Why won't Vivid, Wicked and DP get black woman? (page 4)

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Roads To Moscow Dianic Wicked Pictures,Vouyer Media, Axel Braun Productions, Marc Dorcel, JoyBear Pictures, abbywinters.com 1390 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 1:32PM ^ My brain can only withstand so much IR/anal militancy before my head threatens to explode; hence my many multi-month boycotts of The Porn Poop. I can usually be found posting in Porn News or conversing with the two other people in Pop Culture who share my fondness for Italian genre movies. Roads To Moscow / Twitter: @roadstomoscow [Link]
Dr. Nasty Senior Member Asa Akira.....Damn! 3797 Posts 9/05	Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 1:40PM DM/PR wrote: And no, you're not my tag team partner. As of today, Dr. Nasty is. Just sayin' hi! Edited by - DM/PR on 1/20/2010 1:27:08 PM Click to expand Nope.....I'm a lone wolf. ***The Dr. of Nasty*** [Link]
hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 1:49PM Dr. Nasty wrote: DM/PR wrote: And no, you're not my tag team partner. As of today, Dr. Nasty is. Just sayin' hi! Edited by - DM/PR on 1/20/2010 1:27:08 PM Click to expand Nope.....I'm a lone wolf. ***The Dr. of Nasty*** Click to expand Too late, sounds like you have a partner for life. [Link]
Dr. Nasty Senior Member Asa Akira.....Damn! 3797 Posts 9/05	Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 1:54PM ***The Dr. of Nasty*** [Link]

Roads To Moscow Dianic Wicked Pictures,Vouyer Media, Axel Braun Productions, Marc Dorcel, JoyBear Pictures, abbywinters.com 1390 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 2:28PM Hollywood Woody wrote: Dr. Nasty wrote: DM/PR wrote: And no, you're not my tag team partner. As of today, Dr. Nasty is. Just sayin' hi! Edited by - DM/PR on 1/20/2010 1:27:08 PM Click to expand Nope.....I'm a lone wolf. ***The Dr. of Nasty*** Click to expand Too late, sounds like you have a partner for life. Click to expand If that's the case, I want a divorce. [Link]
grover All-Star Member Literotica.com - grover10 16888 Posts 11/04	Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 5:51PM All this talk about contract girls and the like begs me to ask the following question: What are the qualifications to be a contract girl? For Vivid? For Wicked? [Link]
Roads To Moscow Dianic Wicked Pictures,Vouyer Media, Axel Braun Productions, Marc Dorcel, JoyBear Pictures, abbywinters.com 1390 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 6:17PM ^ Keep in my mind that my observation, for what it's worth, applies ONLY to Wicked. There IS no list of qualifications written or unwritten, that must be met...hence my bemusement with this entire thread. When Mr. Orenstein encounters a lady he'd like to sign, he does so. Chasey Lain, Jenna Jameson, Serenity, Devinn Lane, Julia Ann, Stormy Daniels, jessica drake, Kaylani Lei, Kirsten Price, Alektra Blue and the rest of the wonderful ladies all came to the company this way. This process has allowed the Wicked Girls to have the longest winning streak for the AVN Best Actress trophy (eight consecutive years) in the enitre 27 year history of the award. I know this does not mean much in the world of gonzo, but for a feature-driven company it is a most praiseworthy accomplishment. I think Steve's instincts over the years have served the company and the girls very well. Just my Roads To Moscow / Twitter: @roadstomoscow [Link]
hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 6:35PM DM/PR wrote: ^ Keep in my mind that my observation, for what it's worth, applies ONLY to Wicked. There IS no list of qualifications written or unwritten, that must be met...hence my bemusement with this entire thread. When Mr. Orenstein encounters a lady he'd like to sign, he does so. Chasey Lain, Jenna Jameson, Serenity, Devinn Lane, Julia Ann, Stormy Daniels, jessica drake, Kaylani Lei, Kirsten Price, Alektra Blue and the rest of the wonderful ladies all came to the company this way. This process has allowed the Wicked Girls to have the longest winning streak for the AVN Best Actress trophy (eight consecutive years) in the enitre 27 year history of the award. I know this does not mean much in the world of gonzo, but for a feature-driven company it is a most praiseworthy accomplishment. I think Steve's instincts over the years have served the company and the girls very well. Just my Roads To Moscow / Twitter: @roadstomoscow Click to expand I think you are quite right. Again there are some givens, but it is a feeling the owners get. [Link]
grover All-Star Member Literotica.com - grover10 16888 Posts 11/04	Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 6:44PM ^ So, based on your responses, both Daniel and Woody, it seems that the selection solely rests on the owner of each organization. Do the potential contract girls go through an interview process? [Link]
Roads To Moscow Dianic Wicked Pictures,Vouyer Media, Axel Braun Productions, Marc Dorcel, JoyBear Pictures, abbywinters.com 1390 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 7:12PM ^ Again, every case is different, obviously these are privately held companies so the final decision rests with the owners, but certainly in our case he listens to the input from his other contract stars, directors, team members, and members of the press. And over the years I've been careful to give such credit where credit is due in press announcements. Of course there are meetings/interviews (and no, I've never sat in one and therefore can't spill the details one what might be discussed). Would you sign someone to a big-dollar, multi-year contract without meeting with them first? Roads To Moscow / Twitter: @roadstomoscow [Link]
grover All-Star Member Literotica.com - grover10 16888 Posts 11/04	Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 7:22PM DM/PR wrote: Of course there are meetings/interviews (and no, I've never sat in one and therefore can't spill the details one what might be discussed). Would you sign someone to a big-dollar, multi-year contract without meeting with them first? Click to expand I definitely would not, regardless of the industry. Does the contract allow creative feedback from the girls? Or is it "do as I (owner) say" deals? I have to believe that it has to be the former. I cannot see it being the latter. [Link]
Roads To Moscow Dianic Wicked Pictures,Vouyer Media, Axel Braun Productions, Marc Dorcel, JoyBear Pictures, abbywinters.com 1390 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 7:36PM ^ Okay, I'll be more blunt. I've never seen a girl's contract. I'm a publicist, not an owner or contract performer. Nothing wrong with asking, but you are seeking answers to things that are simply above my pay scale. On the subject of "creative feedback," will say simply that I've never met a fairer man in the industry. Look at how many Wicked Girls have become writers, directors, and producers. Stormy Daniels, jessica drake, Devinn Lane and more have all officially worked in all these capacities, and many of the other girls have created the concepts for their projects down through the years. Stormy began writing scripts - and getting them produced - just five months into her first contract as a performer. Steve listens, and trusts, and that is part of his brilliance. Roads To Moscow / Twitter: @roadstomoscow [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 7:50PM ^ This is a huge reason why I like Wicked so much. I have complaints, just like any product, but on the whole, Wicked impresses me. Sometimes it feels like the women are really running the show - or, rather, that there is a sense of respect, and that the women are respected equally to the men. Maybe that's me being naive, but that's the impression I get from the films, as well as from the ladies themselves when I have spoken to them. Would I like Wicked to have an African American contract performer? Sure! I'd also be super excited if they signed April Flores, or any other under-represented identity group. But a) that's pretty much a never-ending and ultimately futile train of thought, b) perhaps those performers are not suited to those companies and/or aren't interested, and c) other than different races, I'm willing to bet the other marginalized groups that could be signed would be met with a big "Gross!" by a lot of the "social justice protesters" here. [Link]
grover All-Star Member Literotica.com - grover10 16888 Posts 11/04	Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 7:51PM ^ Obviously, being a contract performer does have its perks! [Link]

Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 8:01PM Vivid's long process was "reality-television-ized" on the Showtime series Porno Valley from some years back. I remember Dani Woodward being a main contender but ultimately passed on due to a positive urine drug screen and lying about being clean. I have no idea how closely it mirrored the actual process and how much was purely for television, but it's still interesting nonetheless - if you can get your hands on it. [Link]
grover All-Star Member Literotica.com - grover10 16888 Posts 11/04	Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 8:04PM ^ I remember that episode. [Link]
hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jan 21 2010 : 1:18PM grover wrote: ^ So, based on your responses, both Daniel and Woody, it seems that the selection solely rests on the owner of each organization. Do the potential contract girls go through an interview process? Click to expand Yes they do. [Link]
Bren40 Deactivated User 26 Posts 12/09	Posted - Jan 21 2010 : 8:41PM To hollywood woody After reading your responses, it is very apparent that you or your firm have absolutely no interest in making a new or fairly known Black female with potential into a contract star no matter how beautiful she is. The only time you will consider making a Black woman a contract star would be the impossible scenario where the Black woman is already superstar from another career like a Halle Berry or a Beyonce and wanted to enter porn. This is very so unlike your policy for white female newbies or fairly known starlets where you'd drag her out of nowhere from the gutter and give her a contract if you thought there were potential. Edited by - bren40 on 1/21/2010 10:00:42 PM [Link]
grover All-Star Member Literotica.com - grover10 16888 Posts 11/04	Posted - Jan 21 2010 : 9:06PM Since other studios also have contract stars, I wonder if their selection process is the same. And what qualifies a girl to be a contract star. I would think selling power and star potential for the studio would be a great feature point regardless of ethnicity and/or number of films under her belt. Curious! [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jan 21 2010 : 9:09PM ^ I believe your question has already been answered earlier in the thread. [Link]
grover All-Star Member Literotica.com - grover10 16888 Posts 11/04	Posted - Jan 21 2010 : 9:19PM ^ Does it have to do something about a target audience? [Link]
hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 1:37PM Bren40 wrote: To hollywood woody After reading your responses, it is very apparent that you or your firm have absolutely no interest in making a new or fairly known Black female with potential into a contract star no matter how beautiful she is. The only time you will consider making a Black woman a contract star would be the impossible scenario where the Black woman is already superstar from another career like a Halle Berry or a Beyonce and wanted to enter porn. This is very so unlike your policy for white female newbies or fairly known starlets where you'd drag her out of nowhere from the gutter and give her a contract if you thought there were potential. Edited by - bren40 on 1/21/2010 10:00:42 PM Click to expand I suggest you reread the posts. Vivid is the only large company that has had 3 Black contract stars. I thought misty was quite beautiful, unfortunately she shot 91 movies. We are not really interested in anyone who has shot for every company out there, be her black or white or any color in between. The reason is that there is nothing exclusive about someone who has 20 or more movies already out. I have repeated over and over again that if there was somebody out there worth signing, we would. Also, what I think you fail to realize is that we don't sign color, we sign the girl, be it yellow, white, black, or purple. Sunny Leone is from India, she is signed. Taya was black, she was signed. Heather Hunter was signed. Kobe Tai was Asian, she was signed. Vivid has had the most diversified contract stars of any company over the years. I can also tell you we have never dragged anyone out of any gutter and made them a star. Most of the girls interested in contracts contact us, it is very seldom we go out recruiting talent, like never. Let me tell you how many Black female talent has contacted us in the last 5 years, none. If you know someone who qualifies tell them to contact us. Thanks for your comments, although I really feel, no disrespect intended, they are completely wrong. BTW, I said if Halle Berry wanted to do porn we or any other company would shoot it in a second, that will never happen. I also stated if there was a girl who looked remotely like Halle Berry we would sign her in a second. Edited by - hollywood woody on 1/22/2010 1:40:02 PM [Link]
Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 8:01PM Somebody within VIVID should gag you. You shouldn't be speaking on behalf of ANY company, especially not VIVID, salesperson or not. At this point, I'd rather hear from Hirsch's secretary or someone in the mailroom. They might actually have more insight. I agree with Bren40 in a sense. You may say VIVID doesn't sign a color, you sign a person but the truth is, I don't think there's any way in hell VIVID signs a black girl these days. You can point to your illustrious past all you like but that's exactly what it is - the past. What about TODAY, Woody? Because that's the issue here, not Asia Carrera, not Kobe Tai, not Taya or Heather Hunter and ESPECIALLY not some Indian with Caucasian features like Sunny Leone...we're discussing TODAY. So what you've had 3 Black contract stars fifteen years ago in the course of the ENTIRE EXISTENCE/HISTORY of the company? If you can actually COUNT them, as they say, you've probably had too few. I mean, in comparison, can you tell me how many WHITE contract stars Vivid has had equally as fast off the top of your head? Yeah, thought not. And since when has being in a bunch of movies disqualified someone from being signed to a contract? When did VIVID change their stance on this? Because as I recall, that USED to be EXACTLY the girls they'd go after. And imagine if DIGITAL PLAYGROUND or WICKED subscribed to this same asinine methodology (ironically enough, the companies you claim "copied" YOUR business model). How many legitimate stars would we have missed out on in the ensuing years? Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, Devon, Julia Ann...just to name a few. Katsumi had literally done HUNDREDS of movies by the time she signed with DP. "I can also tell you we have never dragged anyone out of any gutter and made them a star." No fuckin' shit. That's exactly what we're saying. VIVID's star-making powers are virtually nil. You've already proved yourself pretty dim and incapable of catching figures of speech so let me spell it out for you: the poster didn't mean LITERALLY "dragged out of the gutter." He meant someone who was basically unknown in the world of adult. So it's funny to read that you agree that VIVID has never made an unknown talent a star. So what makes you think Lia, for example, will be any different? I'll give you a clue: she WON'T. "Let me tell you how many Black female talent has contacted us in the last 5 years, none." Has it ever crossed your mind that they, like all of us in this very thread, already know it would be a huge waste of their time? If I was a black female with aspirations of joining VIVID's roster, a quick perusal of the girls you currently have under contract and looking at the boxcovers of your releases would tell me all I need to know: my KIND isn't wanted. Is that 100% true? Perhaps not. But that's the message I'd get. People know where they're wanted and where they're not and I think black girls get the message that VIVID will never be a place they can call home. Contact you? They may as well contact NASA. "If you know someone who qualifies tell them to contact us." A bold statement indeed but one that will never be answered because no one knows what VIVID's "qualifications" are. And whatever they are, they'll only shift and change as they see fit to exclude whomever doesn't fit their idea of a "contract star" which, at this time, seems to be VERY narrow. "BTW, I said if Halle Berry wanted to do porn we or any other company would shoot it in a second, that will never happen. I also stated if there was a girl who looked remotely like Halle Berry we would sign her in a second." Can you please stop saying this? You don't need any more help in sounding close-minded and ignorant. Is this statement supposed to support or solidify the fact that VIVID is open to signing a black girl? Because it DOESN'T. Geez. Halle Berry this, Halle Berry that...we get it. When did she (who, like Sunny Leone, doesn't exactly typify the predominate and stereotypical features of their respective races) become the measuring stick of black beauty anyway? If that's all you guys are waiting for, you may NEVER get it. So in the meantime, you're just going to pass over perfectly gorgeous and capable and black talent (which you do) because they don't look like Halle Berry? And you wonder why we believe you won't be signing a black girl any time soon... Your standards are...baffling. To say the least. But we don't even truly know if those are VIVID's standards because the freakin' sales guy is the only one in here talking and the more he talks, the less I want to listen. My question is, why does someone have to look like her, some other celeb or ANYONE to get "signed in a second?" Can they just be a beautiful girl who looks like themselves and no one who came before them? I'm pretty damn sure that's not how the rest of your roster got assembled and that it's not a prerequisite for someone white to be considered. Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 1/22/2010 8:12:43 PM [Link]
hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 8:16PM Crucifixio_Jones wrote: Somebody within VIVID should gag you. You shouldn't be speaking on behalf of ANY company, especially not VIVID, salesperson or not. At this point, I'd rather hear from Hirsch's secretary or someone in the mailroom. They might actually have more insight. I agree with Bren40 in a sense. You may say VIVID doesn't sign a color, you sign a person but the truth is, I don't think there's any way in hell VIVID signs a black girl these days. You can point to your illustrious past all you like but that's exactly what it is - the past. What about TODAY, Woody? Because that's the issue here, not Asia Carrera, not Kobe Tai, not Taya or Heather Hunter and ESPECIALLY not some Indian with Caucasian features like Sunny Leone...we're discussing TODAY. So what you've had 3 Black contract stars fifteen years ago in the course of the ENTIRE EXISTENCE/HISTORY of the company? If you can actually COUNT them, as they say, you've probably had too few. I mean, in comparison, can you tell me how many WHITE contract stars Vivid has had equally as fast off the top of your head? Yeah, thought not. And since when has being in a bunch of movies disqualified someone from being signed to a contract? When did VIVID change their stance on this? Because as I recall, that USED to be EXACTLY the girls they'd go after. And imagine if DIGITAL PLAYGROUND or WICKED subscribed to this same asinine methodology (ironically enough, the companies you claim "copied" YOUR business model). How many legitimate stars would we have missed out on in the ensuing years? Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, Devon, Julia Ann...just to name a few. Katsumi had literally done HUNDREDS of movies by the time she signed with DP. "I can also tell you we have never dragged anyone out of any gutter and made them a star." No fuckin' shit. That's exactly what we're saying. VIVID's star-making powers are virtually nil. You've already proved yourself pretty dim and incapable of catching figures of speech so let me spell it out for you: the poster didn't mean LITERALLY "dragged out of the gutter." He meant someone who was basically unknown in the world of adult. So it's funny to read that you agree that VIVID has never made an unknown talent a star. So what makes you think Lia, for example, will be any different? I'll give you a clue: she WON'T. "Let me tell you how many Black female talent has contacted us in the last 5 years, none." Has it ever crossed your mind that they, like all of us in this very thread, already know it would be a huge waste of their time? If I was a black female with aspirations of joining VIVID's roster, a quick perusal of the girls you currently have under contract and looking at the boxcovers of your releases would tell me all I need to know: my KIND isn't wanted. Is that 100% true? Perhaps not. But that's the message I'd get. People know where they're wanted and where they're not and I think black girls get the message that VIVID will never be a place they can call home. Contact you? They may as well contact NASA. "If you know someone who qualifies tell them to contact us." A bold statement indeed but one that will never be answered because no one knows what VIVID's "qualifications" are. And whatever they are, they'll only shift and change as they see fit to exclude whomever doesn't fit their idea of a "contract star" which, at this time, seems to be VERY narrow. "BTW, I said if Halle Berry wanted to do porn we or any other company would shoot it in a second, that will never happen. I also stated if there was a girl who looked remotely like Halle Berry we would sign her in a second." Can you please stop saying this? You don't need any more help in sounding close-minded and ignorant. Is this statement supposed to support or solidify the fact that VIVID is open to signing a black girl? Because it DOESN'T. Geez. Halle Berry this, Halle Berry that...we get it. My question is, why does someone have to look like her or ANY celebrity to get "signed in a second?" I'm pretty damn sure that's not how the rest of your roster got assembled. Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 1/22/2010 8:05:08 PM Click to expand Until you can talk to me without attacking me, and treat me like a human being, I will not respond to any of your militant posts. So save your rants for someone else Sparky. I could care less of how you feel or your opinion about anything. You are just trying to get into an arguement and I will not lower myself to your petty idiocy. [Link]

picman Senior Member Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass. 2884 Posts 1/03	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 8:19PM hollywood woody wrote: I saw that girl misty on here, she is certainly someone who would qualify. Except for the fact that she shot 91 movies. Click to expand Not really a lot in the period of time she's been active. In favor of anyone considering Misty for a contract is that she hasn't been on a load of boxcovers like Marie Luv was. She'd still have that air of exclusivity for anybody who wanted to take her in that direction. Btw, she's got a captivating personality that goes well with the job. I'd prefer that Misty get more work in the channels that I watch, but she's definitely the kind of girl that goes over well in couples fare. Check her out in the Cosby's parody. [Link]
Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 8:25PM Well, that's certainly one way to get out of addressing a valid argument or engaging in an actual discussion. And just because I repsonded directly to YOUR claims, that doesn't mean I was expecting a response from YOU. Truth be told, I wasn't. I mean, what could you possibly say? You don't have to say a word. There are more people participating in this thread than you and I'm pretty sure they can all see the truth when they read it. "You're being mean! So I'm not going to talk!" Waaaaah. Big deal. Don't! Don't threaten me with a good time, chief! With the name "Woody" and working for VIVID, I assumed you were an adult man. I guess I wrong. Well, you know what they say about "assumptions"... The truth is, I'm probably the one person in this thread who really doesn't give a damn what VIVID does; whether they sign 12 black girls, 3 transsexuals or a Ford Expedition full of circus midgets. I'm not here to argue for civil rights in porn, as anyone who has frequented this board for any amount of time can tell you. And I certainly don't go from thread to thread, flaming people and looking to pick fights like you imply. But what I CAN'T stand is reading post after post of spin and outright LIES about what a company would do if the right girl came along, knowing full well they have ZERO intention of making good on those words. I apologize that you believe calling you and your employers on your bullshit is an "attack" and you're obviously not equipped to handle it and/or respond or refute any points I've brought forth (which is exactly why you shouldn't be speaking on their behalf in the first place). So go ahead, take your ball and go home, coward. By the way, that last sentence? THAT was an attack. Peace, Woodrow. I think you've embarrassed yourself enough for one day. Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 1/22/2010 8:33:22 PM [Link]
hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 8:46PM picman wrote: hollywood woody wrote: I saw that girl misty on here, she is certainly someone who would qualify. Except for the fact that she shot 91 movies. Click to expand Not really a lot in the period of time she's been active. In favor of anyone considering Misty for a contract is that she hasn't been on a load of boxcovers like Marie Luv was. She'd still have that air of exclusivity for anybody who wanted to take her in that direction. Btw, she's got a captivating personality that goes well with the job. I'd prefer that Misty get more work in the channels that I watch, but she's definitely the kind of girl that goes over well in couples fare. Check her out in the Cosby's parody. Click to expand Do you think she could still have some exclusivity? Maybe by working with some people she has never worked with she could. She is very hot. Has she done anal yet? Sorry have to ask. [Link]
pegpelvispete Member 286 Posts 6/09	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 8:49PM YOU'RE a towel. [Link]
hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 8:50PM I will have someone in the mailroom get back to you. [Link]
cumfiesta2107 Deactivated User 294 Posts 6/06	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 9:20PM Good question. Most porn fans prefer white girls so you'll always see more white girls in porn. [Link]
Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 9:30PM cumfiesta2107 wrote: Most porn fans prefer white girls so you'll always see more white girls in porn. Click to expand I'm going to do you a favor and not even ask the logical question of "Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?" because I KNOW YOU DON'T. Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 1/22/2010 9:30:50 PM [Link]
cumfiesta2107 Deactivated User 294 Posts 6/06	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 9:32PM Crucifixio_Jones wrote: cumfiesta2107 wrote: Most porn fans prefer white girls so you'll always see more white girls in porn. Click to expand I'm going to do you a favor and not even ask the logical question of "Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?" because I KNOW YOU DON'T. Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 1/22/2010 9:30:50 PM Click to expand Yeah...porn has mostly white girls because of racism, right? [Link]
Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 9:43PM I wasn't implying that. The easy answer, obviously, would be that porn has mostly white participants because this COUNTRY is mostly white. Porn is a microcosm of our society. Therefore most occupations (unless you're an athlete, entertainer or drug dealer which, technically, isn't an actual occupation, per se) will be filled by Caucasians. But just because whites are the majority in America doesn't mean you can just make wild and unfounded assumptions about their personal tastes. Duh. I swear to God, CJ can't win. I defend girls who don't do IR and I get called an Uncle Tom, a coon and worse by the black posters here (and other places I don't even post!). I point out some race-related truths about another company and I'm accused of pulling the race card by white posters. What's a nigga to do? I'm simply saying there's no way on Earth that you can know that allegedly "most porn fans prefer white girls." 1. Do you personally know most porn fans? 2. If you don't, how can you claim to know what their preferences are? 3. You don't even know the ethnicity of the majority of porn fans. 4. Even if you did, that has no bearing on what they like. Isn't it completely possible that black porn fans like black girls and that there is a sizable segment of white porn fans who prefer black girls, too? If all of the above is true, you can't make a blanket statement like "most porn fans prefer white girls" without providing some sort of proof which you can't POSSIBLY have. It was just a dumb ass thing to say, period, with absolutely nothing to back it up other than what YOU happen to think and your narrow view of the world and "most porn fans." Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 1/22/2010 9:50:18 PM [Link]
grover All-Star Member Literotica.com - grover10 16888 Posts 11/04	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 9:47PM hollywood woody wrote: picman wrote: hollywood woody wrote: I saw that girl misty on here, she is certainly someone who would qualify. Except for the fact that she shot 91 movies. Click to expand Not really a lot in the period of time she's been active. In favor of anyone considering Misty for a contract is that she hasn't been on a load of boxcovers like Marie Luv was. She'd still have that air of exclusivity for anybody who wanted to take her in that direction. Btw, she's got a captivating personality that goes well with the job. I'd prefer that Misty get more work in the channels that I watch, but she's definitely the kind of girl that goes over well in couples fare. Check her out in the Cosby's parody. Click to expand Do you think she could still have some exclusivity? Maybe by working with some people she has never worked with she could. She is very hot. Has she done anal yet? Sorry have to ask. Click to expand According to IAFD, no anal for Misty. [Link]

cumfiesta2107 Deactivated User 294 Posts 6/06	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 9:49PM Ok, if you want to be such a precise person, then no, I don't have proof for that. I can say that it's quite possible though given that movies with white girls are selling more than movies with black girls or any other race. Don't you think people in the porn industry would notice by now based on sales figures if white girls are the most preferred or not? If they really aren't, porn companies would be hiring more girls from other races. *Refrain from homophobic phrases please. Edited by - redish on 1/24/2010 2:45:25 AM [Link]
Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 9:51PM Damn, did you really have to call me a a homophobic name, though? But to address what you did manage to say without hurling homophobic epithets... I don't think we'll EVER know if minorities sell more movies than their white counterparts because of the huge disparity in the amount of product being released. If 100 movies featuring white performers are released for every 10 starring black performers, of course, by sheer numbers, they will always outsell the movies with minorities in them. That doesn't necessarily mean that they are preferred. It means that, like I said before, the majority of the producers of porn in this country are white and that's the product they choose to make at this time. We'll never know what porn fans truly prefer until there's a level playing field. I get what you're saying, sort of, but it's just not a FACT. Now how's that for some precision faggotry? Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 1/22/2010 10:00:58 PM Edited by - redish on 1/24/2010 2:46:23 AM [Link]
TeganLovesSara Deactivated User Are you smoking yet? 252 Posts 12/09	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 9:52PM cumfiesta2107 wrote: Good question. Most porn fans prefer white girls so you'll always see more white girls in porn. Click to expand not true believe it or not, one of the largest internet porn companies, videobox, claims their #1 request (by a longshot), is for transexual porn. Black or White. Think I'm shiting you. Go read their blog. it's free to non-members. Edited by - teganlovessara on 1/22/2010 9:52:48 PM [Link]
cumfiesta2107 Deactivated User 294 Posts 6/06	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 9:52PM Just wondering, judging by your name and the cross in your sig, are you a Christian? If so, why the fuck are you on a porn forum? [Link]
cumfiesta2107 Deactivated User 294 Posts 6/06	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 9:55PM TeganLovesSara wrote: cumfiesta2107 wrote: Good question. Most porn fans prefer white girls so you'll always see more white girls in porn. Click to expand not true believe it or not, one of the largest internet porn companies, videobox, claims their #1 request (by a longshot), is for transexual porn. Black or White. Think I'm shiting you. Go read their blog. it's free to non-members. Edited by - teganlovessara on 1/22/2010 9:52:48 PM Click to expand Um..the topic is about race preference not gender preference. However, even if that is true, it's just one company. [Link]
Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 10:03PM cumfiesta2107 wrote: Just wondering, judging by your name and the cross in your sig, are you a Christian? If so, why the fuck are you on a porn forum? Click to expand Judging by your name, do you enjoy taking multiple facials? If so, why the fuck aren't you somewhere getting hosed down? [Link]
TeganLovesSara Deactivated User Are you smoking yet? 252 Posts 12/09	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 10:20PM cumfiesta2107 wrote: TeganLovesSara wrote: cumfiesta2107 wrote: Good question. Most porn fans prefer white girls so you'll always see more white girls in porn. Click to expand not true believe it or not, one of the largest internet porn companies, videobox, claims their #1 request (by a longshot), is for transexual porn. Black or White. Think I'm shiting you. Go read their blog. it's free to non-members. Edited by - teganlovessara on 1/22/2010 9:52:48 PM Click to expand Um..the topic is about race preference not gender preference. However, even if that is true, it's just one company. Click to expand I was only replying to the part i bolded. meh..that's why i bolded it, before i replied. carry on. [Link]
cumfiesta2107 Deactivated User 294 Posts 6/06	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 10:23PM Crucifixio_Jones wrote: cumfiesta2107 wrote: Just wondering, judging by your name and the cross in your sig, are you a Christian? If so, why the fuck are you on a porn forum? Click to expand Judging by your name, do you enjoy taking multiple facials? If so, why the fuck aren't you somewhere getting hosed down? Click to expand That's my name because I used to work for cumfiesta. It's interesting that you brought up homophobia when your religion pretty much preaches homophobic concepts all the time. [Link]
Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 10:30PM shaking my head vigorously My point was obviously lost on you. What I was saying by pointing out your name is that A NAME IS JUST A NAME. It doesn't imply anything about your character and least of all your religious beliefs. So any assumptions you may have about "my" religion (for the record, not that it's anyone's business, I can't say I really have one), are once again, just that -- assumptions. WRONG ones, to be "precise" in this case. So you can go ahead and let that burgeoning grudge go, sport. I do, however, find it immeasurably entertaining that, one, you'd attempt to even bring religion into this conversation (if that's not off-topic and TRULY grasping at straws!!!), then criticize the said assumed religion of a complete stranger for doing something that they didn't even do but YOU did. Three words for you: Pot. Kettle. Black. Only at ADT, folks. [Link]
cumfiesta2107 Deactivated User 294 Posts 6/06	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 10:37PM Just curious, but why do you have a cross in your sig? Also, you seemed to imply that Christianity is not homophobic. Are you serious about this? [Link]
picman Senior Member Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass. 2884 Posts 1/03	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 10:58PM hollywood woody wrote: Do you think she could still have some exclusivity? Maybe by working with some people she has never worked with she could. She is very hot. Has she done anal yet? Sorry have to ask. Click to expand No anal ... yet. I'd venture to guess she would have more exclusivity than Lanny Barbie did at the time of her signing, who was pretty well known in the gonzo world and quite popular. [Link]
Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 11:25PM cumfiesta2107 wrote: Just curious, but why do you have a cross in your sig? Click to expand I thought it was pretty obvious: I have a CRUCIFIX in my signature because my name is CRUCIFIXIO JONES. Doesn't get much simpler than that... Also, you seemed to imply that Christianity is not homophobic. Are you serious about this? Click to expand An attempt to derail? No, I didn't. I said I was neither a Christian nor homophobic. You assumed that I was the former (based on my name and my signature) and as such, that I must also be the latter when the truth is YOU are the only person in this thread who tossed out that derogatory slur. Who are you to make such accusations? So what, if any, is your freakin' point? How 'bout you concentrate on the actual topic at hand and end your fascination with my screenname, my sig, my religious beliefs or anything to do with me, period (especially considering the fact that you have YET to hit paydirt with ANY of your easily-debunked theories about me). Because none of that has anything to do with black contract girls. Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 1/22/2010 11:32:00 PM [Link]
Bren40 Deactivated User 26 Posts 12/09	Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 11:31PM hollywood woody wrote: Crucifixio_Jones wrote: Somebody within VIVID should gag you. You shouldn't be speaking on behalf of ANY company, especially not VIVID, salesperson or not. At this point, I'd rather hear from Hirsch's secretary or someone in the mailroom. They might actually have more insight. I agree with Bren40 in a sense. You may say VIVID doesn't sign a color, you sign a person but the truth is, I don't think there's any way in hell VIVID signs a black girl these days. You can point to your illustrious past all you like but that's exactly what it is - the past. What about TODAY, Woody? Because that's the issue here, not Asia Carrera, not Kobe Tai, not Taya or Heather Hunter and ESPECIALLY not some Indian with Caucasian features like Sunny Leone...we're discussing TODAY. So what you've had 3 Black contract stars fifteen years ago in the course of the ENTIRE EXISTENCE/HISTORY of the company? If you can actually COUNT them, as they say, you've probably had too few. I mean, in comparison, can you tell me how many WHITE contract stars Vivid has had equally as fast off the top of your head? Yeah, thought not. And since when has being in a bunch of movies disqualified someone from being signed to a contract? When did VIVID change their stance on this? Because as I recall, that USED to be EXACTLY the girls they'd go after. And imagine if DIGITAL PLAYGROUND or WICKED subscribed to this same asinine methodology (ironically enough, the companies you claim "copied" YOUR business model). How many legitimate stars would we have missed out on in the ensuing years? Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, Devon, Julia Ann...just to name a few. Katsumi had literally done HUNDREDS of movies by the time she signed with DP. "I can also tell you we have never dragged anyone out of any gutter and made them a star." No fuckin' shit. That's exactly what we're saying. VIVID's star-making powers are virtually nil. You've already proved yourself pretty dim and incapable of catching figures of speech so let me spell it out for you: the poster didn't mean LITERALLY "dragged out of the gutter." He meant someone who was basically unknown in the world of adult. So it's funny to read that you agree that VIVID has never made an unknown talent a star. So what makes you think Lia, for example, will be any different? I'll give you a clue: she WON'T. "Let me tell you how many Black female talent has contacted us in the last 5 years, none." Has it ever crossed your mind that they, like all of us in this very thread, already know it would be a huge waste of their time? If I was a black female with aspirations of joining VIVID's roster, a quick perusal of the girls you currently have under contract and looking at the boxcovers of your releases would tell me all I need to know: my KIND isn't wanted. Is that 100% true? Perhaps not. But that's the message I'd get. People know where they're wanted and where they're not and I think black girls get the message that VIVID will never be a place they can call home. Contact you? They may as well contact NASA. "If you know someone who qualifies tell them to contact us." A bold statement indeed but one that will never be answered because no one knows what VIVID's "qualifications" are. And whatever they are, they'll only shift and change as they see fit to exclude whomever doesn't fit their idea of a "contract star" which, at this time, seems to be VERY narrow. "BTW, I said if Halle Berry wanted to do porn we or any other company would shoot it in a second, that will never happen. I also stated if there was a girl who looked remotely like Halle Berry we would sign her in a second." Can you please stop saying this? You don't need any more help in sounding close-minded and ignorant. Is this statement supposed to support or solidify the fact that VIVID is open to signing a black girl? Because it DOESN'T. Geez. Halle Berry this, Halle Berry that...we get it. My question is, why does someone have to look like her or ANY celebrity to get "signed in a second?" I'm pretty damn sure that's not how the rest of your roster got assembled. Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 1/22/2010 8:05:08 PM Click to expand Until you can talk to me without attacking me, and treat me like a human being, I will not respond to any of your militant posts. So save your rants for someone else Sparky. I could care less of how you feel or your opinion about anything. You are just trying to get into an arguement and I will not lower myself to your petty idiocy. Click to expand To Hollywood Woody. Crucifixio_Jones has put forward total commonsense rebuttals for your lame excuses and you refused to answer them. This tells me that your response to my post was total (made up on the spot) BS on your part. CJ had backed you into a corner and you could have been a man and admit that you were lying and your firm has no intention of signing beautiful Black girls but you took the coward exit by crying foul. Your best bet is to leave this thread. Edited by - bren40 on 1/22/2010 11:41:10 PM [Link]
Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09	Posted - Jan 23 2010 : 12:51AM Crucifixio_Jones wrote: 4. Even if you did, that has no bearing on what they like. Isn't it completely possible that black porn fans like black girls and that there is a sizable segment of white porn fans who prefer black girls, too? If all of the above is true, you can't make a blanket statement like "most porn fans prefer white girls" without providing some sort of proof which you can't POSSIBLY have. It was just a dumb ass thing to say, period, with absolutely nothing to back it up other than what YOU happen to think and your narrow view of the world and "most porn fans." Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 1/22/2010 9:50:18 PM Click to expand Actually, without wanting to get into the pissing match going on tonight, the easiest way to back up the "most porn fans prefer white girls" claim is to walk into any porn store and look at what's on the shelf. The black girl section takes up one half of one easel style shelf, while the 50 other shelves are populated with white girls. FYI CJ, dial it back a notch on the rhetoric, your rebuttals to other's posts lack the same credibility that you claim that they lack. [Link]
Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jan 23 2010 : 1:18AM Rosco Fuji wrote: the easiest way to back up the "most porn fans prefer white girls" claim is to walk into any porn store and look at what's on the shelf. The black girl section takes up one half of one easel style shelf, while the 50 other shelves are populated with white girls. FYI CJ, dial it back a notch on the rhetoric, your rebuttals to other's posts lack the same credibility that you claim that they lack. Click to expand Really? Shelf space? That's proof of what's more popular? Perhaps. Or is it just what's more readily available? I think you confuse the two (not at all surprising). Hooray! Another sweeping generalization! And one that TOTALLY ignored my post about the overwhelming amount of white porn being produced as opposed to the small amount of "black" porn that is made in comparison. That doesn't mean it's more popular, per se, just more abundant because the majority of the producers OF porn in this country just happen to BE WHITE. Not only that but I wouldn't be so quick to say ANY porn store, bucko. It also depends on where you live. Come to MY city and I can take you to PLENTY of porn stores where the movies with skinny, flat-assed white girls starring in glossy, slow-motion features are the ones that are in the minority on their shelves. Why? Because that's not what's PREFERRED EVERYWHERE. So how's about YOU dial it back a notch, sport and try traveling before you even attempt to attack my credibility. You just might come to the shocking realization that the world is much bigger and much more diverse than your mom's basement and what you manage to catch on those scrambled Playboy and Spice Channel feeds. But for the record, let me state that I never said that I disagreed with that original statement or that it wasn't true here in the U.S. I simply said there is no accurate way to PROVE it. Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 1/23/2010 1:33:06 AM [Link]
hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jan 23 2010 : 3:09AM Dear Bren I answered you and answered you honestly. Stop hiding behind CJs skirt and speak for yourself. I refuse to answer CJ because I don't like being attacked by someone who has an agenda to get me into a moronic argument. No matter what I say he and you just call me a liar when you have no facts to support you idiotic claims. Why don't you just call me a racist? Vivid shoots IR and is coming out with it's second Savanna IR next month. Why don't you attack Wicked or DP with your racist claims as they haven't signed a black starlet either. Nor have they ever had one. Vivid has. What is it you want me to say that will satisfy you? You and your buddy CJ are right, we will never sign a black starlet? I would say that just to shut the two of you up, but it would be a lie. When a black performer comes along that Steven wants to sign, we will sign her. Heather Hunter had no problem walking into our offices, neither did Taya, neither did anyone else, so to say they won't come in because they know they won't be signed is just plain horse shit. I didn't know you guys were Kreskin, I didn't know you could see into the future, I didn't know you know what is in others minds and that you know what they think. Maybe you two should start a Las Vegas act together. I am speaking on behalf of me. CJ is now in another argument with another poster, wait another two posters. Cum Fiesta and Roscoe. Both are really good guys. CJ surely isn't the henry kissenger of porn. Roscoe is 100% on his point about CJ, maybe he should dial it down a notch, I think most people are getting pretty sick of his snarky comments. I would venture to say Cum Fiesta has more knowledge about porn in his little finger than the two of you put together. Love the series Cum Fiesta, I sold it originally for Pulse, great stuff. FYI producers such as CF and sales people such as myself do visit stores, I have been in more adult and regular video stores in the last 20 years than the two of you could ever dream of going to. From Trenton New Jersey to Beverly Hills. From Detroit to Denver. Dothen Alabama to downtown Cleveland Ohio. There is plenty of black titles produced, from the years that Video Team did it until now as West Coast does. If you don't like the selection maybe you should try your rants and raves on the store owners. If someone doesn't agree with you guys they are wrong and you are right? I mean Really...seriously.....really? I will leave this thread when I feel like it. And you know what, I don't feel like it. If my responses brother you, maybe you should leave. When CJ treats others with respect maybe he won't get called names, seems he doesn't like it, well either do I. I am not on here to get bitch slapped by you or anyone else. Edited by - hollywood woody on 1/23/2010 3:16:40 AM Edited by - hollywood woody on 1/23/2010 3:36:54 AM Edited by - hollywood woody on 1/23/2010 3:42:34 AM [Link]

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Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 1:32PM

^ My brain can only withstand so much IR/anal militancy before my head threatens to explode; hence my many multi-month boycotts of The Porn Poop.
I can usually be found posting in Porn News or conversing with the two other people in Pop Culture who share my fondness for Italian genre movies.
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Nope.....I'm a lone wolf.
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Too late, sounds like you have a partner for life.

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Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 2:28PM

If that's the case, I want a divorce.

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grover

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Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 5:51PM

All this talk about contract girls and the like begs me to ask the following question:
What are the qualifications to be a contract girl? For Vivid? For Wicked?

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Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 6:17PM

^ Keep in my mind that my observation, for what it's worth, applies ONLY to Wicked.
There IS no list of qualifications written or unwritten, that must be met...hence my bemusement with this entire thread.
When Mr. Orenstein encounters a lady he'd like to sign, he does so.
Chasey Lain, Jenna Jameson, Serenity, Devinn Lane, Julia Ann, Stormy Daniels, jessica drake, Kaylani Lei, Kirsten Price, Alektra Blue and the rest of the wonderful ladies all came to the company this way.
This process has allowed the Wicked Girls to have the longest winning streak for the AVN Best Actress trophy (eight consecutive years) in the enitre 27 year history of the award.
I know this does not mean much in the world of gonzo, but for a feature-driven company it is a most praiseworthy accomplishment.
I think Steve's instincts over the years have served the company and the girls very well.
Just my

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DM/PR wrote:
^ Keep in my mind that my observation, for what it's worth, applies ONLY to Wicked.
There IS no list of qualifications written or unwritten, that must be met...hence my bemusement with this entire thread.
When Mr. Orenstein encounters a lady he'd like to sign, he does so.
Chasey Lain, Jenna Jameson, Serenity, Devinn Lane, Julia Ann, Stormy Daniels, jessica drake, Kaylani Lei, Kirsten Price, Alektra Blue and the rest of the wonderful ladies all came to the company this way.
This process has allowed the Wicked Girls to have the longest winning streak for the AVN Best Actress trophy (eight consecutive years) in the enitre 27 year history of the award.
I know this does not mean much in the world of gonzo, but for a feature-driven company it is a most praiseworthy accomplishment.
I think Steve's instincts over the years have served the company and the girls very well.
Just my
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I think you are quite right.
Again there are some givens, but it is a feeling the owners get.

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Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 6:44PM

^ So, based on your responses, both Daniel and Woody, it seems that the selection solely rests on the owner of each organization.
Do the potential contract girls go through an interview process?

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^ Again, every case is different, obviously these are privately held companies so the final decision rests with the owners, but certainly in our case he listens to the input from his other contract stars, directors, team members, and members of the press. And over the years I've been careful to give such credit where credit is due in press announcements.
Of course there are meetings/interviews (and no, I've never sat in one and therefore can't spill the details one what might be discussed). Would you sign someone to a big-dollar, multi-year contract without meeting with them first?
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Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 7:22PM

I definitely would not, regardless of the industry. Does the contract allow creative feedback from the girls? Or is it "do as I (owner) say" deals? I have to believe that it has to be the former. I cannot see it being the latter.

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Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 7:36PM

^ Okay, I'll be more blunt. I've never seen a girl's contract. I'm a publicist, not an owner or contract performer. Nothing wrong with asking, but you are seeking answers to things that are simply above my pay scale.
On the subject of "creative feedback," will say simply that I've never met a fairer man in the industry. Look at how many Wicked Girls have become writers, directors, and producers. Stormy Daniels, jessica drake, Devinn Lane and more have all officially worked in all these capacities, and many of the other girls have created the concepts for their projects down through the years.
Stormy began writing scripts - and getting them produced - just five months into her first contract as a performer.
Steve listens, and trusts, and that is part of his brilliance.
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Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 7:50PM

^ This is a *huge* reason why I like Wicked so much. I have complaints, just like any product, but on the whole, Wicked impresses me. Sometimes it feels like the women are really running the show - or, rather, that there is a sense of respect, and that the women are respected equally to the men. Maybe that's me being naive, but that's the impression I get from the films, as well as from the ladies themselves when I have spoken to them.
Would I like Wicked to have an African American contract performer? Sure! I'd also be super excited if they signed April Flores, or any other under-represented identity group. But a) that's pretty much a never-ending and ultimately futile train of thought, b) perhaps those performers are not suited to those companies and/or aren't interested, and c) other than different races, I'm willing to bet the other marginalized groups that could be signed would be met with a big "Gross!" by a lot of the "social justice protesters" here.

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Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 7:51PM

^ Obviously, being a contract performer does have its perks!

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Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 8:01PM

Vivid's long process was "reality-television-ized" on the Showtime series Porno Valley from some years back. I remember Dani Woodward being a main contender but ultimately passed on due to a positive urine drug screen and lying about being clean.
I have no idea how closely it mirrored the actual process and how much was purely for television, but it's still interesting nonetheless - if you can get your hands on it.

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^ I remember that episode.

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Yes they do.

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Posted - Jan 21 2010 : 8:41PM

To hollywood woody
After reading your responses, it is very apparent that you or your firm have absolutely no interest in making a new or fairly known Black female with potential into a contract star no matter how beautiful she is. The only time you will consider making a Black woman a contract star would be the impossible scenario where the Black woman is already superstar from another career like a Halle Berry or a Beyonce and wanted to enter porn.
This is very so unlike your policy for white female newbies or fairly known starlets where you'd drag her out of nowhere from the gutter and give her a contract if you thought there were potential.

Edited by - bren40 on 1/21/2010 10:00:42 PM

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Posted - Jan 21 2010 : 9:06PM

Since other studios also have contract stars, I wonder if their selection process is the same. And what qualifies a girl to be a contract star.
I would think selling power and star potential for the studio would be a great feature point regardless of ethnicity and/or number of films under her belt. Curious!

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Posted - Jan 21 2010 : 9:09PM

^ I believe your question has already been answered earlier in the thread.

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Posted - Jan 21 2010 : 9:19PM

^ Does it have to do something about a target audience?

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hollywood woody
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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 1:37PM

I suggest you reread the posts.
Vivid is the only large company that has had 3 Black contract stars.
I thought misty was quite beautiful, unfortunately she shot 91 movies.
We are not really interested in anyone who has shot for every company out there, be her black or white or any color in between.
The reason is that there is nothing exclusive about someone who has 20 or more movies already out.
I have repeated over and over again that if there was somebody out there worth signing, we would.
Also, what I think you fail to realize is that we don't sign color, we sign the girl, be it yellow, white, black, or purple.
Sunny Leone is from India, she is signed.
Taya was black, she was signed.
Heather Hunter was signed. Kobe Tai was Asian, she was signed.
Vivid has had the most diversified contract stars of any company over the years.
I can also tell you we have never dragged anyone out of any gutter and made them a star.
Most of the girls interested in contracts contact us, it is very seldom we go out recruiting talent, like never.
Let me tell you how many Black female talent has contacted us in the last 5 years, none.
If you know someone who qualifies tell them to contact us.
Thanks for your comments, although I really feel, no disrespect intended, they are completely wrong.
BTW, I said if Halle Berry wanted to do porn we or any other company would shoot it in a second, that will never happen. I also stated if there was a girl who looked remotely like Halle Berry we would sign her in a second.
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Somebody within VIVID should gag you. You shouldn't be speaking on behalf of ANY company, especially not VIVID, salesperson or not. At this point, I'd rather hear from Hirsch's secretary or someone in the mailroom. They might actually have more insight.
I agree with Bren40 in a sense. You may say VIVID doesn't sign a color, you sign a person but the truth is, I don't think there's any way in hell VIVID signs a black girl these days. You can point to your illustrious past all you like but that's exactly what it is - the past. What about TODAY, Woody? Because that's the issue here, not Asia Carrera, not Kobe Tai, not Taya or Heather Hunter and ESPECIALLY not some Indian with Caucasian features like Sunny Leone...we're discussing TODAY. So what you've had 3 Black contract stars fifteen years ago in the course of the ENTIRE EXISTENCE/HISTORY of the company? If you can actually COUNT them, as they say, you've probably had too few. I mean, in comparison, can you tell me how many WHITE contract stars Vivid has had equally as fast off the top of your head? Yeah, thought not.
And since when has being in a bunch of movies disqualified someone from being signed to a contract? When did VIVID change their stance on this? Because as I recall, that USED to be EXACTLY the girls they'd go after. And imagine if DIGITAL PLAYGROUND or WICKED subscribed to this same asinine methodology (ironically enough, the companies you claim "copied" YOUR business model). How many legitimate stars would we have missed out on in the ensuing years? Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, Devon, Julia Ann...just to name a few. Katsumi had literally done HUNDREDS of movies by the time she signed with DP.
"I can also tell you we have never dragged anyone out of any gutter and made them a star."
No fuckin' shit. That's exactly what we're saying. VIVID's star-making powers are virtually nil. You've already proved yourself pretty dim and incapable of catching figures of speech so let me spell it out for you: the poster didn't mean LITERALLY "dragged out of the gutter." He meant someone who was basically unknown in the world of adult. So it's funny to read that you agree that VIVID has never made an unknown talent a star. So what makes you think Lia, for example, will be any different? I'll give you a clue: she WON'T.
"Let me tell you how many Black female talent has contacted us in the last 5 years, none."
Has it ever crossed your mind that they, like all of us in this very thread, already know it would be a huge waste of their time? If I was a black female with aspirations of joining VIVID's roster, a quick perusal of the girls you currently have under contract and looking at the boxcovers of your releases would tell me all I need to know: my KIND isn't wanted. Is that 100% true? Perhaps not. But that's the message I'd get. People know where they're wanted and where they're not and I think black girls get the message that VIVID will never be a place they can call home. Contact you? They may as well contact NASA.
"If you know someone who qualifies tell them to contact us."
A bold statement indeed but one that will never be answered because no one knows what VIVID's "qualifications" are. And whatever they are, they'll only shift and change as they see fit to exclude whomever doesn't fit their idea of a "contract star" which, at this time, seems to be VERY narrow.
"BTW, I said if Halle Berry wanted to do porn we or any other company would shoot it in a second, that will never happen. I also stated if there was a girl who looked remotely like Halle Berry we would sign her in a second."
Can you please stop saying this? You don't need any more help in sounding close-minded and ignorant. Is this statement supposed to support or solidify the fact that VIVID is open to signing a black girl? Because it DOESN'T. Geez. Halle Berry this, Halle Berry that...we get it. When did she (who, like Sunny Leone, doesn't exactly typify the predominate and stereotypical features of their respective races) become the measuring stick of black beauty anyway? If that's all you guys are waiting for, you may NEVER get it. So in the meantime, you're just going to pass over perfectly gorgeous and capable and black talent (which you do) because they don't look like Halle Berry? And you wonder why we believe you won't be signing a black girl any time soon... Your standards are...baffling. To say the least. But we don't even truly know if those are VIVID's standards because the freakin' sales guy is the only one in here talking and the more he talks, the less I want to listen.
My question is, why does someone have to look like her, some other celeb or ANYONE to get "signed in a second?" Can they just be a beautiful girl who looks like themselves and no one who came before them? I'm pretty damn sure that's not how the rest of your roster got assembled and that it's not a prerequisite for someone white to be considered.

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 8:16PM

Crucifixio_Jones wrote:
Somebody within VIVID should gag you. You shouldn't be speaking on behalf of ANY company, especially not VIVID, salesperson or not. At this point, I'd rather hear from Hirsch's secretary or someone in the mailroom. They might actually have more insight.
I agree with Bren40 in a sense. You may say VIVID doesn't sign a color, you sign a person but the truth is, I don't think there's any way in hell VIVID signs a black girl these days. You can point to your illustrious past all you like but that's exactly what it is - the past. What about TODAY, Woody? Because that's the issue here, not Asia Carrera, not Kobe Tai, not Taya or Heather Hunter and ESPECIALLY not some Indian with Caucasian features like Sunny Leone...we're discussing TODAY. So what you've had 3 Black contract stars fifteen years ago in the course of the ENTIRE EXISTENCE/HISTORY of the company? If you can actually COUNT them, as they say, you've probably had too few. I mean, in comparison, can you tell me how many WHITE contract stars Vivid has had equally as fast off the top of your head? Yeah, thought not.
And since when has being in a bunch of movies disqualified someone from being signed to a contract? When did VIVID change their stance on this? Because as I recall, that USED to be EXACTLY the girls they'd go after. And imagine if DIGITAL PLAYGROUND or WICKED subscribed to this same asinine methodology (ironically enough, the companies you claim "copied" YOUR business model). How many legitimate stars would we have missed out on in the ensuing years? Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, Devon, Julia Ann...just to name a few. Katsumi had literally done HUNDREDS of movies by the time she signed with DP.
"I can also tell you we have never dragged anyone out of any gutter and made them a star."
No fuckin' shit. That's exactly what we're saying. VIVID's star-making powers are virtually nil. You've already proved yourself pretty dim and incapable of catching figures of speech so let me spell it out for you: the poster didn't mean LITERALLY "dragged out of the gutter." He meant someone who was basically unknown in the world of adult. So it's funny to read that you agree that VIVID has never made an unknown talent a star. So what makes you think Lia, for example, will be any different? I'll give you a clue: she WON'T.
"Let me tell you how many Black female talent has contacted us in the last 5 years, none."
Has it ever crossed your mind that they, like all of us in this very thread, already know it would be a huge waste of their time? If I was a black female with aspirations of joining VIVID's roster, a quick perusal of the girls you currently have under contract and looking at the boxcovers of your releases would tell me all I need to know: my KIND isn't wanted. Is that 100% true? Perhaps not. But that's the message I'd get. People know where they're wanted and where they're not and I think black girls get the message that VIVID will never be a place they can call home. Contact you? They may as well contact NASA.
"If you know someone who qualifies tell them to contact us."
A bold statement indeed but one that will never be answered because no one knows what VIVID's "qualifications" are. And whatever they are, they'll only shift and change as they see fit to exclude whomever doesn't fit their idea of a "contract star" which, at this time, seems to be VERY narrow.
"BTW, I said if Halle Berry wanted to do porn we or any other company would shoot it in a second, that will never happen. I also stated if there was a girl who looked remotely like Halle Berry we would sign her in a second."
Can you please stop saying this? You don't need any more help in sounding close-minded and ignorant. Is this statement supposed to support or solidify the fact that VIVID is open to signing a black girl? Because it DOESN'T. Geez. Halle Berry this, Halle Berry that...we get it. My question is, why does someone have to look like her or ANY celebrity to get "signed in a second?" I'm pretty damn sure that's not how the rest of your roster got assembled.
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Until you can talk to me without attacking me, and treat me like a human being, I will not respond to any of your militant posts.
So save your rants for someone else Sparky. I could care less of how you feel or your opinion about anything.
You are just trying to get into an arguement and I will not lower myself to your petty idiocy.

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 8:19PM

Not really a lot in the period of time she's been active. In favor of anyone considering Misty for a contract is that she hasn't been on a load of boxcovers like Marie Luv was. She'd still have that air of exclusivity for anybody who wanted to take her in that direction. Btw, she's got a captivating personality that goes well with the job. I'd prefer that Misty get more work in the channels that I watch, but she's definitely the kind of girl that goes over well in couples fare. Check her out in the Cosby's parody.

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 8:25PM

Well, that's certainly one way to get out of addressing a valid argument or engaging in an actual discussion. And just because I repsonded directly to YOUR claims, that doesn't mean I was expecting a response from YOU. Truth be told, I wasn't. I mean, what could you possibly say? You don't have to say a word. There are more people participating in this thread than you and I'm pretty sure they can all see the truth when they read it.
"You're being mean! So I'm not going to talk!" Waaaaah. Big deal. Don't! Don't threaten me with a good time, chief! With the name "Woody" and working for VIVID, I assumed you were an adult man. I guess I wrong. Well, you know what they say about "assumptions"...
The truth is, I'm probably the one person in this thread who really doesn't give a damn what VIVID does; whether they sign 12 black girls, 3 transsexuals or a Ford Expedition full of circus midgets. I'm not here to argue for civil rights in porn, as anyone who has frequented this board for any amount of time can tell you. And I certainly don't go from thread to thread, flaming people and looking to pick fights like you imply.
But what I CAN'T stand is reading post after post of spin and outright LIES about what a company would do if the right girl came along, knowing full well they have ZERO intention of making good on those words. I apologize that you believe calling you and your employers on your bullshit is an "attack" and you're obviously not equipped to handle it and/or respond or refute any points I've brought forth (which is exactly why you shouldn't be speaking on their behalf in the first place). So go ahead, take your ball and go home, coward.
By the way, that last sentence? THAT was an attack. Peace, Woodrow. I think you've embarrassed yourself enough for one day.

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 8:46PM

Do you think she could still have some exclusivity?
Maybe by working with some people she has never worked with she could. She is very hot.
Has she done anal yet? Sorry have to ask.

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 8:49PM

YOU'RE a towel.

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 8:50PM

I will have someone in the mailroom get back to you.

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 9:20PM

Good question. Most porn fans prefer white girls so you'll always see more white girls in porn.

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 9:30PM

I'm going to do you a favor and not even ask the logical question of "Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?" because I KNOW YOU DON'T.

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 9:32PM

Yeah...porn has mostly white girls because of racism, right?

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 9:43PM

I wasn't implying that. The easy answer, obviously, would be that porn has mostly white participants because this COUNTRY is mostly white. Porn is a microcosm of our society. Therefore most occupations (unless you're an athlete, entertainer or drug dealer which, technically, isn't an actual occupation, per se) will be filled by Caucasians. But just because whites are the majority in America doesn't mean you can just make wild and unfounded assumptions about their personal tastes. Duh.
I swear to God, CJ can't win. I defend girls who don't do IR and I get called an Uncle Tom, a coon and worse by the black posters here (and other places I don't even post!). I point out some race-related truths about another company and I'm accused of pulling the race card by white posters. What's a nigga to do?
I'm simply saying there's no way on Earth that you can know that allegedly "most porn fans prefer white girls."
1. Do you personally know most porn fans?
2. If you don't, how can you claim to know what their preferences are?
3. You don't even know the ethnicity of the majority of porn fans.
4. Even if you did, that has no bearing on what they like. Isn't it completely possible that black porn fans like black girls and that there is a sizable segment of white porn fans who prefer black girls, too?
If all of the above is true, you can't make a blanket statement like "most porn fans prefer white girls" without providing some sort of proof which you can't POSSIBLY have. It was just a dumb ass thing to say, period, with absolutely nothing to back it up other than what YOU happen to think and your narrow view of the world and "most porn fans."

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 9:47PM

hollywood woody wrote:
picman wrote:
hollywood woody wrote:
I saw that girl misty on here, she is certainly someone who would qualify. Except for the fact that she shot 91 movies.
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Not really a lot in the period of time she's been active. In favor of anyone considering Misty for a contract is that she hasn't been on a load of boxcovers like Marie Luv was. She'd still have that air of exclusivity for anybody who wanted to take her in that direction. Btw, she's got a captivating personality that goes well with the job. I'd prefer that Misty get more work in the channels that I watch, but she's definitely the kind of girl that goes over well in couples fare. Check her out in the Cosby's parody.
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Do you think she could still have some exclusivity?
Maybe by working with some people she has never worked with she could. She is very hot.
Has she done anal yet? Sorry have to ask.
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According to IAFD, no anal for Misty.

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 9:49PM

Ok, if you want to be such a precise person, then no, I don't have proof for that.
I can say that it's quite possible though given that movies with white girls are selling more than movies with black girls or any other race. Don't you think people in the porn industry would notice by now based on sales figures if white girls are the most preferred or not? If they really aren't, porn companies would be hiring more girls from other races.
*Refrain from homophobic phrases please.
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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 9:51PM

Damn, did you really have to call me a a homophobic name, though?
But to address what you did manage to say without hurling homophobic epithets...
I don't think we'll EVER know if minorities sell more movies than their white counterparts because of the huge disparity in the amount of product being released. If 100 movies featuring white performers are released for every 10 starring black performers, of course, by sheer numbers, they will always outsell the movies with minorities in them. That doesn't necessarily mean that they are preferred. It means that, like I said before, the majority of the producers of porn in this country are white and that's the product they choose to make at this time. We'll never know what porn fans truly prefer until there's a level playing field. I get what you're saying, sort of, but it's just not a FACT.
Now how's that for some precision faggotry?

Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 1/22/2010 10:00:58 PM
Edited by - redish on 1/24/2010 2:46:23 AM

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 9:52PM

not true
believe it or not, one of the largest internet porn companies, videobox, claims their #1 request (by a longshot), is for transexual porn.
Black or White.
Think I'm shiting you. Go read their blog.
it's free to non-members.
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cumfiesta2107
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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 9:52PM

Just wondering, judging by your name and the cross in your sig, are you a Christian? If so, why the fuck are you on a porn forum?

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 9:55PM

Um..the topic is about race preference not gender preference.
However, even if that is true, it's just one company.

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 10:03PM

Judging by your name, do you enjoy taking multiple facials? If so, why the fuck aren't you somewhere getting hosed down?

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 10:20PM

I was only replying to the part i bolded.
meh..that's why i bolded it, before i replied.
carry on.

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 10:23PM

That's my name because I used to work for cumfiesta.
It's interesting that you brought up homophobia when your religion pretty much preaches homophobic concepts all the time.

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 10:30PM

*shaking my head vigorously*
My point was obviously lost on you. What I was saying by pointing out your name is that A NAME IS JUST A NAME. It doesn't imply anything about your character and least of all your religious beliefs. So any assumptions you may have about "my" religion (for the record, not that it's anyone's business, I can't say I really have one), are once again, just that -- assumptions. WRONG ones, to be "precise" in this case. So you can go ahead and let that burgeoning grudge go, sport.
I do, however, find it immeasurably entertaining that, one, you'd attempt to even bring religion into this conversation (if that's not off-topic and TRULY grasping at straws!!!), then criticize the said assumed religion of a complete stranger for doing something that they didn't even do but YOU did. Three words for you: Pot. Kettle. Black.
Only at ADT, folks.

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 10:37PM

Just curious, but why do you have a cross in your sig?
Also, you seemed to imply that Christianity is not homophobic. Are you serious about this?

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 10:58PM

No anal ... yet. I'd venture to guess she would have more exclusivity than Lanny Barbie did at the time of her signing, who was pretty well known in the gonzo world and quite popular.

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 11:25PM

I thought it was pretty obvious: I have a CRUCIFIX in my signature because my name is CRUCIFIXIO JONES. Doesn't get much simpler than that...

An attempt to derail?
No, I didn't. I said *I* was neither a Christian nor homophobic. You assumed that I was the former (based on my name and my signature) and as such, that I must also be the latter when the truth is YOU are the only person in this thread who tossed out that derogatory slur. Who are you to make such accusations?
So what, if any, is your freakin' point? How 'bout you concentrate on the actual topic at hand and end your fascination with my screenname, my sig, my religious beliefs or anything to do with me, period (especially considering the fact that you have YET to hit paydirt with ANY of your easily-debunked theories about me). Because none of that has anything to do with black contract girls.

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Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 11:31PM

hollywood woody wrote:
Crucifixio_Jones wrote:
Somebody within VIVID should gag you. You shouldn't be speaking on behalf of ANY company, especially not VIVID, salesperson or not. At this point, I'd rather hear from Hirsch's secretary or someone in the mailroom. They might actually have more insight.
I agree with Bren40 in a sense. You may say VIVID doesn't sign a color, you sign a person but the truth is, I don't think there's any way in hell VIVID signs a black girl these days. You can point to your illustrious past all you like but that's exactly what it is - the past. What about TODAY, Woody? Because that's the issue here, not Asia Carrera, not Kobe Tai, not Taya or Heather Hunter and ESPECIALLY not some Indian with Caucasian features like Sunny Leone...we're discussing TODAY. So what you've had 3 Black contract stars fifteen years ago in the course of the ENTIRE EXISTENCE/HISTORY of the company? If you can actually COUNT them, as they say, you've probably had too few. I mean, in comparison, can you tell me how many WHITE contract stars Vivid has had equally as fast off the top of your head? Yeah, thought not.
And since when has being in a bunch of movies disqualified someone from being signed to a contract? When did VIVID change their stance on this? Because as I recall, that USED to be EXACTLY the girls they'd go after. And imagine if DIGITAL PLAYGROUND or WICKED subscribed to this same asinine methodology (ironically enough, the companies you claim "copied" YOUR business model). How many legitimate stars would we have missed out on in the ensuing years? Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, Devon, Julia Ann...just to name a few. Katsumi had literally done HUNDREDS of movies by the time she signed with DP.
"I can also tell you we have never dragged anyone out of any gutter and made them a star."
No fuckin' shit. That's exactly what we're saying. VIVID's star-making powers are virtually nil. You've already proved yourself pretty dim and incapable of catching figures of speech so let me spell it out for you: the poster didn't mean LITERALLY "dragged out of the gutter." He meant someone who was basically unknown in the world of adult. So it's funny to read that you agree that VIVID has never made an unknown talent a star. So what makes you think Lia, for example, will be any different? I'll give you a clue: she WON'T.
"Let me tell you how many Black female talent has contacted us in the last 5 years, none."
Has it ever crossed your mind that they, like all of us in this very thread, already know it would be a huge waste of their time? If I was a black female with aspirations of joining VIVID's roster, a quick perusal of the girls you currently have under contract and looking at the boxcovers of your releases would tell me all I need to know: my KIND isn't wanted. Is that 100% true? Perhaps not. But that's the message I'd get. People know where they're wanted and where they're not and I think black girls get the message that VIVID will never be a place they can call home. Contact you? They may as well contact NASA.
"If you know someone who qualifies tell them to contact us."
A bold statement indeed but one that will never be answered because no one knows what VIVID's "qualifications" are. And whatever they are, they'll only shift and change as they see fit to exclude whomever doesn't fit their idea of a "contract star" which, at this time, seems to be VERY narrow.
"BTW, I said if Halle Berry wanted to do porn we or any other company would shoot it in a second, that will never happen. I also stated if there was a girl who looked remotely like Halle Berry we would sign her in a second."
Can you please stop saying this? You don't need any more help in sounding close-minded and ignorant. Is this statement supposed to support or solidify the fact that VIVID is open to signing a black girl? Because it DOESN'T. Geez. Halle Berry this, Halle Berry that...we get it. My question is, why does someone have to look like her or ANY celebrity to get "signed in a second?" I'm pretty damn sure that's not how the rest of your roster got assembled.
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Until you can talk to me without attacking me, and treat me like a human being, I will not respond to any of your militant posts.
So save your rants for someone else Sparky. I could care less of how you feel or your opinion about anything.
You are just trying to get into an arguement and I will not lower myself to your petty idiocy.
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To Hollywood Woody.
Crucifixio_Jones has put forward total commonsense rebuttals for your lame excuses and you refused to answer them. This tells me that your response to my post was total (made up on the spot) BS on your part.
CJ had backed you into a corner and you could have been a man and admit that you were lying and your firm has no intention of signing beautiful Black girls but you took the coward exit by crying foul.
Your best bet is to leave this thread.
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Posted - Jan 23 2010 : 12:51AM

Actually, without wanting to get into the pissing match going on tonight, the easiest way to back up the "most porn fans prefer white girls" claim is to walk into any porn store and look at what's on the shelf. The black girl section takes up one half of one easel style shelf, while the 50 other shelves are populated with white girls. FYI CJ, dial it back a notch on the rhetoric, your rebuttals to other's posts lack the same credibility that you claim that they lack.

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Posted - Jan 23 2010 : 1:18AM

Really? Shelf space? That's proof of what's more popular? Perhaps. Or is it just what's more readily available? I think you confuse the two (not at all surprising).
Hooray! Another sweeping generalization! And one that TOTALLY ignored my post about the overwhelming amount of white porn being produced as opposed to the small amount of "black" porn that is made in comparison. That doesn't mean it's more popular, per se, just more abundant because the majority of the producers OF porn in this country just happen to BE WHITE.
Not only that but I wouldn't be so quick to say ANY porn store, bucko. It also depends on where you live. Come to MY city and I can take you to PLENTY of porn stores where the movies with skinny, flat-assed white girls starring in glossy, slow-motion features are the ones that are in the minority on their shelves. Why? Because that's not what's PREFERRED EVERYWHERE. So how's about YOU dial it back a notch, sport and try traveling before you even attempt to attack my credibility. You just might come to the shocking realization that the world is much bigger and much more diverse than your mom's basement and what you manage to catch on those scrambled Playboy and Spice Channel feeds.
But for the record, let me state that I never said that I disagreed with that original statement or that it wasn't true here in the U.S. I simply said there is no accurate way to PROVE it.

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Posted - Jan 23 2010 : 3:09AM

Dear Bren
I answered you and answered you honestly.
Stop hiding behind CJs skirt and speak for yourself.
I refuse to answer CJ because I don't like being attacked by someone who has an agenda to get me into a moronic argument.
No matter what I say he and you just call me a liar when you have no facts to support you idiotic claims.
Why don't you just call me a racist?
Vivid shoots IR and is coming out with it's second Savanna IR next month.
Why don't you attack Wicked or DP with your racist claims as they haven't signed a black starlet either.
Nor have they ever had one. Vivid has.
What is it you want me to say that will satisfy you?
You and your buddy CJ are right, we will never sign a black starlet?
I would say that just to shut the two of you up, but it would be a lie.
When a black performer comes along that Steven wants to sign, we will sign her.
Heather Hunter had no problem walking into our offices, neither did Taya, neither did anyone else, so to say they won't come in because they know they won't be signed is just plain horse shit.
I didn't know you guys were Kreskin, I didn't know you could see into the future, I didn't know you know what is in others minds and that you know what they think.
Maybe you two should start a Las Vegas act together.
I am speaking on behalf of me.
CJ is now in another argument with another poster, wait another two posters. Cum Fiesta and Roscoe. Both are really good guys.
CJ surely isn't the henry kissenger of porn.
Roscoe is 100% on his point about CJ, maybe he should dial it down a notch, I think most people are getting pretty sick of his snarky comments.
I would venture to say Cum Fiesta has more knowledge about porn in his little finger than the two of you put together.
Love the series Cum Fiesta, I sold it originally for Pulse, great stuff.
FYI producers such as CF and sales people such as myself do visit stores, I have been in more adult and regular video stores in the last 20 years than the two of you could ever dream of going to.
From Trenton New Jersey to Beverly Hills. From Detroit to Denver. Dothen Alabama to downtown Cleveland Ohio.
There is plenty of black titles produced, from the years that Video Team did it until now as West Coast does.
If you don't like the selection maybe you should try your rants and raves on the store owners.
If someone doesn't agree with you guys they are wrong and you are right? I mean Really...seriously.....really?
I will leave this thread when I feel like it. And you know what, I don't feel like it. If my responses brother you, maybe you should leave.
When CJ treats others with respect maybe he won't get called names, seems he doesn't like it, well either do I.
I am not on here to get bitch slapped by you or anyone else.
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