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| shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03 |  Posted - Jun 2 2003 : 6:16PMSurfing around I read somewhere that Pierre Woodman used to lure nearly virgin girls into his productions by inviting them to exotic places for alleged naked photo-shots only. Once there he shall have exercised pressure on them telling them how much he spent for their trip etc, to make them finally give into hardcore sex for his films. Now, whatever is true of this rumors, the endproduct on film is excellent and has me (and not only me, I am sure!) given countless nice wanking sessions. Still, I just wonder whether working for Hustler he changed his policy. I have spotted a bunch of very nice Russian girls in Hustler films and would prefer to be sure there was no such pressure. From what I can see, many of them are filmed somewhere in former USSR or Budapest rather then exotic places. But, still, I just want to be sure... (cause I dont like the idea that <our> beautiful girls are getting exploited) [Link] |
| DenverDon Benevolent Firmly Embedded in Depravity 5914 Posts 7/02 | Posted - Jun 2 2003 : 6:29PM DenverDon [Link] |
| French guy Member 335 Posts 9/01 | Posted - Jun 2 2003 : 6:39PM Most of these girls never did anal or cum swallowing in their life, next thing you see their pretty faces glazing with Woodman semen. [Link] |
| shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Jun 2 2003 : 6:54PM <Woodmans Castings> are very controverse, I understand, but what I would like to know, is about that exotic island thing. And especially wheter he is doing that trick for Hustler, too. If he ever did it at all. [Link] |
| Sbando Boy Euro Babe Magnet 1839 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jun 2 2003 : 7:03PM In the early (up to the mid) 90's everybody used that tactic. Agents, directors. They would fly a bunch of girls to Italy or France with the promise of a fancy job (softcore or fashion). And once the girls had discovered the truth, they would take their passports away or they would simply refuse to fly them back to Hungary or Russia. In Castings 44 or 45 Stella Virgin tells (to Woodman) the story of how she got cheated by her agent and ended up doing anal sex for Kovi. Same tactic. You don't want to do it? Ok. Give us back the ticket money. She even mentions the agent's name. From 1995 on, it's hard to think that any girl could get "lured" by Woodman (or by anybody else) since they're waiting in line outside his hotel room and they're very aware of what the job is. [Link] |
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| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 1:51AM [Link] |
| shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 2:05AM Why exactly from 1995 onwards? And how do they know in which hotel Woodman stays? How do they get there in the first place? [Link] |
| Sbando Boy Euro Babe Magnet 1839 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 7:03AM The girls go to the agents, well-known and legitimate agents. Maybe they (the girls) are not psychologically prepared, but willing to work in XXX. And they all know very well that it's hardcore porn and not kittens or fashion or sofcore.
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| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 7:26AM [Link] |
| Sbando Boy Euro Babe Magnet 1839 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 7:51AM [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 8:06AM [Link] |
| shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 8:56AM Now, I am still wondering what changed from 1994 to 1995? Please ellude me on that, Sbando, too. Thanks! [Link] |
| Sbando Boy Euro Babe Magnet 1839 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 9:25AM On the "vergins" myth: O.T.: [Link] |
| DenverDon Benevolent Firmly Embedded in Depravity 5914 Posts 7/02 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 9:53AM Well video virgin, or camera virgin perhaps. That can be cutting a pretty thin line with their real life. The girls aren't dumb, they've signed papers, they pretty well know what they're getting into. You simply don't take someone that is a 'true virgin' and within two hours plug her butt and splooge on her face. In my opinion, the Woodman Castings series is a PR attempt to make Woodman look like the smoothest talking cocksman in the history of the Universe. In the sense that some believe it, I guess he's successful. DenverDon [Link] |
| Sbando Boy Euro Babe Magnet 1839 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 11:20AM There's an enormous difference between the girls of the early days (mostly Russians and Latvians) and the jaded Czech-Hungarians of today. Nikki Anderson's story is probably true. That said, No, they know what they are getting into but they have no idea how the actual experience will be.They're not professional pornstars. Rita Faltoyano has told many times how traumatizing her first experience on a set was. She didn't expect to do anal or stuff like that and ended up being dp'ed on a beach. So: no, the castings are not staged. The brutality and the implied misogyny of them is pretty obvious. [Link] |
| aybesea Senior Member Caroline Cage - Hungarian Hottie! 1485 Posts 5/02 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 11:56AM [Link] |
| DenverDon Benevolent Firmly Embedded in Depravity 5914 Posts 7/02 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 1:03PM However, Sbando has a different take on it too. DenverDon [Link] |
| Walter Burns Legendary Quoter IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 1:12PM GaySatyr said: "I can hardly believe I've spawned one quotable!" [Link] |
| Cyberchicken Member 900 Posts 4/02 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 1:36PM CC [Link] |
| Sbando Boy Euro Babe Magnet 1839 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 1:55PM At least, do your homework first. Ok, whatever. [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 2:07PM [Link] |
| French guy Member 335 Posts 9/01 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 3:31PM True the Hungarians or the Czech chicks are very professional but I have yet to see one really enjoying getting banged on screen. [Link] |
| Sbando Boy Euro Babe Magnet 1839 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 3:39PM Do you even read the posts before you treat everybody else like dumbasses? "Those Euro chicks you fantasize on are only there to cash the cheque" Don't tell me... [Link] |
| shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 3:53PM Wrong, they get payed cash just after their scene. Hahaha! ...and nothing wrong with that. Of course their major motivation is money. Still some come to like their job, some play orgasms better than others. The only question I had was about how Woodman gets his Hustler girls to do all the acts he wants to film with them (because we consumers want to see that). If it is money or money combined even with some caring initiation by a male crew member, nothing wrong with that. But if it is the exotic-island trick or his alleged pre-1995 brutal misogyn attacks, I'd have to think twice before buying the next Hustler XXX. Edited by - Shameless on 6/3/2003 3:55:05 PM [Link] |
| sir_cumshooter Member uk 96 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 4:00PM [Link] |
| Wally Senior Member 1821 Posts 8/01 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 4:50PM [Link] |
| Speelie Senior Member Fort Collins, CO 1191 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 5:04PM To keep this on topic, I enjoy seeing this out of the women even more if I believe they had a bad experience on other sets, such as for PW, and that in what I am watching they are enjoying one of the "good days." With that said, a few girls, such as Sunny Blue, apparently really enjoy working for Woodman. [Link] |
Hardware  All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 5:09PM [Link] |
| Sbando Boy Euro Babe Magnet 1839 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 5:21PM Ahhhhh... [Link] |
| Wally Senior Member 1821 Posts 8/01 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 5:22PM [Link] |
| Wally Senior Member 1821 Posts 8/01 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 6:00PM Edited by - wally on 6/3/2003 6:18:11 PM [Link] |
| shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 6:15PM That toilet-example and others, besides, you refer to are acts that have taken place on mutual agreement of consenting adults on set. If Rocco would recruit his girls that way, I doubt he would have all those cuties working for him. [Link] |
| David X Member 128 Posts 5/02 | Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 8:24PM [Link] |
| shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Jun 4 2003 : 6:04AM It is a difference wheter a (Russian) girl answers his model call and travels to Budapest looking for a job with him, or wheter he invites girls to trips in exotic countries coving all the airfare just to do his trick there. Woodman might have his own style, but that example with Angel you cite (Castings 36) just shows his great merit providing us consumers with new super beautiful willing girls. Glad to read about all those Russian beauties he recruits either in Moscow or Budapest to use them as actresses in his Hustler films. He truely lets the world know about the beauty of our girls! ...and I surely have to lay my hand on all Hustlers with decent sex now. [Link] |
| David X Member 128 Posts 5/02 | Posted - Jun 4 2003 : 9:03AM [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jun 4 2003 : 10:49AM [Link] |
| shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Jun 4 2003 : 10:59AM Maybe he does take some sort advantage of them by fucking them himself. I can well immagine that some girls think that if they do it with him, they get more film jobs. However, I cannot scold him on that as Woodman is only a man, too. And I think I would do the same if I were in his position. These girls are just too cute, to abstain! However, important is, they agree mutually without pressure, just monetairy incense. David-X:
<beloved boyfriend>? Her love for money was obviousely stronger. Thats life. Edited by - Shameless on 6/4/2003 11:56:03 AM [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jun 4 2003 : 12:02PM [Link] |
| Joey Starr Senior Member Still wanking after all these years. 8082 Posts 10/00 | Posted - Jun 4 2003 : 12:48PM Any scene with Woodman makes me want to throw up, it's even worse than Ron Jeremy, Herschel Savage, and Ed Powers combined! He's so ugly and slimmy, at the same time fucking spectacularly beautiful girls, well I guess this can appeal to some... He can be a brilliant director though... Edited by - joey starr on 6/4/2003 12:49:46 PM [Link] |
| Joey Starr Senior Member Still wanking after all these years. 8082 Posts 10/00 | Posted - Jun 4 2003 : 12:54PM Edited by - joey starr on 6/4/2003 1:07:35 PM [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jun 4 2003 : 1:51PM Alright, Woodman may not be good looking or something like that but I don't think anyone fucks harder and with no mercy like Woodman, he even blows Rocco away. I wish Woodman would start his own serie instead of just one scene in each Casting X tape. Some people may not like Woodman but they can deny the great movies he makes! [Link] |
| Wally Senior Member 1821 Posts 8/01 | Posted - Jun 4 2003 : 3:06PM [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jun 4 2003 : 3:11PM [Link] |
| Wally Senior Member 1821 Posts 8/01 | Posted - Jun 4 2003 : 3:24PM [Link] |
| Wally Senior Member 1821 Posts 8/01 | Posted - Jun 4 2003 : 3:33PM Edited by - wally on 6/4/2003 3:41:02 PM [Link] |
| shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Jun 4 2003 : 4:51PM Rapeists must be punished severely by the law. But whoever delivers us porn consumers girl after girl of Woodman-talent-scouting quality without forcing them nothing should be sure of our gratitude. (Me, I already put 300$ aside to order a big packet of Hustler dvds) [Link] |
| Cyberchicken Member 900 Posts 4/02 | Posted - Jun 5 2003 : 1:12AM Are they all filmed in Eastern Europe, and which one had a girl drink from a condom? CC [Link] |
| Sbando Boy Euro Babe Magnet 1839 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jun 5 2003 : 3:45PM The video I mentioned is Private Castings 45 and the girl is the red-head on the cover. Judging by this thread, I'd say that 95% of the girls is from Eastern Europe and, if I remember correctly, that could be a turn-off for you. Just to set the record straight. [Link] |
| carioca Member 401 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jun 6 2003 : 2:55AM Luke Ford :"I interviewed Pierre's rival at Private, Frank Thring, 2/17/00. Frank: "Pierre likes to control the scene and everybody in the scene. A criticism of Pierre Woodman movies is that they look beautiful but the sex is cold. I like to be an uncle figure to the girls and to my team. And I like to think that they are happy doing the sex, and I think that sometimes comes over... "In my 18-year career, I only had one girl who cried on camera. And I stopped the scene. She also came from Pierre Woodman. I was very unhappy that she seemed uncomfortable. "For a time Pierre used girls from Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania. They claim to be Russian. His wife [Tanya Russoff] claims to be Russian but she's not. She's Lithuanian. Pierre had two agencies up there that worked with him and they were basically fashion agencies, which was why the girls were so beautiful. What he tended to do was to take them to places like Bali, and then, when they were there, he'd say, 'I can't do much fashion work with you. But we have a movie to shoot, and I think you better do it, because how are you going to get home otherwise?' So they would do the scenes. That's a kind of coercion and I'm not into that. "But many of them enjoyed the work and they certainly enjoyed the money. But there was this one particular girl who'd gone on the Bali movie that he did. And then she was encouraged to come down to Cannes for the film festival. She was told it was just for publicity. She came down and was told that while she was there she had to do at least one sex scene. Pierre had shot her and they [Private] wanted me to use her. She cried as soon as the scene started and I stopped it because I couldn't handle it. It made me uncomfortable but he seems to be able to cope with that. "His latest thing is to advertise in Eastern Europe for girls to come to Paris for fashion work. And he picks out the really pretty ones. And they end up in Paris. And he says, 'You're beautiful and I'd love to shoot you, but you're not quite tall enough for fashion. However, I do have this X-rated stuff to do and it pays very good, and would you like to do that?' And eight out of ten say yes. Then they go do it and take the consequence and take the money. And the ones who say no are allowed to go home. There is no coercion in that case. "But it is a cunning way of doing it. I'd much prefer to go straight to an agent who specializes in X-rated and say 'Do you have any new girls?' I do not want a girl turning up and feeling uncomfortable around my set. It doesn't seem to worry him. And that way he's managed to find some stunning girls who are exclusive to him. I just don't think it is a good practice. "His other thing of course is his famous method of getting them ready for a scene, which a lot of girls object to... Some girls walk off the set. He uses this special cream he gets in France which numbs the asshole, thus he feels he gets a better anal scene because they can take a good pounding. He believes it is more comfortable for the girls and it gives him 30 minutes to work his fingers up their ass. I don't have the time for that. I'm no angel. I've done the odd blowjob scene and a very occassional sex scene in my films and I also date the girls occassionally. But they don't have to fuck me to work with me. And they don't have to have my fingers up their ass for 30 minutes just to work with me. And with him they most certainly do. Of course, his Casting Call series shows this well. "I am possibly his biggest fan of his movies and especially of his stills. I really like his photo stills for Private photo magazine over the years... However as a human being, I think he's the biggest piece of shit on the face of the planet. Our rivalry is legendary. I don't think he'd say the same thing about me when it comes to movies because he's so arrogant. "Since The Pyramid, I think he has gone downhill fast. And I was not the biggest fan of Tatianna. "Pierre is going to be shooting a lot for Hustler and stopping work for Private over the next two years. And his exact words to me at the show in Las Vegas was that 'Private are a bunch of shits.'" Luke: "What happened?" Frank: "Because slowly he has been given less and less work and smaller and smaller budgets. Indeed, this has been a new policy of Private, to reduce budgets and see where the wastage was. Because I think Mr. Woodman has made himself rich on the back of Private. And he'd reached a point where he was paid per photo set. According to how many he delivered. Of course to Pierre it was an advantage to deliver 60 photo sets and get paid a $250,000 rather than deliver two or three... He'd be constantly told, 'We don't need more than five,' and he'd constantly come back with twenty. Partly because he's a workaholic... He was becoming the Pierre Woodman company and they disliked that intensely and they slowly managed to weed him out of that. He of course has missed making so much money and is delighted to have done a deal with Hustler to shoot stills and video for them. This in turn has upset Berthe Milton very much. Because Pierre is under contract..."reviewed of David-J hereDidn't I see this, but does sell the screenshots here should be of the finish pic, Maggie? It would like so much that it was Black Widow, but I find not to be her.. [Link] |
| shameless Deactivated User Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Jun 6 2003 : 3:51AM Now, I cannot see anything wrong with cited new practice of Woodman. Every girl interested in modelling exactly knows that she needs to be 177 cm tall to be a fashion model. If she is less and still travels to Paris its her stupidity. Unless, she wants to do any job offered. And this seems the case with 80% of the girls. [Link] |
| David X Member 128 Posts 5/02 | Posted - Jun 7 2003 : 9:42AM To SbandoBoy: do you suppose Thring was the source for the "cliff" slander as well? Pleasant fellow, this Thring: so considerate of the girls (whose boots he likes to lick) and showing such camaraderie for his fellow pornographers. [Link] |
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