Woodman didn't take anyone's place. Milton was already impressed by his casting videos and by the quality of the women in Woodman's magazine layouts. So Milton sent PW (who was a photographer, and not a director) with Ricaud to the Seychelles, as his assistant, so that he could learn how to do videos.
This is said and repeated dozens of times in European magazines, but that will never make Luke's little story disappear.

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Anyway, the real controversy of Woodman and Hustler is that this ace Private director is working for Flynt at all. I'm glad that he keeps a foot in the door with this casting series. Who knows, in a couple years (after his contract expires) he might be back at Private, taking them to heights exceeding the Pyramid and Tatiana days. Pretty to think so.

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1. the casting series began with private & is now with hustler?
2. what is his nationality?
3. has anyone here worked with woodman?

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BUT initially I did not want (and still do not) want to discuss his highly controversial Private Castings-series, I just wanted to make sure, he gets his incredibly beautiful and anal-friendly girls in a fair way nowadays.
As this seems the case, my <case> is resolved and I can go on to enjoy the steady influx of new girls he provides. More, he is exactly what our Russian girls need: A promotor of their beauty and willingness to perform all dirty acts on film for money in West. And sure: he shall get some money for his great work, too.
A few Hustlers I ordered have arrived just yesterday night, so I dont want to waste time discussing about Woodman here, I'd better turn on my new dvds and enjoy my wood...

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Edited by - joey starr on 6/12/2003 7:38:57 AM

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Yeah, I know you told me to shut up.

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Judith Fox and Mia Stone both dislike Woodman. He has no respect for the girls, and only cares about himself.

Yes, there is an element of truth in his methods. He lures girls into thinking it's only a nude photo shoot. I haven't seen any of his castings series, but I'm sure there is a lot of editing.

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Woodmans style of anal-izing the girls is a story apart. Still, please remember that the girls agreed on their free will to fuck with Woodman. If he really records his fucking with a hidden camera (and afterwards even releases that), this is unfair. BUT, I stated it before: This tread is not ment to discuss his Castings series.

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I feel queasy.

In France, about a year ago, I saw a '60 minutes'-like show on pornography. A lot of the report was devoted to Pierre Woodman. They showed pictures of him at the police academy. He used to be a cop, but he was suspended-- fired. Because he used his authority as a cop to get sexual favors from young women. I don't know if he used physical or psychological pressure, blackmail or what, but he did force them to have sex with him... i.e. RAPE .

I watched a few of his movies and found most of his stuff to be sexually uninspired. Just plain cold. Yet I must admit that when I read some of you guys describing the dirty realism of his castings I felt excited. By the true evil of it. I wanted to check them out...

But I'll try not to... Maybe what Woodman does with porn does not fall outside of what the current law allows. Does it make it right? Porn is a real moral conundrum to me. I accept it and enjoy it that way. But maybe there's a line that shouldn't be crossed, even when a girl does end up saying 'yes'. These Eastern-European girls are often vulnerable financially, culturally, intellectually, whatever... How much can you take advantage of that?

I believe you can find beautiful women who'll have wall-to-wall sex on camera without having to resort to lies, deceit, deception (however subtle Woodman may be with those).

I've got close to 500 adult DVDs, and many of them feature the gaping assholes of marvelous Eastern girls. But now, after seeing that show, after reading what you guys wrote, I say no to Woodman . He's one fellow Frenchman really worth boycotting.

Whatever your viewpoint on that issue, I'm glad many of us are concerned with that stuff. We're the consumers, the hardcore fans. We can put pressure on the industry not to employ psychopathic criminals like Monsieur Pierre Woodman.

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A lot of people seem to agree that he's one of the best porn directors around, but am I the only one who actually likes the guy?

I'd be very interested to know the contents of that French TV show, from a sane man.

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Back to Woodman to me he doesn't really come across as a "good man" but rather as pretty creepy...

But I have a large number of DVDs directed by him, he made some fabulous movies and can be a great director, with a great talent for framing (maybe his photographer's background helps).

Edited by - joey starr on 6/14/2003 8:08:37 AM

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It's true she says repeatedly that she only wants to do 'soft' photos, BUT, she comes back for a second casting 5 months after the first, and she then knows exactly what Woodman does, because she has seen his photos in the first casting. She also says that she has been to a casting with 'Christopher' (Clark?) who offered her a lot of money to do porn, which she refused. It looks very much as if she is just bidding up the price. When she finally gets down to the sex with Woodman, she looks happy enough.

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No, I'm not in the business, but have met several Hungarian girls via their agents for a bit of fun.

Judith told me she met Woomdman, and was offered porno work, but turned it down. 10 months later, after breaking up with her boyfriend, she returned to do a shoot with him. They then went to Ibiza (I think) and did some work there.

Both her and Mia Stone think he is only interested in himself, and is a bit fucked up with too much porn constantly in his head. Woodman used to have a team, make-up artists etc, but most have left now.

There probably isn't anything new that I've said here. Mia Stone did tell me something, but I'd rather not comment, unless it's already public knowledge. Does anyone know what happened after her first meeting with Woodman?

I may be seeing Sunny Blue in the future.

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If you feel you shouldn't comment, then I think it's best left unsaid.

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I can hardly understand your and shameless' sensitivity on the subject. It's rather funny: let me unlock my 500+ DVD collection, every penny of which went into pockets of porn makers+distributors, put a disk into the player, grab a remote with one hand, my cock with the other, and start worrying about the girl's fate .
That is the most Politically Cute fucking idea I've heard in years!
While I appreciate other guy's research into Woodman's past and starlet's opinions, I find your concern with "morality" in all this completely laughable!

You can watch porn, or you can watch sissy movies off TV. But watch porn that was shot with entirely "moral" way of casting is DUMB! You simply physically CAN NOT go over every girl's life story, look for drama and decide on whether to watch it or not. It's a pathetic approach to things - may as well quit porn all together, not to shake some highly moral foundation in your life.

Isn't it simple, and universal: Q. Would you fuck for money on camera? A. Yes or No.
I know, there are MANY reasons to asnwer this or that way. I KNOW, various countries with various economy levels make these decisions look like luring and baiting the prey. But don't you know any girls that SURVIVED in every one of those countries WITHOUT doing porn? How about MOST of them! Then why the hell do we have to wash through the dirty underwear of the ones who decided to go this way?

Oh, well. for the conversation sake, it's kinda even fun to see some amusing EuroSensibility X.

---what do you mean, why... listen, i have a pusle, damn it! ---

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Have you ever been to the countries where Woodman's girls come from - especially the one's with lower living standards (for instance the Ukraine)?
A "no" would qualify your answer.

C.G.

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Edited by - Shameless on 7/6/2003 9:28:38 AM

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In the European Version of Superfuckers 20 there's an XXXtra about Woodman, how his grandfather influenced him and also about how many girls come from agents and how many of them he has actually fucked.

He once again says that some of the girls only come for nude foto shooting but then the all too obvious question remains: do they bring an hiv test for a foto shooting?

Sbando already explained to me his view of the things but I'd somehow love to get an explanation from an industry insider.

C.G.

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All in all I am glad American producers come over to Europa at all. They sure bring our girls a lot of new opportunites. Without US-producers support some of them would nver get the chance to visit USA and work there.

Edited by - Shameless on 7/8/2003 2:31:56 PM

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While I am being deeply amused by your care for the girls, by your admiration of their free spirit, gorgeous body, willingness to live better, etc. I am simply reminding you - the only reason we even know their faces, is because they have assholes, which are available to be used for the right price, while the camera is rolling.
So, while your concern is doubtlessly shattering internet traffic around AdultDVD Talk - it also plays ABSOLUTELY NO role in the real world. Maybe you'll get some 3 liberal puppies stop buying Woodman DVDs - boo-hoo! how very impressive. Maybe, you'll even go to Vegas to some convention where woodman hangs out and make an ugly face, show a cute little banner and whatnot. The point of my reply to you - so fucking what!
You, you, you and I are nothing else but Pirates Of Remote Controls. We push no other buttons in this world, but FF and Stop after we cream the napkin. Getting political in this business is just as pointless and silly as getting political in ballet, sports, poetry and scuba-diving.
We could talk about low salaries of Russian Hockey Players - hot sucking shit!
It is porn, buddy - have you ever bothered thinking what this implies??? Do you have any idea how many girls were scarred, abused, molested, raped before, while and after they joined the industry?
Do you know, how many of them are infected by AIDS, Hep-C, Herpies, and 962 other STDs, while you are watching them being used as fuckmeat that you pay for?
If you don't like any of this - be my guest - quit watching porn and rent some Tom Hanks movies.
Personally - I watch porn for what it shows me - fuckmeat. And don't tell me, I don't respect women - I live with one for over a decade and still crazy about her. I do, however, know and separate door-mats and house-plants from women.

Mr. Woodman - I would like to take this opportunity and THANK YOU for the outstanding job - casting such beautiful and agreeable talent from Eastern Europe and Former Soviet Union! Not only you have raised the bar in the standards of adult cinema, you also showed the Western World where fresh horizons of this business lie. Most importantly, you have satisfied my personal hunger for seeing young gorgeous meat being fondled, stretched, penetrated, and drenched in cum. (May I recommend some more stretching and gaping, by the way?). I wish you all the best, Master - your product will always sell, be asured of that. As a personal wish, may I recommend joining forces with Max Hardcore series and making these gorgeous creatures truly meet the toilet and some new treatment with additonal spice? Oh, and more gag reflex adventures for some of my dear friends, who practice similar ideas in the real life, on the similar subjects. merci beaucoup!

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No, I am NOT the person, who you're comparing me to.
And I apologize if I offended anyone - we are just guys talking here, not punching each other in the stomach.
My posts were comments about your sensitivity, which is quite common for an Eastern European person - believe me, I know. I think, this sensitivity doesn't exist in such overwhelming quantities in the Western World, which I applaud - it's much easier to breathe here.
You surely have a right to be concerned with anything you feel is worth your time. I believe, I have a right to remind you of other areas, deserving no less concern than this, OR - areas, where consumer's concern plays little-to-none role. And that is my sole point.
Best regards to you and the french member, I cannot remember nickname of - who I mentioned earlier.

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Let me repeat: I want my porn, I buy escort girl services regularely, I like capitalism, BUT these girls are NOT just fuckmeat!

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