What Have You Done To My Little Cable Boy? 2966 Posts 5/10
Posted - May 16 2023 : 9:12AM
What I find tricky - who are you suing and on what basis?
Porn doesn't have a governing body that does due diligence like the NFL. In the end, studios are contractually protected in such a way that they are not subject to any duty of care. As I said, I think it is difficult - but I have no knowledge of US law.
What I can't understand, though, is that there don't seem to be any lawsuits against the direct causer. Accusations have been made against various performers, sometimes several times - why not take any action?
^ Unless there's something I also don't understand about US law, I would think a performer could sue a studio for creating an unsafe work place because the knowingly hired performers who are abusers.
It would maybe go under labour laws and not necessarily criminal laws.
The challenge though is as you state, if no one sues people individually then it also becomes hard to take studios to court because they could always argue that the performer hasn't been found guilty of anything thus is not a known abuser un the eyes of the law and round and round she goes!
Where I live, if an employer hires someone on contract and that person harms someone or causes damages to property etc. both the entity doing the hiring and the person contracted can be held accountable under labour laws.
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Posted - May 16 2023 : 11:27AM
Most of these incidents of abuse are happening with small studios and with OnlyFan Content creators. I would say around 95% of all adult performers are not under contract and are looked at as independent contractors or something like that.
I think the issue is many of these "studios" are protected by the way in which they structure their business. None of the scenes we see are filmed by execs or people with hard connections to the corporate world of porn. They're filmed by independent contractors who have with very little oversight from the businesses that distribute their content. These directors rent the locations, hire the make up artists, editors, and performers themselves and then essentially sell the scenes to the companies that slap their name on them. I'm sort of afraid suing these bigger "studios" would be like someone trying to sue youtube for something that happened in a video someone uploaded.
These allegations are disgusting if true. The industry really needs to start being ore accountable, on set monitoring, safeguards and a safe and independent reporting system for victims.
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Posted - May 16 2023 : 2:02PM
Asking people to not buy and support abusive misogynist trash is self-righteousness? Ok, I'm cool with that. And calling abusive misogynist trash porn, abusive misogynist trash porn is bad? I don't think so, I'm calling it how I see it. Also, I posted a bunch of other solutions, that you so kindly just ignored.
What Have You Done To My Little Cable Boy? 2966 Posts 5/10
Posted - May 16 2023 : 2:16PM
Two cases that have attracted quite a bit of attention in recent years involved two fairly prominent actors who consistently shot for major studios. In the case of one name, it was only one studio that decided not to continue booking this person. Other studios continued to book him for years, although the accusations became louder and louder.
I agree with you that it would be an uphill battle but I'm wondering what case could be made if, to use your youtube example, youtube kept on putting videos that were harmful.
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Posted - May 16 2023 : 2:35PM
I think the truth is that you need either regulations or extralegal justice to keep people in line in a business like porn, and right now there is neither of those things. We can say what we want about porn as speech, and it is, but the males most likely to participate in it are going to be unscrupulous unless there are consequences.
Fans have ALOT to do with it. As much as the HeavenPOV dude wants to do what he is doing, equally or moreso, there are people who want to see him do it. Alot of porn is bullshit, from rape approximation (or actual rape, if you believe some of the women) to incest approximation (or real incest if you look at SEVERAL threads on this board) to pedo approximation.
Fans are responsible for the demand in a particular genre. But most don't have a clue what is going on behind the scenes. They surely don't expect non-consensual acts, abuse, rape, etc. Not even when they subscribe to a hardcore site.
I don't know if they don't have a clue, or just don't want to have a clue (or are even perfectly fine with it). The common line through many of the allegations against particular producers or particular male talent sure seems to be: A lot of the people who are interested in shooting abusive-looking porn actually are abusive assholes who are just being themselves when they shoot. Call me out for kink-shaming if you want, but I don't find it difficult to extend that line right through to the people interested in watching abusive-looking porn.
That being said, while I'd argue the fly-by-night assholes who are releasing solely through personal platforms (OF accounts, owned-and-operated websites) are the bigger problem because they can manage to fly under the radar in numerous amounts and for awfully long periods of time, they're of course not the only problem. Statements like those by Arietta Adams demonstrate that plenty of "established" industry members are just as questionable, and as long as the industry fails to do a convincing job to deal with them, there's no hope in hell the even more seedy underbelly of under the radar producers ever gets addressed in any sensible form.
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Posted - May 16 2023 : 5:11PM
^Meh. They are watching people who "enjoy" getting punched in the head.
I know for the most part the women of porn would not even be doing topless pics without the money involved and so to some degree we all pay (or pirate) to see people do things they wouldn't normally do. But some of this shit I've been hearing about the past couple days is very questionable, in terms of not just the producers, but the audience too. I knew there were people who "enjoy" shit-eating videos, but there is apparently so much more "looks like abuse content but totally isn't :) " content than I realized.
One thing I keep wondering because a lot of the stories come down to some performers being abused by producers/talent while others are stating they had a normal and even enjoyable shoot with the same people: Are these mentally unstable individuals who are capable of shooting a perfectly consensual scene one day but act completely unhinged the next, or are they calculating predators who are shooting consensual scenes merely to build up a reputation so they can later take advantage of people scrutinizing them less because they've "proven" themselves as upstanding members of the industry? I'm afraid the answer might be the latter in a great many cases.
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Posted - May 16 2023 : 10:04PM
Somewhat on topic for here but what's the deal with Owen Gray? Some performers have called him out for being problematic and fake but most of the allegations come off as petty, not saying I don't believe the women. It just all sound like minor shit
Part of the problem is that, even in the industry, victim blaming occurs. Kaitlyn Katsoros is a good example of this. She's into really rough stuff. That's her thing. No big deal. I don't judge what goes on between consenting adults. Where the problem comes in is when vanilla performers get booked into the mix. Using Kaitlyn above as an example, when info started to come out about Alex (HeavenPov) Kaitlyn was actually blaming the victims. She basically said, "You're a vanilla performer and you got booked by a guy who does rough/bdsm. What did you expect to happen?"
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Posted - Jun 1 2023 : 6:30PM
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Posted - Jun 2 2023 : 2:10AM
^^Guessing the below is what you meant to add
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Dude kinda revealed himself as a bit of an odd one with that bit about how gross pussy is a few months back. His girlfriend/wife/whatev is a performer too
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Posted - Jun 2 2023 : 11:56AM
Yep, Looks like Adam "scumbag "22 got his lawyers out and trying to bury this storyAdam22 story . I never liked this dude and always thought he looked like a scumbag. I always thought it was weird that he only had women on his podcast that would fuck him after his corny little interview, he also doesn't allow his wife to do scenes by herself or with other guys. The guy was a sexist pig and women were just performing with him for clout, the clout chasing by performers is crazy. Nothing will change because half this industry will keep doing scenes with people like him. And I also believe most performers don't really give fuck about the allegation of misbehavior and mistreatment of other performers. It's just how this industry is, everybody looks out for themselves, no real unity, and everybody is just really fake. I love porn and will always watch some of my favs. and support ethical studios but the industry as a whole is dead. Let's be real nobody wants to make good porn or piece of erotic art, people want to get paid and get the fuck out. Why? because we live in a capitalist citizen where making art in porn doesn't pay bills
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Posted - Jun 2 2023 : 1:54PM
^Dude, I don't even want art. 90% of the industry isn't even good at fucking, let alone all the other extra stuff that people involve in scenes to keep performers on set for like 12 hours.
I just want to see people who have been taken care of enough to feel super comfortable and carefree having really good sex on camera. What gets in the way of that is the stuff you said: basically a massive combination of sex predators, people who want to take advantage someone in other ways like gaining clout, and folks who think everything has to be a cut-throat rat-race, even though the demand for the product of porn is pretty much the highest that any industry could ever ask for, leaving room for just about everyone to make a buck if they work at it. The problems of porn really expose that humans are just kinda shitty lol. It really should be a fun job, aside from having to work with people you would never ever touch for real. And even that can be solved, to a degree, by producers making the effort to cast based on mutual appreciation, though it often can't be helped.
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Posted - Jun 2 2023 : 3:45PM
Porn doesn't expose humans being shitty, humans are and always have been shitty. Porn just added sex and money to "humans being shitty". Doing porn should be a fun job and would be a great way to just explore your sexuality and make money doing it. If you're looking to explore your sexuality go join a swingers or sm club and if you're looking to make money from sex work, just do escort work. Directors mostly hire men who can read lines and keep a hard-on. Porn stories basically just come from whatever trending on Pornhub, just like most of the sex acts. Some directors and studios care about following ethics and the quality of their porn but most are chasing trends. If people are buying it, why change? Adam 22 most likely had a huge following and everybody knew the guy was a scumbag. Why would any pornstar work with him? Because he had millions of followers and that pornstars fan base was most likely asked for her to work with him.
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Posted - Jun 2 2023 : 5:04PM
^Re humans: That's what I meant. Porn is theoretically a fun job, but humans gonna be humans.
Barring some kind of government oversight kind of thing, the big-name performers are going to have to learn to collectively ostracize people who don't know how to behave or nothing will change. I mean to the point where if you hurt one of the big names then you have hurt all of them. But they'll never get to that point. If only we taught the virtues of working together and unity in our society lol
I think one of the biggest issues is that for years the Industry has been profiting off the lie that the women are the stars and the guys are easily replaceable. And sure, on a financial level yes the female performers get paid more than their male counterparts for individual scenes. But on macro-level it's insane how much more job security the male performers have. There's a reason we've seen the same guys for the past 10-15 years. Pissing off female talent can ruin a director's scene but pissing off male talent can mean the end to a decade's long collaboration. Until we acknowledge how expendable women are to the industry it's going to be impossible for any kind of reformation.
Which industry-related people ever stated or even implied the second part? It certainly doesn't follow logically from the "women are stars" notion, whatever one may think of its veracity. If anything, it's porn fans who like to claim, against all the available evidence, that the guys are (or at least should be) easily replaceable. The furthest that porn insiders typically go is in describing the men as "props", which doesn't mean that they're dime a dozen, just that their job is to be functional.The inconvenient truth is that a large part of why women have been treated as expendable by mainstream porn is that so many of them wanted to be in it, at least since the DVD era (less so during the theatre and VHS days). It's supply outstripping demand, nothing more. Onlyfans might be changing the landscape here by shrinking the available talent pool for mainstream which, if mainstream porn doesn't die off altogether, may result in better working conditions being offered.
Of course, as the more recent revelations about abusive performers demonstrate, the grass isn't necessarily greener outside of mainstream.
What Have You Done To My Little Cable Boy? 2966 Posts 5/10
Posted - Jun 4 2023 : 2:33AM
I think these requests are a myth. I can imagine that big stars and sellers 15 years ago could reject male partners. Nowadays it's probably swim or sink. Boy and girl are booked and if the girl rejects the boy, there is no scene and no money.
The truth is she has been paid to do this broadcast. Since July 2022 this Britshit guy and his comparse Dan Leal have called all girls from european porn to ask if they could say something bad about me. After 1 year they only was able to find that Eva Berger. I have all prooves on my security camera that never she was forced in any way !!!
Now I wonder if Woodman just habitually searches the forum for his name three times a day, or if he was reading this thread already in anticipation of getting named eventually.
Sad you are here only to try destroy people image and not think a bit more before spread some people lies. Anyway not a big deal, after 34 years in porn as I record all I do in BTS constant, good luck to anyone to pretend I did something bad. yes this Eva went to this broadcast and say lies but why not to the police then ??? She lives in Paris it's easy ... Because her and all people trying play this game can only do what they do, using some internautes naives brain but no more. There are people in jail in France for 3 years now and it's a huge scandal with porn, the second french TV channel did an enquete and they said last september I was the most correct from all they found ... So yes it's easy to say what ever you want on forums, or social medias, but the truth is always made on court and for now NEVER any girl went to police against me in any country of the world, so shut the fuck up about me being and abusive man while I worked with thousands of girls and you have less than 20 bad comments about me from women on the net ( and mostly from girls who never even worked with me )
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Posted - Jun 21 2023 : 6:22AM
You can tell you're a hyper egotistical guy and there is many allegations towards you, so you're not going to prove anything since anybody with sense can see the issues.
In porn I agree with a poster up there, that there is always female enablers. Always abusers or predators get new girls to work with them. Desperation for money and drug addiction but some are just plain bad people. In New York where I live is a very shady pimpish STD spreader called davids angels and he works closely with chickpass and nj party group, they all do untested shoots, spread diseases, hire girls to work with criminals in sketchy motels...and still you'll get a well known girl like indigodances act as a recruiter for them because she cant manage finances and has no shame. That's just sadly how the industry is. Someone like Pierre is mild in comparison hence most girls will overlook his issues too.
There are various horror stories cited throughout that last thread. Here is one I just saw.
But there are dozens if you look around. So these are dangers to safety, they could easily spread AIDS, they rip girls off, they exploit desperate girls, there are sexual assaults there, coercion...and yet somehow the industry doesn't come together to get rid of clearly dangerous people and they're not big names, so it wouldn't be too difficult. So this is where the industry lets itself down
Pierre le but n'est pas d'avoir moins de 20 mauvais commentaires de femmes, le but c'est de ne pas en voir car on se comporte bien lors d'une scène.
Translated for the non-French speaker: The goal is not to have less than 20 bad comments from women, the goal is to not have any because someone has comported themselves well on a porn set.
LOL it's me who wrote it !!! It was a joke but of course some idiots were ready to believe it was real that the girl was asking for help !!! Do you really think if it was real it will be put online by any producer on the website ??? If so you're more than naive ...
I wish of course but sadly we are in a world where it's impossible !!! Just look how it is here, some people I don't even know hate me and wish bad things for me. There are girls like Lenina Crown that have never worked with me, That I have never did anything badto her who is writting regularly that I am a rapist on her Twitter. She even ask now since three year to all girls from the industry if they can report her any bad action I did ... for now she has ZERO answer on this !!! It's easy to say shit about people on social media and forums it's another to be on a court facing judge and say a lie about someone when he can proof you are a liar because my live is constantly recorded. In my car, in lift, in restaurant and of course on set. I also do 3 polices interviews with all girls and most of the time with witnesses around. I am very very very rarely alone when I am working and my make-up is always near by and say to all girls they can come to her if they have any problem. But the secutity camera is enough to keep the liars away from making real action but not from lies on the web unfortunately. Even you here, you can see I put a link about Eva Berger making an interview for a Russian media two years after her casting and telling I am a great guy but Rocco not. It should make you think " ok this girl is just a liar if 10 years later she says the opposite" but NO you are able because you hate me to say she is right. So there is no way to defend myself until people are so weak psychologicaly and not able to separate their personal feeling from the logic of what they see !!!
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Posted - Jun 22 2023 : 12:38PM
What kind of trolly dumbshit is that Pierre? Shit like this is why your stuff nowadays sucks. What happened to you, man? When you were doing stuff for studios like Private you were making erotic porn with beautiful mainstream pornstars, now you doing shit like this and making trash porn. Do you really make more money producing this crap you call porn? Crap like this is the reason why I rarely watch anything new nowadays.
In 1999 already, Private started say the films was weak in term of sales compared to my casting serie and asked me a "gonzo" line. I wasn't so happy to do it but I started "Superfuckers" then everyone knows after the arriavl of YouPorn and XNXX, Xvideos etc ... it was forst the end of the DVD's for porn industry and also the end of beautiful class movies for all REGULAR producers !!! So today you still have some people ( very few ) doing very class job, able to spend 20 K for a scene. Why ??? because they use it to clean up the dirty money from tubes that's all !!! Don't you think if I was able to produce film at 300 000 $ I will not prefer that than shoot in hotel room ??? but nowadays the planet has changed, even most girl don't want do scene taking the day or even pass half day to do comedy. Everyone is focus only on violence, quick money to make new tatoos and buy weed or cc. This is the 2023 porn and it's not me the responsable of this shit !!!
So to be clear yes I do money with my work because since 34 years I have been able to adapt myself to the time I live. To be sad, have regret, been nostalgic is not what my fans are waiting from me. They want new faces, fucked in the ass and having orgasm in all nasty way the girls enjoy to have !!!
If you don't like it, it's OK just don't look at it, but do not say I abuse anyone, I do ONLY what the girls want me to do and I can proove it with my security camera !!!
I hope it's clear. I will not continue speak with you here because I gave you my opinion and it's enough now.
Let this thread be use for the real women abusers. maybe you should be more focus on what a Prague company everyone knows here did to many girls, or more recently what happened in Sweden to Talia Mint assaulted in live : https://www.instagram.com/tv/CtZUTLRqi5d/?igshid=MjU0MmJhNzk3Ng%3D%3D
Apparently in New York there is a small network of human traffickers posing as agents preying on desperate or new girls in porn. This girl broke it down pretty well. Let girls in New York know so they can avoid
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Come on !!!
This guy Tommie Mc Donalds was an abuser he even confess himself he did a lot of thing he should never have done to women:
I met him once begining of 2017 when he was the partner of Harriet Sugar Cookie. She was so cute and did a selfie with me. I was happy for that and proposed her to come for an interview ( I knew she was only working with girl ) and then HE said it was out of question she could come to be cast by me. I was surprised and asked then why she did a selfie with me ??? The answer was very cold and strange " we want have a picture of you for our business" !!! Then few months later she contacted me and said they were preparing an article about my "sex assault" on Lana Rhoades. I explained her that first I was not there when she decided to leave Budapest and she bought a plane tickets for Paris the day before she pretend have a problem and that first she said on Twitter she left Budapest because there was no Vegan restaurant and no Uber. It's only the evening when I asked 7000 $ kill fee to her agent that she started say I was a monster etc ... Finaly Harriett and Tommie did not published their "article" about me... Then in 2020 after been a loser as director and been left by Harriett, Tommie became partner with Dan Leal and together they started produce their podcast with Kiara Lord. It was funny and cool at beginning but step by step started to be oriented against various people they did not like. One day they started speak about porn directors and Kiara Lord said: "Woodman is the best". Then Dan Leal was nearly having a stroke, and Tommie removed this part from their podcast but Kiara did not accepted that and forced Tommie to give her the original version. Then she gave it to me and I published the video extract here :
After that of course I knew I have two new ennemies in the town but did not care about. But last year in July various girls started to say they got phone calls from Tommie and Dan about how was the work with me and if they could come to their podcast say I was a women abuser. They obvioulsy did not succeed in their research ... but in december they found Eva Berger in Paris, totally broken financially, illegal in the country with an expired Schengen visa and in huge need of money. They managed something together and we all know know what it was. She came to cry on a 3 hours broadcast about been abused 9 years before at the casting. They tried to put my site down with this video, send to visa and mastercard the link + the interview they did with her. I have been obliged to show all papers and video consent and they said all was clear so authorised me to put back the video online ... If you listen her interview for Tommie, around 60 minutes she said : " My career after 2 years was starting go down and PIERRE WAS NOT GIVING ME JOB ANYMORE !!!" What an hilarious moment ... She comes to say I am an abuser but then complain not having more job from ME ... and also she did and interview in 2016 for a Russian media and said only very positive things about me like " Pierre is very much taking attention about the actress feeling asking all the time if all is OK etc ..."
Tommie Mc Donalds wrote on his Twitter that I rape girls using GHB, do anal sex because using cocaine ( all industry knows how I am anti cigaretts, alcohol, and drug. ) At the end of all my jobs I ask the women to confirm they wasn't under any pressure, drug, alcohol and the lubricant I used was a real lub without any anesthesic inside. But this man and his sponsor Dan Leal ( now himself working hand in hand with Xvideos boss who is far to be my friend too ) want my head on a pic a do all they can to try shut me down. They also targeted Rocco a bit but seems now they focus only on me ... They have even been able to pick my ex assistant Ricardo I fired in 2013 and been in jail for been a pimp , to ask him to say I was a bad guy. It's just insane ...
What is very interesting is the following : they pretend fight for women right, have a better porn world without violence etc ... Ok fine but then when a girl like Julia Red for instance ask for help he does ... NOTHING and even pretend he doesn't see what production it is while the girl tag the guy !!!
Also you can see a lot of spanish medias speaks about what happened to Selva Lapiedra in Sweden with Talia Mint but Tommie even after I mentionned it on my forum and Twitter do not say nothing about it until 2 days ago but forgot Selva ...
So you can easily understand Tommie and Dan Leal only try get in friendship with the Exodus Cry association, Metoo etc to put down people they don't like but never try make problems to the real abusers of this industry.
If you have a bit of brain and logic, it's important first of all to check what the WOMEN have to say about the people they are working with. How many bad comments about me from GIRLS having shoot for me can you read onthe net ??? 10 to 20 maybe ... did anyone said I raped her, assaulted her, did not paid her, is there anything like that ???
To have a security camera behind me preserve me from devils mind having worked with me but not from all jealous men of our industry and girls who don't even know me but can say horrible things just to pretend get any fame. I don't know if you remember but when Lana Rhoades put all her lies online many girls trying use her fame was supporting her and for instance Davina Davis said : " oh yes at the casting he tried rape me " ... bad luck for this girl I put the full footage from her entrance in my room to exit on my site :
So yes she was able to lie good and I was so happy show to the world what kind of snake she is. But what will happened to me if I could not ??? Who people will have trust ??? her of course as always because nowadays the women are always right in anything they say ... and when you have cowards like Tommie and Co ready to surf of this actual tendance to hurt the competitors business we all know until which level it can go !!!
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