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But it does seem like natural looks have been making a comeback in American porn too. Teagan, Selena Silver, Jennifer Luv, Aurora Snow are a few of many girls who could easily be "the girl-next-door".

As far as stilettos go, that seems to be something that the girls just aren't wearing right now. A director is likely to bring wardrobe that doesn't include shoes for the girl. You can guess that a girl might be a size small or medium or whatever. But even if a girl says she wears 7 1/2 shoes, it's a risk that the shoes most likely won't fit very well and the girl won't be able to walk in them. So the director relies on the girl to bring good shoes, and they often bring clunky shoes or platform shoes. Go figure.

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I don't particularly care for the Andrew Blake, Penthouse come to life, aspirational fantasy thing. What I do like is the attention to detail; you'll never see a pair of dirty tennis shoes in the corner of one of Blake's Euromansion sets. I wish someone with Blake's resources and panache would do girl-next-door, "gonzo-ish" porn.

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While many claim to have a preference for natural, wholesome looks, that does not prevent them from watching skanky, trashy women sporting rivers of tattoo ink, enough piercings to make Swiss cheese look like a solid block, and misshapen, tumor-like implants.

The concept of balance, proportion, and simplicity are largely devoid in American porn. Living in such an extremist society makes you much more careful about your choices if you don't want to be just like the others. Luckily, America is all about the individual's right to choose.

I recommend you look for porn marketed for couples or possibly try some quality European porn (e.g., Private). Good luck.

Edited by - cv on 7/5/2004 4:08:56 PM

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and surely we must have high heels in porn - I love feet, don't get me wrong, but surely many will agree, a woman's foot presented in some stilletoes, just adds so much - it should be the law!!

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Sounds rather harsh doesn't it? Kinda judgemental towards european performers.... well, I don't actually feel this way, but rather suggest that lumping all americans and our women into one category is about as logical as me making an assumption on Euro talent. Realize that American women come from all walks of life; Demi Moore has fake breasts, is she not somewhat elegant? Angelina Jolie has a fair amount of crappy tattoos, is she not sexy as hell? And if you don't agree that these women are attractive, you can at least, I hope, be open minded enought to realize that a large segment of society thinks that they are indeed hot.

You want 'natural' beauty? Try hairy movies such as Rodney Moores Horny Hairy Girls. Oh, but thats TOO natural. The woman needs to be manicured to the point of being a porcelain doll; is this elegant? I find this as distasteful as a bad boob job; yet, I don't call such women skanks, etc. Its a matter of taste.

Why is there a lack of elegance in porn? Maybe its because women are getting to paid to fuck on film, men are trying to blast a cumshot and maintain wood, and the film producers live in the biggest mansions off your porn dollar. Its not exactly the portrait of 'elegance.'

Studio A has enough beautiful women for years to come; Aria Giovanni, Justine, these women are hot as hell. I would think that with Private, Studio A, and select Digital Sin titles, a ton of chicks exist that fit your ideals.

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Oh, and a question to Tricia - any news on John Stagliano doing another feature? I loved The Fashionistas (like many here)...and think he really has a big future as a feature director.

Edited by - experimentalguy on 7/5/2004 5:12:20 PM

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I did notice these summery sandals however, a bargain at only $585.

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Mistimed
Don't despair
a three minute love
gone hard

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Why is there such a lack of it? I think it is a matter of supply and demand. I just don't think that the vast majority of the American porn viewing public have enough of an appreciation for it. It is in many ways a cultural difference I believe.

As much as I love porn with natural beauties, wearing fine french lingerie and expensive couture fashions having passionate sex I must say there is a very warm place in my heart for some of the incredibly inventive stripper style outfits we see in American gonzo. I think they both have there place, its just that the latter is occupying a much larger space.

If only someone could amalgamate Andrew Blake and Jules Jordan into one person for a couple of releases. Hey that's actually a good idea! Just to veer totally of topic how fricken good would a Jules Jordan title be where he specialized in Euro girls wearing super expensive French lingerie and high fashion of the runways of Milan?

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Even the Victoria's Secret knock-off's aren't cheap - Fredericks of Hollywood routinely charges $30-40 for a matching bra and panty set, and these have to be the right size for the actress.

But those ubiquitous fishnets - they're one-size-fits-all, they don't cost much money ($8-15), and they can be ripped open by the actors, just like a birthday present.

Now, some Euro-porn the actresses are a bit better dressed than American ones. But when there's an American director filming Euro actresses, they can end up looking just as tarty as anyone working in Los Angeles. On some recent BTS that I watched, the American director requested that a Czech actress don some black fishnets; he was ecstatic when a production assistant ran out and bought some. He was not going to start the scene without the fishnets.

And shoes - blech! Doesn't anyone read Vogue or Harper's Bazaar? Or even Elle or Glamour? I'd rather the actresses wore flip-flops. The shoes they all wear look like something from 1978, and bought from a thrift shop. (Sorry, but it's one of my hang-ups, the shoes in porn).

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You're confusing non-insiders like me. I thought you guys stuck all that pesky excess cash into real estate and no-load mutual funds.

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Now just try getting some of those 18 year-olds to understand the nuances of dressing sexy but not trashy.

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Getting 18-year-olds to dress sexy but classy might be an insurmountable challenge, so could you please just have them shop here?

Thanks in advance!

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It took a while, but my make-up artist did a great job of toning down her make-up to a sort of urban hippy chic/GND look (and did a nice job with him too!) I thought for sure when she saw how she looked she was going to wear the make-up off the set.

But no. As soon as the make-up artist left, she went into the bathroom, took all the pro make-up off, and re-applied her war paint.

-T.C.

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I think it is basically a cultural thing: While US-directors are really good in shooting gonzo they simply dont have the aesthetic vision Frech or Italian directors have. And most porn viewers just care about holes and maybe a bit compassion.

Luckily in most parts of Europe girls just dont feel like women if they dont present themself the best they can. Thus when filming in Prague, Budapest or Paris clueless US-directors just get exposed to some fashion refinements during their castings already. And I guess, if the girls pay themselves for their outfits, they dont mind.

Now they should just live long enough in these places to actually care and we would actually get hardcore gonzo-frienzied little Andrew Blakes.

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Sometimes European directors, when they're working in Los Angeles, do try to dress the women better. In the BTS footage on PXP's The Pussy is not Enough 1, Manuel Ferrara attempts to get a red lace-up corset onto bella-marie wolfe. however, its too small for her. both she and the female production assistant have no idea how to put the corset on . they think the lacings go in the front - manuel has to show them the lacings go in the back. how can the women be so clueless - havent they ever watched "gone with the wind"?

onto bella-marie wolfe. however, its too small for her. both she and the female production assistant have no idea how to put the corset on . they think the lacings go in the front - manuel has to show them the lacings go in the back. how can the women be so clueless - havent they ever watched "gone with the wind"?

onto bella-marie wolfe. however, its too small for her. both she and the female production assistant have no idea how to put the corset on . they think the lacings go in the front - manuel has to show them the lacings go in the back. how can the women be so clueless - havent they ever watched "gone with the wind"?

onto bella-marie wolfe. however, it's too small for her. both she and the female production assistant have no idea how to put the corset on . they think the lacings go in the front - manuel has to show them the lacings go in the back. how can the women be so clueless - haven't they ever watched "gone with the wind"?

In the end, Bella-Marie wears fishnets for her scene.

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The truth is just an excuse for a lack of imagination.

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I went and took a look at my Frederick's of Hollywood catalogs. Although 90% of their corsets/bustier/merry widows do lace up in the back, they do have a few that lace up in the front. Plus, they sell shirts called 'corset tops' that also lace up in the front.

What Manuel Ferrara was trying to have Bella-Marie wear was like the corset below, that only goes around the waist, and laces up in the back. He seemed to be unaware that they come in different sizes, and that he had one that was too small for her.

And to answer part of your question, don juan, the outfit this model is wearing (corset, bra, Cuban heel stockings, shoes) costs $113. And this is from Fredericks, one of the more reasonable priced lingerie companies. Something equivalent from Victoria's Secret would cost about $140-$150.

A fishnet body stocking or dress costs $15-$20. It will literally fit every actress. You do the math.

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even i could learn something new about dressing up,
if you're a girl you should assert your right to take the clothes home after the shot

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I do sincerely hope there is a place for elegance without rubber.

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As for the women, in highschool I seem to remember the hardest humpers were rarely the ones receiving training in classical dance and violin. (Except maybe Liz.) Elegance and rampant cocksucking may be two separate career paths for the most part. Some ladies manage to mix in a little of both worlds, but the new breed of pornstar we're seeing is not required to have taken Elegance 1A.

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I disagree that there is very little porn with elegance. Feel free to watch Andrew Blake's Hidden Obessesion starring Janine. (My favorite video of her mind the way) and private videos starring Silvia Saint and other videos staring Silivia Saint.

I just want to tell you that what you call lack of elegance, others call celebrating core sexuality. What makes you think raincoaters(which I am not) are going to find elegand videos sexy! A ton of raincoaters find Vivid, JKP, Andrew Blake, Elegant angel very boring because the primal passion is not to their standards. Heck I have heard many raincoater tendency viewers staten that Taylor Hayes Fade to Black performance wasn't nasty enough. Yet, I guarantee there are plenty of men and women who find Taylor Hayes even in that movie very vulgar. Again what you call elegance many raincoaters or people who enjoy more agressive sex call boring.

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[lesbian] Viv Thomas, Greywood, Zaye (Pussy Foot'n)
[pantyhose etc] Bob's Videos
[bondage] Harmony Concepts
[older women] Girlfriends Films
[fetish] Andrew Blake

May your wallet be thick enough, so that you can spend all you have on glamour women. A shortage there is not, not of women, nor of videos.

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The excuse that decent lingerie is just too expensive would carry more weight if other companies weren't already shooting with it . How can it be too expensive for most American studios but acceptably priced for their European counterparts ? Is there some sort of lingerie tariff in place ?

Em - I've been thinking of trying one of Bob's videos . Is Lez do Lunch any good ?

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I bought several videos on CDR from Bob's - featuring Cory Lane (my #1), and had multiple coronaries as a consequence. May that stand as both a warning, and a recommendation :] :)

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Euro-porn, though it does have plenty of gorgeous women dressed very elegantly, and doing very nasty things, somehow manages to leave me cold or worse. So many of the latest crop of actresses I've seen (though I'll admit, my exposure is fairly limited) seem to have this dead-behind-the-eyes look that is serious wood-kill. That is, if they ever manage to look at the camera. I can't for the life of me understand what the deal is with so many of these directors - it's almost like they're telling the actresses to NOT look at the camera. To me, the whole point of porn is to feel like the actress is relating to the audience as she's doing all these nasty things. When there's NO eye-contact, it feels downright disdainful. (end of rant)

Beautiful women in sexy shoes (only) is one of the hottest things in porn. Unless, of course, the actress has incredibly beautiful feet. Otherwise I say, please keep the shoes on. I won't argue the finer points of shoe styles except to say that heels are hot, flip-flops are not!

Does anyone remember the movie The Unbearable Lightness of Being, where the Sabina character (Lena Olin?) kept her hat on during the lovemaking? That was hot. Reminds me of that song "You can leave your hat on".

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Cumwhipper , I guess European porn probably just isn't for you then . Girls looking into the camera always looks fake to me , and it shatters whatever spell was being woven up till then . Not for me the "look how many 2/4s I can shove in my ass . look how much love being strangled . see , I am enjoying my self , honest . honest . honest ."

To me the whole point of porn is for me to get off while watching some sexy girls/women . If they can relate well to the audience and express their sexuality , fine . Unfortunately Alisha Klass is still the only woman I've watched who's truly capable of this . For my money anyway . If the girls can't do it I'd rather they didn't try . It makes for painful viewing and judicious use of the FF button .

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Speaking of big tents, I'm off to the local rental shop for the latest releases....

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I rather like rough sex scenes when one can read fear, pain, exhaustion, embarrassment, humiliation, etc. in the face or in body language, than an easy-going attitude.

Because I can trust that it is either well acted or the performers are responsible, informed, consenting adults, who play/act in a risk-aware safe and sane manner, I see no problem in enjoying such scenes.

This said, the various forms of "casting"-movies are not well suited for me, because I miss the "safety-net" described above.
I know that the embarrassment etc. is staged, but the lack of fantasy or acted fantasy feeling leaves me somehow ambivalent and I can't enjoy such movies, which are rather soft compared to movies with SM-scenes, I'd rate diamond-hard, which I can enjoy.

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