Your predictions about how the industry is going to evolve in the decade : new and emerging trends that are going to change the porn landscape for better or for worse.
Surely, last decade was a lot different from the one before. Leave aside the rise of OnlyFans, even social media like Instagram and twitter were not so HUGE in the earlier decade (2000-2009). So there have been tremendous change in terms of how we even think of porn with the coming of last decade.
What are some things you are looking forward to this time around?
Being a natural pessimist I have more fears than hopes. My fear is that the march to platforms like OF and MV will continue. It makes sense for the performers but it's bad for us consumers.
The second trend that has be a bit concerned is whether we'll see a continued scaling back of downloadable files or whether we'll see a shift to streaming-only. I'm not opposed to a tiered subscription service where I have to pay an additional (reasonable) amount to download. I think that reflects that different subscribers want different things. If someone is looking for a quick hit and are really lookin just to 'get the job done' then streaming is fine. I'm more of a collector and the value for me is in downloading the scene.
(As an aside, I joined Reality Kings using a Black Friday offer. It was $7 for a month of streaming. I knew that going in and also knew that once inside the usual cost to add downloads is $15. I planned on taking that option. But the only downloading plan I can find now is $80 for a full year of downloads. But I only have a monthly subscription! This is definitely not a reasonable fee for downloads.)
I am not to optimistic about the 2020s i think that there is a lack of consistency by consistency i mean for example studios dont hire the female talent more than 2-3 scenes to build up the hired talent to be future bonafide legends since the departure of Lisa Ann there really hasn't been a face of the industry no passing of the torch moment to a up and coming new comer i do like Paige Owens and Emily Willis but i don't think the industry will give them a chance to super stardom.
I'm not affraight of Only Fans. I hate that service and it offers mostly solo video's
The customer wants scenes and interaction between people. As long as there is such a demand I am not concerned.
Only Fans only sucks because some pornstars that have made it in the industry can make a buck.
New pornstars need the old fashioned scenes to become 'famous' before heading for Only Fans.
And if we are lucky some of them both do only fans and scenes for porncompanies.
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Posted - Nov 30 2020 : 1:29PM
It's going in the direction of mostly average or above average looking women making customs and some professional porn. Hotter women will likely be up to other more lucrative ventures instead of porn and we will no longer see them.
No more April Flowers, Michelle B, Briana Banks, Jessica Jaymes, Samantha Ryan kinda women in porn any longer
Well said, lately Brett Rossi had the audacity to say regular shoot is such a waste of her time considering the pay. She makes so much through onlyfans she claimed. It was stupid of her to say something like that. The only reason anyone would spend a penny on her onlyfans is because of her mainstream success in porn.
Only Fans is fine, but we also need regular stuff coming in.
i agree even tube sites like pornhub you can no longer download regular videos it makes sense if its a pornstar/channel pay to download but regular videos should have downloads available if its uploaded by uncertified users, the big problem with Onlyfans is that you cannot even download videos that you purchased which pretty much sucks well not legally anyway plus the performers charge for $10-15 for a 5 min clip if onlyfans benefitted subscribers alongside performers it would work out well if they had download options for subscribers who purchased the scene it would be highly beneficial but i can see why from their perspective why the platform doesn't provide this its due to copyright infringement and illegal uploading to tube sites so the only way to watch them is whilst your subscribed or logged into OF, which is a shame some performers actually do have good content like Jax Slayher his camera quality is great which i can't really say for majority of OF performers, i do see great potential in Manyvids in the 2020s unlike the former Onlyfans if done right for example if they have all services provided active lets say for example Aria Kaide or Alex Coal even Paige Owens i can see this working out great to both fans and performers alike.
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Posted - Dec 1 2020 : 12:18PM
I have not much hope for variety or other rebirths.
For 1-2 years the same flat skinny girls will shoot with the same 2-3 guys. Then everything will move to platforms like manyvids or onlyfans and the dying of the big studios will begin. The girls will sell cheap short clips for inflated prices to lonely 50 year old virgins. At some point VR takes over and then there is no more need for porn girls.
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Posted - Dec 1 2020 : 1:09PM
lol so much truth, we can only hope that these pathetic dudes eventually go broke, but alas a new generation of simps will replace them anyway so were fucked regardless
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Posted - Dec 1 2020 : 1:42PM
^ I would go even further and say 30 year old lonely simps.
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Posted - Dec 1 2020 : 1:43PM
There was this guy who dropped 1G for simply video chatting with one of those cam models.
Wow dude now I thought kali roses was the cutest prettiest chick in porn but Maddy may is the most Gorgeous woman I've ever seen in a mike adriano production. I even thought lana rhoades was the prettiest at one point and melody marks and uma jolie definitely up there but this chick Maddy may takes the cake for me. Watching her suck on a big cock is just as good as the cow riding and doggy anal combined omg shes beautiful to look at! It's hard to say who the prettiest is when it comes to mike adriano production but Maddy may definitely one of the prettiest I've ever seen wow what a beautiful woman. Face like an angel to me so so pretty to look at. There are others but my top 5 is Maddy may 1 melody marks 2 kali roses 3 uma jolie 4 don't have a 5 yet as far as pretty is concerned. Very hard choice indeed but Maddy may gotta be on your top 10 list as prettiest as far as her latest scene with the other guy who does well in his scenes. And one of the underrated scenes is the one with Brooklyn gray and two other hotties where she snots out after deepthroating the guy again when she is on top on him in a swallowed scene wow that is the best part I've seen in any blowjob scene in mikes production period! Only other is the banana puke scene
All I can say is more brooklyn gray more brooklyn gray and more Maddy may! Brooklyn gray must've had a cold in that scene because that wasn't spit it was snot and it was the hottest thing I've ever seen and I don't even like snot in mikes scenes but I keep going back to that one! She devoured dudes cock and it was super super hot guys you gotta see that part wow it never gets tired trust me. And the snotting was very very organic not forced which makes it even hotter! Haven't seen anything hotter blowjob wise scene that swallowed scene. If you rushed through it you missed the best part imo. Brooklyn gray is the best deepthroater next to adriana
Boy we are doomed this decade no wonder female performers leave the industry so soon a perfect example is Dani Daniels i am happy that she is married now and met her soul mate so things have changed but there is no way she would have quit porn if not for sites like Onlyfans or Camsoda were she makes income way more than porn studios could ever provide her, it doesn't require any effort and fans are willing to pay a ridiculous amount to their favourite performers making OF the lucrative option for performers nullifying porn void, if that guy was smart he should have saved an additional $500 and got a custom boy/girl sex scene for up to 30 minutes + with the requested female model and male performer do a content trade 3 way so male/female models and investor have reseller rights so all parties win, i think the lack of studios not providing female performers a platform to standout has a role to play in the decline of an industry making them look elsewhere for example what is a talent like Jada Stevens sitting on the sidelines another prominent example Casey Calvert or Valentina Nappi great performers if i must say these girls should be headlining porn and featured regularily, What else is ruining porn in the 2020s in your opinion guys?
Edited by - MRLOVALOVA99 on 12/2/2020 4:35:44 PM
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Posted - Dec 2 2020 : 6:33PM
Another thing ruining porn is changes in societal normal and what is nowadays considered more acceptable compared to the past. Most of the "very hot girls" shoot a little porn just to gain that popularity, and once they have that popularity, the go on to do "other things" that are more financially lucrative than porn.
facts there my friend well spoked and agreed, the insanely hot girls tend to follow this trend, it has become a societal norm so to speak and very unlikely the performers will break out of this trend in the 2020s, which will as a result make the industry suffer this decade.
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Posted - Dec 3 2020 : 2:36PM
see this is acutally fine for people like me, i only want to watch a girl in one scene and that is good enough for me, unless she is taking a creampie or something in the new one (or the plot of the scene is really good, which lets be honest isnt usually the case), there is really no reason for me to view multiple scenes of the same girl (i would just rewatch the one scene whenever i fancied seeing that girl)
so the revolving door is a wonderful thing IMO
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Posted - Dec 3 2020 : 3:06PM
^ the new revolving door phenomenon is exactly why we don't have the same hot talent we had in the 1990s and 2000s. It's quite subpar these days to be honest. The only thing that gets me going is that porn has overall become more kinky, albeit with less attractive girls.
This decade can be something spectacle and memorable if websites create omg moments like how studios/production teams used to do previously in the past and sex appeal is a lost art in modern porn like what happened to all the sexy attires when male consumers would be like that looks soo hot I'm going to subscribe to a website or purchase that dvd, sex appeal is an essential aspect in porn as is fantasy another lost trait in porn like back then we would be captivated by seductive storylines prior to any sexual contact, next thing why is there no foreplay to build up sexual friction between performers prior to sex like there is no breast sucking anymore or hardly any french kissing at all heck even no eye contact, next up why is there no dirty talking between performers its sex they should work each other up by talking dirty but instead they don't say anything and are quiet, all these things are buzkills in modern porn if these things are reverted back to what made porn great i can see a remarkable 2020s decade if not porn as a whole will suffer.
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Posted - Jan 18 2021 : 4:34PM
Good points! I fully agree. Modern productions don't seem to care about building chemistry between performers. It has become quite rare. Every scene nowadays is a complete lackluster when compared to, let's say, a scene with Jewel DeNyle or Jenna Jameson paired with Peter North in the 90's.
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The change we're seeing at the moment is a resurrection of softcore pornography fueled by the new accessibility of very high resolution video and social media platforms like youtube and instagram now allowing non-nude softcore erotica. With ultraHD ASMR/bikini try-on/lingerie twerk videos models can now easily achieve levels of fame/popularity with the "porn audience" that they'd previously only have been able to after appearing on tv shows/movies or porn (publicity being one of the reasons many went into porn). The fact that high quality cameras are now accessible/common also means amateurs/self-shot productions don't need to be explicitly zoomed in on gynocologist perspectives to be able to show you some perceivable skin/erotic content, it no longer takes playboy/penthouse-level production costs to get some erotic but tasteful full body shots. Models are now capitalizing on teasing the viewers with non-nude content on social media to build up an individual model's fame, give her a high pseudo-celeb profile which can then command a high price for raunchier almost-nude to nude softcore content on sites like onlyfans, prices that they'd never be able to get if they hadn't first obtained a high profile teasing viewers on social media.
From 2002-2015 (the rise of broadband and HD porn) the softcore pornography genre -which up to that point had only existed as magazine pictorials and cheesecake movies- was practically dead. Even the amount of eroticism in mainstream movies was being dialed back under some pretense that sex didn't sell as much anymore because everyone now had access to free internet porn, gone were the days of movies like Basic Instinct, Showgirls or Striptease (I believe it had more to do with american moral/political shifts - see the giant backlash to janet jackson's nipple, rise of creationists/extremists etc) and also gone were magazines showing you nude celebs or girls next door like playboy.
I always felt it was a missed opportunity, the first time I get to see a woman naked is second only perhaps to the first time I get to see her fuck. IMO most chicks who enter the porn game getting fucked in every orifice from the getgo are selling themselves short and being set up to have burned out and shot out within the year.
Should also consider that a lot of porn models did porn not so much because the pay was particularly worth it but because it generated a lot of publicity for other businesses they had, but going forward having a nice social media presence can be just as effective for that - even moreso I suspect.
Aside from that, we're heading in for some terrible economical turmoil in the next years, if you want to guess how it's going to affect the industry going forward, you could look at how the 2008 financial crisis affected the porn industry (expensive productions like big orgy/party stuff got significantly cut back, less money being paid out to models->fewer new models willing to take the bait). The specifics of COVID however do mean that the side business a lot of models used to advertise for with social media is almost dead, so right now there are large numbers of "shy" models who wouldn't have done porn before but are trying to make some porn cash by showing and doing as little as possible on sites like OF, sticking to nudes or near-nudes. If the vaccines are any good then by the end of 2022 the side businesses should have recovered enough to change this.
VR porn is growing a lot. Size matters when it comes to tricking your brain that it's seeing a real woman. Not everyone can afford TVs large enough to display life-sized women, VR is cheaper for that.
We're also seeing huge advances in 3D graphics. When most think of "when will computer-drawn people be good enough" they are thinking of when pictures/videos of computer-drawn people will be indistinguishable from pictures/videos of real people. But when it comes to porn the bar is actually much lower, they don't need to be lifelike, warts and all, they just need to be real enough to be attractive. And IMO we're practically there already with games like Cyberpunk2077 and 3d porn studios like StudioFOW (full movies with kinky plots, voice acted and all).
This mode of thinking is entirely wrong and part of the problem. "Pushing the envelope" always had an expiration date. Too many producers treat their product like a drug... and in turn, their customers like addicts.
The future cannot bank on the shock value of nastiness. It has to be about sex appeal, chemistry between performers, and verisimilitude. OnlyFans has made it so that the "addict" business model no longer works for professional porn companies and it has forced our hand to produce content that requires more effort to make.
Why would I pay for generic passionless content from some hole-in-the-wall gonzo producer, indistinguishable from its dozens of competitors, when I can have custom interactions with the performers I like (OnlyFans) or premium pay content which incorporates higher production values (Blacked/Tushy)?
I'm not even identifying higher technical quality as a prerequisite. It definitely helps, but "premium pay content" doesn't have to be offered in 4K 60fps Smell-O-Vision necessarily... it only has to have something to distinguish itself from the pack! Some kind of value-add proposition, whether that takes the form of better cinematography, better chemistry between performers, better interaction with customers, etc. The definition of "premium pay content" is a lot broader than many within the industry would assume, but the one thing it absolutely requires is PASSION AND EFFORT on the part of the producer.
I say again: OnlyFans has forced the hand of the "traditional" professional porn industry. We'll have to work a lot harder to stay relevant, not to mention profitable.
Edited by - evilpineapples on 1/25/2021 12:25:54 PM
i think i highly agree with lack of chemistry between performers which porn productions/studios hardly care about in the modern era of porn, if they fix this issue with the above issues i previously mentioned the future will be a lot brighter for porn as a whole, it won't fix everything but its a start.
Great throwback by the way and great performers they were during the 90s, thats how the performers of yesteryear were built up as stars shame the industry doesn't go back to its roots on what made it thrive then.
i see porn industry suffers in many points: 1- many new faces appear quickly and disappear quickly they will give many amateur girls day after day to cover the lack of superstars we all know
2-Most of the "very hot girls" shoot a little porn just to gain that popularity, and once they have that popularity, they exit the industry
3-more than 100 scene will be produced daily but just few scenes can be very good
4- although the huge stuff of porn stars but you will find the same popular names we all know will take the AVN ,XBIZ and other awards
I remember back in the early 2000's, porn insiders and even people in the industry, said "piracy was going to be the end of the adult entertainment". I didn't believe that then, and I don't believe that now. However, I do believe OF and MV will put a big dent in the industry. I don't see performs working with studios anymore, everyone is doing their own producing. The new girls that will come in will shoot with a studio, but once they've developed a name in the industry they will go off to OF. I recently saw on twitter that Kissa Sins filmed a two scene with Manuel for her OF. i can't imagine what the cost of the scene will be.
I'm all for supporting performs but, I will not pay $50 for a scene. It has to be reasonable.
3D won't replace porn movies, people want a real connection to to performers - that is what made only fans a success in the first place. 3D movies have been part of mainstream and do not adversely affect the overall business at all. In Japan, they have massive following of voice actors, so the human element is always craved and finds a way.
Now suggesting video games will replace pornography is equally absurd because they have been around for years. Who wants a console in their hands while masturbating ?
As for onlyfans, I think studios should allow comments under videos (curated or not) where performers are required to interact with some of their fans for atleast a week or so. Hegre does some of this. This makes it a bit more expensive on studio end but as you see with OnlyFans a lot of people are more than willing to pay.
I also agree that OnlyFans would be nice if there was some kind of comment section on the videos. Maybe you could get an idea of what it is before you buy. However, that being said, that probably wouldn't work because let's face it, it's usually the people that DON'T like things are usually the ones that comment the most.
Porn is only going to become more and more diluted with the rise of "self owned" platforms. More and more girls are going to cycle in and out of mainstream porn faster than ever to raise their profile than bolt to do their own content. You won't have the depth of star power the industry has seen in years past but there's an opportunity for a performer or a few to rise to new heights of stardom that haven't been obtained by previous performers. I could see a performer or 2 having legit mainstream cross over success.
This leads me to my next thought, porn will become less stigmatized, I'm not sure there will ever be such a thing as "legit mainstream" porn for obvious reasons but I think the industry will not have to be relegated to the shadows as much as they have been, which in turn I think will improve the industry in the long view in terms of pay/practice and standards/health/ect ect ect.
I think the category of "interracial" will eventually completely disappear, we've already begun to see some in the industry call for the term to end. You will still have plenty if not even more interracial scenes but the category will be dropped for the most part save for the 2nd/3rd rate studios that will still focus on exploiting the term/category. While I think "interracial" will cease as a category I think you are going to see the idea of "natural" girls be popularized as a category. More and more in not just porn but in society people with tattoos and other body alterations are becoming more frequent and more normalized the demand for seeing girls or scene with performers without tattoos/body alterations will become a popular niche.
The "incest" stuff will sooner than later fall off, it's already not as frequent as before. I think cosplay/theme/parody porn will rise. More and more nerd/pop culture is on the rise and I think the demand for that will grow.
Plus sized/BBW, trans performers will be more integrated into mainstream porn studios. For instance Brazzers has been using a lot of BBW performers this past year, I think you will see more sites like that phase in content with BBW and even trans performers. I even think Bisexual porn with men and girl will become more popular.
I think the major porn studios will be fine because they've built their brand and reputation and so long as they maintain their quality they'll be around. My guess is 95% of these smaller, secondary studios/websites will all go belly up, a few here or there will survive because of how the industry is structured and you will see new ones come and go as well. Sites will have a la carte type tiers of subscriptions to adapt to customers.
I think it has peaked - it was all over the place the past few years but I think the category has worn off and you are not seeing it quite as much and will not be as frequent.
i do agree in recent years the interracial genre has become more soft core, not due to the performers themselves but due to modern times some studios have blacklisted some words for example a white female performer saying "black dick"amongst other words banned by majority of studios, now it feels like its been watered down massively and doesn't come off as organic, i miss the old days when a girl doing IR was something magical for example look at Lisa Ann's scene with Wesley Pipes wearing that extremely hot blue lingerie giving her an smokin hot sex appeal, it had a special aura about it, modern porn can learn a thing or two by watching the classics.
Modern porn has become to generic nothing really stands out anymore, i remember getting a buzz from watching certain scenes but that feeling is none existent in modern porn, no one really cares about amazing the viewer anymore just getting a quick dime from consumers.
I do agree majority websites will be fine especially the built up brands who have a long history, due to who doesn't want to watch their two performers have sex, for example if an individual is a fan of both Abigail Mac and Dredd them both having a scene together, they surely would want to subscribe to that particular website just for that scene is a no brainer, not to say Onlyfans isn't a popular option for die hard fans of their respective performers, for the female performers its a much lucrative option than porn rake in tens of 1000s in days if not 10000s at comfort of their own home.
I do however disagree with your comments about TS, BBW and others etc, the way i see it if your not a fan of something don't subscribe to it but let others enjoy their fetishes, for example I'm heterosexual and prefer straight porn so i wouldn't subscribe to a gay/lesbian website but have no problem with individuals that do enjoy that kind of stuff.
I miss the era of 2004 - 2014 or so interracial scenes. It's just boring now with the over-killed step-father, step-sibling, or masseuse story line. The guys don't seem to be allowed to cut loose like back in the day. No more cutting up, trash talking, or unscripted actions. Used to like a lot of the WCP, Evasive Angles, Dogfart Network themed IR releases.
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Posted - Jan 23 2021 : 9:56PM
I agree with most of what MacDaddy says but you all have to realize a few things: piracy killed chemistry and quality to a large extent, it also fueled the rise of self owned platforms for performers to be able to eke out a living, the complaints about fauxcest and shock value scenes are kind of ridiculous because there is an insatiable audience for this. I often think you could have a 'porn scene' that strictly involved inserting cameras up the female rectum into the intestines and some fans will find even that jerkoff material. The people fearing the 'demise' of the industry are foolish because it will evolve and remain although perhaps not as they remember it. Sexwork is the oldest profession in the world next to being a mercenary or an assassin. The irony of this debate is that ALL of the posters here, every porn fan has contributed to this current state of affairs. It's like a smoker complaining about how they are always out of breath or always coughing. The real quality issue in porn is that for whatever reason, the trendsetters never stay the course anymore. Consider GW and Pure Taboo, multiple complaints about the quality of the scenes going downhill. Reminds me of Girlfriends Films, started out as the ultimate powerhouse studio that everyone was looking up to see what they could learn. Now you barely hear them mentioned or SHV for that matter, there is a need for quality control but it's more consistency rather than issues with chemistry in my eyes.
I don't agree with the whole "The sky is falling" attitude some of you are taking. Simply because I'd bet if you went back in time to each decade there would be those who saw change coming proclaiming it's the end of porn. With every decade things change and it's usually not bad but simply just a matter of adjustments and adaptation. I simply don't see the porn studio system going away or even taking a dip in quality. There'll always be new girls entering the biz for studios to shoot. And just as before the creation of Onlyfans many/most of them won't stick around long. Girls have had options before OF and the porn biz didn't crumble. Girls had their own sites, cam shows, stripping and such to augment their income and fanbase and the porn biz kept going. Girls usually make more money doing their other ventures than they do shooting porn and yet they kept shooting porn as a way to drive their other ventures. I don't think it's any different with OF....for the most part. I'm pretty sure that any girl who says they're through with shooting "mainstream" porn and will only do OF was ready to leave the "mainstream" porn biz anyway. Because realistically, it only makes sense to do both. OF fans has been able to grow quickly because of the current pandemic but when things get back to normal I think the mainstream porn biz will get a lot closer to business as usual. Then for lots of performers OF will be more of additional revenue stream. Of course some will choose to only shoot OF content but like I mentioned before the performers who choose to do that will be the ones who were going to leave porn anyway...because they could easily do both if they wanted to.
In the meantime, OF will change and grow and adapt. I think quality overall will get better as the performers see and understand that higher quality will probably sell better and will invest in their business. Price will be adjusted as they begin to understand how much is too much for the attracting the biggest audience. The amount and type of content will change as they have time to figure out what works best. When the time has passed and things settle into place I think many people who see OF as a bad thing will gladly hop on board. While many porn fans are more into the sex acts and/or sites/directors many fans are into certain girls. For them the chance to just follow the work of their fav girl(s) might be far more favorable than subscribing to a site(s) where she may only have a few scenes there or trying to follow her work from studio to studio. Also, what about all the retired girls who left porn because of bad treatment or because of a lack of job offers? A lot of those girls will and probably already returned to shooting sex scenes on OF. Here's the chance to see them again. Hey, remember that hot actress who used to be in that show years ago but you never see her anymore? She's on OF now doing some sexy non-porn stuff but not having any sort of real sex....yet. If OF survives I think it will open up a whole new world.
As far as "mainstream" porn goes, I think it will be business as usual. More niche sites will pop up that specialize in a certain thing. Some of the more mainstream porn sites will shoot whatever's "the thing of the moment". Right now "rimming" is the "new" hot thing (even though it's always been around). For a hot minute it was prolapsing. Remember bukkake(sp)? How about Parodies? "Legal teen" porn is still a thing but it's been more or less folded into "mainstream" porn because the young petite girls are the big thing now. "Mainstream" porn will look to the specialty sites to see what they can take from them and get away with. "Theme" porn will continue. I don't think "family" porn is going anywhere. New themes will pop up at some point and become popular but the old themes won't go away they'll just fade into the background a bit. MILFs, Big Boobs, Big butts, and such will always be around in one form or another. I'm not a fan of it but if I had to predict the next thing to go more "mainstream" I'd say golden showers will be next.
I think this pandemic killed the porn industry dead. We were already suffering from the lack of good directors, now the pandemic fueling OF and/or MV and the likes of them has finally put the final nail in the coffin...
Those are some one of the main reasons why Japanese porn is my favourite. I mean, the incredibly hot, often natural women certainly are part of that as well, but in JAV you still get great chemistry. There is foreplay, lots of it, in fact. The Japanese love to tease. The women wear super sexy lingerie and they actually give you time to admire it. You get elaborate storylines. It's incredible how many scenarios and fantasies they like to explore. There is lots of entertainment value with all the crazy concepts. You get breast play, nipple licking, extensive kissing, dirty talk (in Japanese, but better than nothing) and so much more. Japan truly knows how to produce intimate porn that exudes pure eroticism. Or erotic art in general for that matter. Modern Western porn often feels too fake, too clean and too mechanical for my taste. Now others may like that, but it's lost potential. I get it, the pixelation is a deal dealbreaker for many, I assume. But the positives ultimately far outweigh the negatives in my opinion.
Interesting King Natto sounds like the exact type of porn thats missing in the modern era, by whats written i like what I'm hearing, all the above is no longer prevalent in present western pornography, i have never looked to the east, to the orient but it sounds like my cup of tea.
Teasing super important as is foreplay which has been made redundant in mainstream pornography its like sticking the turkey in the oven without preheating the oven they just get into straight up sex.
Dirty talking, breast play, nipple licking and extensive kissing are all important aspects on what makes a scene tick as are great storylines is all thats needed to get viewer to turn their faces the other way.
Intimate porn is what is needed in the industry with great chemistries on display by performers if studios let them loose and be themselves to get into the groove of things to help matters, todays porn comes as too generic and robotic for my liking with a very few exceptions.
Sexy attires play a staple front on why people liked stars of yesteryear better than todays talent, a prime example being Lisa Ann who stunned us all with her super hot outfits for scenes, i don't think she would be so fondly missed if she wasn't able to pull it off like she did.
Another example Kagney Linn Karter just awed fans with her presence wearing all those mouth watering outfits throughout the years just check out her attire for blacksgoblonde hardx attire it was insanely hot making the viewer go bananas and providing fans with all those incredible moments.
I do agree in someway the positives outweigh the negatives like qualities of the videos and being able to purchase vods, being able to connect with performers and studios alike, porn insiders.
Can you reccomend some of the japanese porn websites it would be interesting to explore this niche and check it out for myself.
I think OF's is here to stay, but as some have said, actors/actresses need to develop a fanbase before they can move into that arena to make money. That said, only the hottest girls will be able to go that way and make decent money, people aren't going to spend $15-20 month on average, and only then the content has to merit the cost.
That said, I think the biggest advances will be in CGI type content as graphics and motion capture or realistic movements, etc... become better programmed. Along with that I do foresee a kind of side tangent on this that will go along with deepfake tech (which I think will continue to expand rapidly), but by this I mean full body skin deepfakes. I could see for example with CGI, a Jenna Jameson could license her likeness from the 90's to be used in making porn. I could see almost any actress that made money back in the day or even recently licensing their likenesses for this kind of tech.
I think VR will expand, but only insofar as the tech warrants it. What I mean by this is that the visual will kind of cease to be enough. They'll have to develop more tactile haptic inducing environments and tech to take it to the next level. For example, you install vr cameras and emitters in your room, and going along with the above paragraph, you have haptic tech, then you could download a jenna Jameson model and that would be transformative next level shit.
edit: i forgot to mention this. I also see massive growth in the game market. It's more of a newish market that's been growing with games like Dating My Daughter, Milfy City and others. I could see at some point bigger industry getting behind this and creating more realistic movements and environments and complete sex scenes from start to finish vs the picture/animation/picture animation stop/go of the current genres
r18.com is the major one. It is the international equivalent to Fanza (formerly known as DMM) and hosts an incredible amount of JAV. More than 330.000 videos and new ones get added on a daily basis. Keep in mind those are actual films, as it is typical for Japanese porn, not individual scenes. One film usually consists of several individual scenes that are often connected by plot or a common theme. And Japan caters to pretty much every fetish and fantasy imaginable. Studios are often highly specialized in certain genres, Bibian for example exclusively produces lesbian content.
zenra.net is another interesting site. They focus on the more out there, strange and entertaining JAV and actually provide English subtitles and also nice background information. And they have some uncensored porn as well.
For uncensored JAV you have sites like tokyo-hot.com or carribbeancom.com, but their content feels a lot more similar to Western porn for the most part. You still get pretty extensive foreplay and toy use, at least.
japornxxx.com is a new uncensored site that sort of tries to merge Western and Eastern influence. They certainly have some potential I would say.
Those should be fine for starters.
Edited by - KingNatto on 2/2/2021 6:08:48 PM
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^A warning that while R18 is good for information on what's new in JAV and searching for movies by actress/category/window shopping (like IAFD/indexxx etc), it's been my experience that the actual paid stream themselves are awfully slow to buffer and seek (unusable) and the downloads require you to use their clunky proprietary video player (DRM crap, usually you can only download/watch for a limited time - if you're lucky enough to even get it to successfully download a whole scene to begin with).
Less attractive girls? In my opinion, there has never been a time in porn where so many attractive girls have been performing such raunchy stuff. Just look at the fresh meat who go straight into performing interracial scenes these days.
This is the case with US talent at least. I do miss the euro scene back in the 90s to early 2000s when there was plenty of hot eastern European women doing porn. There are some cute girls coming out of Russia these days but not many out of countries like the Czech Republic and Hungary compared to past times
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Posted - Dec 3 2021 : 12:59AM
Site showcases are dead. That's one noteworthy development this year that comes to mind. Tushy followed in the footsteps of Blacked and killed the showcase. I hear other websites like HardX don't do showcases either.
VMG now has cross site showcases aimed at growing subscriber base across the entire network. There is no clearly defined value here and the starlet might have already had their first anal or IR.
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Posted - Dec 3 2021 : 12:56PM
Pornstradamus sees all and knows all:
1. Robopenis 3000 becomes the biggest pornstar on earth. Able to service up to 7 girls at the same time, the price of an orgy scene for a producer drops dramatically.
2. Multiple porn girls will have operations to make all of their joints double-jointed. Headspinng (ala "the Exorcist") becomes the newest thing in blow bangs. "Pretzel Sex" becomes a thing.
3. Holograms become the newest thing in porn. See deceased pornstars like Seka, Marilyn Chambers, etc come back in holographic form to fuck for you.
4. Onlyfans becomes less profitable and OnlyOnlyFanFans arises from the ashes. In this iteration, porn girls can only sell their services to other porn girls. An infinity loop arises opening a black hole that swallows the Earth by 2045.
I think there will eventually come a point where companies will have to make some unpopular decisions (internally) but doing so might be necessary for their survival
Either
1. VOD becomes more common (some additional money from frugal fans is better than none)
2. Membership prices get slashed to historically low prices to attract new customers
or #3 which might be the most controversial but could be better for talent
Like SAG-AFTRA, porn talent would eventually get residuals for the content they work on for companies
A trial method might be to introduce some kind of tip-jar where fans who have excess cash could send an additional donation (maybe $5 or $10 per user) for a scene with specific performers they like to make it even more clear who is popular and should be brought back.
Sure there's streaming/download numbers and site ratings/rankings but $ always speaks loudest doesn't it?
You can't blame talent for wanting to prioritize their own content as any revenue stream is theirs indefinitely. Unless the industry is fine with the next decade only being newcomers who do a few scenes to build their fanbase and then leave ASAP, it's basically a waste of advertising money to market anyone as the next big star.
If someone was ambitious their studio could also look into co-productions with the Japanese porn industry.
Anime & Manga have never been more popular (destroying US comics; though they've done themselves no favors being getting woke = going broke)
There are plenty of adult hentai, manga and visual novels (eroge) that have live-action JAV adaptations.
There's always a chance of an American studio butchering the source material and thinking it should just be another parody of the Hollywood movies & TV shows they do porn scenes of, but if done right they could be high quality & big budget productions.
Just because something is made by a Japanese creator doesn't mean every single fictional character is always Asian.
Plenty of blondes and redheads with snow white skin for example.
Co-production would also give a loophole for Japanese producers to have an uncensored video version available even if hosted/released in a different country.
Unlike the US porn industry (outdated DVD format), Japan cares about their home video market & quality so co-productions could also help revive the Blu-ray format (both Japan & US are Region A though any serious home video collector probably has a region free player any way)
Edited by - Big_Tits_Addict on 12/24/2021 12:57:16 AM
Porn in the west is under enough scrutiny. Adding the japanese mafia, the faux-rape themes, and up-until-recently, lax attitude to child porn, are reasons that have kept collaborations to a minimum. Both sides have tried. Japanese companies - and I mean the real ones like Hokuto - used to have representatives at the western B2B shows.
Gangs/mafia/triad/yakuza are bad news for porn. It's why despite Montreal being the epicentre of all the companies and having a huge pool of hot women, nobody shoots in Montreal. Nobody wants to deal with the biker gangs.
There is more porn then ever before but it's more assembly line. It hasn't got the passion as the stuff in the 90s. Directors can't do what they want. They have to listen to a few managers from big companies
