It seem that Vivid, Wicked or DP doesn't have an black girl as an contract star over the 10 years. Heather Hunter was the only black Vivid Girl and she was very poupler with both black and white fans alike. But when a black female perfomrer do movie for WCP, Black Ice, and other black companies with ghetto theme in it. Pluse this year AVN Award show that no black female performer aren't nomiess for anything? Sure Lex, Sean Michaels, Justin Slayer, and Mr Marcus have won alot of AVN Award for the past 10 year but there isn't any black female winning anything. BTW who was the last black female performer to win an AVN Awards? It just sad that black woman in porn can't get big like the white do and in 5 years they won't be in porn. You look at poupler black woman in hollywood like Halle Berry, Nia Long, Zoe Saldana, Jade Pinkett Smith, and Diahann Carroll. They played better role in movies and TV Show, why can't black woman in porn get better roles in Vivid, Wicked and DP. Lucky we have the Urban X Award to thank until the AVN Awards nomiess more black female performer.
They will argue that black women are not marketable to the upper echelon of porndom where they operate. I disagree, especially with someone like Amber Easton doing hardcore it seems silly that they wouldn't sign someone like her who is stunning by mainstream standards.
These companies not getting Jada Fire Carmen Hayes or Cherokee D Ass to do some scene is just dumb a part of the market that could help them grow bigger
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Posted - Jan 9 2010 : 11:14PM
Well I would like to see Vivid, Wicked, or DP get one black girl as a contract star so they can have a black fan base. But black guys are better in porn these days with there own company and directed movies then black woman. Well will we see an Black Jenna Jameson in the near future. Also you look at the NBA for exsample, there are less white america player in the NBA (Steve Dirk, and Peja don't count because they aren't american). there are more black players in the NBA and they are lved by white people. Pluse Larry Bird is poupler with black basketball fans, if Larry Bird was playing basketball in the hood with the black guys he would be welcome him. pluse there are alot of famous black people who are love by white people like Orpah, Obama, Michael Jackson (RIP), kobe Braynt, Michael Jordan, Samuel L Jackson (for those Star Wars nerd like me), Magic Johnson, Lebron James and Lexington Steele (mostly white woman fan). Pluse there are famous white who are also loved black people like Bill Clinton, Eminem, Kim Kardashian, John Cena, Larry Bird, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Justin Timberlake. Well unless Vivid and Wicked can get a black girl as one of there contract star then it won't look good for black woman in porn.
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keny Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 10 2010 : 4:34AM
I am 100 % with u , mac , yep u are totally right to say , that vivid or any other porn comapnies , whether its feature , gonzo , reality types sites , should have more ebony pornstars , 2009 has not been a great year for ebony babes , i have not seen much scenes with ebony . But we must give credit to sites like mofos and reality kings for niche sites like mofos worldwide and round and brown !!!!!! Obama says we can , but i hope that this year gonna be a better year , there should be at least 2 or 3 ebony babes evry weeks update , or dvds released !! i am talking about interracial ebony scenes !!
There are African-American employees at DP working not in front of the camera, but behind the scenes in production and marketing. If one of the aforementioned companies actually discovers the first true crossover "Halle Berry" tier porn star, it will likely be Digital Playground before all others. - Zen
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TeganLovesSara Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 10 2010 : 11:07AM
DP has done nothing in their past that makes that statement even remotely viable.
I have no idea who Amber easton is but at this point with sales the way they are and from what I see the fact that none of those companies seem able to build a strong line up of contract girls, you'd think they'd at the very least hire one just to see what happens. It seems VIVID, WICKED and DP all only have a couple or so contract girls that actually move product in any major way and the other contract girls only do so-so business for them and aren't really that well known or popular. It seems to me that they don't have much to lose with trying out a black pornstar. It seems to me that like in "mainstream" media if they went with a lighter skinned black woman with caucasion/euro features their white audience wouldn't have too much of a problem watching her and buying her stuff. I think there are women in porn who fit that bill. In fact, I'd say the black girls who fit that description who are already in porn usually don't do well in black themed porn because so much of it is geared toward "ghetto" girls and big asses. Those type of girls would probably thrive in "feature" porno.
I disagree heather wasn't very popular at all. There were a lot of chicks more popular than her in her time, both black and white. I think shes the reason you don't see any black contract women, she was their failed experiment. I am a black man and its clear black women are the least popular race to white men. Black porn women in general have gotten very unattractive. I'm glad that prettier black women do not choose porn, they keep it classy. You gotta understand when it comes to contracts its about appealing to white men. We black men become irrelevant. You wanna talk about athletes? Ok. You see how many black athletes chase white women, but on the other hand you don't see very many white athletes chasing black women. Point being from this aspect, porn resembles real life. so take your top black woman, jada fire? marie luv? roxy reynolds? cherokee? whoever she is.do a big poll, ask white men who they like more. tori black vs jada, marie, roxy, cherokee alexis texas vs the same women even take a new whore like brandy blair vs one of them. its numerous new white girls we could use as well. i guarantee, your favorite black woman is gonna lose everytime. A chick like tori black who came in the last couple years is already more popular than jada fire and marie luv combined. I use these 2 women because they get a bunch of white guy scenes, they have been around forever, and get to work for bigger companies. So you can't use any excuse with them of not getting to work with bigger names. Im saying white whores will always be much bigger than black whores, in a white world. So why take a chance with a black whore in a white whores world. This is just an example of why you wont be seeing any black contract women point blank, period.
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TeganLovesSara Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 10 2010 : 1:11PM
if we want to be honest with ourselves, we will admit that the more attractive, and even the average looking of black women, don't do porn...for religious, self esteem, and numerous other reasons. I know that i'll get flamed for this, but I think black women have more reservations about selling their body for money then white women. JMO.
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keny Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 10 2010 : 1:27PM
I hope in 2010 that sites like brazzers , N.A , bangbros , etc etc they emphasise more on ebony babes , there should be at least 2 updates every week , at least 2 ebony babes !! Reality kings is doing a great job , they have an interracial site , and mofos worldwide !! but the problem with reality kings , its all about the pool , booty being oiled , so for them ebony babes - its booty shaking , ass cheeks !! wtf with that perception of ebony babes !! so an ebony babe cant have an office scene , a maid scene , i dont know , but why its always have to be bikini , shake that ass , on round and brown .com
I wish they stop putting black girls in these ghetto roles because it too sterotype. Look at Heather Hunter, she was the real deal back in the 90's as Vivid only black contract star. she was poupler with both white and black fans. Maybe these black girl in porn should look her up. This is why I don't watch black on black porn anymore because of the sterotype how they version black people but I still have my old Heather Hunter movies. If Heather Hunter made a comeback in porn when Vivid would pick her up fast. I like how Lexington Steele company move alway from the sterotype theme in black porn.
Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass. 2884 Posts 1/03
Posted - Jan 10 2010 : 3:22PM
I don't know about being flamed, but I don't think you know what you're talking about. Basic, street level sex trade, black women are well represented, whether by prostitution or stripping. They have neither cornered the market on self esteem nor amorality.
You don't see black women going from a NBA dancer to porn, a Playboy model to porn and etc. Or even girls that could be models, pro dancers do porn. It just doesn't happen.. and that's why you don't see a contract star, that's black. Porn doesn't get enough of the really gorgeous black women..
Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass. 2884 Posts 1/03
Posted - Jan 10 2010 : 7:00PM
How many NBA dancers are in porn? How many black women are in Playboy? How can a black women fool herself into believing she's going to be able to make enough money over an extended enough period of time to justify a lifetime of exposure as a sex worker?
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The Mac Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 10 2010 : 7:29PM
Well black girl in porn will nerve match up againt Heather Hunter in her days. Heather Hunter was the girl next door and did all type of guys in her Vivid days. Pluse she slept with Magic Johnson before he got AIDS, she was the real Halle Berry of porn. As for me I have dated all type of woman (black and white) but it hard to find a good black woman who doesn't talk ghetto or have an Halle Berry look but most black woman look good in the 70's and 80's before the big booty. I had a cruse on Irene Cara and Janet Jackson back in the 80's and the 90's was Halle Berry. Well one day Vivid or Wicked will find the next Halle Berry of porn.
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The Mac Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 10 2010 : 7:47PM
Ida Ljungqvist become the first born African to be Playmate of the Year in 2009. It she did porn then Vivid or Wicked would get her get her right way.
^ That woman is gorgeous, but porn doesn't too often get black women that look like that. She'd probably get called out for looking like a "white girl" anyways (which I don't understand what that means). Your right tho picman. Black women aren't fooling themselves thinking that porn will be a career. I mean, it's the same business that has an IR label. I'd love to see the day there's another black contract girl, and she be successful. Edited by - xayhoundb on 1/10/2010 7:53:59 PM
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Posted - Jan 10 2010 : 8:23PM
I also think you have think about black culture. Black people may vote liberal, but culturely are republican. When taken account the population, more black people go to church then any other race; And think about the relative...I don't want to say homophobia, but just how homosexuality isn't really accepted in the black community. i think a black woman, would probaly have a tougher time dealing with her parents etc. if she did porn/posed nude etc. then say a white woman would. also, i think white man are maybe a little more liberal, in terms of sexual sharing. what i mean is, i don't think you would find to many black men who would be willing to let there wife or girlfriend do porn. When you take those things into account, and you think about black cultures deep root in spirituality...you can kinda see why you don't see a large influx of black woman in porn. it isn't that there isn't a market, its because the pool of black woman that want to do porn or be involved in sex business is probaly alot lower (when taken into account the population) then white woman.
Finally an IR that i agree with. It is disgraceful that these big companies have no black contract girls. I would love an answer but i doubt you will get a proper explanation. I think i will stick to the gonzo. I didn't know this and will be staying away from those companies from now on.
They will argue that black women are not marketable to the upper echelon of porndom where they operate. I disagree, especially with someone like Amber Easton doing hardcore it seems silly that they wouldn't sign someone like her who is stunning by mainstream standards. [/quote] What movies has Amber Easton done hardcore in?
Amber Easton has only done like 3 or 4 scenes in like 5yrs I think she should just stay a nude model her preformance in porn is weak she is not even close to Lexi Cruz or Jada Fire
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Posted - Jan 10 2010 : 10:46PM
Everyone just shut up on this topic already. To everyone whining about the lack of black women at Vivid, Wicked, DP, ZT and any other company I have this question. Have you every checked out the Black Ice or Evasive Angles Lines? If not, why not? Before anyone whines anymore, I'd like the answer to that question.
Black Ice, Evasive Angles, Vivid, Wicked, DP, Adam&Eve, ZT, WCP, etc. each has it's own style. It's not whining to want to see black girls in variety of productions.
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Posted - Jan 11 2010 : 1:52AM
If she was a bit lighter she'll look like a white woman. She has a body that is built like a white women. She doesn't have the black features of full lips and big hips and a darker complextion. That's why nonblacks will think she might be white. She looks way better then Jada Fire and Marie Luv, but doesn't get the work like they do.
I don't trust men who don't like big tits. 1067 Posts 12/04
Posted - Jan 11 2010 : 4:04AM
WAIT! THE FUCK? Amber has done XXX? All these years I thought she just did nude modeling, so I never thought to look up any porn under her name. I'm on it now though. Google here I come.
For the record, Vivid Video have has 3 other females of African decent. Tiffany Mason, a light skin very skiiny almost like Alexis Love, Charmine Sinclaire, another light skin female.But Charmine was from England. She work over here for awhile and move back. The 3rd female was from Canada, her name started with mal, I can't remember the rest of her name but she came after Tiffany Mason. One other thing Vivid change tiffany name to soemthing else that again I can't remember but while tiffany was working for vivid she went under a different name.
Without truly getting involved in this silly ass subject... Tiffany Mason changed her stage name to Taya in June 2002 when she was under contract with Vivid and the Canadian you're talking about was named Malezia. I'm really sick of all the IR crusaders running rampant on this board, ruining everything thread with cries of racism. If you want to complain about racism and are so concerned with equal rights for everyone, wouldn't it make sense to complain about it somewhere that it matters? Go do something in the world, in your own community. But whining over and over in cyberspace about the racial injustice in PORNOGRAPHY? All you armchair Al Sharptons ought to be ashamed. And any REAL activist would be ashamed of you. There is REAL racism out there in the world that needs to be addressed and brought to peoples attention and perhaps you all could use your energies to that end. Instead, you complain endlessly about the most base form of "entertainment" and how Alexis Texas or (and no disrespect to any woman in the business) some other girl who couldn't matter less to the world-at-large won't have sex with a black man on camera so that you can jerk off to it. Bottom line. When this is your problem, when this is your argument, I have a really hard time taking you or your cause seriously. Even if in your case the issue is supposedly race (but it could just as easily be squirting, feet, etc), you come off as just another spoiled fan, upset that his particular fetish isn't constantly being catered to but attempting to hide your own perversion behind some "just" cause. Go the fuck away already. [Link]
"Ghetto" porn isn't going away and quite frankly it shouldn't. It's obvious there's an audience for that type of movie because if there wasn't it would've gone away by now. The companies that do that type of movie has found something that works for them and if it's profitable for them and there's an audience that supports it more power to them. Too many people tend to think their personal tastes reflect all or a majority of the porn buying market when that isn't the case at all. From what I see there's plenty of non-"ghetto" IR and black on black stuff out there so if a person doesn't like the "ghetto" stuff there's no real reason to watch it or deal with it. Also, there are lots of black girls who mostly work in those types of movies and probably couldn't work anywhere else if the "ghetto" stuff didn't exist. A person's livelihood shouldn't be affected because a few people don't like what they do. Lastly, to each his/her own but from what I see all "ghetto" porn isn't always bad. The genre isn't really my cup of tea but some aren't so bad. Sometimes it's funny to watch and in some cases those movies star girls I like. The ghetto aspect only lasts for a a minute or so and then it's all about the sex anyway.
She beautiful and she'd fit the bill perfectly. She has the type of look a white audience would be okay with watching. It doesn't even matter if she's a good performer because with many contract girls it's mostly about the looks and sexual performance is secondary.
Actually there doesn't need to be any black contract girls. There doesn't even need to be any white contract girls either really. But since contract girls exist, why shouldn't there be a black contract girl? I'm sure those companies have a some black fans. I'm also sure there are some white members of that audience who've fantasied about black women. I'm sure some of that audience doesn't mind seeing a black girl in those movies (or any race) as long as they find that girl sexy and enjoy watching them. And...the people who watch movies from those companies like seeing the product from those companies and may not want to watch stuff from EVASIVE ANGELS or BLACK ICE because it's a bit too much for them. And as for me I watch stuff from the those studios and other "black" studios all the time. In fact, I never watch any WICKED stuff and hardly ever watch any DP or VIVID stuff except to see particular women (Jesse Jane and Tera Patrick). Saying these companies should give black women a shot has little to do with what I want to see and is much more about those companies filling a void that might exist in their company and being fair by trying a black contract girl. If a black girl has the right look and wants to be a contract girl she should be given a fair shot at it. Plain and simple. I might never watch her at those companies but that has nothing to do with what's best for porn or the girls or those companies. Many times in life doing the right thing comes before what I or anyone in particular wants to happen.
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keny Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 11 2010 : 9:00AM
forget about contract girl , its so fcuking rare to find ebony girl on reality sites like n.a , brazzers ,bangbros etc or in gonzo scenes , white on black scenes , now u want a black babe to be a contract girl , solve the main problem first , then we shall see about the contract girl !!!
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TeganLovesSara Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 11 2010 : 9:09AM
^^ True Dat On topic, if I remember correctly,Lacey Duvalle was contract girl for Video Team for awhile.
*sigh* Video Team, more or less, specialized in catering to the black market so all of their contact girls were minorities. They have had, over their years in existence, Lacey Duvalle, India, Alexis Amore, Ayana Angel and Daisy on their roster as exclusive performers. [Link]
I watch some Digital Playground stuff but rarely watch Vivid or Wicked. I got respect for them for their history as two of the first big companies but they are just too tame for my taste. Super hardcore, few limits black performers like Marie Luv, Jada Fire, Kapri Styles, etc. don't fit that image of the young, white, fresh-faced, not hardcore, big fake boobs, often blonde girl that Vivid and Wicked are based on. Most of the people that buy their movies prefer that too and that's the reason they have no black contract performers. On the flip side Vivid and Wicked would probably never put super hardcore, ultra curvaceous, white performers like Bobbi Starr, Adrianna Nicole, or Gianna under contract. They just don't fit the Vivid/Wicked image (thank God). I'd like to see some more recognition at the awards for the the black performers I mentioned. However, at the end of the day its all about making jaw-dropping porn and making a lot of money while doing it and that's just what the girls I listed are doing.
Well I guess they have their target audiance, mostly white guys and couples who like the vanilla porn they make. Not surprising at all on their lack of black porn actresses. Most any other studio would benefit by expanding their audiance by adding some great black talent, but Vivid and Wicked and DP have their fanbase pretty well set, with most porn fans either loving them or hating them. Their polarization I suspect keeps them from expanding much beyond what their core base wants. I love double penetration, but if those studios all of a sudden were to do a bunch more DPs I still wouldn't buy them. If they did shoot more black girls, most fans of black girls who already have their favorite studios probably wouldn't be swayed much to their side.
Why would any of you want to saddle top shelf black talent to the likes of the worst that porn has to offer: Vivid, VCA, etc. They would be forced to put out vanilla scenes, get a lobotomy and boobjob; in that order. And seriously Jada Fire? Has way too much mileage on her to be on a billboard for Vivid
I always wanted to started a porn company or web site where I only had ebony & latin girls now that would rule
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Posted - Jan 11 2010 : 12:59PM
IMO this is going to be the next big thing to happen to porn. I dont think its a situation where they just dont hire black women, but rather its that they havent found that iconic black figure yet. They will! Yes there are pretty black pornstars out there, but i dont think that porn has found its black Jenna Jameson yet. That is something to look forward too. Look at the quality of women that Digtial Playground has under contract. Im sure that soon they will find that first black woman in porn that will be a knockout beauty and DP will own the porn industry. We can only hope!
The fact is black women do not fit the mode of what studios like Vivid, Wicked and DP prefer. They also do not fit the mode of what most of the Vivid/Wicked/DP audience wants to see. The primary audience of those studios are older gentlemen who came up buying videotapes and than DVD's of there favorite movies. I would say there target audience is older white men. For the most part, they prefer young blonds with large tits. I, like most of the porn loving public in their 20's get most of our porn through local video stores (many who don't even carry stuff by Vivid) and from joining websites. We like big butt porn and porn that is more hardcore. So I have never liked Vivid/Wicked movies. They do not make movies for people like me. I could really care less if black women are contract girls for these studios. I don't like their movies. They are boring and too vanilla for my taste. The larger issue is the lack of respect and notoriety by the porn industry that black women receive. It is not the porn buying public that is not appreciating black woman. It is the industry, the magazines, the award shows. It has nothing to do with attractiveness. Roxy Reynolds, Lacey Duvalle and Alicia Tyler are just as attractive as Jesse Jane and Tera Patrick. So people need to stop with the black performers are not as attractive as white performers nonsense. It has nothing to do with performance because Jada Fire and Marie Luv are just as good as Bobbi Star and Sasha Gray. Most black performers are just as popular as many of the top white performers. Go on twitter and compare the number of followers Pinky or Roxy Reynolds have and compare it to Alexis Texas or Ava Rose. You will see them to be comparable. The problem is not the public. We buy whatever porn we want depending on our taste. We don't care about the studio as much as much as caring are they producing what we want to see.The problem is the industry. The industry is controlled primarily by those studios. They are trying to set the standard of what is good or exceptable in porn. I would liken' it to the late 90's,early 2000's when the Grammy's did not reward Hip Hop artist even though Hop Hop was the highest selling form of music. Those who controlled the music industry did reward them because most Hip Hop artist belonged to smaller independent record labels, not the big conglomerates that controlled the industry. The public sucked up Hip Hop and it was shown in record sales. The porn industry is the same way. We should be discussing the problems in the industry instead of worrying about whether a black woman will become a contract star for one of these studios. Especially in these times because I believe the days of the contract star may soon becoming to an end. In the end, Black Woman want to be acknowledged for their work just as much as white women. That would be the only reason why (along with the pay) they would want to be apart of those studios.
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