Why no search for 18 yr old male talent

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Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07	Posted - Oct 14 2007 : 9:34AM The other threads when we were discussing 18 yr olds in porn. We were talking about 18 yr old girls not guys. With the popularity of MILF's growing. I was wondering why porn producers weren't looking for 18 and 19 yr old males. Unless I'm wrong I bet a lot of the MILF's would love fucking an 18 yr old. A lot of MILF's have single girl sites. Why don't they start the search. [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Oct 14 2007 : 12:26PM Probably because 18 year old males have no wood control. [Link]
Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07	Posted - Oct 14 2007 : 12:42PM I don't think thats true. Maybe back in the day when guys working on nothing but talent. But today shoot a load, and take the pill, back to work. And I don't think the MILF"S would mind them shooting a load and coming back for more pussy. [Link]
FLYGUY Senior Member Good Night and Good Hockey 1355 Posts 7/05	Posted - Oct 14 2007 : 5:55PM Because I'm not gay.. [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Oct 14 2007 : 5:57PM I don't want to see some guy who has to pop pills to get hard when there are male stars who genuinely like what they do. See Steve Holmes if you want to know why 18 year olds don't really bring much to the table. Cookie cutter porn sucks, they guy is just as important as the girl. [Link]

Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07	Posted - Oct 14 2007 : 5:59PM FLYGUY wrote: Because I'm not gay.. Click to expand What the hell does not being gay have to do with it. LMAO I think it was very clear I was talking about for straight porn. [Link]
Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07	Posted - Oct 14 2007 : 6:01PM conquistador then your not watching much porn. And you never know what you will find till you look. Edited by - Shagdog on 10/14/2007 6:01:56 PM [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Oct 14 2007 : 6:03PM There is plenty of porn that doesn't feature pill popping guys with flushed faces. It could just be that I don't watch mature women stuff though. [Link]
Last Action Negro Member New Joisey 178 Posts 8/04	Posted - Oct 14 2007 : 7:16PM It's a male dominated industry. Would you rather have 100 18 year old chicks lining up in your office or 100 18 year old guys? On top of the fact that guys are constantly emailing, writing and popping up on message boards asking how to get into the industry. There's a shitload of young guys trying to do this. Why search? [Link]
Kimi Lixx Senior Member 2012 Posts 6/01	Posted - Oct 14 2007 : 7:26PM Probably because most (adult) straight men don't want to see boys* in their porn, and because most straight women don't (or don't want to) feel sexual attraction towards boys. I put an asterisk next to the word boys because I want to make the distinction that very young adults frequently look like children, both males and females. Shagdog, if you're trying to bring about a question/discussion of why porn viewers seem to be okay with, to the point of exuberance, the quest for young females but completely disinterested in questing for young males, the answer is simple. Men like girls. The only difference between men who don't molest children and men who do is social restraint and self control. Before a bunch of you guys jump all over me and tell me about how you would never touch a child and how disgusting you think men who do are and how they should be punished in the most remarkable way you can think of let me propose a situation. If a young woman, yes, you can tell she's young because her face is youthful, but not necessarily how young, with fully shaped breasts, round hips, and an obvious understanding of sexual matters, hopped into your lap and told you she wanted to have sex with you - you'd do it. The only reasons you might not do it would be social. (I.e. you're married, you don't want relationship hassles, she seems beneath your social status, etc.) You would accept any plausible answer regarding her age she gave you (I just turned 18 five seconds ago!). Chances are, if you found out later she was only 15 you wouldn't even feel bad about it - she knew what she was doing and what she wanted, so she was as "adult" as she needed to be. That's how men are. It's okay that men are that way. I applaud all men who restrain the desire for young females for nothing more than the reasons civilization has offered. It must be difficult. I think the sexual desires of women are not the same as men. I think that women who find children sexually attractive are probably really messed up in the head. I don't think most MILFs would find boys attractive at all. I sure don't. [Link]
Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07	Posted - Oct 14 2007 : 7:28PM I wonder if there is a shit load. The same guys keep showing up in the movies. With more and more women becoming porn customers. I would think a porn producer would try and cash in. It was just something I was thinking about while my football team was getting beat. [Link]
Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07	Posted - Oct 14 2007 : 8:03PM Kimi Lixx wrote:I think the sexual desires of women are not the same as men. I think that women who find children sexually attractive are probably really messed up in the head. I don't think most MILFs would find boys attractive at all. I sure don't. Click to expand Since the age of consent was raised a lot more women teachers than men teachers have been caught having sex with underage students. 18 as the age of consent is new to our society and it's not the normal way of things. So I think women are just like men in their desires. I'm in my 50's and I prefer not only dating women my age, but prefer mature experienced women in my porn watching too. I do not agree with calling 18 yr olds children and kids. Their adults. The government can execute them, send them to adult prison, give them life in prison. Give them guns and send them out to kill and be killed. And some people are appalled because some people like watching them have sex. There is honor in obeying the law. I obey the law too. But as always I value your point of view Thank you for posting Edited by - Shagdog on 10/14/2007 8:06:22 PM Edited by - Shagdog on 10/14/2007 8:07:18 PM [Link]
Kimi Lixx Senior Member 2012 Posts 6/01	Posted - Oct 14 2007 : 8:54PM Shagdog wrote: Since the age of consent was raised a lot more women teachers than men teachers have been caught having sex with underage students. Click to expand No, only a lot more women have made media sensations. Male teachers are caught every day, it's so ordinary it doesn't make big news. 18 as the age of consent is new to our society and it's not the normal way of things. Click to expand I'm not sure what society you live in, where I live the age of consent is 16. But that's consent for minors to have sex with other minors, the same as it's been for a VERY long time. So I think women are just like men in their desires. Click to expand We disagree, that's okay. I'm in my 50's and I prefer not only dating women my age, but prefer mature experienced women in my porn watching too. I do not agree with calling 18 yr olds children and kids. Their adults. The government can execute them, send them to adult prison, give them life in prison. Give them guns and send them out to kill and be killed. And some people are appalled because some people like watching them have sex. Click to expand I specifically said that young adults frequently LOOK like children. I said nothing at all about their rights as adult persons. There is honor in obeying the law. I obey the law too. Click to expand That would be that self restraint due to social custom that I mentioned. Excellent! But as always I value your point of view Thank you for posting Click to expand You're welcome, your perspective is valuable, too. [Link]
Steve Holmes Senior Member 1235 Posts 12/02	Posted - Oct 14 2007 : 9:05PM Hi Shagdog, I have nothing against young performers. James Dean for instance is a great guy. He started with 18 and we celebrated his 21st birthday not long ago with a DP and lots of alcohol. Manuel Ferrara, Rocco Siffredi, TT Boy and many more started out young. Manuel and Rocco shot movies before IAFD started listing them. The good ones come and stay. Shagdog wrote: ... Maybe back in the day when guys working on nothing but talent. But today shoot a load, and take the pill, back to work. Click to expand That is not what we are looking for. Steve Holmes [Link]
Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07	Posted - Oct 14 2007 : 9:17PM Kimi Lixx wrote: Male teachers are caught every day, it's so ordinary it doesn't make big news. Click to expand LOL I think thats female bias LOL I don't think so. Kimi Lixx wrote: where I live the age of consent is 16... the same as it's been for a VERY long time. Click to expand Define very long time. When you compare 5,10,15 years to the 400 years of our country and to the 100's of thousands of years of the world It's not a very long time. When you consider people have been having sex since the beginning of time. Here in Texas it was 14 for everybody when I was in High School. When I was in High School I had sex with 4 different women in their 30's. Didn't hurt me at all. mod: snipped the quotes Edited by - hardware on 10/15/2007 3:52:25 AM [Link]

Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07	Posted - Oct 14 2007 : 9:26PM Steve Holmes wrote: Hi Shagdog,The good ones come and stay. Shagdog wrote: ... Maybe back in the day when guys working on nothing but talent. But today shoot a load, and take the pill, back to work. Click to expand That is not what we are looking for. Steve Holmes Click to expand That was just a flippen remark about wood problems I should have stated the obvious. I'm sure there are 18 yr olds that are very good swordsmen But thanks for posting Steve I'm a fan of your work. [Link]
Johnothan Pedak Senior Member Catastrophe 1594 Posts 6/07	Posted - Oct 14 2007 : 9:58PM Yes, I would like to see more thirty second long scenes. [Link]
Breetai Deactivated User 154 Posts 7/07	Posted - Oct 14 2007 : 10:16PM I'm all for it -- maybe not 18 years old specifically, but I'm sick of seeing the same male performers fuck generation after generation of young female talent. Yes, the veterans are more skilled, but it's also more apparent from their mechanical performances that it's just a job -- fucking a hot girl should never just be a job. No matter how good they are, there's no hiding the hundreds and hundreds of scenes they've done on camera, and how easy it is for them to fuck her in every hole and pop a load on her face right on command at the end. I like the idea of letting young "underdogs" try and perform with a beautiful girl in front of a production crew and under the hot lights. Who cares if he suddenly pulls out and blows a huge load... on her thigh? Haven't we all seen enough perfectly executed facials to appreciate an imperfect but very genuine fuck? The other thing that I find amusing about this idea is that there are so many ultra-confident young men who MIGHT be up the challenge if given the chance... and it would be entertaining to see which ones rise to the occasion and which ones crash and burn on camera. Shane's World, of course, is at the leading edge of this... I recall on of the early College Invasions had some scenes where they just pulled college guys right off the beach and asked them if they wanted to get a BJ or HJ from the girl standing in front of them. They of course said "hell yeah". Both of them did great. One of them got a HJ and shocked the girl by making her cum before he did -- and almost made her cum a second time but he couldn't hold back any longer. The other guy was offered a BJ but turned it into much more -- got her to rim his ass, made her cum, throat fucked her, etc. He took on a professional porn starlet and walked away looking like a veteran. I say companies like Shane's World should have a standing offer to audition young men in their productions -- if they've got good looks, a big cock, and can shoot a big load, give them a chance on camera. Even better might be to use several of them in a gangbang -- that way, if one or two blow their loads early, the others can step up and continue the scene. [Link]
Dean Wormer Senior Member Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. 1048 Posts 7/04	Posted - Oct 15 2007 : 4:52AM Hey at least be glad that there are at least a few youngish guys in the biz. I can remember not so long ago when there was a younger man/older woman scenario the "young" male talent would usually be Dick Nasty or Rod Fontana. Not exactly conducive for the fantasy factor. [Link]
lenscap Member everywhere 185 Posts 10/05	Posted - Oct 15 2007 : 6:28AM Not many men will admit to it, but Kimi Lixx is 100% correct in her observations. [Link]
absynth Member absynth makes the heart grow fonder 434 Posts 8/06	Posted - Oct 15 2007 : 5:57PM The young/old theme was great in the late 80's... a lot of it feels like retread by now. Still, While finding younger guys may increase the fantasy aspect for some, I don't think it's necessarily going to make the product any better. Sure there are 18 year-olds out there who are up to the task, but there is a reason why we see the same male talent over and over and over and over... :P [Link]
absynth Member absynth makes the heart grow fonder 434 Posts 8/06	Posted - Oct 15 2007 : 6:09PM Kimi Lixx wrote: I think the sexual desires of women are not the same as men. I think that women who find children sexually attractive are probably really messed up in the head. I don't think most MILFs would find boys attractive at all. I sure don't. Click to expand This makes a lot of sense to me, especially when you consider the nurturing maternal instinct that most women have innately. Doesn't seem very natural at all for a woman to be attracted to anything but masculinity, when put in those terms. [Link]
picman Senior Member Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass. 2884 Posts 1/03	Posted - Oct 15 2007 : 6:38PM I can see where you're coming from in your original premise Shagdog, but I don't think that very many, or any, 18 yr olds are going to be hired for professional porn shoots. The male's job is much more difficult than the female performer. She qualifies just by showing up and being mentally prepared (or medicated), and lube will take care of the rest. A guy has to perform, and not many directors are going to risk their investment by taking a chance on unproven talent. The DIY aspect of much internet porn could feed younger males into the business, and probably already has just by giving younger guys a portfolio of sorts, but it would still take many months before it filtered down. As far as casting, I think a lot of directors would love to do a MILF scene the way it should be done, and the women could be turned on by the idea or not, but getting paid gets the job done. Steve Holmes mentioned James Deen, and I think Scott Nails was very young when he first started getting hired. At least he seemed that way. I think to a certain extent, you'll see what you envision in the future. Just not quite that young. [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Oct 15 2007 : 6:47PM If you want to see a very young looking male in a scene Tom Byron's early work might be of interest. [Link]
absynth Member absynth makes the heart grow fonder 434 Posts 8/06	Posted - Oct 16 2007 : 11:43PM I was pondering this thread as I stopped by my local vid shop for the first time in ages. Anyway, I just rented a flick called "Pick 'Em Young." Alana Evans is in all 5 scenes and she is with a bunch of (what I assume are)amateur dudes. I can see how a reverse on the MILF fantasy could be erotic to some, I'm just not sure I want to see the female equivalent of Dave Cummings banging a bunch of "teens." Alana was just right.... Edited by - absynth on 10/16/2007 11:43:46 PM [Link]

ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06	Posted - Oct 17 2007 : 1:20AM i prefer younger guys. [Link]
christianx Senior Member 1883 Posts 9/04	Posted - Oct 17 2007 : 4:11AM what shagdog was trying to say is that many of the internet companies such as naughty america, brazzers, bangbros, etc have sites with older women and younger guys. but there arent very many young guys in the business. so if there were an 18-21 year old guy who was any good, he would work a ridiculous amount. scott nails, jack venice, james dean, etc. its gotten to the point where johnny sins and derick pierce are considered young guys when they are in their late 20's or early 30's respectively. and kimi, since when do porn companies give a shit about whether the girl is turned on by the guy anymore. its a business now, and if they want to get paid they will fuck whomever for the most part. [Link]
nicolemalach Member 13 Posts 8/07	Posted - Oct 17 2007 : 4:40AM Steve Holmes wrote: James Dean... is a great guy. He started with 18 and we celebrated his 21st birthday not long ago with a DP and lots of alcohol. Click to expand I agree with steve james is a great performer. mod: snipped the quote - see the Forum Etiquette Edited by - hardware on 10/17/2007 4:52:18 AM [Link]
Mojo Deactivated User 1223 Posts 9/03	Posted - Oct 17 2007 : 7:01AM Bad idea for a guy to be interested in seeing young guys in porn. People might start wondering.... [Link]
Kimi Lixx Senior Member 2012 Posts 6/01	Posted - Oct 17 2007 : 7:51AM christianx wrote: and kimi, since when do porn companies give a shit about whether the girl is turned on by the guy anymore. its a business now, and if they want to get paid they will fuck whomever for the most part. Click to expand I was trying to relate as a viewer, not a performer. I know it doesn't matter if the performers aren't turned on by what they're doing. I assume, probably wrongly, that it does matter if the viewer is turned on by what they're watching. [Link]
Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07	Posted - Oct 17 2007 : 9:08AM Kimi Lixx wrote: I think that women who find children sexually attractive are probably really messed up in the head. Click to expand Kimi Lixx Theres that word "children" again. We're talking about 18 yr old men and women that are adults. LoL Go to male strip club for women. lol Yea mommas maternal instinct are flowing down her legs. lol picman everyone can fuck. It's not rocket science. An 18 yr old male with nice looks and the "package" can hammer as good as anyone. ma meeshka wrote: i prefer younger guys. Click to expand Your not a lone, so does most other women. Mojo wrote: Bad idea for a guy to be interested in seeing young guys in porn. People might start wondering.... Click to expand Who gives a fuck what people are wondering. You can't watch straight boy/girl porn without see the guy. Kimi Lixx wrote: I was trying to relate as a viewer Click to expand Thats what I'm talk about. A customer buys a MILF DVD or joins a milf site. And the young stud is older than MILF. If 18 or 19 yr old male does the job he'll develop a fan base just as Steve and Christian did. PS As a straight man my criteria for being a fan of a male porn star is totally different from female porn stars. 1) They can turn a women "on" and get the most out of her. 2)They can present the girl to the camera and show her sexuality to it's fullest. 3)They can leave some decoration at the end. When you see a Steve or Christian scene you get all 3 everytime. Edited by - hardware on 10/17/2007 12:39:20 PM [Link]
picman Senior Member Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass. 2884 Posts 1/03	Posted - Oct 17 2007 : 12:02PM Shagdog wrote: picman everyone can fuck. It's not rocket science. An 18 yr old male with nice looks and the "package" can hammer as good as anyone. Click to expand Maybe, but I think you'd get a good argument from women about that. Fucking on camera is not the same as fucking for fun, and most everybody knows and understands that. Guys have to prove they can do the job before anybody's going to give them a chance to fuck up their productions, no matter how much confidence you have in your fellow man. [Link]
Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07	Posted - Oct 17 2007 : 1:26PM Your just tryin to be argumentative now. Everyone of these guys were given a chance by someone. Production are fucked up everyday for one reason or another. Live goes on. I don't own a porn production company so I won't be hiring 18 or 19 yr old males or anyone else. [Link]
picman Senior Member Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass. 2884 Posts 1/03	Posted - Oct 17 2007 : 1:35PM I'm not trying to be argumentative. Many directors have clearly stated that they use the male talent they do because they can rely on them. Many female performers have refused to work with someone new because they didn't want to spend twelve hours on a two hour shoot. If you were in the business of shooting porn you'd probably make a similar decision. I'm sure the new young guys built up their portfolios on the net and doing mope work until they could be trusted. [Link]
Kimi Lixx Senior Member 2012 Posts 6/01	Posted - Oct 17 2007 : 10:10PM Shagdog wrote: Kimi Lixx Theres that word "children" again. We're talking about 18 yr old men and women that are adults. Click to expand You refuse to acknowledge that I said they LOOK like children. I don't care if they're 50 years old and they've been adults longer than I've been alive, if they LOOK like children, then that's how I, the viewer, relate to them. [Link]

ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06	Posted - Oct 18 2007 : 1:30AM Shagdog wrote: Your not a lone, so does most other women. Click to expand i'm not a woman. i don't watch porn for the guys, but i am young, so seeing old/older guys is not really interesting for me. at least if they were my age, or even closer to the girls' ages, it would be less creepy. mod: removed nested quote Edited by - hardware on 10/18/2007 1:50:29 AM [Link]
Pagoda Senior Member Thread Killer 1747 Posts 10/05	Posted - Oct 18 2007 : 6:59AM There are plenty of 18-year-old men working in porn. Gay porn, that is. I've got over 200 titles on my shelves at work right now, and more come out every week. The young, attractive, physically-fit men are snapped up by the gay porn industry, likely because they pay much better. [Link]
Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07	Posted - Oct 18 2007 : 7:13AM ma meeshka wrote: i'm not a woman. Click to expand Sorry about that I've should have said most people do. mod: nested quote removed Edited by - hardware on 10/18/2007 12:30:13 PM [Link]
RFrog Member 396 Posts 10/07	Posted - Oct 18 2007 : 11:51PM I agree with ShagDog. Although, directors don't necessarily have to cast an 18 year old guy. They can cast a 20 or 22 year old, as long as he looks young. An older woman rockin' a young dude's world. But, I wouldn't wanna see some cocky, tattooed punk with attitude. I'd rather see a "good boy". The good guy who graduated high school with good grades, has manners, etc. But, he's horny like everyone else. And a MILF fucks him... and he could roll his eyes back, make O faces, as if he's overwhelmed. Such a scenerio would take me back to my young days when I was horny as hell. That's the appeal. Try casting a very young guy. [Link]
Breetai Deactivated User 154 Posts 7/07	Posted - Oct 19 2007 : 2:34AM I see the point that it's a risk when you cast a young unproven guy -- you don't know what you're going to get. My point is I'm sick of seeing girls pull out their drivers license cards to show they're 18, and then get fucked by a guy who's 40+ years old and seems to be in half the other videos made in the last few years. I like the idea of a beautiful girl with a stunning body being introduced to some guy I've never seen before, and him being unable to hide the "this is the best pussy yet!" expression on his face. He doesn't have to be 18 per se... he just needs to be one or two steps up from pure amateur. I've thought for a while now that Shane's World should make a point of recruiting new male talent from the amateur guys they pull off the street. Like I said in an earlier post, many of them crash and burn on camera, but a few of them put on a great show -- Shane's World should hire them and use them for a year or two, with girls that are new to the business. I also like their behind-the-scenes extras... again, if you have some young performers still new to the business, it's more interesting. [Link]
Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07	Posted - Oct 19 2007 : 9:51AM Porn is growing. To make Boy/Girl straight porn. You have to have a guy to fuck the girl. If porn producer went to the trouble of finding and recruiting young talent. They would create a environment for him to succeed. I can see sticking a camera in a guys face and saying fuck this porn star would lead to "wood" problems. Given a chance to get use to the new environment I think you will have success. There are aids to help a guy get over the hump. And techniques that help him to perform. All porn companies would have to do is take down the "don't bother us" sign. Put an ad on their DVD's and web sites. "18 and 19 yr olds send us a picture of your dick". And "don't call us we'll call you" Porn still doesn't act like it thinks that for a head. So don't look for any changes. [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Oct 19 2007 : 8:46PM Kimi Lixx wrote: Men like girls. The only difference between men who don't molest children and men who do is social restraint and self control. . . . That's how men are. Click to expand I'm not going to fall all over myself protesting my virtue. And I know that you have a wide enough experience of men to have a credible viewpoint on this issue. Still, I think that men are more complicated and varied in their intrinsic sexual and emotional responses than you give them credit for. [Link]
cobalt60 Knuckle Dragger 2046 Posts 2/03	Posted - Oct 19 2007 : 9:14PM I've had to amend my answer in my head and on the screen so many times that I forgot what I was going to say, but it's somewhere between what Bob and Kimi said with a twist of cobalt, if anyone can tell me what that is any more. [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Oct 19 2007 : 11:29PM What that is? Fucked up, I'd say. [Link]
cobalt60 Knuckle Dragger 2046 Posts 2/03	Posted - Oct 19 2007 : 11:32PM SMILE when you say that. It's good to be me. [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Oct 19 2007 : 11:37PM I've never doubted that! [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Oct 19 2007 : 11:41PM BTW -- with that wife and that sister-in-law of yours, I think I'd like to be you. [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Oct 19 2007 : 11:42PM But now I'm just playing into Kimi's hands. [Link]
cobalt60 Knuckle Dragger 2046 Posts 2/03	Posted - Oct 20 2007 : 12:00AM [Link]
Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07	Posted - Oct 20 2007 : 3:14PM Interesting!!! No ‘His life will be ruined” post No “He can never be President” post or “He’s to young to make that decision” post. Mmmmmmmm I wonder if we have a double standard. This was the real reason for the thread. It seems some us don’t want to see a young man getting pussy. [Link]
Kimi Lixx Senior Member 2012 Posts 6/01	Posted - Oct 20 2007 : 5:47PM It's not a double standard in any other sense than financial. They actively look for new young women because it will generate income (because there is significant demand for new young(est) women). New young males are not going to generate any significant extra income for studios producing heterosexual porn (because there is not significant demand). [Link]