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~ GaySatyr

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I LOVED that quote! Hope you don't mind too terribly much if I steal it for myself

Tina

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Another quote from him, "Ours is a strange & wonderful relationship - you're strange & I'm wonderful!"

~ GaySatyr

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how the hell do you get a body like that?
Does he work out everyday or something?

Shit.. if I looked like that I'd probably walk around like that too. (well maybe for the first few days or so..)

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Interesting question. In all honesty it had never occured to me that I'd never seen an Asian-American in
hetero porn till now. I know there have been a couple of asian guys in gay porn and then there's the stuff
imported from Asia so I guess I just didn't notice that I never saw Asian guys in US vids.

Being a production company we are always getting letters and photos from guys who want to be in adult movie.
(By the way, our directors/producers do the casting so please don't send photos...well, unless you're really,
really hot...wait, what am I saying?!...please feel free to send me naked photos of yourselves!)

Where was I? Oh yeah...we get lots of photos! But in over 10 years I've never seen a letter from an Asian-
American guys asking about how to get into porn. Obviously, one persons experience at one company doesn't
make a rule, but it does seem like it's just not something Asian guys do. Whether a guy would encounter resistance
from the industry I just don't know. But, it's an interesting question.

Faron

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Generally, the entertainment business, in almost all its forms, has not been a career endeavor most Asian males are raised or encouraged to enter. Future and present generations may change this attitude, but it may take another ten years or so.

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"Madness takes its toll, please have exact change." -- Pete Murphy

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Well, it's clearly not demographics...there's a thriving market for black and hispanic porn -- maybe not proportional to the population, but there's enough of it out there.

There are plenty of Asian women who enter porn, but not even a single guy who people can reference to. I can explain the women entering porn -- I know so many non-Asians who have a thing for Asian women -- petite bodies, small breasts, cute faces, generally submissive attitudes, etc.

But what stereotypes do people have for Asian men? No buff bodies, small endowments, and no redeeming porn qualities. Male stars fall into two broad categories: buff and hung or relics who survived from the days when you didn't have to be good looking to get into porn.

Given that it's extremely difficult to break into porn if you're a guy unless you're really lucky or baggage with a pretty girl, I don't find it surprising in the least that it's difficult to break in if you're not at least a white male. Without some fetish that viewers desire, why would any production company hire that guy when there are others who have something that people want?

Just ask yourself, how many men of color do you see in porn who either aren't massively hung, attached to some promising starlet, or have some strange talent? I think it's really naive to think that there's some cultural taboo for Asian guys not wanting to become porn stars. I think the real reason is lack of demand, and perhaps unstated discrimination.

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What's worse is when younger more gullible viewers take those stereotypes as fact in the real world. I've dated a girl in college who had experience with guys of different races....she told me that I was bigger than the black guy she dated...and was surprised because of the widely accepted stereotype that implied otherwise.

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Besides, by working on porn I happen to know about a hundred of hookers MONTLY, and they all say that japanese folk are small-peckered.

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You could be correct.

DenverDon

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1. On average people of direct African decent have larger lips than those not of direct African decent.

2. On average black women have larger butts than white or asian women.

3. On average Asian women have smaller breasts than black or white women.

4. On average Asian men have smaller cocks than black or white men.

When we're talking about physical features, studies have been done, there is empirical evidence. Let's not take all this time beating around th bush. The reason you don't see more asian men in porn is because the market isn't there to demand it. I don't like seeing small or limp cocks on screen....black, white, asian, hispanic, whatever. If it's big hard and going up some womans ass I'll pay to see it.

I really feel that you all are smart enough to know that we're all different. It doesn't make you better or worse...just different. Last I checked Asian countries still had a decent birth rate. Last I checked the Japanese make the best condoms (Kimono). Last I checked women were still having orgasms in the eastern hemisphere. Lots of big dick slobs out there that couldn't give a woman an orgasm if their lives depended on it.

End of story.

Boat Drinks!!!

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The census data alone lets you know why more asian males aren't in porn...2000 census says 3.9% of 280+MM U.S. residents identify themselves as Asian. That means north, south and east Asia. I would think the math breaks down something like this:

3.90% 11,107,079 - total number of asian people in U.S.
50.00% 5,553,539 - Asian males
50.00% 2,776,770 - Asian males over 18
5.00% 138,838 - Number of Asian males that would THINK of being in porn
2.00% 2,777 - number that would actually take ANY STEP to fulfill their dream

Break it down further and you're left literally with a few handfuls of Asian males to hold their cocks tightly and represent thier race. Lets move on shall we?!?!!?!!!!!?!!!

Boat Drinks!!!

RoccoFan

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And for the record, there have been others but not many asian men in porn (esp. straight porn).

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Largest Penis by Race:
"It is generally said that the penis of the Negro is very large," so wrote German anthropologist Johann Friedrich Blumenbach in 1795. "And this assertion is so far borne out by the remarkable genitory apparatus of an Ethiopian which I have in my anatomical collection." Louis Jacolliet, a 19th century French writer who spent three decades investigating penis size, had this to say: "In no branch of the human race are the male organs more developed than in the African Negro." Certainly, the belief in the well-endowment of the African race has an extensive history. But is it justified by the facts?

Going strictly by the Kinsey data, which still remains one of the most exhaustive studies on penis size to date, the average white male has a penis measuring 6.2 inches long and 3.7 inches around, whereas the average black male has a penis 6.3 by 3.8 inches, for a difference of 0.1 inches--not what you'd call statistically significant. When it came to flaccid length, however, blacks fared a little better: 4.3 inches long, versus 4.0 inches for white males. So it may be, therefore, that while those of African heritage appear larger initially, under actual working conditions things tend to even out. You should consider this a tentative hypothesis rather than a scientific fact, as there were only 59 black respondents to the survey, versus 2,500 for whites.

Smallest Penis by Race:
Inhabiting the low end of the penile spectrum are those of the Asian persuasion, specifically those of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, or Vietnamese descent. Hard data supporting this claim comes from The Definitive Penis Size Survey, a website maintained by Richard Edwards and dedicated to answering the imponderable mysteries surrounding man's most cherished appendage (the mysteries related to size, anyway). Among the interesting tidbits we gleam from his work, now in its sixth edition, is a graph correlating different erect sizes with race. The final tally: Caucasians on average measure 6.5 inches (16.5 cm), whereas the average Asian measures--5.5 inches (14 cm).

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Thanks for the info. I went to that site about 3 months ago and I thought I had it bookmarked but I didn't.

All those that think that Asians are being excluded or that one negative stereotype is hurting a generation of Asian men need to rethink their position. This is America every single group has negative stereotypes attached to them.

Boat Drinks!!!

RoccoFan

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I don't know about that. For years, most men in porn were ugly. Indeed, most still are. Did the market demand that? I doubt it. Seems like most were just friends of the producers, and if the porn business is based in LA (as opposed to San Fran, where there'd be many more of Asian decent) then it just figures most would be out of luck white guys.

If aesthetics were a factor in deciding on male talent, there'd be more attractive men generally, and that would include Japanese men (or Asian/Caucasian offspring). Especially now that body hair is out of fashion, given Asians' relative lack of it.

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a) You CANNOT judge a book by its cover.

b) Direct correlation noted linking large penis size with lousy lovemaking skills (not to mention lower intelligence level, though this could be a temporary blood-to-brain issue). The inverse also seems to hold true.

c) Anyone bragging about their dick size probably has a reason he feels the need to in the first place. The same goes for anyone boasting about how good they are in bed. Write them off immediately.

d) Shoe size correlation is an urban myth

e) The Battle of The Bulges: Beware, this can often be anything from a rolled-up sock to a prosthetic device. Keep in mind too that there is often a huge difference in flaccid state vs fully erect, so males should never be too quick to judge that guy in the next urinal.

f) It takes an awful lot of blood and sweat to raise the Titanic, and the results never seem quite as concrete, swift, or as much fun as the smaller tugboats.

As for the lack of Asian males in porn, who knows? I would welcome any new face as long as he has the ability to speak and displays some personality, but basically they're just used as meat puppets and pounders.

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Interesting. Do you suppose they don't learn anything because they're always getting hit on, so there's no incentive to develop any skills?

Maybe we should do a poll: are beautiful people boring in bed?

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I find this thread is offensive, and quite franky am shocked at how insensitive and ready some of our forum members are to share and spread their sterotypes.

Can't we please let this thread die now?

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Just because Americans put great emphasis on things that are bigger, doesn't make those things any better.

Boat Drinks!!!

RoccoFan

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Personally, I think Asian-American culture is very insular and community oriented. An Asian man entering porn would most likely garner shame from his family and community as a failure.

The Asian men I have associated actually feel that it is very important to make their family happy. They seek professions that are considered respectable. For example, one guy I was going to school with was great with computers. He enjoyed working on them. But he obtained a biology degree and was planning to become a dentist because that was the only profession his parents felt was acceptable.

Family is tight in Asian communities. I don't think porn star is a very respectable job, so not many will seek it.

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I didn't know his name, Walter Burns did. One of the greatest porn names ever in my opinion:

1 - a parody of all of the Bruce Lee imitators (Bruce Li, Bruce Le, etc.)
2 - I don't know if he is Hawaiian, but LEI is a reference to Hawaii, with a large Asian population
3 - a pun on LAY, to have sex

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Shiet, with a bit of HMTL programming training, I could personally put some "scientific, definitive survey results" claiming that the initial findings were wrong, and that Asian males were 1.2 inches longer than initially observed, on average! That whole thing is ridiculous, and to quote an INTERNET study as some kind of scientific fact is AMATEURISH, college-boy style idiocy. Give me a break, compadre.

Just for fun, I will cite another internet link that suggest whites are not as big as they claim (And in turn this opens up the question -- are ALL black men as hung as they claim they are. My answer: highly unlikely.)

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_358876.html

Apparently, German males that were interviewed to gather statistical data by German condom makers for condom production have been over-claiming their size on surveys. And hence our Teutonic brothers' condom factories have been churning out condoms that are too big for the average German man. So what does that PROVE?

It proves that the size discrepancy between Oriental and Occidental men are *NOT* as pronounced as once thought. According to that new study cited in the link/report, German penises are 5.75 inches long (you do the conversion... the size of 14.48 centimeters stated in the study puts the imperial (inches) measurement firmly between 5.5 and 6 inches) -- not well over 6 inches as once claimed. And since a great proportion of white Americans are of Germanic stock, I don't think it would be so farfetched to assume some genetic connection with their distant relatives back on that side of the Atlantic.

Some guys might come back at this claim by pointing out that Americans of European descent might have "evolved" to be different from their cousins, but I find that notion pretty ridiculous. Most European Americans haven't been in America for over 200 years (what's that -- like 4, maybe 5 generations?), and that is DEFINATELY not enough time for evolutionary changes to take place. Evolutionary adaptations take place over MILLENIA. Besides, I can't think of any physical conditions endured by the Founding Fathers and their progeny that necessitated the evolution of bigger penises. WTF?

So what's the bottom line? A difference of under 0.5 INCHES between Asian and white men on average, perhaps. If one really is going to jump up and down over half-an-inch as a mark of sexual superiority or whatever, then they are infantile nimrods, in my opinion. Save a significantly large size discrepancy (for example if an Asian man were 3.5 inches long and a white man was 6.5 inches long), then it makes little difference whether or not we're talking about a 5.5 inch Asian penis or a 5.75 inch penis of European stock. Like many of you have said about seeing dicks on porn ("all I wanna see is a big dick fucking girls...", ad nauseum), size is purely aesthetic... especially in porn, but also in real life. Within reason, of course. To insinuate that an inch of difference in size will ruin the smaller-hung man's or his partner's sex life is rubbish.

Having said this, remember *AGAIN* that I am also citing an internet source as my supporting evidence. So that it for all it's worth... I don't claim it as the bottom line, unlike our friend Mongosbull. But at least I can *suggest* things in an open-ended way, instead of using a amateurish site as some definitive, scientifically hard "evidence". I think this attempt to slam shut an old topic that has been re-opened for re-inspection smacks of some odd insecurity, or wishful thinking to sweep things right back under the rug.

So let it rest, cowboy. And let people openly discuss things. You're trying to put the plug back on something that you really (perhaps desperately) wish were true.

And on a separate note that quote from the 17th century scientist about Eithiopian penises was interesting... it's truly a relic from times gone past. haha... But consider this: Eithiopia is a region of Africa with a considerable Caucasian-Negroid admixture. Specifically, I'm talking about Arabs and sub-saharan Africans (what we Americans typcially think of when we say 'Africans'). The intermixing of the Negroid and Caucasoid peoples in the region surrounding the Arabian Peninsula (present day Saudi Arabia) takes away the credibility of using an Eithiopian as definitive evidence that all "negroes" are invariably large, because it begs the question: would a black man of 'pure' negroid ancestry, say a Sudanese be even larger than an Ethiopian - because he is 'more black' than a racially mixed Ethiopian? If that question can be answered definitively by a racially diverse team of scientists (with representation from all racial groups to avoid exaggeration or alterior agendas taking effect), then I might be willing to belive these stereotypes about penis size, i.e. that blacks are bigger than whites, and that whites are bigger than Asians.

And since I'm at it, I'll also that there are many different races and ethnic groups in Asia. I feel that it is pertinent to note this, lest we continue with our ignorant American tradition of lumping a hugely disparate population as the Africans into one group, as a collective stereotype.

In Asia there are Japanese, whom are islanders. There are Filipinos, who are also islanders. They are small, as are the South Eastern Asians and Southern Chinese, who make up the overwhelming majority of Asians that live in North America.

On the other hand, there are Mongols, Northern Chinese, and Koreans, who tend to be on the larger side. (They are of similar build as Northern Europeans in height and heft, and if they received the aid of American-style training and superb nutrtion, I don't doubt that they could be as built as Americans are.) If the abundance of 7-foot Asian NBA centers from these Northern regions is any indication, men of above-average height and mass are NOT the exception in those parts of Asia. This might be suggestive of their relative penis size. In Beijing China and that general area of North Eastern China, men well above 6 feet is common, more common than a person heavily influenced by stereotypes might think. In this SIZE-OBSSESSED culture of ours, with big cars, big buildings, big houses, big food servings, big everything, big dicks -- it's easy to lose track of reality. Size is an OBSSESSION that reaches comic proportions in America, and I think it would serve all of us well to realize the absurdity of that.

regards,

jy

Edited by - jy on 10/7/2003 9:01:38 PM

Edited by - jy on 10/7/2003 9:06:44 PM

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Read about this madman here

Edited by - snowchasse on 10/10/2003 2:56:59 AM

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Thanks for the interesting link, though.

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