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Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Supporter
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Meh
4655 Posts
10/13
Posted - Feb 5 2016 : 3:38PM
I hardly ever see these studios mentioned on the forum. They use most of the popular talent, both male and female. They use nice locations. I'm not sure who their current roster of directors is, but in the past it's been competent people like Mike Quasar, Pat Myne, and Mick Blue. And given threads like these, I would think their relatively safe brand of gonzo would have a wider audience. So what gives? It seems as though they are regarded as an also ran around these parts.
misspornUSA
Senior Member

I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine).
8737 Posts
11/13
Posted - Feb 5 2016 : 3:50PM
^I've enjoyed some of Zero Tolerance's and 3rd Degree's IR content.
InstantClassic
Senior Member

What Have You Done To My Little Cable Boy?
2966 Posts
5/10
Posted - Feb 5 2016 : 4:17PM
I used to like 3rd Degree back in the day. But I am very picky when it comes to male performer and I don't like their current male cast at all. So I haven't seen a 3rd Degree/Zero Tolerance flick for for a long time.
Edited by - InstantClassic on 2/5/2016 4:35:21 PM
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

Meh
4655 Posts
10/13
Posted - Feb 5 2016 : 4:36PM
^ Who do they use now?
tintintin
Senior Member

1230 Posts
8/07
Posted - Feb 5 2016 : 4:44PM
Mostly one on one sex. I love ff fff and ffm...
They don't surprise or stand out .. they just make the average stuff.
I love orgy's but not the ones directed by Mike Quasar.
Edited by - tintintin on 2/5/2016 4:45:07 PM
 
Quorrl
Senior Member

2835 Posts
3/11
Posted - Feb 5 2016 : 9:29PM
Tommy Pistol, Mark Wood, Derrick Pierce, Antony Rosano, Will Powers... recently, that Small Hands guy is appearing a lot.
I think Mick Blue is now almost only in movies directed by himself.
I don't follow much whom they cast for IR movies..
MorganKane
Senior Member

6037 Posts
10/10
Posted - Feb 5 2016 : 9:38PM
Overall I've enjoyed 3rd Degree/ZT for a number of years. The female casting is almost always good. The guys they use can be a bit hit or miss tho.
Mass Facialties
Deactivated User

"Facialized Vol. 7" 2021 AVN Awards Winner: Best Oral Movie
9308 Posts
9/13
Posted - Feb 5 2016 : 10:09PM
Good question...I mean, they do feature scenes with all the girls I like (AJ Applegate, Sara Luvv, Riley Reid, etc.), but I think the last thing of theirs I watched was Skin Diamond's No Limits gangbang feature from a couple years ago. For some reason, I remember way back when the last time I had a membership I wasn't satisfied with the site layout; also, I seem to remember that they didn't offer much in the way of pictures. With that being said, has anyone had a membership recently and care to comment on the quality of the site?
cubbiefanoc
Member

474 Posts
4/15
Posted - Feb 5 2016 : 11:43PM
I am presently a member of Zero Tolerance/3rd Degree/Addicted To Girls website. My main purpose to get a membership was to download Mike Quasar’s g/g scenes directed by him.
I was surprised with how many scenes are on this site. I have been happy with my purchase.
Hits:
-Great female casting. Lots of Riley Reid, Sara Luvv, etc.
-HD going back at least 2010 (1080 at 10 Mbit/s)
-Variety of scenes (b/g, gangbangs, orgies, g/g)
-Daily updates
-Colorful scenes (not all white)
-Variety of backgrounds
-Back catalog of scenes going back many years is quite good.
-Frequently, scenes come to website before they become available on DVD.
-Lots of pictures (stills in one set and screen caps in another set). As an example, in the stills for a recent Abella Danger scene had 251 pictures.
-Very fast downloads
Observations
-Website needs a refresh.
-Most Male talent is not on the AVN Performer of the Year list. However, Mick Blue does come out with approx 1 DVD directed by him every couple of weeks. He usually performs and directs all scenes on the DVD
Edited by - cubbiefanoc on 2/6/2016 9:20:32 AM
N00dlesDaddy
Senior Member

Layla...got me on my knees...
1793 Posts
7/13
Posted - Feb 6 2016 : 1:36AM
As a lover of two-girl scenes, Blow Me Sandwich and Double Decker Sandwich are amongst my favourite video series, ever.
Dragon Sign
Deactivated User

3381 Posts
12/13
Posted - Feb 6 2016 : 11:27AM
They're my favorites big time. If it wasn't for the kitchen and bed and toilet, garden and walking the dog and bringing the groceries in, that's where I spend most of the time, with them aroundf in those appartments, being guided around either from Quasar or the notoriously focused king of the zoom Mr motherfuckin' Danny Case.
Mike Quasar
Zero Tolerance

Reluctant pornographer
1765 Posts
7/01
Posted - Feb 13 2016 : 12:34PM
I'll keep this as short as possible. As you know, there is now an entire generation that has never, nor will they ever, pay for porn. Profits are down 80% from 10 years ago. Companies that are still focused primarily on DVD will be gone soon. Narrowly niched web content is one strategy but not practical for us. Casting as wide a net as possible is another strategy. Therefore, our content has to satisfy many facets of the marketplace including DVD, broadcast and the web. This is a balancing act considering that the consumers of these different platforms often want different things. That being said, I'm still proud of what we are doing. We output more product than just about anyone in the business at the moment; 10 new releases per month across 4 different brands (Zero Tolerance, 3rd Degree, Diabolic and Addicted 2 Girls). I personally shoot over 40 scenes a month. ZTOD.com has been completely redesigned and our new releases and their artwork and trailers can be found here.
www.3rddegreepress.com
www.zerotolerancepress.com
www.diabolicpress.com
www.addicted2girlspress.com
Gore Gore Girl All-Star Supporter
Doctor of the Erotic Arts

7238 Posts
1/09
Posted - Feb 13 2016 : 12:37PM
The Pussy Cats series was one of the very first set of porn flicks I adored. Much love from me!
cubbiefanoc
Member

474 Posts
4/15
Posted - Feb 13 2016 : 5:14PM
Hi Mike:
Thanks for stopping by and sharing your thoughts. Like I said in my post, I really like the website. When I mentioned the need for a refresh, I should have been clearer. The ZT and 3rd Degree sections of the site are nicely laid out and organized. The part of the site that needs a refresh is the How To Kiss A Girl site that has much of your extremely well done g/g library of scenes. It isn't broken down by DVDs. It only is laid out by scene. It would really be nice to have a DVD tab. I am also a lurker on the Lez Love Video forum and enjoy your contributions to the forum there.
Draxxx
Senior Member

3831 Posts
2/07
Posted - Feb 13 2016 : 5:26PM
ZERO TORERANCE and 3RD DEGREE put out some great stuff and always have great talent working for them. Unfortunately, they don't do they type of over the top hardcore stuff and IR firsts so many on this site seem to be into so they won't get the props they deserve here.
 
Mike Quasar
Zero Tolerance

Reluctant pornographer
1765 Posts
7/01
Posted - Feb 13 2016 : 8:37PM
Well I've been in discussion with them about that. The thinking is that because the industry has shifted so drastically away from "movies" and is now almost entirely scene based, listing DVD's will seem a bit archaic and confusing. Personally I see nothing wrong with having both but the final decision isn't mine.
adogg
Senior Member

1338 Posts
7/10
Posted - Feb 13 2016 : 8:56PM
all i can say is will powers must have some very loyal friends in the industry
MorganKane
Senior Member

6037 Posts
10/10
Posted - Feb 13 2016 : 11:01PM
^^I personally like the DVD list. Makes things a lot more organized and easier to find (in my opinion).
Mass Facialties
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"Facialized Vol. 7" 2021 AVN Awards Winner: Best Oral Movie
9308 Posts
9/13
Posted - Feb 13 2016 : 11:14PM
One thing I've wondered about a lot in recent years is how much longer will the industry contine to produce DVDs? I mean, there's been talk about the the death of porn-on-DVD for years now, but yet, as far as I can tell, there's still a "sizable" segment of the pay-for-porn audience that buys 'em. Sure, DVD-only studios have gotta be on their last legs now, but how much longer will the big players in the industry continue to put out DVDs?
whatsatelephonebill
Senior Member

2935 Posts
10/11
Posted - Feb 14 2016 : 12:05AM
^
I'd imagine as long as people keep buying them. Print runs will probably get smaller and smaller, but you're shooting the scenes for the web anyway, and print runs of a few hundred or thousand really shouldn't cost that much. If nothing else, DVDs are great as merchandise for performers to sell to fans at conventions and personalized from their websites. The issue is that really, really soon (if not already), you're not going to be able to exist as a company shooting porn if you aren't also selling your scenes over the internet in some manner (either a paysite or as clips).
Mike Quasar
Zero Tolerance

Reluctant pornographer
1765 Posts
7/01
Posted - Feb 14 2016 : 12:15AM
DVD's still make money but they are also the fastest track to piracy. if your scenes aren't on your own website months in advance of your DVD release, you are fucked because the day you release a DVD, Mind Geek has already uploaded it to all of their tube sites.
whatsatelephonebill
Senior Member

2935 Posts
10/11
Posted - Feb 14 2016 : 12:17AM
^
Let's be real. Within a week of release on the web Mindgeek will have already uploaded it to their tube sites (but probably without any names to make it harder to find for takedowns). Because within a day of release it'll already be up on torrents (which isn't as big a deal since torrents have a much higher barrier of entry).
shalalin
Senior Member

1733 Posts
11/07
Posted - Feb 14 2016 : 12:42AM
I don't think that's true anymore, at least not in the sense you're implying. Files ripped from video-on-demand services seem to be everywhere these days, so whether or not a movie also gets released on physical media is nearly irrelevant now, as long as the VOD version is getting released at the same time.
Ice8303
Member

35 Posts
8/13
Posted - Feb 14 2016 : 4:16AM
Im a Fan of zero tolerance and 3rd degree until the end. They basically gave IR a creative lane in alot of ways. I salute you guys to the fullest. If by chance any cast or directors are reading this i would love to book anybody for an exclusive interview. Hope to hear from someone soon peace & love.
tintintin
Senior Member

1230 Posts
8/07
Posted - Feb 14 2016 : 6:36PM
Mike... is it possible to have a little bit of coversation between the participants in the orgy-scenes?
The setups and physical interaction isn't the problem.
I'm just a person who loves to hear poeple say nasty things to eachtother during sex.
Most of your orgy's are just alot of people making alot of noise in rooms that are sooo big.. the audio is going everywhere..
For example: When you make a couple-swap orgy ... it is nice to hear the spauses talk to eachtoher while fucking another girl or boy.
 
lex von v
Senior Member

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12/12
Posted - Feb 14 2016 : 7:08PM
I agree, also: while DVDs still have to be ripped and recompressed, the VOD version simply can be uploaded as-is. Talk about making it simple for the pirates.
A bit off topic, but...:
To my knowledge, legalporno does use some visual watermarks (some random dots appearing from time to time in the video, similar to the ones used in cinemas a few year back) to track individual copies. It appears the video files are individually tagged for each downloader, so it brings an additional server load as the files have to be personalized (be it by simply inserting some specialized keyframes into the video upon download), but in theory then the uploaded video could be traced back to the original downloader. I don’t know it legalporno uses this to weed out the users that do this, so I don’t know how feasible and how effective this method really is.
I can only compare it with the business at my company and the issue of stolen credit cards... Many purchases are simply made with these and fake names/addresses, and credit card processors not immediately tell you it’s fraudulent, but insist you ship out the merchandise (or else...), and 6 hours later they tell you the transaction has been stopped. So I guess it could be the same also for individualized downloads; if they are made with stolen credit card accounts, there’s little one can do.
Mike Quasar
Zero Tolerance

Reluctant pornographer
1765 Posts
7/01
Posted - Feb 15 2016 : 1:17AM
It's a little challenging because you're filming 10 people with 2 cameras so you pretty much try to split the room down the middle and hope for the best but I agree with what you're saying. Without a verbal connection as well, it's just bodies on sofas. I will work on that. Thanks
Mike Quasar
Zero Tolerance

Reluctant pornographer
1765 Posts
7/01
Posted - Feb 15 2016 : 1:23AM
Honestly, the genie is so far out of the bottle now, watermarks, digital fingerprinting etc accomplish almost nothing. You may be able to get your content removed from a few of the 100's of tubesites but there's so much free porn in general that it makes no difference. Unless they change the DMCA to put the burden of proof on the thief and not on the copyright holder, it's a lost cause. I'll be shooting weddings in 2 years.
Xhakorudan
Member

577 Posts
3/15
Posted - Feb 15 2016 : 1:31AM
Hey, Mike! I love your orgy films. I recently picked up "Mormon Orgy" and that is one of my favorite films. It think the only thing that needs work is the audio, and as mentioned above, more conversation between the partners. It can get pretty echoey. However, you are still one of the best out there, and it sucks that piracy is making it difficult for you guys.
I really liked the taboo setups of your recent orgy films like Mormon Orgy. I would love to see similar setups in the near future. The talent choices are great. Keep doing what you do best!
Overall, I think that Zero Tolerance is one of the few "older" studios that hasn't completel deteriorated over time. They still put out quality films and Dvds in my opinion.
lotus425
New Member

2 Posts
2/16
Posted - Feb 15 2016 : 2:21AM
I am a huge fan of zero tolerance and 3rd Degree as well. The attention to detail and camera work is one of the best in the industry. Hope they will continue to thrive in this difficult economy and genre of piracy. Paying for porn , live streaming must be accepted by viewers to allow the artists and industry to continue their great work. Discovering new talents, tapping their potential, combining great camera work and director is the secret of success.
The next phase of pornography will be Virtual Reality. VR goggles from Samsung, HTC, and Google will forever transform the way we experience pornography. Perhaps the added complexity of shooting VR contents will ensure viewers to pay for porn. Hoping VR technology will do what the porn industry did for the Betamax video player in the early 1980s
Harri Patel
Senior Member

#SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele
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3/03
Posted - Feb 15 2016 : 3:39AM
JackSparrow
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7/11
Posted - Feb 15 2016 : 4:21AM
i think too they both shot great stuff,Diabolic is another company that is very similar too.
Goldstein All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

"You have sacrificed nothing and no one."
3689 Posts
8/10
Posted - Feb 15 2016 : 7:34AM
I'm NOT going to bash any of these male performers here.
However, I would never seek out scenes involving any of them.
Back in the day (i.e. early to mid 2000's), I bought a tremendous amount of Zero Tolerance and 3rd Degree DVDs.
IMHO, they have not transitioned well to today's membership-site based delivery model (e.g. Brazzers, etc.).
Now that I'm into 1080 HD downloaded porn, I don't know when, or if, I'll ever buy a porn DVD again -- and I own at least 500 porn DVDs!
DVD resolution just doesn't cut it for me anymore.
Quasarman, ZT and 3rd Degree, over the years, have been some of the most talented and creative people in the industry.
Mike's behind-the-scenes bits were almost worth the cost of the DVDs by themselves
You guys need to find a way to make the Internet pay membership model work for you.
ZT and 3rd Degree have been off my radar screen for so long, it now saddens me to be commenting about it here.
Just to confirm, "scene based" porn is what interests me.
And, quality matters to me (production values, good camera and editing, performers made up nicely, etc.).
You'd think that ZT and 3rd Degree should have a big advantage here?
If you think about it, "scene based" porn was being put out on DVDs a long time ago.
For example, one of my favorite ZT lines ever was the Strip Tease Then Fuck series -- "scene based" porn put out as a common theme collection of scenes on DVD.
I can still play back Alexis Malone's opening, from her scene in Strip Tease Then Fuck #3, in my mind to this day
Mike Quasar
Zero Tolerance

Reluctant pornographer
1765 Posts
7/01
Posted - Feb 15 2016 : 11:56AM
Ok I was a few years off. And maybe it will be Bah mitzvah's instead :)
Harri Patel
Senior Member

#SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele
5110 Posts
3/03
Posted - Feb 15 2016 : 10:26PM
If you're shooting weddings in two years, it's going to be because Mrs. Quasarman vetoes a move to wherever the porn industry moves to after Shitstain Weinstein succeeds in chasing it out of California.
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