I believe that is in France, and they award best ofs there, for foreign films,

of course I could be wrong.

This is America, while many Euro girls are very beautiful and nasty, they almost always do films in Europe. This makes them rarely seen by Americans in decent hardcore.

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exactly!

There are too many Euro girls breaking into porno and many of them don't do a whole lot of features.

And many of them may do a couple of films under one name and change their name.

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qrop,
Sophie Evans- yes I have heard of and seen her, she has done some films for American Studios.

Amanda Angel- I may have seen. not sure.

Lea de Mae- I've heard of, never seen.

Daniella Rush- yes I have heard of and seen her, she too has done films for American studios.

Rita Faltoyano- heard of, never seen.

Michell Wild or Suzy Sweet- never saw or herad of.

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My main point was that while these lovely Euro girls are certainly popular internationally including among Americans,
it is the guys who decide these things that they must impress, if you get my drift. This is accomplished more effectively *in person* than on videotape, if you know what I mean. There is little incentive to bestow an award on a girl they have never met, can I be any clearer. Not really fair, but that's the porn biz.
Oh, and like Astro says too, volumne, volumne, volumne!

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Me and a couple other ADT members are probably the biggest euro fans. I have basically the whole collection of PRIVATE, Christoph Clark movies and Mr. Beaver Checks In is a great euro series. All the women you listed have done some great scenes. Suzy Sweet & Michelle Wild just kick ass!! I am partial to Rita Faltoyano who is just so beautiful :)

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With that said, I never meant that Private was bad, I like what I saw of them.

And I love EVIL ANGEL DVD I have 28, I have reviewed 25. The lowest overall score I gave to Evil Angel is a 2. Even the directors I don't like, John Leslie, I gave his DVD above a 3!

I would like to add one final note:
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That is probably a good reason as to why there were no or not a lot of Euro girls in the polls this year.

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I´m aware that some ADTers purchase the titles they review, but I refuse to PAY to make free advertising for any company.

Besides, I KNOW that our reviews can make or break a release, at least around here. With a single review to the stupid EXTREME BRAZIL VHS, we managed to destroy the Extreme kingdom in Brazil. NOBODY wants to see Robert Black painted gold after that, and the company that used to distribute Extreme here closed down its doors.

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By the way, Big Mike, you should know some of the girls in qrop's list seeing as you dig the excellent Evil Angel stuff. Make it a late resolution to get to know them better, I think you'll enjoy making their acquaintance, so to speak! And those are the Hot D'Or Awards, held in Cannes by Hot Video magazine as a cheeky parallel to the main film festival.

I think the fact that the Euro girls are not being recognized is symptomatic of the way mainstream entertainment business works too - it can take years for an actor or band or musician to become an "overnight" success in the USA, despite the fact that they are well known to aficionados in the UK and Europe, or indeed the more knowledgeable US audiences. It just takes longer for people to be recognized.

There are other things, like the fan reaction being less favourable in the States to foreigners (check some attitudes on RAME for this), the lack of studio contract girls in Europe - only a very very few - and so on.

In the end, none of this stops those of us who actually bother to search out info through sites like this. So in a nutshell - awards? Who needs em!!!!!

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I think you said what I was trying to say. No american porn star can ever take the place of Rita Faltoyano, Michelle Wild, Dora Venter, Suzy Sweet and many other hot hot euro babes. Thank got for Europe & the UK :)

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I don't believe he buys any of the movies he reviews, if he did, he would probably be broke. Because he has reviewed well over 1500 videos.

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I´m not forced to kiss the ass of any company just because they sent me stuff for free. If they want to send me screeners, that´s okay, but I´m free to write an honest review. If they got pissed because of some of my reviews (and that happened a lot of time - that´s one of the reasons I LOATHE some people who work at the brazilian branch of Evil Angel), then to hell with em.

I´m doing my job, my job is to write SERIOUS review, and I refuse to kiss ass just to get free DVDs on my mail. That´s just stupid.

I´m a professional, dammit. One of the reasons I never reviewed anything for ADT is that I NEVER work for free.

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I have no doubt that YOU would call them as you see them Planet, but unfortunately this is exactly what happens, and I have to agree in general with the differences between 'professional' reviewers and just consumers like us. This is why all screeners here must go through Steph, and too much interaction between a reviewer and and a studio is frowned upon. It's my understanding that this is the reason this site was started in the first place - too many good reviews on too many POS out there.

While no reviewer worth their salt is going to write up a good review just for free screeners, there's more to it than that, and a certain 'relationship' forms, making it problematic to give a completely honest critique. The 'good old boys' network is still alive and well in this industry, which is also related to the "Why no Euro-girls?" question.

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Roger's Polls: His polls reflect the women he and his fans are familiar with. The major stars of Europe are more likely to make his polls but they seem to be "flavor of the week" compared to our "flavor of the month or year".

Roger reviews zillions of titles. I don't think adding to his stash is going to get more reviewed. If Private, for example, provided proper credits, back ground, etc, (as well as screeners), maybe Roger would review more of their releases.

Planet: The goal of reviews shouldn't be to close someone down. Some reviewers get some free titles and buy the rest of the stuff they review. It hasn't made a difference in how high (or low) a rating a title has received from the more prolific reviewers that I've seen. If someone gives Astro a free dvd that sucks in a bad way, I feel confident that he's going to call it like it is. If he's choosing his words carefully, it's only because he wants to put the smack down on them as needed. We're not professionals and if you ask me, the reviews here are better than the professional sources.

Reviewing for ADT is not a job, it's a hobby. If you consider it free advertising, so be it. Do companies want free advertising that essentially says "this movie stinks, don't buy it..in fact, picket any store that carries it"? I've seen some hostile reviews here, by other reviewers of course, that amounted to a big time bashing.

Smartblonde: You are right about relationships just as you were right when the topic of getting more porn performers to participate here. I tried, and succeeded, at keeping industry types at arms length. I recall many funny comments including where one studio exec told me, "I always go to your Note to ______ section first and sweat out whatever you say". Another asked me what elements made for a better review-I told him exactly what I tell everyone else (ie: quality first).

I've alternatively been accused of being an industry shill or paid consultant and then an anti-porn crusader for some of the stuff I wrote here. The next few titles I review will not have great ratings-I bought them from Endo who thought they all stunk (he sold them to me cheap), afterwards, I will review a few titles that I rented or bought that I liked. I bought a lot of Private stuff this past summer and got majorly burnt out on it-and they're calling me to review them. Even Steve K. might agree with me on some of my opinions of them (although he'll likely hate others-I'm not a shill for Private either).

Bottom line: If Private were to promote more of their women in the USA, we'd see them all over the place and they'd get a larger market share. There're plenty of hotty's overseas and I've said so many times.

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and BTW, to the extent it is a minor tragedy that euro girls are left out, a lot of good euro guy performers don't make it in either - and many of the euro guys are better performers and more aesthetically appealing than many U.S. guys. I have a much easier time believing that Csoky Ice, Frank Roccaforte, or many others could bag some of the women in porn than a lot of American stars.

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I am not familiar with Rog's poll from last year, but I didn't find it completely ingnored the Euro girls this year. Some of the well known imported talent is certainly represented like Bella Donna, Jodie Moore(ok she is an Aussie), and Nikita Denise. That said there are some surprising omissions in my opinion. Mainly the before mentioned Rita Faltoyano, Michelle Wild and most surprisingly crossover success Sophie Evens. However I don't think it is a big deal at all. I'm sure there are some U.S. girls that didn't make the poll, that should have. As much as I would like to see Laura Angel's name in one of those polls, lets face it she is not going to win. The currently retired Silvia Saint has a better chance.(what is she doing in there anyway?)

The fact is these Euro girls need more press and exposure to win Rog's voters poll. (which for the most part is very impressive and a lot of fun as far as I'm concerned) However I don't think you can make the same excuse for things like the AVN awards. The AVN awards appear to me to be just a lot of industry backscratching for the most part. Most major award shows are, but AVN just seems so much more transparent to me.

qrop is right there is a whole lot of Euro talent in US produced porn that does not get the recognition it deserves. I suspect with companies like Private and Evil Angel on the rise this is going to change sooner or later.

Just my 2 cents

P.S. I bet both JJs win Rog's poll.

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