Wow absolutely wow and so true. What you just said just sent a chill throughout my body. I cannot understand it but it is true. When a black man goes on set and says that his own preference isnt to work with a black woman first yes that hurts as a black woman. and its sad that we aren't respected like that except behind closed doors. There are many of white men who love us and our skin color but will refuse to be seen with us. sad but rue again. Its 2010 and there are minds that still work like that its crazy. but thank you for that reality check to everyone babe.
That has some truth to it as well babe but sometimes it is what they believe will sell or what they themselves are attracted to. But I appreciate your support for us as black women in this industry as well.
Well I believe that the fans for sweetheart video should get to know me as well lol anytime you want to use me to do something IR or Black on black you can always look me up mama. I am on lisa ann site
The Best things In Life Are Chocolate 732 Posts 11/05
Posted - Feb 22 2010 : 3:58PM
I am always intrigued by the responses to any thread that has to do with black women. It amazes me that even today in 2010, skin colour is what people will base an acceptance on. I find it such bullshit that because a black woman is lighter skin she will get accepted better than a darker skinned black woman. Why? Because white is right? Like fuck!! I am white, and 75% of white women in general are all about fuckin money, possessions, prestige. All the blonde women look the same, get a bottle of peroxide and gotta look like someone else for populairty. Black women have the curves, not the waif body like Jesse Jane for example. They got the ass, the hips, the full lips. But what makes me shake my head is how white guys get off on the IR porn with black guys. WTF? So then a white woman who will only fuck black guys is a better performer and worthwhile to watch as compared to a black woman woman who will only fuck white guys? And the white guys buying porn are preferring the IR porn with black guys? Ok I must have missed the boat or something here. Last time I looked, a white woman who prefers to date and fuck black men, does not prefer white men. Then the comments about there are no good looking black women in porn. Really? And every fuckin blonde is a babe right? Or every asian is hot right? This may be a personal opinion but come on. I do not find asian women attractive at all, but the odd one can make me look. I don't think there is very many in porn yet they seem to have more popularity than black women. WTF? It comes down to the boys club of AVN where they are racist towards the black women in general. Let's cast black women in ghetto themes to keep a stereotypical mindset among fans/viewers. Like get real. It is like the web site that has the black chick catch her black bf in bed with a white chick and goes and fucks a bunch of white guys in return. Great theme but do the creators have to show a Confederate Flag as thier logo and have the guys wear shirts with that on them? Again some racist fuck thinks why not it is funny. I don't think so. At least in the IR black girl movies I have, there are no racial undertones. It sounds hot when a sexy ebony girl is saying to the white guy "You like that black pussy? Fuck that black pussy hard white boy!!" because it is not racist. And us white men are only good for our money, we can't fuck like the brothers can...that is what alot of white women will say.... And wow black male performers prefer white women performers because they are nastier? Wow. Just because Misty Stone won't do a double anal that makes her at the low end of the pack? How pathetic is that? Besides I think when you see cum on a black girl, it looks hotter because of her skin tone, as compared to white chicks. Just my opinion.
Black Women are HOT!!! Edited by - JennaRulez2006 on 2/22/2010 4:01:53 PM
^^^Dude, you need to chill. No need to rant... 1. There are about 100000000000000000000000000000000000 threads discussing black male/white female IR in the porn pool already. This thread is about black girls. Lets just talk about them for a change. 2. When it comes to social constructs like "race" or "hotness", asking "why?" rarely makes sense. Demand for black girls is simply lower than demand for white girls. That's just how it is, nothing we can do about it. 3. Frankly, many of the black women are getting cast only in ghetto productions because they are too ugly for anything else. Girls like Marie Luv, Jada Fire, Aryana Starr do get hired for quality productions. But most of the black girls who enter the industry are far bellow their level in terms of looks and "class". I think it's gonna take some time until the black culture in America progresses to a point when it won't be such a taboo for a black chick to do porn. 4. IR scenes with black girls have far less racial undertones than IR scenes with black males. Thank gawd for that! I even hate that "white boy" crap. His name is Joe, Mark, Pete...not fucking "white boy". 5. "And us white men are only good for our money, we can't fuck like the brothers can...that is what alot of white women will say...." Huh? I know what I said in my first point but I just gotta say this: Dude, wherever you live GET THE FUCK OUT OF THERE ASAP. I happen to be a white guy too and I've never heard shit like that from a white girl. I even kinda think/hope that chicks like Valerie Luxe or Tori Black who seem to subscribe to a theory that darker skin color somehow makes a man more skilled at entering his penis into a vagina are just trying to appeal to a certain crowd. I mean, they just can't be that ignorant, can they? Oh and to answer the OP's question: Yes, I think that black women should boycott the AVN. Everyone should boycott AVN, it's a big fucking joke anyway. Also, Aryana, any black man who "goes on set and says that his own preference isnt to work with a black woman first" is clearly a self-hating idiot. Heck, in your particular case any man, regardless of color, whose preference isn't to work with you is a moron.
True, but lets not say race has nothing to do with it overall. As long as white folks still control the mainstream entertainment industry overall, you know thats not true. The truth of good movies selling no matter the race is something we know is hidden away from folks in this industry overall, thats why they tyler perry. So its good we get that message out there. Got to start putting truths out there you know.
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Posted - Feb 23 2010 : 1:14PM
It's funny how all these Black Male Preformers jump on these threads and talk about the "Hot White Chick " that did their 1st IR with them, (Mr Marcus) But you never see them jump on the threads and rep the Black Women in porn.
I'm sorry Croc, I totally disagree that black female performers are somehow less attractive than what would be considered the standard for females in adult. Candace Von, Sincerre Lemmore, Alia, Wendy Breeze, Mz. Platinum, Angel Cummings -- that's just right off the top of my head. These are incredibly beautiful women, by anyone's standards. The issue is, there are fewer black women getting feature roles and high-profile roles in quality productions -- the very same problem as in mainstream Hollywood.
You know there are soooo many things that the black talent in this industry could do but honestly they prefer to out do one another versus working together. Soooo many things that can be done and I myself was more than willing to help but you know what ... its not worth it when they dont give a damn about themselves. So if they like the industry the way it is then keep going at it the way it is ... no need to complain and not do a damn thing about it. Just my 2 cents on the topic.
That is part of it, But we do support each other for the most part. We just need ya'll support as well. But you know what Im admiring you speaking your mind something we as balck performers doesnt do as much, so keep doing it I encourage everybody to state how ya'll feel.
The Best things In Life Are Chocolate 732 Posts 11/05
Posted - Feb 24 2010 : 3:25PM
Well my question is, do the black performers prefer to have a more black fanbase than a white fanbase? I have often wondered in entertainment if black entertainers somewhat roll thier eyes when they become popular among a more white fanbase. But in the end it is about making money right? I mean shit I love women of colour, find them hot and sexy. But I have sometimes wondered if they just take thier white fans at face value but appreciate it more often when they have black fans. Just a question i thought I would throw out there. Am I and other white fans who like black stars, looked down at do you think and laughed at by those black stars that we like in porn?
I'm sorry was that for me? I like them all, get that straight. And I've been there for a lot of the black women that have come into the business in the last 5 years. From Marie Luv to Aurora Jolie, recently I've been trying to get Jada Fire a toy contract with Doc Johnson. I brought girls to Playboy TV when we filmed Nooners (the live sex show I did with Dee). I was one of the first dudes to press for our own awards show and pushed to make it happen, so I feel I got the right to jump on any thread and say whatever the fuck I feel like when I feel like saying it. That said...black female performers feel the same frustration that can be felt by anybody of color in this business, but you can also channel that frustration into success by following the examples of Diana Devoe, Heather Hunter, India, Nyomi Banxxx, Pinky, Marie Luv, Jada Fire, Misty Stone, Sinnamon Luv, Midori or any other girl who makes her own rules. And I think that's the difference, fuck industry standards, I think they're low if ya ask me, I'm all about raising the bar pushing and breaking the rules of a standard that's kinda dated if it can't appreciate what black female performers bring to this industry.
I get what your saying, and can see your frustation even from the outside looking in. I think the willingness to work together to some extents are there though. I see respect being shown and some "love" being giving among certain performers and producers in the business. I mean I wish it were bigger and more widespread, but overall I "think" it's generally there. It just looks like so many are concentrating so hard on getting and keeping their feet inside the door, that they sometimes miss what's in front of them or right around them. I do know "some" would like to close that gap among the black folks in the industry.
In my opinion I would they wouldnt care if you were green or blue in race. They simply want to be treated the same as the white performers in the business. Its as if AVN doesnt take a look at the black performers etc for their magazines or shows especially the awards. Its very hard and rare for a black performer to win AVN awards etc because the people doing the ratings etc really do not look at the black material not to mention that most of the black material is ghetto and less appealing to people in which that of course is something my people need to change. The quality of the material means a lot. My opinion of course ... no one has to agree.
Very true, you have many who are scared to lose their spots due to a more qualified person. I wont mention any names or anything but most of these guys do not even know how to properly operate their cameras, lighting, etc. They just happen to have a camera and know someone who can put them on. Then when someone more qualified comes around they meet them and refuse to put them on because they fear their light will be stolen ... Im a prime witness to this as I have showed and helped others calling themselves directors or cameramen how to operate their camera, informing them what the iris does, what the benefits of manual operation is versus auto, how to properly white balance a camera etc. I could go on, its shameful, they wont take the help and work together, they simply try to keep you out of the picture. In regards to them being willing to work together ... to a degree I agree but the blacks tear each other down more than anything so they get nothing done. The partying, drinking, smoking, and fuckin is far more important than executing a serious business plan.
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Posted - Feb 24 2010 : 8:29PM
Yey i agree ike kinda like when someone tells a black woman not to do scenes with black men as a business decision..but unfortunately the plan doesn't work out. The business plan doesn't get executed and it fails, dissin ya own not gonna take you to for, i agree. Ike fact is you are not eating off anothers table, they don't have to work with you. You shouldn't hate on the next man hustling. If you black like me a lot us know how to hustle...I know so many brothas out in these streets grinding. If that qualified person doesn't have any connects or cant create connect, hustle his way to the top...its his own fault. In these economic times ain''t no time to put your race on, and "help" each other out. 4get all this cry baby shiii.If you can't tell porn is dying bruh, shit its the battle royal every man/woman for themselfz. get yourz and get out.
I wish I could agree with some of what you said there but I dont. Hustlin is for the street niggas not business professionals and that is part of the problem right there. Now I assume you heard or got word that my lady was not going to do black males which is very true ... however I made the decision to not shut the door on the entire black side of the business but shut the door in regards to the black males she works with. If I do not think you are a clean cut brother, or someone who respects the women, you arent well groomed, or shoot hood themes ... she will not work with you. So believe me the plan is still in effect and going well I might ad. I got her signed with LA Direct because I know he doesnt deal or do business with the lower tier of the industry shooting what I would consider hood material. That is whats dying in the industry because there is no way up from shooting hood material. Look all over the net and anywhere if your shit is ghetto that is where you remain, that is your fan base and those are the same people who do not purchase porn, they download it free yet the ghetto material is still shot and cats talking about keepin it hood or real and not selling out etc, but those same people the hood material is being shot for are the same people not purchasing the hood material. Real talk niggas dont buy porn. I could debate this topic all night with whomever but in the end nothing will change cause for one niggas dont seriously understand business and they only look out for number 1. But here is a little home work for you ... name one major corporation that is successfully ran by 1 person. Let me give you something to think about while you ponder that question ... none ... every major corporation is made up of partners who work together ... commonly referred to as Board Members. They come together the become successful not hate on one anothers ability to do something better. They work together and build an empire. Look at Bang Bros and Reality Kings they have taken over the net and stole it from all the little cats out there hustlin and not using real business sense.
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Posted - Mar 1 2010 : 9:47AM
Come on Brotha let's can all this "Nigga" stuff!! We can all have a grown conversation with out all the "Nigga this and Nigga that". I'll say it again this thread is about Black Female Performers that haven't been recognized for the work that they put out. Edited by - jni1973 on 3/1/2010 9:49:59 AM
Codi bryant is a great talent. Incredible body and delivers great scenes. One of the best bodies in porn imo. She should be up there with all the other great new white talent imo.
Yeah my girl is hot too 100% ALL NATURAL 34F ... Alia Starr ... Does great scenes but only one month new to the business but she got a nice buzz created about her already. Check her out here in her very first scene for Reality Kings Big Naturals ... http://www.bignaturals.com/big-boobs-video/Alia-Starr/what-a-surprise.htm Edited by - Ike Sanders on 3/1/2010 2:56:35 PM [mod edit: pic deleted. no genitalia. review image policy before you post pics again.] Edited by - savoy on 3/2/2010 1:08:52 AM
I like most of the points that were made but how about the fact that some of the girls mentioned are no one to be compared to the like of Heather Hunter, Jada Fire or Sinnamon Love. I definitely think Quality plays into it, the quality of the work you do gets you far. People still talk about girl like Dominique Simone and Heather hunter because of the good scenes they had. A few of the girls now haven't done "Great" scenes.
Yeah I hear ya and the times back then are not the same as the times of now. Lots of more racism is now in the business a whole lot more now than ever before. It was like a club back in those days and now its primarily big business and race has stuck its ugly head up as it always do. Many of these girls arent given the chance or the opportunity and a lot of it is based on how they come into the industry, who they have shot with company as well as talent, how the are represented, who represents them etc the list goes on. Its a shame but things can be turned around but it takes serious action for anything to take effect and since it appears no one seeks to band together to get it done ... the results will just be more of the same.
Actually Ike there was probably more racism then than now against black female talent. Strides have been made but in the past there was more than today. Todays black female performers have it a little bit easier than those of years gone by. Several years ago Derek wouldnt have probably represented your girl. Remember he turned down Jada at first. Michael Edited by - pornlaw on 3/2/2010 2:11:05 AM
Hey Mike ... well that is a good response however I look at how it was back then when there wasnt an agency being born everyday, there wasnt a new company being born everyday, they were not looking for that new 18 year old everyday it was pretty much underground stuff. With it being that limited, you had black stars like Sean Michaels, Mr. Marcus, Angel Kelley, Jeannie Pepper, Julian St. Jox, Heather Hunter, Dominique Simone and a host of many others, those times there werent many people even as open to doing porn as there are now, so there wasnt much racism then as there is now. Not saying there wasnt any, just saying there wasnt as much, the companies then were just happy to have someone regardless of race willing to do porn ... now days there is a porn star being born the moment she turns 18. I remember growing up young as hell watching this stuff only because I found a shady old man willing to sell me the stuff I was only like 14 lmao. In fact there is a whole story to that which is the reason I got into porn anyways lol, but thats my point of view of it ... if Im wrong then so be it but from how I seen it then on up to now ... I think its far worse now than it ever was. There was no Derek then, there was Jim South and he represented them all. You had a guy like Jake Steed stealing the show not too long after, I remember when Cuba Demone and Jake Steed came to STL to shoot. Cuba still lives in East STL last time I spoke with him. They were doing it man ... now ... it aint happening.
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Posted - Mar 2 2010 : 7:38PM
Ike is making no sense.
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Posted - Mar 2 2010 : 9:11PM
Dude you have a problem with white girls. For one thing IR forums do talk about alot IR but not black on black. To tell you the ture I am not into dark skin woman but I do have them as friend don't don't dated them. Also you look at Hollywood and they will cast mostly light skin woman like Hallie Berry and Beyonce. You know India Arie is overlook by Beyonce because she is dark skin and Beyonce is more light skin. Pluse alot of rapper and r&b singer used light, and white woman in there video now that dark skin woman. Well if a light skin girl enter porn then she would be big because she is close to a white woman. That is why black woman can't get head of the white woman in porn. Edited by - Master D on 3/3/2010 5:51:22 AM
Try reading it again and hopefully it will begin to make sense to you if not I can only assume its an interpretation issue or you simply not being able to read what I state in the manner in which its being stated or maybe you just do not know what I am speaking of IDK but if its not making sense to you then ... I can only say leave it alone then.
Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08
Posted - Mar 3 2010 : 6:06AM
Ike does not know what he is talking about. Ike was 11 when Angel Kelly shot her LAST scene in 1991. In 1991, I had been spending money on porn and informing myself about the industry for 11 years. By 1991, I had met more pornstars than the number of porn flicks Ike had seen. By 1991, the handful of Black pornstars remaing in the industry were open about racism as they had been speaking about it for years. The VCR revolution helped open things up for black pornstars in about 1984. By 1989, for whatever reasons, the industry shut down opportunities for black performers and only a few (count on one hand) black pornstars were getting a small amount of work of any kind. Things did not begin to open back up for black pornstars until the so-called amateur (and pro-am) era in the 90s. Edited by - bootymeister on 3/3/2010 6:09:47 AM
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Posted - Mar 3 2010 : 6:07AM
Boycott the AVN? All pornstars, except for those who are part of the small "AVN in crowd", should boycott the AVN. Black pornstars, have never had enough of a presence in the AVN to effectively boycott the AVN on their own. Edited by - bootymeister on 3/3/2010 6:14:04 AM Edited by - bootymeister on 3/3/2010 6:16:21 AM
lmao I was actually 13 however I was a child yes and very much into porn ... the viewing of it that is. No I had not met any porn stars or done any thorough homework on the porn industry at that time but I decided I wanted to get into the porn scene at 14 ... of course I wasnt old enough lol. Anyways I can admit that I was too young at the time to really know what was going on at that time in regards to racism in the business or even the business as a whole for that matter, however what I stated was only from what I thought and knew about the business at that time which wasnt much. I wouldn't bet my life or money on what I stated as anyone can be wrong. Just stating my opinion is all hope that wasnt a crime. However I still believe there is more racism now in the business versus how it was then. I have had a 1 on 1 sit down with Jeannie Pepper only a couple of years ago and got her take on the business as it was then as to where it is now. So I will conclude by saying hey, what one person thinks or feels may not be the same for another.
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Posted - Mar 4 2010 : 4:43PM
Dude you have a problem with white girls. For one thing IR forums do talk about alot IR but not black on black. To tell you the ture I am not into dark skin woman but I do have them as friend don't don't dated them. Also you look at Hollywood and they will cast mostly light skin woman like Hallie Berry and Beyonce. You know India Arie is overlook by Beyonce because she is dark skin and Beyonce is more light skin. Pluse alot of rapper and r&b singer used light, and white woman in there video now that dark skin woman. Well if a light skin girl enter porn then she would be big because she is close to a white woman. That is why black woman can't get head of the white woman in porn. Edited by - Master D on 3/3/2010 5:51:22 AM [/quote] If I have a problem with white girls then defiantly you have a problem with being BLACK. You must really HATE YOURSELF AND YOUR RACE. It's a shame when some one like you jumps on a thread about Black Women and all you can say is that DARK SKIN BLACK WOMEN are not attractive!! You’re a brainwashed UNCLE TOM!!
question is do you think the ones nominated for the avn awards deserve to win? if you say yes then the point is mute. You wanna make avn look stupid spend money on black girl movies. This racial shit is old already. You all want porn of all things to stand up for the down trodden, thats stupid porn is all about the dollar until that changes nothing will. its not about black and white or even pink and purple but the green. debating over the wrongs or rights of this is just retentive already. If you were all serious all the performers should ban the AVN but you wouldnt make any money if ya did would you.
There is definitely racism in this industry. And sometimes I think black performers should flat out refuse to be represented by/work for those who don't treat them with respect and offer them the same attention, pay and other benefits offered to white performers. Certain demands should be made -- after all, this industry needs African American performers, so there should not be this blatant lack of respect and appreciation. Sean Michaels refuses to play roles that depict certain racial stereotypes that he feels are harmful and/or degrading to African Americans. It's probably cost him work, but he's built a career that's been more successful and has lasted longer than most performers, of any race.
^^^That's just one side of the coin, Nica. Take Justin Slayer International for example. The studio is owned by a black man and all their directors are black. They use black males exclusively, but when it comes to female talent, they use mostly non-black girls. No white owned studio acts in such a racist way, and that's a fact. Also, there are black directors who pay white girls IR (higher than usual) rates to work with black guys. Why don't they just refuse to hire "sisters" instead? Because they don't give a fuck about black women, that's why! To quote pornlaw "...black women are not even prized no less respected by black men... if a black man doesnt value and exhalt the sexuality of a black woman why do you expect a bunch of white guys...to do so?"
Actually I don't think anything you mentioned there is "fact" in any way, shape, or form. Almost every black female performer I've seen within the last few years were featured in a JSP or with JS directly. I find that statement, and certainly the one about no white-owned studio acting in a racist way, laughable.
Well I think there's just this weird perception that certain things won't sell; it's a self-perpetuating belief. It's a problem in mainstream Hollywood too, but it's been disproven in mainstream so many times that they've had no choice but to become somewhat less racist. But porn seems to be the last bastion for some incredibly offensive ideologies, and these ideologies are allowed to thrive because, well, they're allowed to thrive! I produce movies that feature black female performers in starring roles (in both g/g and b/g scenes) and the fans react positively and enthusiastically to the women in these roles - no exceptions. When I cast Candace Von in a movie a few years ago the fans went completely crazy, like "WHO IS SHE, PLEASE GET HER BACK!!!" So I don't see much evidence to support the pervasive belief that movies featuring black women are somehow less likely to sell. Again, I think it's a racist belief that many have taken at face value and are too afraid to challenge. And I think African-American producers have been told the same thing; that only interracial will sell. There's so little real market research done in porn, it's all just anecdotal evidence and word of mouth, so people are always panicking, always afraid to take a chance. That's why porn is so stagnant.
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jni1973 Deactivated User
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Posted - Mar 8 2010 : 10:50AM
You do have a point but race still has a lot to do with it. By the way, Racism is only old to those who are not affected by it.
They will never give blacks there due. Oh....your good enough to be fucked by some old white dude and degraded and then that product is sold and they make money off of it. Yeah,your good enough for that but anything else go to the back of the bus. It wasnt always the case but there are a LOT of gorgeous black woman who do porn and are not lame. I just saw a scene when there were two couples in the movie and the black performers(very well known)were SOOOO much better looking than there white counterparts. The black female was banging. Look at how you guys allow yourselves to be degraded....... You being marketed as "niggers" by these racist people...its in the title of the movie!!!! And you expect some kind of equality? Your out of your fucking mind. Wake up. Mr.Marcus is right...get your own award show...... Im going to be honest here and I hope I dont offend anyone but fuck it..... The power of black dick is whats making money for these racists..... Thats whats so fucked up about the situation....the THIRST for black dick in interacial titles is really what is driving the porn world and you dont even profit from it they do! You are being pimped out and played out. Thats the reality of it.
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Posted - May 9 2010 : 9:17AM
Just for the record at Justin Slayer International - We've have shot white male merformers and Our directors are NOT all Black. But I don't see why that is important.
Yeah but as much as I love to watch your movies you guys don't put a lot of Dark Skin Black Women in you movies. You did back when you first came out but now it's all Latin, Light Skin, and white girls. Put out a hot all Chocolate Black series and then get back to me.
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Posted - May 11 2010 : 4:30PM
Well they have see that sale and don't sale. Pluse they have an white dircetor who does white-white porn to get a new fans. It called marketing.
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