8:29AM
^^^
"if you don't like it don't watch it"
Good point, but my point was that the REASON it's forbidden in the USA is because it's considered OBSCENE by The Man.
The reason The Man considers it obscene is because 99.99% of The Man considers scat to be depraved shit.
I'm not the one responsible for its illegality, so fuck off with your personal attack.
S&M and foot fetishes are definitely more popular than scat, plus they are not considered obscene, just little odd. Like fat chicks or fisting.
By the way, the only S&M that is allowed (in the UK at least) is where the violence is very mild, and doesn't appear to actually harm anyone.
Edited by - kensington chapp on 8/12/2007 8:31:19 AM
mindee
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I don't understand the idea that beastiality is "animal cruelty". It's not like the animal is being beaten or starved or kicked. All you're doing is giving the animal an orgasm. This is bad?? True the animal can't say yes or no, but that's also true of people who breed dogs, they set up the breeding. The animal has no say. While I have never been involved in animal sex, I can say that I find it quite tempting, and if given the chance under the right conditions, I would probably try it. As far as the other idea that we are supressed by the "Christian Fundamentalists", when you think about it, they're not that big of a problem. A hassle maybe, but it's not like some countries in the middle east or asia, where the fundamentalists of those religions would simply have you killed. While I don't mind golden showers, scat isn't my thing, but people should be able to look at and experience what they want to.
Uncle Fester
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Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 6:38PM
Pissing isn't forbidden. Case in point would be all of the "Squirt" videos. By calling it squirting, producers can probably avoid excess hassles from the feds.
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Thank you mindee. Your post is a breath of fresh air among all of the prejudice and hypocrisy that usually surrounds that issue.
I have no interest whatever in having sex with an animal, but I am amazed that all the nonsense that comes up about "consent". Does it not occur to people that if animals did not like sex there wouldn't be any baby animals? I strongly doubt that any animal would see sex as being any different from all the other affection and petting that they routinely get from humans.
I sincerely hope that all the people saying "animals can't choose" are vegetarians. We wouldn't want to be hypocrites now, would we?
TarynThomas
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Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 10:25PM
Plus it's gross who wants to be pissed and shit on? Not me... LOL
Johnothan Pedak
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Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 10:30PM
Nor would I want to see it on Miss Taryn Thomas. Or any other girl. Leave it in the toilet.
Uncle Fester
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Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 10:50PM
I saw a few Japanese films and you had really cute Japanese girls puking, pissing, and shitting on each other. The realy gross part was when they stuck a funnel up the one girl's ass and put a bunch of worms or silver fish or other squiggily bugs up her. She then shit them out later. The overall silly thing about these discs are the pixilated genitals though. Almost like someone said, "yeah, it's okay to shit on someone, but we can't actually show her pussy as it's too risque!"
RandomPrecision
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Posted - Aug 13 2007 : 1:34AM
What do millers have to do with anything?
 
RandomPrecision
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Well, it's not even worth arguing over whether or not the BOR was intended to offer protection to porn at all.
However, as has been pointed out countless times, popular speech doesn't need protection. 99% of people don't need the First Amendment. They're a majority and a majority never needs protection. It's that 1% that it was pretty much indisputably intended to protect.
Ramsey
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Posted - Aug 13 2007 : 1:31PM
Do you take facials? I'm wondering why sperm is no probem but not piss, what's the difference. And no I'm not into pissing at all, I'm just wondering how this thing works.
Uncle Fester
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Posted - Aug 13 2007 : 2:22PM
Yeah, espcially since Piss in actually sterile.
Kensington Chapp
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Posted - Aug 13 2007 : 5:10PM
ok RP, isn't that more or less what i was trying to say?
or do you disagree with me
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Posted - Aug 14 2007 : 6:05AM
I don't know what you were trying to say. It could be taken a couple of different ways. I took it as you saying that people who are into scat shouldn't be allowed to watch it because everybody doesn't like it.
My position was that maybe those are exactly the kind of people the First Amendment was written for. You never need such protection unless a large number of people feel that what you do or what you like is wrong. Why would they have written it if not for the minority in a given situation?
Maybe we just read one another wrong. I don't know.
At any rate, I feel that people who like it aren't hurting anyone as far as I know. It's not like there's a wide market for it anyway.
Edited by - randomprecision on 8/14/2007 6:06:34 AM
mindee
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People ought to be free to experience what they want. I like taking cum in the face or swallowing it, and when it comes to golden showers I've taken them and given them. It's not at the top of my list, but sometimes it's fun. When it comes to scat, that's something else. I don't have a lot of limits, but I can't get turned on by that. But if consenting adults are into it...well..Why not??
TarynThomas
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Posted - Aug 14 2007 : 1:13PM
No as a matter a fact I don't take facials. I think they are a waste of good protein. I swallow. There are about 4 movies where I take facials. Just not my thing. Piss is something meant for the toilet. Piss & shit is waste coming out of your body. Why would I want someone's waste on me??? As for sperm it is not waste meant to be put in the toilet, it's a natural supplement from the body. On that note I am done here.
tintintin
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Posted - Aug 14 2007 : 3:09PM
Quote: Why would I want someone's waste on me??? As for sperm it is not waste meant to be put in the toilet, it's a natural supplement from the body. On that note I am done here.
The discussion here is not about the question if pissing or shitting on somebody is gross.
The discussion is that in my point of view it is gross that people face prison in the USA when recording and distributing this stuff.
Edited by - tintintin on 8/14/2007 3:10:55 PM
prfb
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Posted - Aug 14 2007 : 5:33PM
Here is a long-winded answer to the question: Why only certain fluids in American sex vids?
If I remember right, the original court decisions that made an above-ground porn industry possible in the USA date back to the "Deep Throat" days, around 40 years ago. And those were basically high-court judges begging the question: "We can't come up with any definition of "obscene" that will..., er, hold up in court, nationwide," they declared. So they punted, and invoked a new and mystically vague "community standards" notion. Lawyers, check me on this one.
At the time, this seemed like a victory for free speech - it let Deep Throat, DMJ, etc. be seen in NYC and LA and so on. Paving the way for even wider tolerance all over, later on. East Bumfuck Oklahoma was - for once - not setting the standards for everybody else.
In the long run, though, this has worked out to be a poisonous precedent. Any time any reich-wing theofascist Junior G-man with political aspirations wanted to make points with "The Base" all he had to do was haul Sleaze E. Productions from Chatsworth, CA into the East Bumfuck, OK courthouse. Community Standards, anybody?
Mr. Sleaze is, if nothing else, a businessman, and knows that any government-funded prosecution could grind him down to nothing even if he "won" his case and avoided jail.
So the trick has become to try to give the fans all they want (and sell a lot of DVD's or whatever) while not catching the attention of Holy Righteous Crusading Legal Eagles gunning for higher office. And to avoid invoking any more Congressional interference/regulation, like all of the Regan-years hoo-hah.
It's almost funny to watch the industry push the boundaries and then scurry back under cover when threatened. Ballsy guys like Mr. Flynt are few and far between. Vagueness, confusion, threat, and corruption are functional: they let the money-making continue while fronting all pure and chaste -- just ask the Mormon Mariott family!
Shorter answer: We Americans luvs us some hypocrisy!
Luvvy Duvvy
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Posted - Aug 14 2007 : 6:52PM
Would you consider drinking ipecac, and lots of laxatives. Then balance yourself on a turntable, then spin, and go sick and poo at the same time. You'll look like one of those spinny firework things.
Make a right mess though!
 
TarynThomas
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Posted - Aug 14 2007 : 7:10PM
Why don't you try it out first and let me know about it when ur done...
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Posted - Aug 15 2007 : 1:47AM
Nice post, prfb
I continue to maintain that the glory days (such as they were), are winding down for porn and porn fans. The dark ages are approaching once more. You can see it everywhere. It might not be much of a threat except that I don't think anyone cares that much. They got their tax cuts.
Edited by - randomprecision on 8/15/2007 4:25:58 AM
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Posted - Aug 15 2007 : 2:01AM
If porn is outlawed, only outlaws will make porn. Everything now forbidden will be mainstream again.
The theofascists should be careful what they wish for.
Luvvy Duvvy
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Posted - Aug 15 2007 : 3:30PM
I was joking.
Everett
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Posted - Aug 15 2007 : 5:28PM
Taryn you're quite impartial or fair in your views. curious, as you're a porn star, how do you feel about pregnancy or lactating porn? Yay or Nay
TarynThomas
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Posted - Aug 15 2007 : 11:16PM
I have the same feelings on that as I have on sperm. Like it. I think it's very kinky. : )
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Because since Bush got into office we've all been pissed on and had to eat shit for so long it's redundant?
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Posted - Aug 16 2007 : 12:23AM
Good one Stronk!!!
dvd4dvd
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though eating shit, getting shitted on, and drinking piss is purely nasty and disgusting, just thinking that a babe would do this, makes me wanna check it out, at the least.
I personally wouldnt wanna kiss a girl like this.
wouldnt tongue kiss her either.
Im guessing she would be ugly as well as nasty.
Im sure you wouldnt see Jenna Jameson do this? so obviously it aint something that total hotties and gorgeous babes would do.
and while Im on that topic, Im sure if you ( man ) are into that kinda shit and that turns you on, you can forget about ever being with a total hottie and a total babe. cause they simply are not into that SHIT ( get it? )
HarryWild
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Posted - Aug 16 2007 : 1:11AM
I doubt that the female doing this is unattractive if you go with a first rate studio in Europe or a company like Evil Angel in the U.S. which makes movies with this in it but is cut out in the U.S. version. Next time you go to Amsterdam or Italy; go and rent a video or two!
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Posted - Aug 16 2007 : 1:27AM
Well, when you really think about it, would you fuck or kiss just an ordinary porn star (even if they never did scat)?
Well, I don't know anyone personally who is into it but I know of some decent looking women who are. There's no such thing as being too attractive to be into something kinky. A person's looks have nothing to do with what they're into. That's a really naive way of looking at the world.
Well, this has been reported on some relatively well respected site so I guess I'm not breaking any news but you might want to look up Sabrina Johnson. She looks pretty hot to me. I don't know if it's true or not but I've heard it from more than one source so I assume it is.
Edited by - randomprecision on 8/16/2007 1:28:07 AM
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Posted - Aug 16 2007 : 2:10AM
I'm guessing you've never seen Charlene Hart, AKA "Skye Blu".
The most stunningly beautiful woman I have ever seen, and she has made the full range of this stuff.
tintintin
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Posted - Aug 16 2007 : 2:19AM
The English beautifull girl Angel Long also does pissing in mouth stuff.
Lange
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Posted - Aug 16 2007 : 3:41AM
Lots of american girls have done pissing too. Even beautiful ones like Taylor Rain.
dvd4dvd
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Posted - Aug 16 2007 : 10:23AM
tell ya what..
if a babe taking a dump, or drinking your piss, or being totally into eating your shit or being completely covered in your shit turns you on. go for it!
Like I said. "you will not see the hottest of the hottest doing this shit.
sure. there are exceptions to the rules just like everything on earth, but
Im 900% sure that when you see 1 kick ass total babe, whose got it going on from head to toe, hot bod, hot boobs, hot little pussy, great feature and just totally perfect, Im sure that the first thing that does NOT come to your mind is "gee I wonder if she will allow me to piss down her throat and take a dump in her mouth"!!
Like I said. if your into that "shit" go for it..buy up all the videos in the world that have that shit
dvd4dvd
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Posted - Aug 16 2007 : 10:29AM
and by the way?
if your into having girls drink your piss, next time you go to the hottest bar on a friday night, either down West Hollywood, Beverly Hills, Santa Monica, Long Beach or Marina Harbor,Laguna Beach or Newport Beach..why dontcha walk right up to the bartender, hop on the table, whip out your cock and yell out..."HEY LADIES! DRINKS ON THE HOUSE! FREE! LINE UP AND DRINK MY PISS! " and count the seconds it will take to be taken downtown to the station. ok?
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