I don't really see anything wrong with what Teddy posted a few posts up. It came across as a joke to me and I would not have thought anything of it unless it was brought up in a subsequent post which it was. Just let it go please.
Considering the fact that she has already done a Dp , I wonder if there are any plans for a gangbang ... If Angela would do such a scene she would follow in the footsteps of natural busty legends like Mia Bangg and Jessica Moore who have left behind memorable scenes . Maybe she could even surpass them .
Hey Angela, Saw you and the lovely Scarlett Morgan together on one of her instagram pics and wondered if there was a slim chance you two might hook up for a shoot for your site. Not sure if Scarlett would do hardcore girl/girl, but would be great to see the two hottest Oz girls together.
I love Scarlett! She is gorgeous on the outside but she's also a genuine and lovely person. Scarlett doesn't do hardcore girl/girl though so it doesn't really make sense to shoot her for my site. One can dream!
A smooth operator, operating correctly. 445 Posts 1/14
Posted - Aug 6 2015 : 5:54PM
Angela, LOVED your anal scenes in "Angela Loves Threesomes"! Especially the scene with you and Bonnie Rotten, that was incredible! But, as I felt after watching your showcase, I really hope you consider shooting for big-name studios. I understand you are focused on building your own brand. For me, this comes down to the technical issues I saw in these scenes. The directing, the editing, the camerawork, the sets all could've been better. I'd love to see you shot by directors like Mason, Jules Jordan, Mike Adriano, etc. You are an amazing performer and you deserve the BEST of everything Angela! P.S. I absolutely LOVED the way your asshole gapes, more anal scenes please! lol
Hi Smooth, I'm so glad you loved the anal scenes! The one with Bonnie is particularly intense and definitely the hardest and dirtiest scene I've released so far. I love hearing your feedback but what would help me more than saying that the "directing, the editing, the camerawork, the sets all could've been better" would be to hell me HOW you believe they could have been better. I can't improve on my releases without this information but if you don't be specific it's difficult to know what is missing. Also, if you are specific it allows me to decipher whether it's your subjective tastes driving your comment or whether there is a fairly objective technical error that I continue to replicate. Thanks again for your feedback!
I'm a big fan of minimalism and mid-century modern architecture and I love shooting in big spaces, preferably with white interiors and with large amounts of natural light. This is just my personal taste and preference so I'm always going to choose a location that fits with this vibe. However, I too love water so I hope I can do shoots on the beach and more in pools, showers and baths soon.
A smooth operator, operating correctly. 445 Posts 1/14
Posted - Aug 7 2015 : 5:00PM
Hi Angela, I appreciate you interacting with us fans. I will do my best to explain my criticisms, though it may be difficult to properly convey them in writing as opposed to if I were speaking directly to you. And to be completely honest, my criticisms might be completely subjective to my own tastes. But since you asked, here goes: The DP scene: First off, I understand that shooting a scene by the pool was probably meant to show a loose and fun atmosphere for the scene. But the bed you and the guys were performing on was not conducive to shooting a DP. This is a criticism of the set- that bed didn't allow any of you to properly open up to the camera during the DP portions of the scene, which in-turn ended up hurting the camerawork and direction of the scene. Above you explained your love for natural lighting for a set, so now I understand your choice to shoot the scene outside. But due to shooting on that bed, the camera could really only be in one spot during the DP- above you, which allowed the viewer to only see the top penetration, whether in reverse or normal cowgirl. The bottom penetration was completely cut off from the camera. The bed also hindered the bottom guy from properly thrusting in and out, he pretty much had to lay there as the top guy did most of the work. Then around the 9:05 mark of the scene, the cameraman/director goes for a close-up shot of the double penetration from the back- in my opinion, that shot only works when the female is able to look back at the camera and get her face in the frame, because without that the frame is mostly filled by balls and man-ass which is not what I want to see. Also there was a lot of varying between wide-shots and close-ups, which got pretty annoying by the end of the scene- personally, I think the frame should always be filled by your amazing body, I don't need to see the guys' faces unless they are next to your face, I don't need to see their bodies unless they're next to yours. You have an amazing body, so I'm not asking for super-close-ups of the penetration as seen in most gonzo scenes, I just don't need negative space or too much of the guys in the frame, I need you. The constant movement of the camera gave me the feeling like the cameraman/director was toying around with it- for instance during the RCG anal that begins around the 17:00 mark, the camera moves up and down, zooms in and out, turns diagonally. The shot changing couple times is ok, but for what in my opinion is the best anal position to watch, I'd like to see the camera just focused on the girl as she's getting pounded. It's just things like that. I'll end it there because I don't want to be too long-winded. I haven't really had these issues while watching similar scenes from the big-name directors and studios I suggested to you, so I will continue to hold out hope that eventually you'd be willing to shoot for them. In the meantime, I hope this helps.
The reason that the actual sex often moves indoors is that most location owners are lenient when it comes to shooting tease video or solo photos outside but will not allow sex outside (there can sometimes be noise concerns in respect to neighbours etc). But when I can shoot outdoors, location and weather permitting, I do. That scene with Chloe B will always be a classic!
Thank you for all your awesome feedback. Out of curiosity, did you single out the DP because it was the scene you were most interested in, or because it was the scene with the most problems from your point of view? The DP was shot by a different camera operator so if you preferred the camera work from the other three scenes then it could have a lot to do with technical style. I agree that the furniture could have been better for positions but unfortunately that piece was the best option available at that specific location. During my most recent production I actually rented and brought in my own furniture having already learnt this lesson from this and another scene. I am determined to learn and grow in this industry and always want my next scene to be better than my last. I think you'll find that I've stepped up my game once more with the releases that are yet to come. I'm looking forward to revealing more when the time comes. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts.
Hi Angela, any chance of seeing you pop up on Girlsway? Edited by - Aya on 8/8/2015 3:29:24 AM
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Posted - Aug 8 2015 : 12:30PM
I am glad that finally more and more smart ADT viewers like smoothie start to comprehend the usage of proper photo-mechanics in DP action as well as the serious effect these have to the final visual outcome of the extreme action. DP is the most technical (from director POV) and physical (from all performers POV) demanding action in porn. From the pornographical engineering aspect, it cannot be compared with any other group action (like FFM) because it involves the perfect setup and coordination of two simultaneous penetrations. This means as a director, you have a very confined space to organize the mechanics and offer a clear view without harming the actress. (damn I sound like I describe a scientific discourse) o-o. There are many rules and secrets about DPs and I can honestly admit to you very very few directors in the whole industry knows them all. Shooting a DP does not only requires important technical knowledge but also high photographic sense. This is a task for very advanced directors. (And becomes even more difficult if you want to bring high levels of eroticism and beauty out of a very extreme pornographic action). I haven't seen your latest DP scene Angela, yet I am fully aware of what smoothie means and since you want to become a director I will give you some very important hints which you will find very very helpful, if of course you have the patience to read my extensive post. I am not gonna extend to many other elements but I will focus on the issue smoothie stated, DP photography. This is one of the most common traps directors fall, around the adult world. In their attempt to frame the entire attire of the starlet many directors position the camera in the wrong place. In cowgirl for example, they angle it in a way where you can see her figure profile but not the actual penetrations, in doggy you might see both penetrations clearly but very little of the starlet's body and finally in reverse cowgirl you can see her top frontal figure and the vaginal insertion but not the anal. Especially in the last position a big number of directors think they do right, but in reality they destroy completely the actual hardcore appeal of the DP. The most efficient way of course is to fit a crystal clear picture of the extreme DP event, most of the girls body attire as well as her facial expressions at the same frame. (In your case it would be a crime not to expose your rare juicy attire in the most flattering and enticing poses). I shout in many threads about the lack of technical knowledge on behalf of the directors in DP process, but I haven't clearly reveal most of its rules and solutions yet. You see, I promised I will give all of them assembled to a friend first of all, as soon as I finish writing a proper manual and then offer it for public view. However, I will make one small exception for you Angela and reveal one of the most sacred rules of DP and a basic solution to many of its capturing issues. It is called the golden rule of P E R I N E U M. Perineum is the skin layer between the vulva and the anus. This rule denotes that in every DP position, in closeup or in wide mode, the most efficient way to cover a DP is to level the camera with the perineum of the girl and angled it in such a way in order to give a clear view of the double penetrated holes as well as most of the female model body, wherever this is . The more distinctive the perineum is the more "clean" the DP gets. The logic behind is pretty obvious. The viewer should have a clear visual confirmation of the DP and its exact type (DP, DV or DA). In particular: The viewer should distinguish clearly that one cock occupies her vaginal cavity and her labia surrounds the invading member plus one more cock occupies her anal canal dilating its ring around it. The dicks should not visually cover each other, should not touch one another and should not be shadows or dark spots on the money area. Mind something else too. Capturing a DP is a dynamic procedure. This means that if a position changes the camera should adjust accordingly. For example if the DP starts in the Cowgirl position (the perineum lies up and her body right or left) and then the girl is turned around in Reverse cowgirl position (the perineum's position lowers and her body usually stands up) the camera should lower down and not remain in the spot. Still, you have to be careful with the penetration angles (the way the dicks are thrusting), because there is a risk to break the DP mechanics. It is also possible the photography to look perfect for a few instances but when the guys start to thrust, suddenly realize that something is wrong. That is of course a sign that you need to change something because preserving the intensity and the smoothness of thrusting is equally important. You might think this rule is so simple and obvious but you will be surprised to hear what great impact one slight correction of the angle can have to the visual appeal and how often is missed even from very experienced and acclaimed directors. Nevertheless that rule alone cannot assure the successful outcome of a DP. There are many other matters they need to be taken care off. Ensuring the mutual thrusting from both guys, is one of the greatest problems the directors should face. And this is not an easy task because it has to consider many parameters (Selection of male talent, Penetration angles, Body Position of every participant, Rhythm, Stability, Surface, Lighting, Intimacy, Duration etc..). PS1. I know it will help greatly and I am sorry I can't put images yet but it is already a tiring procedure for me. Maybe later in time. PS2. The bed is not causing the problem on the anchor guy's movement, the angle of his dick and the position of the girl above are. However there are smart ways you can exploit the surface of the DP for the sake of the mutual penetration.
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Posted - Aug 8 2015 : 1:27PM
brilliant post StarGreek what i hate the most of this porn era....2012-2015 is almost all the directors don't care about the double penetration. Cowgirl, Revers cowgirl, full body shot that's it. they seriously don't know what to do with the camera. Even "skilled" director like Chris stream or Mason etc.....their scenes could be thousands times better if only they start caring about details. the result is that instead of watch a DP you have to "imagine" a DP. Add the fact that they book random male performers with small dick ( at least for porn standard )or with wood problem and they completely ruin the scene. the only dp scenes i still watch are from Jules Jordan, when he directs the movie and Jonni darkko. because they know how to use a camera.
A smooth operator, operating correctly. 445 Posts 1/14
Posted - Aug 8 2015 : 1:49PM
You're very welcome, Angela. And thank YOU for taking the time to listen to feedback. I singled out the DP scene for both reasons you mentioned: I'm a "no anal, no watch" guy so I skipped the two non-anal scenes, and the DP scene had more technical problems than the scene with you and Bonnie. Any technical issues I saw in the scene with you and Bonnie was masked by the intensity of the action, it was a fantastic scene. I look forward to your future scenes and seeing how you continue to grow and improve. :)
I haven't had the opportunity to watch the DP scene as yet but i feel compelled to respond to comments that the directing,editing,camerawork and the sets could've been better. As a member of Angela's awesome award winning independent site i have had the pleasure of seeing the vast majority of scenes on there and they are quite superb. I have found her editing to be of the highest standard up there with the big budget productions. Regarding her directing one should be reminded that even though there is direction given prior to the scene being filmed it's rather difficult being hands on while performing. As for the camerawork that is always going to be problematic ie. as a performer in the throes of passion there will be times when you're undoubtedly aware that the operator is in the wrong spot but can do very little to address that without constantly stopping and restarting. In relation to the sets well that's,as Angela has articulated, as case of personal preference and you can't please everyone. I will conclude by saying that given Angela White productions is pretty much a one woman show and the high quality of work she produces i consider her to be exceptionally talented both as a performer and producer. On top of that she's a bloody stunner!
I love her body nice curves I hope her and Mandingo go at it
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Posted - Aug 8 2015 : 9:51PM
Well... I have to make a supplemental statement here in order to avoid misunderstanding. Angela White is a very attractive woman who possesses a delectable natural and juicy attire. Beyond that is a brilliant and talented performer and I personally believe a very competent, active, smart and brave woman. I have to admit publicly that her site is among the BEST "model dedicated" sites in the entire industry. The image quality is superb and the sex in it answers all tastes. She has impressive combinations with a few of the most talented male and female performers of the field and her repertoire covers almost anything from erotic softcore to extreme hardcore, in single or in group mode. Angela maintains her personal site quite nicely and manages to update its contents in regular basis. I definitely recommend her site to every adult viewer. And I am not saying this to flatter her, that is the sole truth. Now about my previous DP essay, perhaps I wrote too much and maybe it wasn't the right thread but I couldn't resist to her request of technical knowledge in specific action. I wouldn't like to take it as bad intended criticism and I am really sorry if I give this impression. No for God sakes. It is the exact opposite. My intention (and I guess other members too) is to assist and advise Angela in her journey as an adult director. I dont like to sound as a smartass, but for some reason I have acquired a very profound knowledge of this specific action and I would like this knowledge to transfer gradually to the directors (priority have my friends) and further to the public. Again DP is a very technically demanding action and she will understand this as soon as she will position herself behind the camera. You have no idea how many little details she has to take care of in order to setup and capture a flawless kick-ass DP. These details are very often hidden from the majority of the directing stuff in all over the world. In any case I have to congratulate Angela for her site and to encourage her to keep the good work and continue to provide quality porn of every kind.
WOW! So much great feedback. Thank you everyone! StarGrek, I'm incredibly impressed by your technical knowledge of DP and I've only seen your highly specified attention to detail from people who embrace a particular fetish. I will definitely be revisiting your advice and suggestions the next time I shoot a DP (did I just give away that I love DP and there will be more?!). When it comes to finding or capturing the best shots the biggest tension always comes from the flow of gonzo and the desire to capture the moment. Those authentic, passionate moments only occasionally offer up the best angles to capture the penetrative action. When possible, I don't like to stop a scene. I like it to flow and to move with the performers' desires in the moment. This is not necessarily conducive to getting the best penetrative shots, but does a great job at showcasing chemistry and lust. If I make sure to tell a camera operator that I want the camera level with the perineum then when the opportunity to get those shots arises hopefully it will be captured. But get these shots 100% of the time, IMO I would have to sacrifice some passion, flow and energy. The best way to guarantee these shots would be the have a shot list, to stop and start and control the scene. I'd rather compromise... capture the passion and intensity and then try to also make sure that when the angle permits the penetration is captured well. Al, thank you for your support! You hit the nail on the head with regards to directing and performing. Because I don't like to stop and start during a gonzo scene once I've told the performers and crew what I'd like to achieve I have to just trust that we will have great chemistry and energy and that the crew will capture it. I want to lose myself in every scene so I can't be constantly checking if the correct shot is being captured or the right angle. Luckily, I've worked with some fantastic camera operators and crews that really understand my vision and bring their own experience and passion to every scene. Regarding shooting for other companies, my stance hasn't changed. My focus is on angelawhite.com and my DVDs. Don't hold your breath about me shooting for others, but also don't be surprised if I do. I've always maintained that if it is a project I'm really passionate about then I will make an exception - when I can. The thing is, I also have time constraints. There have been some really exciting offers that I've been really interested in but I've had to politely decline due to my busy schedule. Running my site is a full time job in itself - I'm performing, editing and grading videos, sourcing music, producing DVDs, trying to navigate running an overseas company and the different tax systems etc, etc, etc - and then I also webcam, have contractual commitments to promote products I endorse and do some commissioned writing. So when I take up an offer from another company I know that it's going to take time away from producing some of my own content.
Iam a huge fan of your work angela, I think you are the most gorgeous pornstar in the world right now and its amazing how dirty you can get with that cute face of yours on camera. I love tongue kisses. I have seen you do a lot of it with male pornstars in your scenes however only with danny mountain it was showin close up and for a decent duration. My request is could you maybe try to do more tongue to tongue kisses with your male partners in upcoming scenes and show some decent close ups of it
Well if you can't shoot for other sites, please invite one of the top tier G/G performers over for a scene. I don't know if that's possible since they may not have a big enough name for your site.
I usually include more close-up tongue kissing in G/G scenes since so much of my male audience have said they don't like to see the male performer's face. But I can try to include more B/G kissing close-ups in the future.
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Posted - Aug 9 2015 : 10:47PM
One thing I noticed in the threesomes movie is something that chronically mars Jay Sin movies: I call it Transition to the Same Thing editing. There will be a fairly tight shot that is held for a period of time; then, for no apparent reason, we cut to a longer shot of the performers in the same position, doing exactly the same thing, and the camera immediately is moved forward to the same tight shot it was in before, and the performers continue doing exactly the same thing they were doing before. It's a clanging, pointless interruption of the flow of the scene that makes absolutely no sense from a movie editing standpoint. I don't know whether it results from failure of the cameraman/director to get sufficient coverage to give the editor enough to work with, or ignorance/indifference on the part of the editor, or a combination of both.
Celeste Star counts, but the rest all do B/G. Personally I was thinking along the lines of Shyla Jennings, Georgia Jones, Jenna Sativa, or Ryan Ryans. But those names don't really register with the B/G fanbase.
I'd just like to add that in addition to tongue kissing close-ups i also find close-ups of pussy eating/tonguing and rimming incredibly hot and visually stimulating. Trouble is, from what i've seen, very few releases adopt that style and i'm confident that if more producers embraced that approach it would go down a treat(pun intended)!
Elexis Monroe, Karlie Montana, and AnnaBelle Lee all did B/G but surely count among the upper echelon of G/G performers. And I doubt that much of the raincoater crowd is even aware of Sovereign's B/G work. And if we're offering our opinions, I must say that Celeste Star is grossly overrated.
Let me begin by stressing that there is ALWAYS a reason for a cut. In my scenes I prefer that the camera never stops and there is never an interruption to the flow. I've been lucky enough to achieve this on many occasions but sometimes a cut is necessary. The reason might not be "apparent" but that's the point; if the reason was apparent then you'd be taken out of the scene. It could be as simple as a performer needing lube, getting squirt on the lens or as disruptive as a car accident occurring right outside the location and having to wait 45 minutes for the sirens to stop (this has actually happened). I'm happy to leave in some of these things, but if we can't find the lube I'm not going to keep in five minutes of crew running around searching. The most likely reason there is a cut in my scenes? I kick the camera. I get into the scene, lose my self in orgasm and my leg slips out from underneath me. It's inevitable when a camera comes in that close to the action and three people are fucking that some flailing limb is going to hit the mic or camera operator. I'd rather have to deal with this problem than have performers so focused on where the camera is that a scene is passionless. Sometimes I'll leave a kick in the scene but if it's really bad (to the point where the camera pans sideways and catches the crew and the MUA and whatever else is around) it needs to go. So it makes absolute sense from a movie editing standpoint and is not a result of the ignorance or indifference of the editor (which, for the record, is me). Nor is is the failure of the director (also me) to get sufficient coverage. It is not a clanging, pointless interruption to the flow of the scene (although it may be an unfortunate one). In regards to the transition, as the editor I have to make a call as to what to transition to. Sometimes I transition to a new position, but this is actually a lazy way of editing. It's easy to throw on a cross-dissolve and move onto the next position, but it's actually far more work to transition from a close-up to a wide (or vice versa) because you have to find a point where all hands are in a same or very similar position otherwise it throws the viewer. Perhaps you find you are thrown out less when it just moves onto the next thing, but it is my personal opinion that the flow is less compromised if you can make it look like a two-camera set up and the action has continued as it was and the editor has simply cut from camera 1 to 2.I have to disagree with the idea that because a performer also does B/G that she cannot be a top tier G/G performer. For example, Dani Daniels was an exclusively G/G performer for a long time and I don't think her lust for women waned or her pussy eating skills diminished when she started doing B/G scenes. But regardless, some of the performers you mentioned were already on my "to do" list so you have great taste ;)I picture you typing this with a perverted smile. You know I'm always down for more pussy eating and ass rimming!
Well I certainly agree with your previous statement, but I disagree regarding Celeste. Of all the G/G performers I've worked with she was the most keen to have fun off camera. She is genuinely into women unlike some other performers are just very good at "faking" it.
Well rightly or wrongly, some people give up on G/G stars who cross over to B/G. I know you can't name names, but I would love to know who are the women who are good at faking it. But if some of the ladies I mentioned are on your list, then hopefully it's just a matter of time. :)
Angela, one thing I did really love from a recent update on your site was your shower scene with Ramon Nomar. I love the that he was able to pop twice in the scene, now I'm sure it's a lot harder than it sounds to do, then again maybe not, but I think it adds a bit more realism into the scene. I often find it impressive if the guy can pop more than once, and it's always believable because they're always paired with Angela. Also, is there a way to own a hard copies of your recent JAV work? I'm a bit resistant to purchase the streaming versions, but would rather own the actual copies in hand. Edited by - Boom Dizzle on 8/10/2015 1:11:59 AM
Angela since you seem to be on here tonight, just wanted to say you are absolutely gorgeous and i love you site. I have a foot fetish so i love how you always pepper a little foot action into as many scenes as you can (the fact that you usually always have all natural unpainted toes is the cherry on top as that is my preference), it makes each scene that much better for me. Love that you are doing more DP's, and excited that you apparently have many more of them on the way (could a double vag or gangbang scene be on the horizon? hopefully). Just a wonderful site, and you are a truly gifted adult performer. Also, i know you don't like to talk about if you are shooting for other companies or not, but at some point PLEASE do another scene for BLACKED. I think i still watch your BLACKED at least once a week, it's that damn good.
I know next to nothing about movie making, but other fans have chimed in with directorial advice, so let me offer my two cents on editing. In Hollywood, they hide the cuts by inserting reaction shots, B-roll, or simply cutting to a different camera angle. You have an amazing pair of assets that can easily distract viewers from what might otherwise seem an interruption in the flow. If I were directing, I would shoot lots B-roll– including, but not limited to, close-ups of your face and big bouncing boobs in each position. Then if you need to make a cut from the main action for some reason, you can insert the B-roll, and the viewers will get so excited they won't even notice the interruption. Digital Playground uses a lot of B-roll, but they forget that it is porn. I remember one particularly awful cut during a shower scene starring Riley Steele. At the very moment when I most wanted to adore Riley's beautiful body (or maybe see a close-up of her sweet pussy engorging a hard cock, or maybe the look of ecstasy on her face, or hundreds of other possibilities), they cut to water flowing out of the shower head, thereby ruining what could have been a great orgasm. Their editor ruined a great orgasm in a shower scene starring Riley Steele by cutting to a close-up of the water flowing out of the shower head.
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Posted - Jul 19 2015 : 12:47PM
