On a side note mainstream Hollywood doesn't treat all their stars all that great either.

Can anyone name 10 child stars that are still doing good for themselves today?

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However, the low earning stripper, porn peddlar and escort are still perceived to be in a seedy low class occupation.

The only way to wipe away peoples sneers is with plenty of $$$ coming in. It justifies what you do.

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I don't agree. I would love to see a Brandon Iron trying to sell the latest Baker's Dozen on the Tonight Show.
Or Alexis Malone setting up a clip with her first DP.

I couldn't care less if it is underground or not. That has nothing to do with why I watch porn.

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On of the reasons porn is frowned upon is cause people still live with the misconception that porn is drugged-up girls with low self esteem just trying to make money for the next hit. A way for seedy businessmen to make money from taking advantage of girls on camera.

The only way to make it accepted, (if that is what you want) is to drag it out into the light. Clean it up. Show that it's just normal people making a decent living out of a fantasy. We know that it's normal peole, we talk to them everyday here in the forums. But I doubt the public do.

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If you make a lot of money stripping or as an escort, chances are you're probably not telling a lot of people about it.

Having a lot of money, certainly makes it easier to deal with the ridicule and judgement, but those things aren't going to stop anytime soon, here, in the US at least.

Heck, I have a really hard time taking it seriously. I do wonder why Jenna hasn't been asked to do one of the late night talk shows. She's just that huge of a celebrity and so beautiful, charismatic and articulate, that she could pull it off if anyone could.

But to promote something like her book or a future book, not to discuss her next porn release. That's not gonna happen. If Kimmel hasn't done it, then there must be someone telling them NO WAY. I'd love to see her do Letterman, though. Literally!

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I'm a libertarian and, sometimes, even I struggle with the issue of paying for sex or sex for a living issues.

Probably has to do with being raised in a puritanical country. That's hard to shake later in life even if you're liberal.

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A reality show on SHO is considered mainstream enough to get you on a talk show like Conan's, just like Jenna's book would have been a reason to get her an invite.

They wouldn't have Adam on to discuss his next Tushy film.

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And yes, many do openly look down on porn stars. More so than politicians and lawyers. If the last two elections have told you anything, this will not change soon.

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It's a way for porn to be mainstream by the public getting to know the people on and behind the camera. Anyways, I'm not declaring the rules to follow or saying I know anything about this. I'm merely thinking out loud.

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Most of the entertainment I find good enough is more or less underground, so I couldn't care less about porn going mainstream - I would look down on the productions just as I look down on almost every Hollywood production. If you think porn flicks are predictable today, just imagine how utterly boring they would be in the mainstream...

I think lots of younger people take it seriosly and can discuss it without feeling uncomfortable, but young liberal people does not rule the world and probably never will...

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You just spent three seconds of your life to read this. You wanna fuck me

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I feel the adult market is rebellious by nature. So if mainstream accepts the adult market then a new form of porno would need to start from scratch.

A good example is rap music. During the mid 80's it became mainstream and you had fred flinstone dressing like Run-DMC in commercials. Within a few years, you saw gangsta rap. A new more "rebellious" form of rap.

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Sounds too much like the mantra of an Enron Executive.

I'd like to add that we will never reach a point where parents are ok with their daughters being escorts or porn stars. That acceptance will always be in the extreme minority.

Anyone remember that thread last year, where a few ADT'ers admitted that they wouldn't want their daughters to do porn?

Edited by - Cyberchicken on 7/16/2005 5:37:36 PM

Edited by - Cyberchicken on 7/16/2005 5:38:00 PM

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Btw, the girl who plays Veronica Mars looks like Harmony and vice versa.

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Females in porn will always be looked at as victims as oposed to people will talent. The males in porn are looked at as scumbags who take advantage of them. Sex on camera will never be considered a talent by most either. People like most of us here, who openly admit to watching it, will also be looked at as perverts or people who support the degrading the women.

-PornoPunK

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It's the redheaded stepchild of
board rooms across the world. They like the meat but don't neccessarly want to hear the crys from the slaughter house. You'll probably never see any stockholders returning any dividend checks because
it came from smut. Now that's respect.

Cal444
Somewhere, where's the beef

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I should stop calling well-meaning people provincial.

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I believe that if someone made a mainstream movie that used a porn actor as one of the main characters and the movie made alot money, say $100 million, porn would be taken more seriously. It would open the door for porn actors in Hollywood, just like what's happened for rappers.

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When the term was coined it was apparently catering to the upper class (not everybody could read) by upper class "satellites" (artists sponsored by the aristocracy, wealthy), and nowadays the part associated with the "-graphy" thingy - which includes imagination - got lost, with the invention of videos.

Do you really think that 98% of these unimaginative videos come from a pool of rebellious talent?

Rebels have at least some imagination!

In most cases the quality and intention of the product says "crap made by moronic scumbags too incompetent to get a job in the mainstream movie/commercial/music video/TV market for morons unable to get laid".

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It differs however by showing full penetrative sex and stars adult actresses such as Karen Lancaume (who recently commited suicide).

Maybe porn will be taken more seriously if we see it used more frequently in these provacative and arty type films.

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