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Bandit One
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No Place That Far
612 Posts
9/02
Posted - Sep 19 2002 : 7:45PM
Would/Could anyone possibly know where I could get a "good" copy of the Flesh Hunter 2 DVD? I seem to be cursed in that I've purchased four discs, from three different on-line retailers, that were all apparently from that troubled first run of that title. The problems I've had with the disc are the same as discussed on another thread here; all during the Jeannie Rivers scene.
I've heard that Evil Angel was really cool about recalling as many as possible and sending out a second wave of good copies, but after returning the disc four times, I'm not really interested in returning another one.
I would greatly appreciate any kind of help.
Thanks, MidnightMax
tricia_devereaux
Evil Angel DVD

Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous?
4283 Posts
4/00
Posted - Sep 19 2002 : 7:59PM
Max-
Sorry for all the problems.

Send the disc directly to me, and we'll send you a new replacement copy.

Send me an email and I'll give you a shipping address.

triciadevereaux@aol.com

M.B.
Senior Member

1679 Posts
2/01
Posted - Sep 19 2002 : 8:07PM
I bought one last week that turned out to be bad as well. What I find strange about this situation is that the store I bought it from got their copies of this movie a long time after the recall happened. They also tell me that they get their dvds "directly from Evil Angel" and not through a distributor (whether this is true or not I have no idea, so I won't claim this to be a fact).
I'm not accusing anyone of sending out bad discs intentionally because I have no idea how the distribution system works for this kind of thing, but it seems a little fishy to me that when the dvd first came out everyone had a problem, then after a while everyone was getting good discs (the new run), now all of a sudden the bad ones are popping up again and can't seem to find a good one.

Just an observation

rieekan333
Member

388 Posts
3/02
Posted - Sep 19 2002 : 8:55PM
Owners of Flesh Hunter 2 should be careful in determining whether their copy is from the first or second production runs. It appears that confusion is resulting from the exact nature of the disc problems, which in turn is creating problems for everyone.

The First Run:
The first run suffered from considerable problems - complete lack of playability in some instances, disc noises, disruption of picture, stopping before the end of the movie, etc. Read these threads for better descriptions:
Anyone else has problems with Flesh Hunter 2?
please list good/bad playback with Flesh Hunter 2

When the situation became known to Evil Angel, it was handled excellently and the first run was cancelled and retailers mostly stopped carrying them: EVIL ANGEL disc problems

The Second Run:
A second run was produced and distributed for sale. The problems of the first run were corrected and I assume anyone who bought FH2 recently received a copy from the revised second run. If your copy does not suffer from the considerable problems that plagued the first run, it is probably from the revised second run.

Recent Issues:
Confusion is arising because of reported problems in the Jeanie Rivers scene. On my player, the scene degrades during chapters 32 & 33, losing synchronisation and stuttering. If I leave it alone, it eventually recovers. This problem seems to be related to a layer change in the DVD (which is probably difficult on-the-fly) and is apparently not related to the first run problems.

Check your Copy:
Check if you are experiencing problems with the DVD in any other scenes (some people have reported problems in the Jenna and Alexa scenes for instance), or the menus, picture quality, etc. If you are not experiencing such problems, then your copy is probably from the second batch and problems with the Jeanie Rivers scene are most likely unrelated to the first batch.

Replacing the DVD is therefore unlikely to make any difference.

It is possible that there are people with problematic first run discs out there, but I think there is a vast amount of confusion arising from the Jeanie Rivers scene on the second batch. The first time I watched my disc I didn't know whether I had a first or second run copy.

But since it plays fine in every other respect and I didn't experience any of the problems other people reported, I concluded that it is from the second run. Although there are slight problems with Jeanie's scene, I doubt replacing the DVD will change that.

Edited by - rieekan333 on Sep 19 2002

BIGmike
B-I-G-m-i-k-e

2335 Posts
3/01
Posted - Sep 19 2002 : 9:52PM
I'll have to go and rewatch the DVD, I haven't had time to really "watch" it. (I can ass-u-me you all know what I mean by "watch".)

But I know that when I reviewed it, it didn't play in any of my players until I cleaned it and tried it in my DVD-ROM drive. It played.

I did a scan through of the DVD when I got the exchanged copy, no problems.

I have several other DVDs currently awaiting me "watching" them.

But my copy worked fine when I first got the exchanged copy, and I have no reason to doubt that that has changed.

---Let freedom ring with the shotgun blast! ---

 
rieekan333
Member

388 Posts
3/02
Posted - Sep 19 2002 : 10:06PM
BIGm, can you report on any problems with the Jeanie Rivers scene on your replacement copy?
Planet Sex
Deactivated User

1951 Posts
6/01
Posted - Sep 19 2002 : 10:06PM
When a batch of DVDs comes with factory/authoring problems, my suggestion is to trade it for another, DIFFERENT title, and then purchase the disc you originally wanted when you read reports that a new, corrected issue is available.

Unless it´s an Evil Angel movie, of course. In Tricia you can trust.

.....
Keep On Fuckin´

rieekan333
Member

388 Posts
3/02
Posted - Sep 19 2002 : 10:12PM
Planet, a new corrected issue is available However, I think a lot of people (possibly including myself) are confused about which version they have.

Edited by - rieekan333 on Sep 19 2002

BIGmike
B-I-G-m-i-k-e

2335 Posts
3/01
Posted - Sep 19 2002 : 10:13PM
BIGm, can you report on any problems with the Jeanie Rivers scene on your replacement copy?

I most certainly can not, just kidding.

I will "watch" that tonight and see if there are any problems, it will be on my Zenith, since my indestructable Philips is in another room, but I will report back.

It may be a while, 1) "watching" it may require lots of sticky situations and tissues. 2) I am going away on Friday afternoon, won't be back until Sunday night. 3) I will have to re"watch" the title, you know to make sure.

lol

But I will definitely look into it...

---Let freedom ring with the shotgun blast! ---

Planet Sex
Deactivated User

1951 Posts
6/01
Posted - Sep 19 2002 : 10:16PM
Meesa know it. But I´m not talking SPECIFICALLY about Flesh Hunger 2. That´s the modus operandi when I order a product from some company that doesn´t give a shitty crap about the buyers, and that´s NOT the case of EA (I mean, the AMERICAN Evil Angel - I wouldn´t vouch for the brazilian one!)

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Keep On Fuckin´

Laszlo
Member

153 Posts
4/01
Posted - Sep 19 2002 : 10:51PM
just as an addendum to rieekan's thorough post.

For those wondering which batch they own;

It might be helpful to post any info you have regarding the original shipping date. For instance, in my case I purchased a copy of FH2 from a Tower records retailer that had a sticker with "0702" on it. This is most likely from the second batch/run since it's problem-free on my Panasonic and is long after the initial run (late-March, early April).

I had no idea this disc has been available since March, so more than likely there have been several production runs already. If more people post what date they purchased it (or what date it was shipped to the retailer-if possible) that might indicate whether or not there's a possible batch problem. Tricia and co. have been very helpful on this board to remedy the situation.


Edited by - Laszlo on Sep 19 2002

DenverDon
Benevolent

Firmly Embedded in Depravity
5914 Posts
7/02
Posted - Sep 19 2002 : 11:14PM
Geez you guys. Knowing that this is at least the third thread regarding FH2, you forced me to dig out my copy, because I couldn't recall having any difficulties with the disc.

Guess I got lucky for once! My copy played with NO problems. I know that's not what you wanted to hear, but there it is.

My question though, for those that are having difficulties, is there any way to tell (from the cover for example) that what you are getting is the second run that has been corrected? Did they change the cover slick, or put a sticker on it, or anything?

DenverDon

Wally
Senior Member

1821 Posts
8/01
Posted - Sep 19 2002 : 11:27PM
Midnightmax before you do anything try this: Wipe the Disc from the center outwards with a slightly moistened (water) soft cloth and finish with a dry clothes (do it 3 times) and then try the disk in your DVD player again, (you should see a difference). ..It worked for me.
Laszlo
Member

153 Posts
4/01
Posted - Sep 20 2002 : 12:08AM
Unless you purchased it from a retailer that has dated price-stickers (as I have)....I guess not. There was talk about changing the colored dots on the discs but that plan fell through.

Just be glad to be the owner of a problem-free FH2 DVD. I know I am (not rubbing it in).

Asmodeus
Lord of Lust

az-mo-day-us
6338 Posts
10/01
Posted - Sep 20 2002 : 12:24AM
I was also very fortunate to have bought FH2 and not have any problems with it and I got the DVD around the time it was originally released. As a matter of fact, I don't think I've ever had trouble with any EVIL ANGEL discs that I can remember and I have well over 50 of them...

Edited by - Asmodeus on Sep 20 2002

 
BIGmike
B-I-G-m-i-k-e

2335 Posts
3/01
Posted - Sep 20 2002 : 6:03AM
My exchanged copy played fine and I've had it for quite a while, too.

---Let freedom ring with the shotgun blast! ---

rieekan333
Member

388 Posts
3/02
Posted - Sep 20 2002 : 6:39AM
Of course I could be wrong, it's a knack of mine. However, I don't think there's enough conclusive information yet.

If MidnightMax could report on whether or not he encounters problems with the copy that Tricia sends out, I think we'll have a definitive answer.

I'm still inclined to believe my copy is from the revised second run. It is problem-free except for Ch32&33 and even then it plays through the scene. I doubt replacing the DVD will change that and it's too much effort from Australia given how the problem isn't very bad at all.

M.B.
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1679 Posts
2/01
Posted - Sep 20 2002 : 1:05PM
--rieekan333--

The copy I sent back also was breaking up in the same chapters you mentioned 33-34, around the 1:33:00-1:34:00 portion of the movie. There is a slight pause during the layer change, but this is not the problem, it's maybe half a minute later that the screen breaks up and freezes.
I'm awaiting word on whether the stores entire stock is like this. If this IS the second run of supposidly "good discs" how could they possibly release two separate runs of bad discs that both had problems, especially after the first batch.
Quality control should be priority #1 when it comes to dvds. It's not like the old days where you pop a tape in 30 vcrs and press record. A bad batch of discs can quite possibly put a small company out of business nowadays.
Porn companies should be a little more careful with what they release. I mean, somebody somewhere had to approve this and give it the okay, unless of course dvds are a strange animal in which let's say half a run of discs can turn out bad. Just wondering, as I don't know very much about the process of making and pressing these..

Planet Sex
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6/01
Posted - Sep 20 2002 : 2:07PM
That´s a batch problem. Even titles by big companies like Columbia and Warner suffer from that.

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Keep On Fuckin´

Pornmaster Mike
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1462 Posts
8/02
Posted - Sep 20 2002 : 4:26PM
M.B.,

I just checked two of our copies out. We (Adult DV-Depot) buy direct from Evil Angel. We never got any copies of the original pressing of Flesh Hunter 2 so we have only ever carried the second pressing discs.

Disc #1 played flawlessly, so I was confused as to how people were reporting faulty Flesh Hunter 2 DVDs.

However, Disc #2 started to break-up/pause/choppy at the end of 1:32 mark, and continued to do so until 1:34. This continued on and off until the end of the scene. Even the popshot was choppy.

The rest of the disc seems to play fine.

I've emailed Tricia about this so hopefully she can shed some light on this situation.

- Pornmaster Mike

aybesea
Senior Member

Caroline Cage - Hungarian Hottie!
1485 Posts
5/02
Posted - Sep 20 2002 : 4:40PM
That is curious indeed. It tends to point to some sort of disc problem rather than a data problem. I assume that you played both of these discs in the same player, and also that these both come from the same run (which they should have since you ordered them from EA at the same time). This is potentially a big QA issue rather than a mastering flaw.
Planet Sex
Deactivated User

1951 Posts
6/01
Posted - Sep 20 2002 : 4:49PM
If the image breaks up in one copy, but appears normal in another copy of the same movie but from a diff batch, it´s a replication problem.

If the image remains choppy all along, it´s a mastering problem.

Different players deal differently with faulty data.
Some just pixelate for some seconds and go back to normal once they pass thru the flawled part.
Some skip the faulty part and jump to the next scene, or to the un-faulty section of the disk.
And others just freeze.

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Keep On Fuckin´

Edited by - Planet Sex on Sep 20 2002

Pornmaster Mike
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32DDD
1462 Posts
8/02
Posted - Sep 20 2002 : 6:08PM
i got in touch with Tricia @ EA and she said:

"We're investigating it on our end with the replicator. They had indicated initially that they destroyed the original stampers from the original really bad batch once we found the problem. However, we are in the process of getting a confirmation about that."

- Pornmaster Mike

tricia_devereaux
Evil Angel DVD

Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous?
4283 Posts
4/00
Posted - Sep 20 2002 : 6:21PM
We've been experiencing a similar situation to what Mike from Adult DV-Depot has described.
Because of the problems that had happened with FH2, we were especially careful when we put out the new batch. That was in March.
In May, we did a reorder of the new version, and started selling those copies at the end of May. I have received a total of 4 complaints about Flesh Hunter 2 in the past 3 months.
On that very first batch, MANY copies of Flesh Hunter 2 worked in all of our players here. Some copies worked in some players but not others, and some copies didn't work in any of our players.
However, on the March batch, we tried about 20 random discs on at least one of our players, and at least 5 of those on at least 3 different players. We found nothing more than a reasonable layer change pause with no breakup.
For the May batch, we tried 3 or 4 random discs on 2 - 3 players each. Again, no breakups.

For that initial batch that we recalled, the explanation that I received from the replication company was that when they ran the QC on the discs, many of the check things like ridge specs, disc thickness, jitter, etc... were at the upper limits, but were within the standards, so they approved the discs. However, they believe now that if many of those standards were all at the upper limits, put together, they may have caused the discs to be faulty on players that have a higher sensitivity. And because it's so precise, some of the discs may be just over what the players can handle, and others may be OK.
Since those issues are above me, I can only accept their word and do as much QC here as I can.

MB - Of course my offer to Max also applies to you. You can send in your copy of Flesh Hunter 2 directly to Evil Angel and we'll send you one of our copies.

For Max and MB - please let all of us know if the new copies are OK. If need be, we can do another run and keep those copies as exchange ones for people who have more sensitive DVD players. We only have a couple hundred left of the May run, and considering that we've sold over a thousand and only 4 complaints, that's not really that high a percentage, I guess (even though Max has had 4 copies himself, it may be because he has a really good player that's really sensitive. I forgot to ask him what type of player he has.)

rieekan333
Member

388 Posts
3/02
Posted - Sep 20 2002 : 8:06PM
Thanks for the information Tricia. Confusion gone
 
M.B.
Senior Member

1679 Posts
2/01
Posted - Sep 20 2002 : 9:12PM
Trica, thanks for the offer and the thorough explanation of the process you guys go through on these discs.
I sent my copy back to Mike at dv-depot.com and they have scanned through their remaining copies and have put aside a good one for me. As usual, the guys at the depot come through with great customer service. Thanks guys.
And thanks to Tricia for offering to exchange my disc, not too many other companioes would do that, most would just say send it back to where you bought it from.
PornManiac
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aka Steve K
325 Posts
7/02
Posted - Sep 20 2002 : 9:43PM
Just like Denverdon & Asmodeus...I feel very fortunate to have a good "playable" disc. Now I can't wait to see Ass Worship #3.
Pornmaster Mike
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32DDD
1462 Posts
8/02
Posted - Sep 20 2002 : 10:54PM
no problem MB - it's our duty to keep our customers happy!

thanks to Tricia and Evil Angel as well - I don't think I've ever heard of a company that will ship replacement discs straight to the customers

- Pornmaster Mike




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