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dieter
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1 Posts
3/07
Posted - Mar 21 2007 : 2:10PM
hi, first post here! i'm dieter from london.

my question is: why is it that 90% or so of all sex scenes end with the guy jerking off in the girl's face? i have no problem with the facial part, but i'd like to see more of the girl doing the work instead of the guy.

to me it makes absolutely no sense for a guy to masturbate himself to cumming when he has a fine female specimen on her knees perfectly able to do that before him. would any guy in his right mind actually jerk off if he had sex with <insert favourite female pornstar here>?

to me, this can ruin an otherwise very good scene.

now, why is this? is it because the guy can aim the cumshot better if he does it himself? or do some performers actually have a problem cumming of they don't do it themselves? i really honestly want to know!

there are exceptions, though. i watched the hand 2 mouth series from 3rd degree and the cover had sort of a guarantee that the girls finished off the guys every time. some directors, such as pierre woodman or antonio adamo also seem to have more of this in their films.

am i alone in not liking to watch guys jerk off?

can anybody recommend some good films with a minimum of male self-stroking?

cheers,
dieter

DtotheJ
Member

190 Posts
8/06
Posted - Mar 21 2007 : 2:14PM
the reason is bad editing.....

would be better to stop footage of him pulling out...and then cut away to the last stroke he makes before blasting off...

Directors are supposed to mask, hide or edit flaws, unnecessary footage etc....

Drew Black
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9/99
Posted - Mar 21 2007 : 2:31PM
Viagra, Cialis.
_swede_
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579 Posts
4/05
Posted - Mar 21 2007 : 2:47PM
I agree. I like when the guy shoots just seconds after fucking the girl in the ass. Especially if it ends with the girl deepthroating the cock just after he cums in her mouth.
Baggio
Member

451 Posts
7/04
Posted - Mar 21 2007 : 2:59PM
I agree 100%. Way to much jerking off in porn.

there is no excuse for it. thats why I have been shying away from many titles.

One company that does it right is Private. 90% of time the girls do the finishing. And oh yea, they are for the most part hotter than most American girls in porn.

maybe its just the way Private shoots the scenes, but they certainly have it down right.

 
RandomPrecision
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8175 Posts
3/06
Posted - Mar 21 2007 : 3:26PM
I never understood why this bothers people so much. I never even really noticed it and never really cared. As long as the cum lands in the general vicinity of her mouth (preferably in it) and I get to see her swishing it around and playing with it, I'm a happy camper.

I've seen a few "hands free" cum shots or cum shots where the girl controls the action. A few of them landed on a nearby wall. They'll sometimes land in the general vicinity of the girl. A couple of times, they landed on a shoulder or a forearm. SEXY! Maybe TWICE I've seen this sort of cum shot end with cum actually in the girl's mouth. Of course, they usually spit it back out anyway but why make it easy for them to cheat?

Edited by - randomprecision on 3/21/2007 3:27:21 PM

LubeNLuv
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1854 Posts
3/06
Posted - Mar 21 2007 : 4:08PM
There are a ton of reasons I've seen for this, not sure if there is any "one" reason for it, but here's the most common ones I've seen listed:

1) The prevalent use of drugs such as Viagra more or less REQUIRE the male to jack himself off to a pop shot. His dick is so numb he can't really feel anything pleasurable unless he chokes the cum out of his cock. Personally, I saw this "jerk off to climax" thing way before the release of Viagra in 1997, so I'm not sure this is the only reason.

2) The need to "cum on demand" is part of the basic job description for a cocksman in porn shoots. To do this requires that he take control of his own cock as he knows his "pleasure zone" better than the chick he just met to fuck like 30 minutes before the shoot. So he jacks off to get the pop shot because he's the only one who CAN get the pop shot to happen when the director tells him to. I think this is more likely the reason, although the prevalence of dick-numbing "everhard" drugs like Viagra probably compound this issue.

3) Porn scenes do not necessarily involve sexual gratification for EITHER party, although I think most naive porn consumers like to THINK the participants are really "into each other" in some fashion. They are paid to fuck on camera, nothing more or less. As a result, the woman may not orgasm at all (her's is easy to fake) and the guy may only be able to orgasm if he "zones out" and jerks himself off. Sorry to dispel the illusion out there, but not all porn couplings are really all that erotic or fulfilling to the partipants involved.

4) There's some psycho-babble I've seen that pretty much distills the "jack off to pop shot completion" scene as being "in tune" with what you, the viewer, really WANT to see. Because, after all, you are jacking off while watching the porn scene and most likely hitting the FFwd button on the remote to try and time your own pop shot to that of the actor on screen. So even though you may complain about pop shots, you really desire to watch the guy jack off to completion because thats what YOU are doing at that moment in time yourself. Yeah, like I said...psychobabble. Might have some truth in it though. I think the whole creampie trend that started in the late 90's catered to the counter-revolution and to me gives me what I REALLY want....an accurate portrayal of sex-to-completion. All that's missing is the guy rolling off and falling asleep now and I'm set. :P

5) Jerking off ensures the semen is visible and somewhat aim-able and allows the "target" (male or female) to engage in other sexually stimulating activities...opening mouth, showing off tonsils, holding open ass cheeks, pressing breasts together or whatever. I'd like to see a woman who can hold open her ass cheeks while doing a reach-around to stroke the guys cock to ejaculation, and manage to get it to hit her gaping asshole at the same time. Now THAT would be some talent. But hey, all the more reason why 2-gals-on-1-guy is the best, right? Let the second gal do the stroking/aiming. At any rate, having the other party actively engaged in something "sexy" makes for good porn video footage...having them just hang on while you dump your load inside of them does not. And hey....multitasking with a cock in your hand ain't easy, try it sometime!

I'm sure there are other reasons than what I listed above. Personally, I HATE the practice, regardless of the reason, but mainly for blowjob scenes/flicks. The blowjob should finish with either the woman doing the stroking or with the guys cock buried in her mouth (no hands from him) or it's not a good blowjob. Period. End of story. If I wanted to jack off myself I'd do that and not buy a damn porno vid in the first place.

Oh and as to your last question, "can anybody recommend some good films with a minimum of male self-stroking?" Solo girl or girl/girl vids. Anything else is filled with pud-pullers.

Edited by - Lubenluv on 3/21/2007 4:24:08 PM

scipio
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2/00
Posted - Mar 21 2007 : 4:29PM
Excellent reply, LubeNLuv. My own hypothesis is based more heavily on #2, #1 and #5 but they are all very good points you have there.

cheers,

tittysucker86
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florida
218 Posts
2/07
Posted - Mar 21 2007 : 5:42PM
theres a lot of jerkoffs in porn. thats what a jerkoff does!!!!!! he jerks off!!! Im a fuckin jerkoff!!!! I jerk off!!!!! you can tell me, "thanks for the response, jerkoff!" I wont get offended. I jerk off, so that makes me a friggin jerkoff.

Edited by - TITTYSUCKER86 on 3/21/2007 5:44:04 PM

tittysucker86
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florida
218 Posts
2/07
Posted - Mar 21 2007 : 5:45PM
doesnt it turn-on women to watch a guy jerk off? You dont hear guys complaining that women in porn rub their clit too much!!
tritone
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1009 Posts
4/03
Posted - Mar 21 2007 : 6:01PM
I'm geting tired of newbies always bringing up this topic. You think you've suddenly discovered a novel discussion idea? Surprise! - its nothing new here.

My personal feelings -- I prefer seeing the girl do the finish, but if it doesn't happen it won't "ruin" the scene for me. I don't understand why so many people only care about how a scene ends instead of what happens leading up to it.

Splut!
Member

221 Posts
8/04
Posted - Mar 21 2007 : 6:34PM
Agreed. Unless the scene ends in a creampie or the girl finishes off the guy, I'm not buying. Renting, maybe.
BigMatt
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498 Posts
12/04
Posted - Mar 22 2007 : 10:29AM
Welcome!

I totally agree with you. I love cumshots, but I love handjobs even more. It is much sexier when the girl does the handwork.

BigBobxxx
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2681 Posts
5/04
Posted - Mar 22 2007 : 11:02AM
Agreed
+ 1
khyber
Member

197 Posts
5/06
Posted - Mar 22 2007 : 8:33PM
I'm with RandomPrecision on this.

I have to say, I really never thought of it as an issue, although it obviously annoys some guys, judging by the number of posts on this forum mentioning it.

What is important to me is the eye contact of the girl. If she's looking up at the guy and smiling (Leanni Lei was great at this), then I'm really only looking at her, I don't care if the guy takes a while to cum.


 
Freddy and Eddy
Member

37 Posts
3/07
Posted - Mar 23 2007 : 2:25PM
We rarely last to the end of a good scene before ripping into each other; however, the biggest turn on is when the female jerks the guy onto her stomach or breasts. The facial thing is so unrealistic (not to mention misogynistic). In almost 19 years together, we've never once emulated the squirting all over the face thing. Gross.
scipio
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2/00
Posted - Mar 24 2007 : 4:23AM
"Realism" and for that matter, "Misogyny" is in the eye of the beholder. Diff'rent Strokes and all that, Willis.

LubeNLuv
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1854 Posts
3/06
Posted - Mar 24 2007 : 10:07AM
Whachootalkinabout Scipio?
tit worshiper
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UK
33 Posts
5/06
Posted - Mar 24 2007 : 12:06PM
I have no problem with it but agree it can be tiresome when every single scene seems to end that way. I like it in bukkake movies to see a whole stream of guys covering the girl's face with cum (hot) but in a mff scene for example it would be nice to see the other girl bringing him to a climax for a change.
Swiss_Pornaddict
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106 Posts
4/06
Posted - Mar 24 2007 : 12:28PM
I think its basically an editing problem. They should only show the last stroke before the cumshot!
Gunzo
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1377 Posts
2/05
Posted - Mar 24 2007 : 12:51PM
But isn't the jerking part also about the girl eagerly waiting to get her pay?
Swiss_Pornaddict
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106 Posts
4/06
Posted - Mar 24 2007 : 12:52PM
Good Point!
Hardware All-Star Supporter
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Your other left
14594 Posts
3/02
Posted - Mar 24 2007 : 3:56PM
Um... ha ha?

No, that's not quite right...

hee hee...

Nah, that's not it, either...

ho hum.

Yeah, that's it.

Moon Dust Lady
Member

26 Posts
2/07
Posted - Apr 4 2007 : 3:22AM
I agree. This is one of the weaknesses of porn. A man should not be bringing himself to orgasm - the woman should be doing it for him. That's the point of sex - to share it with someone else, otherwise it's just masturbation. Women in particular would prefer to see the woman stroking off the man instead of him doing it himself.
Twilight
New Member

2 Posts
4/07
Posted - Apr 4 2007 : 8:57AM
I just love cum on girl face and any way to achieve this is good with me completely! :)
Thing that bugs me is that in most normal porn after final cumshot scene suddenly ends :( I just love to see woman covered in cum, just much much more than ordinary sex and with this porn movies I am bored most of the time and in the end when things starts to get interesting they end scene...


MY SIGNATURE

 
Hank
Member

34 Posts
1/07
Posted - Apr 4 2007 : 11:15PM
No matter the lame excuses for letting the men whack off to cum, it is a horrible practice an it should be banned. I think we should all write our Congressmen about it. There aught to be a law.

There are good videos without the jerk-offs. Heather Brooks always gets her man off with her lips alone!

I would like to see a gang bang where the guys do the woman untill they cum inside her twat and and the next guys sticks his dick in the creamed pie pussy and humps on. Wheer can I find a seene like that?

Alberto Rey
Member

191 Posts
10/03
Posted - Apr 5 2007 : 2:48AM
I agree totally with this post !
when I was performing I always let the director to decide if the girl just jerk me off or I do it my self.
At least he had that option !
From my point of view it was more logical if the girl do it !
I use to pop from a mouth fucking without even use my hands !
I was just pulling out when I felt I was cumming !

Endless Loop
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Tomatometer
1129 Posts
8/04
Posted - Apr 5 2007 : 3:37AM
Did you do this out of concern for her, or so that we the audience could see it?
If you did so on our behalf, please just stay the course, and blow "in" her mouth, preferably during mid suck, when she least expects it.

All proof will be made evident, soon enough.

Alberto Rey
Member

191 Posts
10/03
Posted - Apr 5 2007 : 8:58AM
Well this is how it goes...
In the end of the scene when time is came to pop I just tell the director how I will pop...
So I let him know that I will fuck the girls's mouth till I pop !
Not a big deal according me !
taco
Member

fresno
13 Posts
2/07
Posted - Apr 5 2007 : 8:46PM
I prefer it when the girl finishes him with her hands.
Moon Dust Lady
Member

26 Posts
2/07
Posted - Apr 5 2007 : 9:08PM
This is what I would prefer.
Orthocyclen
Member

40 Posts
9/07
Posted - Oct 29 2007 : 1:30PM
I'm just glad that there's porn that caters to my particular tastes. Thank goodness for the "Hand To Mouth" series and Marc Dorcel productions.
Dither
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650 Posts
8/05
Posted - Oct 29 2007 : 5:08PM
+1
noahped
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2978 Posts
8/02
Posted - Oct 29 2007 : 5:59PM
I've typed this many times before, dudes masturbating in porn has got to go. Let the girls do it please. Directors barely can get away with it though, if it is well edited up close to the cumshot, and there is post-cum head everytime. Long time jerking off masturbating with no post-cum head is absolutely unacceptable.
LubeNLuv
Senior Member

1854 Posts
3/06
Posted - Oct 29 2007 : 7:51PM
Hand 2 Mouth 5, however, has almost half the jackasses grabbing the cock AWAY from the chick and aiming or jerking themselves for the final pop.
May as well call that title "Another Male Masturbation Movie." I'm getting so fed up with directors in this business.
 
Mastrick
Member

220 Posts
5/06
Posted - Oct 29 2007 : 8:18PM
It's 1. Bad editing, 2. Guys doing too many sex scenes per day and 3. Poor control by the males that are jerking off. If you want to shoot a good size load take a multivitamin, a vitamin E and a zinc tablet every day and abstain from sex for three days before sex. If you do a facial you'll shoot a load that makes her look like a jelly-glazed donut.
Orthocyclen
Member

40 Posts
9/07
Posted - Nov 2 2007 : 8:48PM
I saw some snippets. Worst thing ever. The whole point of the series was to avoid scenes where the guy jerks himself off. Seriously, Jenna Haze is one of the best blow job artists ever. Her suck and stroke is hot (feels great too as that's how my gf has developed her skills). It baffles the mind when guys still have to jack off ever when getting attended to by her talents.
LubeNLuv
Senior Member

1854 Posts
3/06
Posted - Nov 2 2007 : 11:47PM
Yeah, Hand to Mouth 5 is the last of that series I'll buy....it had a nice point of differentiation for the first few installments, but now, it's just the same old male masturbation footage as all the rest of this garbage out there.
CLAUDIA DOWNS
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39 Posts
10/07
Posted - Nov 3 2007 : 12:34AM
I am so with you i wish i could either fuck or suck the guy till he pops!! perferably in my mouth cuz i love it..but i'd rather do the work instead of letting the guy do the work....but in defense for the industry it's also because a guy knows his body better then the girl so he knows when he's gonna cum and he knows how to aim..lol directors dont want to take the chance of the girl swallowing it or it hitting the wrong place..but like i said i like to do the work it turns me on!!
below_me
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654 Posts
9/07
Posted - Nov 3 2007 : 3:24AM
^ i got a little turned on reading that post
Breetai
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154 Posts
7/07
Posted - Nov 3 2007 : 3:33AM
Definitely one of my big complaints about modern porn... I'm sure it's always been an issue, but it's far worse today than it's ever been.
LubeNLuv is very articulate in his explanations. I, for one, do not cut the male performers the slack he does. The guys are hired to perform. Part of the performance is not just to cum when the director commands, but to cum the way the audience wants a cumshot to happen. People don't want to watch a guy fuck a girl in every hole for 25 minutes and then struggle for 2 minutes to squeeze a few weak spurts on her nose. People want to see hard fucking that leads to an unstoppable geyser. The performers are paid to make that happen. There needs to be less gaping, spitting, slapping, ass-to-mouth, etc, and more good-old-fashioned boy/girl doing-what-cums-naturally.
My personal preferences are:
The best cumshot is the hands-free, just because it's so rare, and so difficult to "fake it" -- he has to be truly aroused to pump out a big load without any stimulation. As long as he hits the girl's skin, it's a perfect cumshot to me.
The next best is the girl stroking or sucking him off -- I prefer her stroking him and aiming his load on her tits or stomach. Even better if his cock is big enough for her to crank it with both hands.
Acceptable if he fucks her until the very last second and then pulls out and pulls the trigger himself.
Unacceptable is if he actually has to stimulate himself in order to cum. There is no excuse whatsoever for that. Either the guy is a bad performer or the girl isn't hot, or both.
Osc
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3 Posts
11/07
Posted - Nov 3 2007 : 8:53AM
Being a hardcore jerker myself I don't have any problem with it, as long as the girl is into it. Bored looks don't help much and I see too many of those. However, the hottest thing to me is when there's girl stroking the cock and aims it at another girl's open mouth and/or face.
Those are all technicalities and as long as there's some enthusiasm and REAL excitement, they don't matter much to me.
BigBobxxx
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2681 Posts
5/04
Posted - Nov 3 2007 : 8:56AM
I'm not ready to toss the Hand to Mouth series overboard!
IMHO, it has been the most refreshing addition to the "BJ" format in years. So Pat, keep up the excellent work.
7_and_a_quarter
Member

163 Posts
10/07
Posted - Nov 3 2007 : 9:34AM
I think, as Claudia says, it's a lot about how familiar the guy is about his technique...and which direction the cum is likely to fly. LOL
I also think control has something to do with it. Standing in front of a beautiful girl, jerking off with one hand, maybe cradling her face or grabbing her hair with the other...until finally climaxing in her mouth or face...
...he feels (even if it's just for a few seconds) like he's in total control.
Wild Billy
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I'm a Girl Watcher!
759 Posts
6/06
Posted - Dec 22 2007 : 4:25AM
I love HTM 1-4. #5 was a major disappointment for the reasons stated. Hopefully they'll come to their senses and get back to the winning formula.
Dave_K99
Member

497 Posts
12/07
Posted - Dec 22 2007 : 7:19AM
I definitely don't enjoy seeing a guy wanking at the end, not even when there's a pretty girl's face in the frame as well. Along with the long shots of the guy's butt that show up in some movies, that's definitely one of my biggest male performer related turn-offs.
I get that the guy has to pull out before he feels he's going to cum so that the money shot isn't wasted, but I don't get why the girl doesn't end it with a handjob more often. Can porn studs really cum more easily through masturbation than from a handjob by their co-star?
Hookers don't seem to have any problem getting their clients to cum quickly with a HJ/BJ and they're strangers as well. I'd rather see her jerking him off for a few minutes than 30 seconds of him working it.
As for the cumshot aim issue, I guess that's down to the director to tell the female performer not to do any dodging when she's in control of the shaft. That's what they're getting paid for after all.
BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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12377 Posts
9/07
Posted - Dec 22 2007 : 7:35AM
Yeah but johns aren't doing it in front of a crew, perhaps even on drugs, and they aren't numbed out due to the blue pill.
RandomPrecision
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3/06
Posted - Dec 22 2007 : 9:21AM
I think it's pretty simple, really. The dude in the flick is the viewer's surrogate. Or at least, that's how I view it. I'm jacking off and he's jacking off.
That and a lot of people like to see the cum spurt out and land wherever it does. You can't see that if the dick is in the girl's mouth. And a girl jacking a guy off just looks awkward. I've jacked off a lot in my life and I've had people try to jack me off. I've never once been able to climax with somebody else jacking me off. Many guys have this problem.
Some guys do like handjobs and can get off. But I think that just like just about anything else that's very specific, it's a niche. If you want to see handjobs, there's porn dedicated to it. If you want to see creampies, there are creampie lines. Having the guy jack off to climax in standard porn is just the way it's always been done. And I think it's how many viewers like it. I never had a problem with it. I never even thought it should be done differently.
LubeNLuv
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1854 Posts
3/06
Posted - Dec 22 2007 : 10:28AM
To each their own RP. I've jacked off plenty as well, but have NEVER had an issue with a woman with skills who knew how to jack me off to climax, or use her lips or body to get the job done either. That's what throws me with porn...I thought these were supposed to be professional sex workers? They don't know how to get a guy off?
I still blame the "it's just a job, let me do it" syndrome in the industry for male talent. So few really are into the sex. They are just stunt cocks, nothing more.
backdoorman
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10/07
Posted - Dec 22 2007 : 11:33AM
I am so with you i wish i could either fuck or suck the guy till he pops!! perferably in my mouth cuz i love it..but i'd rather do the work instead of letting the guy do the work....but in defense for the industry it's also because a guy knows his body better then the girl so he knows when he's gonna cum and he knows how to aim..lol directors dont want to take the chance of the girl swallowing it or it hitting the wrong place..but like i said i like to do the work it turns me on!!
Damn Claudia you just gave me a raging woody. You also just gave another endorsement for a lot more swallowing videos. Plus you would get the added bonus of really enjoying the finish. Woof !!!!
BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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9/07
Posted - Dec 22 2007 : 9:22PM
Sorry RP, but this is plain wrong, most 70s porn, and a fair amount of 80s porn, does not end a scene this way, it is an 'innovation' of 90s era gonzo porn.
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