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KoolKryptonite
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Metropolis
27 Posts
6/05
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 4:04AM
I want to see more mature women doing gonzo...I want to see a mature line at RLD or PXP. They already have 35256 for teens so is it to much too ask for just 1 series? Im sure it would fly of the shelves...I dont get why nobody would like to see a exercised women at the age of 30-40. Bring it on.
Gunzo
Senior Member

1377 Posts
2/05
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 4:25AM
PXP got '10 little piggies'... and feet is a fetish I just don't get.. to me it could've been knees, elbows or whatever...
So they should definitely have a series with women instead of girls, I'd buy that (as long as those women takes it in the ass of course)
croy
Platinum Member

Discovry
4574 Posts
3/04
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 4:42AM
I don't think each company owns any of their own lines, but rather distributes. Each director may have lines that they sub out for others to do, but each is concerned about their own lines doing well.
Now this is significant, because if it were all one company, they would have many redundant lines right now. They would also have a few dozen titles (or more) that do well and could afford to experiment.

With each director owning their own material, they are also risking their own time and money. The time they put into filming material for the one title/line is time away from filming/editing another that may do better. How many movies can an individual director do in a year and (hopefully) do well? Six? Twelve? So a single new line would be a significant percentage of their time and money.
This is why there is so much redundancy at RLD/PXP. They believe young/big tits/gangbang/anal/swallowing sells.

PornWatcher
Member

55 Posts
2/05
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 8:25AM
Koolkryptonite: I agree with you.
I alos prefer more experienced women.
pwing
Member

413 Posts
4/05
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 8:55AM
It does seem strange that there aren't more MILF videos available especially when studies say that women reach their sexual peak at around 30. I wonder if that age applies to girls in porn whose sex drives are off the map anyway.
 
picman
Senior Member

Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass.
2884 Posts
1/03
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 9:35AM
I don't know the specifics of everybody's deals, but I do believe RLD has contract directors that shoot some of the company's lines. I don't think that David Luger, Jake Malone or Tim Von Swine own their own videos. One clue for me is the watermark being used by RLD. You don't see it on the independent product, except maybe for Vince Vouyer's, but I haven't seen any of his stuff lately, so I'm not sure of that either. I think if PXP/RLD thought there was a significant market to serve, there would be a new series. Maybe they will now. I'm sure that the Tiffany Mynx phenomena hasn't been lost on anybody, but how many woman are out there like her?
DenverDon
Benevolent

Firmly Embedded in Depravity
5914 Posts
7/02
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 9:50AM
Why should there be a MILF line at RLD/PXP?

Shop around and choose the ones that do produce it. I don't think everybody should produce everything.

DenverDon

Solid
Member

180 Posts
5/04
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 10:11AM
RLD/PXP could pound milfs in the style fans want to see,most milf dvds from other companies blow.
KoolKryptonite
Member

Metropolis
27 Posts
6/05
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 10:19AM
Thats my point.
juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 10:55AM
I want to see at least one experienced woman in every normal release.
Of course, TeenTryouts are about teens, but there's no reason that AGSOI, DTH and all the other Gonzo films only include teens.

I WANT MY DAILY MILF IN MY REGULAR GONZO!

Brandon Iron
BrandonIron.com

3832 Posts
3/02
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 11:42AM
What Croy said.....

Honestly, my single release every month is my bread and butter. If I am personally not into something, I won`t be good at shooting that genre. There will be no passion for the production. Most of the directors at RLD and PX have built reputations for their own style of performing or shooting. They like what they do. Why mess with success and throw a curve ball at the fans which may or may not be well received.

juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 12:04PM
Brandon,
A MILF every now and then can be a nice addition to your already excellent DVDs.
I'm not talking about a whole MILF-DVD.
Just one MILF in every release.
For example Kylie would be a great start.
Solid
Member

180 Posts
5/04
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 12:10PM
why wouldn't it be well received,milfs getting pounded RLD/PXP style is an untapped and possibly lucrative niche.
ObiBong
Senior Member

1162 Posts
12/02
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 12:15PM
Casting is probably an issue. Who exactly is going to be in these movies? Kylie, for example, just turned 34. Perhaps it's a matter of perspective, but that just doesn't say "older woman" to me, and it's definitely not MILF-y in my book. Merely adult.

Chelsea Zinn has some of that vibe going. Who else who's around qualifies?

juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 12:16PM
I don't think the different directors/producers like to be summarized under RLD/PXP style.

As John Holmes mentioned in another thread, they all do their very own and very personal thing.

Edited by - juha on 6/26/2005 12:16:27 PM

 
juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 12:18PM
I think in an teen-obsessed industry a woman turns MILF at 25.
Ordell
Deactivated User

1042 Posts
6/05
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 12:21PM
So how does that redheaded goofball at MILFHunter.com find all those women? It's not from being out and about like he claims.
Brandon Iron
BrandonIron.com

3832 Posts
3/02
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 12:32PM
Yeah, since when is Kylie a MILF! I am older than she is, for crying out loud! Does that give me some weirdly morphed Oedipus complex....I hope not.

My fantasy has always been about young, petite cheerleader types. I think about white cotton panties and frilly ankle socks covering soft-soled pink feet with painted nails and high arches that are ticklish. That`s the be all and end all for me. When I think MILF, I think about bunions and nicotine coughs in the morning while hacking up phlegm and wiping it on some soon-to-be-thrown-out, pee-soaked Depends.

Teens eat candy. MILFs eat meatloaf and leftovers....and eat off of TV trays while watching MASH reruns or Three`s Company marathons.

Teens giggle and talk on the phone with friends for hours. They play with cherry flavoured bubble gum that they twist around their fingers while thinking about going àll the way` with the quarterback.

MILFs shave their upper lips and talk on the phone with dermatologists about liver spot removal and liposuction techniques so that sweat-stained girdles won`t have to be relied on at their 40th high school reunion. They chew nicotine-flavoured gum that they wrap around their talon-like fingers with LONG fake nails that double as Fritos scoops for chip dip. They ask friends to go `all the way` to the pharmacy at the corner to get them a refill of hemmerhoid cream or Anusol.

Again, I may be biased. We are all heading towards being worm food....some faster than others. But until my day comes, I want to enjoy my candy-eating teens who ask me if it`s alright if they have a Snickers before dinner.....dinner being a dozen loads of cum for the next A GOOD SOURCE OF IRON.

threesomebody
Official BlowBang Judge

Would you like my autograph?
2491 Posts
12/04
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 1:10PM
Damn, Brandon. Here I had always considered myself a MILF.

Edited to say:
It seems Brandon was describing MINLF (with the N being Not, of course). Now I feel better again.

Edited by - threesomebody on 6/26/2005 1:47:49 PM

Ordell
Deactivated User

1042 Posts
6/05
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 1:36PM
Christ, Brandon's got almost as bad an attitude toward women as Riley...
RLD Fiend
Member

Cincinnati, O.
665 Posts
10/04
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 1:47PM
Sweeet! I was always waiting for John Holmes to get around to posting here. It's taken him long enough.
juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 2:01PM
Sorry, I didn't know that the term MILF is derogatory.

So, what's the best word to describe women like Kylie?

picman
Senior Member

Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass.
2884 Posts
1/03
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 2:14PM
It's not derogatory. It's just a question if it's applicable. The idea of a true MILF would be from a teenage boy's pov and encompass the age group of his friends' mothers. Think late 30's to early 40's and maybe beyond. Every kid has had a friend with a mother that was totally hot. That's the dream. Vicky Vette qualifies, Kylie Ireland is on the bubble.
Ryan Knox
Performer

170 Posts
5/05
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 2:29PM
The best MILF series is yet to come.
I want to do a line where hot older MILFS get roughed up by young mean guys. It'll be the roughest MILF series ever made. It should include MILF gangbangs and blowbangs. If Platinum X did it, I would call it Platinum Milfs!!!
Bill All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

5334 Posts
6/00
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 2:50PM
When you consider that MILF is really a term for kids in Jr High and High School, then Kylie is right at the low end of the age scale for being a MILF (a 34 y.o woman with a 15/16 y.o. kid).

The problem with adult video MILF's is that directors base them on their own age, so they end up shooting 50 y.o. women and calling them MILF's when in reality those women are at GILF age.

 
threesomebody
Official BlowBang Judge

Would you like my autograph?
2491 Posts
12/04
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 3:03PM
Whew. Then I am not a MILF afterall. Carry on, Brandon.

Yeah, what Brandon said!!

Ramsey
Senior Member

Trina Michaels fan
10332 Posts
10/02
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 3:18PM
I wonder who came up with this stupid MILF phrase.
kitarana
Member

304 Posts
12/03
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 3:23PM
There are definately lots of hot milf's around if somebody would just film them. For starters you can check milflessons.com, myfirstsexteacher.com, myfriendshotmom.com, milfriders.com, milfseeker.com, milfcruiser.com, mommylovescock.com...
kitarana
Member

304 Posts
12/03
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 3:26PM
If I know correctly, first time it was used in the mainstream movie American Pie.
Bill All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

5334 Posts
6/00
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 3:57PM
Until you kids friends are lusting after you...Nope. For now be content with being the neighborhood hottie that all of the local husbands want to bang (and who the neighborhood women talk about behind your back).
Bill All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

5334 Posts
6/00
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 3:58PM
That was the first place that I heard it and it was certainly what made the phrase famous.
ObiBong
Senior Member

1162 Posts
12/02
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 4:54PM
But it's been in use by teenagers for decades before that. At least since the '80s. Come to think of it, though, I'm from the Detroit suburbs, same as the American Pie writers, so that may be a factor.

Edited by - obibong on 6/27/2005 1:44:14 AM

Crucifixio_Jones
Senior Member

Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist
4727 Posts
10/03
Posted - Jun 26 2005 : 11:53PM
Brandon's outlook on MILF porn just put a severe dent in my enjoyment of it. Thanks alot, Mr. Iron!

I do agree with him, however, when he says that if a director doesn't have a personal interest in his subject matter, the product will suffer. As fans we may want our favorite directors to try certain things, but if they don't share our interests, more than likely, the end result will be subpar and you'll all be back her bitching about how Jules Jordan should never shoot another Transsexual Big-Tit Midget Foot Fetish movie.

von_swine
Member

Dominance & Persecution.
919 Posts
1/04
Posted - Jun 27 2005 : 12:25AM
guys(and gals), please keep in mind that on the .com side of the industry, the production values arent all that great, and for a MILF to step in front of the camera on a RLD/PXP/Vouyer shoot, she'd have to be in SUPER shape in order to not look ridiculous. now dont get me wrong, I think older gals are hot, but the formulas in place at the company I work for are already etched in stone and have been successful for a reason. hell, I personally like fat chicks but I dont think that Vince or Dave is gonna let me do any chubby chasing anytime soon,(much to MY chagrin). should the day come for a MILF line at RLD/PXP, I'm sure whoever got the call would knock it out of the park. lates, Von S.
morbidthoughts All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

Big cats scare me but...
3627 Posts
1/03
Posted - Jun 27 2005 : 1:02AM
Von Swine Productions' Fat Bottomed Girls Make the Rocking World Go Round
 
Cyberchicken
Member

900 Posts
4/02
Posted - Jun 27 2005 : 3:44AM
Why a company would leave money on the table is beyond me.

If EA, RLD, and Platinum X all produce tranny movies, because they want to increase profits, then why not add a mature line, as well.

Am I to assume that there is a bigger demand for trannies than there is for mature women?

Because, I'd have to call bullshit on that.


Edited by - Cyberchicken on 6/27/2005 3:47:53 AM

KoolKryptonite
Member

Metropolis
27 Posts
6/05
Posted - Jun 27 2005 : 3:57AM
Analgeddon 2 from PXP featured Lisa Lee. Fuckin Fantastic.

I dont get it why its such a niche...

Eff a cheerleader type of girl...bores me to death. Maybe when Im gettin old like Brandon Or Lugar I will adore em.

croy
Platinum Member

Discovry
4574 Posts
3/04
Posted - Jun 27 2005 : 4:29AM
Some directors did tranny movies, not all of them. I think it was David Luger, who somebody mentioned as not owning his own line, but directs some movies for the companies themselves.
As Brandon Iron says, he puts out 12 movies a year. He has to believe that a MILF title will do better than one of those twelve to consider it. If it tanks, he is out about 8% of his yearly income, along with prestige and bargaining power.

This is somewhat like that thread where a guy said he has a new buisness model for porn companies, a revolutionary one. The problem, beyond the fact that that he had no other information to share, was that a person would have to change their organization, fucking with something that seems to work.
There might be a market for a well produced MILF title, but there is a market for the stuff they already make.

threesombody, the song Stacy's Mom properly decribes the traditional MILF. So does the neighbor's mom in That '70s Show .

Now a title with tradition MILFs/adult adults might be an idea to try. The problem is that those who are not spring chickens tend to be in features. Still, you have Tiffany Mynx, Kylie Ireland, Ava Vincent, and Dasha.

Edited by - croy on 6/27/2005 4:42:05 AM

juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Jun 27 2005 : 5:43AM

Edited by - juha on 6/27/2005 7:50:47 AM

ObiBong
Senior Member

1162 Posts
12/02
Posted - Jun 27 2005 : 5:57AM
You also have to consider that a lot of women might not really want to embrace the MILF label. Shit, Ava Vincent is 30. Dasha is 28. According to IAFD, Nicole Sheridan is 24 for chrissake. Even if that's a bit off, I doubt she's much older.

In an industry where there might be vanity issues, you may find that performers don't find it 100 percent flattering to be considered "hot older women", even if you mean it to be.

Edited by - obibong on 6/27/2005 5:59:35 AM

Matt47
Member

417 Posts
1/04
Posted - Jun 27 2005 : 11:58AM
I have to agree that it'd be great to see a major label take on the this genre. I have been consoled with hit & miss titles from Filmco and Tasteless, but would certainly pay for a top-quality, anal-themed MILF DVD from Sineplex or Platinum X, something which really kicks it up a notch in terms of intensity.
Ethan
Five Star DVD

Five Star DVD Tempe, Arizona
47 Posts
9/03
Posted - Jun 27 2005 : 12:26PM
Devils film really has come on strong with such titles as motherfucker 1 and 2, old school 101 and 102, and milf POV.

The only titles that come close to the quality of RLD/PXP for me in terms of milf porn is devils film; I have yet to see milfcruiser, milflesson, or the TTV/filmco stuff take it to the level of image quality that is in the devils titles; not to mention that the women are top notch and its shot in a gonzo/POV style that rarely is done right by the 'internet to dvd' titles such as milflessons.

*******Just some notes from the pornlair; take care!


skronker
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9780 Posts
9/02
Posted - Jun 27 2005 : 1:02PM
Cool thread.
I'm 47, so a MILF to me -- selected by the prevailing standards -- would nearly be a "spring chicken." I think the phrase is dopey at best. Many porn girls who look barely legal have already had kids (I won't mention names here because they might not want that known, but I was surprised!). To me, I would think a MILF would be later 30s and older, and rounder, and a bit more "amateur" in look. And from what I've seen on Internet sites, I'm not very interested, thanks. Too skanky and low quality shooting.

If the term simply means a slightly older or 'around the block"-type chick, then I imagine Tiffany Mynx, Vicky Vette, or likewise fill the bill. Probably the true ultimate MILF in porn was Juliet Anderson, or "Aunt Peg," who got into the biz when she was about 40, and played the seductive "older" lady. She is still very hot.

Brandon's fantasy isn't really mine. I'm really more into the punk-chick/art babe/alterna-girl model -- I spend too much time hanging out in bars in WIlliamsburg and the East Village, right? -- that you don't even see in porn, hardly. But, ya know, since I am more likely to be with "MILFs" in real life, I can't say I'm that enthusiastic about seeing them in porno. I like real women, though. Like the Katrina Kravens. Does that make her a MILF-to-be?

Crucifixio_Jones
Senior Member

Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist
4727 Posts
10/03
Posted - Jun 27 2005 : 7:26PM
As soon as I get the chance to knock her up, I'll let ya know.
KatjaKassin
Senior Member

1257 Posts
5/03
Posted - Jun 27 2005 : 10:09PM
Shit... I eat leftovers off TV trays.
I knew it...
Loraine
Senior Member

1559 Posts
3/04
Posted - Jun 27 2005 : 10:28PM
Brandon Iron wrote
Never mind the Snickers, a MILFy type will eat you for dinner and pick her teeth with your bones...

As with just about anything in porn, stereotypes quickly become caricatures. What is it that a MILF could do on screen that a younger girl wouldn't or couldn't? And how would a director pick that and show it in such a way that the whole thing doesn't lapse into pantomime?

Don't want to blow your foot fantasy Brandon, cos I like feet too but I've been working on a project that involves around 28,000 images of women, mostly young and gorgeous but from what I see, a good pedicure is the last thing any of them do regularly.

I'd be happy to see a bit of variety in porn.

Light Up
Member

post coital cigarette
51 Posts
7/04
Posted - Jun 28 2005 : 12:26AM
Brandon Iron exhibits a pretty selective and narrow view of mature women and of teenage girls. There are some very sexually attractive women out there over 25.
Let not one of them go to waste.
Brandon Iron
BrandonIron.com

3832 Posts
3/02
Posted - Jun 28 2005 : 2:04AM
Light Up: You are absolutely correct and I think I need to put bold letters on my sarcastic posts in order that some readers may "Lighten Up." Seriously, this whole business is about fantasy and making the cock budge from its hibernation. I'm not a pedophile or anything, but I was mentally scarred for life after watching a Joey Silvera movie where a schoolgirl with a backpack skipped down an alley. I want to live THERE, man, not some place where reality slaps me in the face and some older woman cackles "Where's the beef?" at me while staring at my shrunken dick.

Loraine: Here, here! Variety is what it's all about. The more the merrier at the porn buffet...the more flavours, the better. I will keep smiling my Snickers-eating grin, if you know what I mean.

Katja: Name one guy who wouldn't eat leftovers...off of you! I'll take thirds.

croy
Platinum Member

Discovry
4574 Posts
3/04
Posted - Jun 28 2005 : 3:28AM
I like Brandon Iron's description of a MILF: Basically "trailer trash". Hung over with old mascara running down the face. Smelling of stale cigarettes and god knows what else. Drunk by 3:00. Nasty.
juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Jun 28 2005 : 7:54AM
Katja, lass dich von meinen Äußerungen nicht deprimieren.
I'm just a cynical pessimist who can't stand the teen fixation of the biz.
juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Jun 28 2005 : 7:56AM
Never met a MILF like this in my teens.
The mothers of my friends were all distinguished ladies.

Edited by - juha on 6/28/2005 7:56:25 AM

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