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Drew Black
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Posted - May 7 2005 : 9:24AM
download it here
DenverDon
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Posted - May 7 2005 : 10:21AM
No, I don't use it.

I have cable, and generally thing 'pop' onto the screen. If there is a slow load, it's usually the server at the other end that can't feed that data fast enough.

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Drew Black
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Posted - May 7 2005 : 10:26AM
This thing is specifically designed to speed up the internet for broadband users. I don't know why Google thinks that the internet is slow for these folks.

I've been testing it for about an hour just to be sure that it doesn't screw up the site. Thus far it seems OK.

Kperv
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Posted - May 7 2005 : 10:31AM
No.
Even if they were to make a Linux version, I can't see myself using it.

Routing requests from all around the world through Google servers?
Won't that introduce another bottleneck?

What about the REFERRER info?


Edited 'cause I didn't read the info at the link.

Edited by - Kperv on 5/7/2005 10:32:43 AM

Drew Black
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Posted - May 7 2005 : 10:36AM
There's a lot of doom and gloom "Google is evil" talk going on in some of the webmaster forums about this new software. I'm trying to figure out if we need to block it or not.

My primary concern is that it's going to consume a ton of bandwidth. Google will be prefetching pages from links that users simply mouseover. The user may never actually visit the page but we'll be sending the data over the wire to google's caching servers anyway.

FWIW, I've been using the software for over an hour and it hasn't sped up a thing for me. It keeps track of how much time it thinks it's saving. Mine still says "0.0 seconds saved" but I can see the prefetching service hitting the server hard.

 
DenverDon
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Posted - May 7 2005 : 10:40AM
Sounds to me like advertising hype for something that is not needed. Advertise an 'accelerator' and get your name in the headlines again, or build an ad campaign around it.

You also make a good point on how it might affect the server.

DenverDon

Edited by - DenverDon on 5/7/2005 10:40:39 AM

Drew Black
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Posted - May 7 2005 : 10:48AM
It's all about data mining. Sure they get a little PR but this is a better means of collecting info on who visits what pages than their previous methods. (google toolbar)

Collecting this data will allow google to more accurately target ads to specific types of users based on the URLs they click and the content of those pages. They will be able to build statistical models of individual surfers from this data.

Kperv
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Posted - May 7 2005 : 10:50AM
Caching on mouse-over?
Oh that's going to go down a storm with webmaster everywhere.

Google is trying real hard to take over the image of Evil Overlord from Microsoft.

PL
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Posted - May 7 2005 : 10:54AM
I don't use it, nor plan to. As DD said I'm on cable and my internet is fine. I don't want to try to fix something that isn't broken, hell I'm not sure the webpages can load too much faster on my computer.

I don't trust Google... I'm willing to bet there's ad/spyware attached to that "accelerator".

DenverDon
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Posted - May 7 2005 : 10:54AM
Data mining so they can target you with specific ads? Friggin wonderful!

You're laying down some good reasons NOT to Google.

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Drew Black
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Posted - May 7 2005 : 10:59AM
Yep. Randomly move your mouse around a page and the prefetcher starts requesting pages. I am doing some testing on our various top 50 list pages and I have been able to lauch 12 simultaneous prefetch requests. The server handles is just fine but it's just me doing it. I can't imagine what's going to happen when there are 250 simultaneous users hitting the server with this wonderful software.
1on1Fan
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Posted - May 7 2005 : 11:48AM
No.
I have DSL, and i don't trust google, i don't even use Gmail or that new My Search History service.

Some sites sometimes load slow, but i'am sure it's my computer, 400MHz, Recommended for Firefox is 500MHz or more.

edit: and i don't even have Win XP or 2000:)

Edited by - 1on1Fan on 5/7/2005 12:25:22 PM

juha
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Posted - May 9 2005 : 6:03AM
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oatmeal
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Posted - May 9 2005 : 7:17AM
I'm tired of listening to the "in" crowd knock who ever becomes successful. IBM, Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Internet Explorer, Google, AOL, Yahoo, etc etc.

Try Google's Desktop Search some time, it's awesome.

DenverDon
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Posted - May 9 2005 : 8:21AM
Success is one thing Oatmeal. But pushing a 'benefit' that really isn't a benefit is another thing.

IMO.

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oatmeal
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Posted - May 9 2005 : 9:42AM
You're right DD. I was just making a blanket statement on how it is trendy to slam the "big bad companies" (and Teagan) when the same people were fawning all over it when it was the new up-and-commer. The success or size of a company isn't a reason to slam the product

In this case I wouldn't trust software that says it will accelerate your web experience. It sounds like it's a modified proxy server but I bet it's more like server-side spyware.

cobalt60
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Posted - May 9 2005 : 10:46AM
Who's Teagan?
DenverDon
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Posted - May 9 2005 : 11:27AM
I agree with ya Oatmeal.

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juha
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Posted - May 9 2005 : 12:58PM
Last year's next big thing.
astroknight All-Star Supporter
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Posted - May 9 2005 : 1:20PM
cobalt - looks like your sarcasms mechanism is down.

I'm joining the "google is evil" crowd and try to use them as little as possible now that they've decided that they won't do anything gun-related in searchs. It does sound like a wasted thing that's more than anything trying to gather information in a sneaky way.

"Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat." - Coupling

willywilly
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Posted - May 9 2005 : 1:55PM
Regarding Google and MS: a few days ago I was reading a magazine - sorry, can't remember which now - and there was an interesting article. It was about how Bill Gates was exhorting his people to come up with something to compete with Google. He said something like Google is the biggest threat to MS ever, since Google is the most like MS than any of the other companies that MS has crushed over the years.

It was interesting to read.

Anybody else read it?

willywilly
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Posted - May 9 2005 : 1:59PM
Who do you use now? In other words, who do you recommend?
Oh?
Can you elaborate on this some more? Or direct me to some place where I can read up on it a bit?
[ I shouldn't Google for it, huh? ]


Thanks

astroknight All-Star Supporter
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Posted - May 9 2005 : 2:28PM
I switched my little Mozilla thingie in the upper corner to dogpile.
Oh?
Can you elaborate on this some more? Or direct me to some place where I can read up on it a bit?
Click to expand
I think I saw it in the forums over on www.accuratereloading.com .

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oatmeal
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Posted - May 9 2005 : 3:06PM
No I didn't read it but I can't see how a search engine company can dislodge the maker of the top operating system and top office software products.

Honestly what does Google produce? How does their product line compare to Microsoft? The internet is too global and too fickle to guarantee web traffic.

There will be a new "in" search engine (www.AskOatmeal.com Feeling lucky? Click on the random link generator called the Crumbler) later this year, another next, another after that.

I use Google for my searches but if that doesn't give me good results I try Yahoo. Between them I usually find what I want.

If I am looking for an image I use unfiltered image searches at AltaVista.

Note: a Google search using "guns are for killing people" and "national rifle association are lunatics" returned 3,900,000 and 22,900 results respectively.

Hardware All-Star Supporter
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Posted - May 9 2005 : 3:44PM
Think about Microsoft's business model. Now, what happens when the Internet becomes fast enough that you don't need software installed on your PC? What if you can run it from 'the internet' instead, and the OS becomes trivial to what you can do? BWAHAHAHA!! Y'er going down, Billy! Y'er going DOOOOOOWWWWWNNNN!

PS - I'm not using Google's or anybody else's web accelerator.

 
oatmeal
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don't worry, cockroaches can be very hardy.
willywilly
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Posted - May 9 2005 : 6:20PM
Dogpile. I'd forgotten it. That's what I used before I discovered Google some years ago.
Thanks for reminding me.


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Oh?
Can you elaborate on this some more? Or direct me to some place where I can read up on it a bit?
Click to expand
I think I saw it in the forums over on www.accuratereloading.com .
Click to expand
Have tried www.accuratereloading.com a few times today. A few hours apart too. No luck. Is it dead? been long since the last time you were there? I'll try it again tomorrow.


willywilly
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Posted - May 9 2005 : 6:37PM
Sorry - I found it interesting to read, but didn't try to remember the details.
I found the magazine again. Matter of fact, half of Gates face is the cover.

Fortune magazine May 2, 2005 . The article answers your questions.

Now I must confess , I used Google and searched for
"+google +bill +gates" and it looks like the article is the first return.

"Technology - Why Google Scares Bill Gates - FORTUNE
Bill Gates is on a mission to build a Google killer. What got him so riled? The darling of search is moving into software—and that's Microsoft's turf. "

This is the link to the article. With a quick glance, it looks like the same article I read in the magazine - but I haven't re-read it completely to be sure.
I'm posting the link, just in case somebody else finds this sort of thing interesting too.

Btw, :) , for those using Dogpile, searching for "+google +bill +gates" , finds it too - it is the second one listed.


willywilly
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Posted - May 9 2005 : 6:40PM
Bingo.

oatmeal
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Posted - May 9 2005 : 6:52PM
the notion that google is a Microsoft killer is fine until Google starts charging for their product. Then everyone will be pissed at them.
astroknight All-Star Supporter
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Posted - May 10 2005 : 9:10AM
Just got in no problem. The thread was on their referring to a thread on Shooting World here...

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willywilly
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Posted - May 10 2005 : 9:38AM
Just tried it again, and this time it appears to be loading.
Haven't looked around yet though.

And thanks for the other link, to the Shooting World thread.
Have started to skim through that. Interesting.


jamesn
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Posted - May 12 2005 : 4:12AM
astro-i lurk there too for the african stuff, great site. +

google hasn't done anything right for a while- everything's perenially in beta, they killed dejanews after they bought it, the other heavyweights muted gmal's fanfare quickly by upping their storage without google's privacy violations, desktop search is junk, the toolbar doesn't offer much not built into firefox and ie's got an effective popup-blocker and the web-accelerator is getting tons of flak. they just shut the downloads down early after it caused problems and pissed off webmasters. aside from their archiving services, nothing new is any good and their engine itself is aging and askjeeves will have a new one out that's different, but a generation ahead of theirs coming out soon.

they're also going to deal with pressure to dumb-down their engine as google-hacking becomes more and more of a security and theft issue. they've got an awesome bread-and-butter, but they're trying to force things in other areas too much. i'm just not sure there's room for them to expand past being the standard for search engines unless they do something a lot better than what they've done recently.

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