For context it would be helpful to know the date of this Hirsch interview. I can't imagine it's recent and descriptive of the current state of affairs.
By all means, "her body her choice", she doesn't have to do anything she doesn't want to and I'm not some insane psychopath who's going to kidnap her and a black guy and force them to get it on on camera, but that doesn't mean I don't have the 1st Amendment right to call her out and call her character into question when it seems as if "her choice" is to avoid sleeping with black men on camera for an unknown and potentially racist reason. Deep down, it admittedly has more to do with my frustration that I'll never see her in a scene with one of the biggest dicks in porn than my frustration at the possibility that she is continuing to perpetuate racism, but I don't mind drawing attention to the latter as a small side benefit to those who suffer discrimination.
I wouldn't even have a problem with her dodging if it was just that she finds sex with especially well-hung actors painful, there's nothing less sexy to me than watching an actress grimace through a scene who is seemingly just counting the seconds until it's finally over (Alicia Williams' scene with Sly Diggler for Blacked being a perfect example), but Kiara has done scenes with some fairly well endowed white actors before and doesn't appear to be struggling to take their full length at all, so I doubt that's the issue.
Clearly that one poster who responded that this is just Mandingo fetishism on my part didn't bother or didn't care to read my post about this being purely about the size of their junk and not their skin tone or ethnicity- if the biggest dicks in porn were mostly attached to Asian or Latino men, I certainly would be just as annoyed with Kiara Cole for actively avoiding those stars if she was also doing it for discriminatory reasons. As far as I know though, most female pornstars haven't developed a reputation for avoiding scenes with men of those races, and meanwhile I am following a couple of black male pornstars that have complained several times in the recent past about female stars who actively avoid working with them and others of their shared race, which makes the issue actually real and not just a hypothetical one for the sake of argument. Then this poster posted an obviously racist interview with a white producer for Vivid (an intensely lame, cheesy, and outdated production company that has hardly released a scene worth watching in the last 20 years) who seems to be inferring that black people smell worse and have poorer hygiene than people of other races. That speaks for itself right there, so I'm done addressing that guy from here on out.
My words were also twisted by the guy who said I wanted to see sex with minors, which is not true because I don't, but I do want to see scenes with women who are of age who sometimes (not always) look like minors. You act like I'm the only guy with that fetish too, do you not remember that at one point there was one porn video series titled "Young As They Cum", and another called "Barely Legal"? Let me repeat, I have no interest in viewing video of underage girls engaged in illegal pornography, but I see nothing wrong with enjoying porn featuring girls of legal age that look younger than that, and I'm far from alone in that preference. If you prefer more mature women in your porn, that's fine, but you don't have to be a judgemental ass and try to pretend that I'm some kind of sexual predator for having a preference for girls that look slightly younger, especially when a lot of other guys have the same preference (whether they will admit to it or not).
Finally, I took "mattress actress" from one female pornstar's own description on her Twitter page (can't remember which one now, it was years ago) because it just sounds funny to me, if you think it's cringeworthy you can blame her, whoever she was.
In public when you're the only one responsible for what you say yes , on whatever board when the webmaster is as responsible as you are for what you say then no , you're not free to put anybody else at legal risk for what you say , the first amendment doesn't grant you or anybody else that right.
Every board has a policy each member must accept when subscribing and there are moderators exactly to prevent that other than maintain the board a viable place where people can discuss of course. A board is not a public place even when it's open to the public
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This is completely unrelated with what you said before , it is meant to clarify a common misconception , a public board is not a public space
If you have any doubt ask to a moderator , I'm not one of those, this is just common sense coming from decades spent over the internet on many boards
Edited by - LCF on 10/16/2021 6:42:02 AM
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Posted - Oct 16 2021 : 8:42AM
This post is filled with rapey tendencies. Not good!
I like porn and the Golden Age of Porn 1947 Posts 9/21
Posted - Oct 16 2021 : 9:12AM
WTF? Are you high? what the hell are you talking about? I'm telling you how business works. You guys push women on here to do anal all time I don't know many posts I have seen of you people telling women to do anal or they'll stop watching them. Saying the same thing about women losing out on money for not doing anal. Stop being so fucking hyperbolic on this issue and what I said. I'm done talking about this in general. Come here talk about porn and the porn industry, not to talk about race issues and/or political issues. This place is starting to become Twitter. Can we not..
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1976 Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 16 2021 : 10:05AM
^ I'm certainly not one of the "you guys"
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uxpxytt Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 16 2021 : 11:37AM
Yeah. He's got major issues for sure. Of course when confronted with it, people like this dude lash out, like he'll probably do in the reply to my comment right here lol
^ Come on, that's just baiting. Almost everyone would feel the need to say something when you say "this guy's got issues".
The past two days have become a shit show in this thread because of one post, about a girl being racist, and that original poster has since conceded that he went too far. How about we all get this ship back on course?
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Posted - Oct 16 2021 : 12:53PM
Thanks I like said I'm just going to ignore conversations like this in the future on here. People have their feelings and bais on the subject here and it's not worth trying to change anybody's mind or see a different view.
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uxpxytt Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 16 2021 : 4:06PM
Alright, mister. How about a rule that girls not be labelled a racist for not having done a scene with a black man or won't in their career. That's a small ask, don't you think? I mean you say that pornstars apparently read these, so that's nothing short of bullying, don't you think?
Yeah I consider this matter settled. Drop it and move on folks. If you have further suggestions for moderation, use the "Message Moderators" function.
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Posted - Oct 17 2021 : 5:22AM
Why would I? I don't live in the US. What you need to get over is that things exist wether you don't want them to or not. Cancel culture is real and you can find examples of it on the news every day. Just look at what Disney is doing with its old classics. There is no reason why it couldn't happen in porn either.
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Posted - Oct 17 2021 : 7:56AM
Who would want to see a scene similar to the three on three with Cadence Lux, Khloe Kapri and Karla Kush? That is among my favorite scenes ever shot on Blacked Raw.
I like both those girls but in general still think bgg are not good. A bbgg would be better. I think it also looks better with similar girls. They should have paired another redhead with Lottie. The mix matching hair color threesomes just feels random. One other thing if it is Lottie, what are they doing? Her Blacked debut was a group scene and her Blackedraw debut may be a threesome as well. What? Debut these girls in a one on one and then do the group scene later.
Yep. It's a great shame that they've abandoned the aesthetic appeal of their sites. Instead of symmetry and consistency, we get confusion and disorder. They seem to believe that putting mismatched pairs of women in scenes will appeal to more people. Either that, or they simply don't care. The result is a product that is unreliable and only consistent in its inconsistency.
^ I think the mismatching has more to do with starpower and the ability to carry a scene. A lot of the recent pairings seem to be a patchwork of trying to make something work by pairing a strong second female performer with one that cannot hold her own in a solo scene. That's how I'm seeing it anyway, there's been a complete, total lack of appeal in some cases.
^ Maybe that's their rationale in some cases. They did often pair an older head with a new face in the past on this site, e.g. Abigail Mac & Paige Owens or Riley Reid & Jane Wilde. But there was still respect for the aesthetic appeal and consistency of the content. They didn't pair Jane Wilde with Ana Foxxx or Paige Owens with Julie Cash or any other such random, contrasting pairings.
Now the casting feels like a ham-fisted attempt to hit every target demographic without any regard for the specific appeal of each scene or the broader consistency of their content.
For example, I really like Eliza Ibarra and I've warmed to Charlotte Sins since her debut. But their scene had really very little appeal to me because the two of them together just doesn't strike the right chord. Same with their scene on Slayed. Whereas Eliza Ibarra and Emily Willis (on Blacked) or Eliza and Ariana Marie (on Vixen)... that's more like it. And they could've found plenty of more compatible scene partners for Charlotte Sins. Jessie Saint could've been a good one, who they bizarrely chose to pair with Lacey London on Blacked.
Same goes for the Stefany Kyler & Apolonia Lapiedra scene. They're opposite in practically every way. Newbie / veteran. Fair skin / brown skin. Dark brunette / dyed blonde. Hazel eyes / brown eyes. They're even from complete opposite ends of Europe. And they bizarrely did the same thing for Vixen, pairing Stefany with Baby Nicols. That's no coincidence. They're actively choosing mismatched pairs.
This kind of mix and match casting might work occasionally, with surprising results, but it's practically every group scene now. If there are two hot blondes, brunettes or redheads; a couple of really fair-skinned beauties; a couple of new faces; a pair of spinners or whatever that you are hoping might be paired together in a scene, then you should just forget about it because it's not going to happen. They don't want to do it.
If Lana Rhoades & Leah Gotti were around today, they'd be paired with Vicki Chase or Cecilia Lion instead. That classic Rachel James, Sydney Cole & Elsa Jean 6-some would be Scarlit Scandal, Violet Starr and Aria Lee. or something.
Everything that was consistent, high quality and groundbreaking about these sites has been wilfully eroded.
An ideal pairing for me would be Stefany Kyler & Liya Silver
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Posted - Oct 20 2021 : 7:24PM
Well, there's always a method to the madness. These pairings are seen across all porn sites. The underlying reason is that they get the main talent (who charges more) and pair them with a cheaper talent in order to budget for the overall cost of the scene. They say Greg did it would have certainly cost more, but then he would have probably had more customers, so that would even out I guess.
But the recent types of pairing are clearly a way to cut costs. Also, the cross-site movie themed showcases are also a way to reduce the number of scenes you get as well as cut costs for the studio.
There is always a method to the madness. But the VMG group seems to have a bunch of diehard fans who will worship even the worst of content they put out. As long as these fans stick around, the folks have VMG really have nothing to worry about and no incentive to improve.
We have many of those worshippers right here on this forum.
What happened to blacked.com, vixen.com, and sister sites?? They used to have such beautiful models. Now I feel a lot of them are older looking and run down. Is it because Greg Lansky left? He seemed to hire the most beautiful actresses.
^^^ Yes, Lanksy leaving is the biggest change. There are probably other factors as well. I can't recall when they changed the layout where the blur went from an image to a blur video. I think right around that time I think there was less emphasize on the reveal. At one point there was the exclusive tag and they got rid of that. Its also why they do stuff like debut girls in threesomes or when they get a girl like Kenzie Anne the exclusivity was super brief and they didnt even showcase her much. She was cast just like any other performer they use.
"Older looking and run down" aren't exactly the terms I would say usually apply, but it is very obvious that Lansky had a much better eye for real beauty and hotness.
^ I agree. Either of these one on one would be great. It feels like some time since we had some hot stark contrast between performers. One on one of Lottie and Freddy would have been hot.They have had a lot of tan girls across both sites and the other euro guys arent that dark. This feels like a misstep.
It's absolutely a misstep. If you asked their subscribers or any porn fan which of the performers on their Euro roster that they would like to see in a scene together, Talia Mint and Lottie Magne would be pretty much nowhere to be seen among the suggestions. Talia Mint & Sybil? Talia Mint & Liya Silver? Talia Mint & Stacy Cruz? Lottie Magne & Jia Lissa? Lottie Magne & Ella Hughes? Lottie Magne & Scarlett Jones? They're intent on fumbling these scenes these days, and their sites have lost a great deal of their appeal because of this lack of direction.
That's great and all but Talia Mint is supermodel beautiful. Is she a big name? No. Let's see what the scene brings and, if the enthusiasm and whatnot is no good, so be it. If another BGG ruins it for you, so be it. I will manner day no to late Talia.
Talia Mint is well-known outside of the hardcore scene, as are a lot of the Euro models that have only recently been 'discovered'. She already had one scene for Blacked that was intense as hell and quite frankly was a pleasant surprise given her background. As you say, she is supermodel beautiful and given her past performance it was a huge mistake for them to... 'dilute' the scene by pairing her with Lottie. Talia can carry a scene on her own extremely easily but instead they've served up an instant skip with a very beautiful model who isn't cast all that often. This is the core problem, with all the repeat and overuse (in some cases) of subpar talent they choose to burn a scene with Talia by sharing the spotlight instead of giving it solely to her.
Just saw Sia lust's scene. It was a fake creampie, what massive letdown.. 😑
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Posted - Oct 23 2021 : 2:36AM
I agree with your point . I would have too wished they released separate BG scenes with Lottie and Talia instead of bringing them together into one scene . Don't mistake me I love BGG genre but some pairings like this makes the scene less interesting to watch since the chemistry sometimes doesn't work
Anyone want to take a stab at who the next update will be? I'm not optimistic about it already, her riding skills seem subpar (I hate the ones that lean to one side or the other in CG), and her face seems a bit more mature than I prefer
I sure agree about the "leaning" cowgirl. It is pointless and stupid looking. Why is she looking backwards? They should be kissing and looking at one another.
^ Because the camera is behind them and porn has an obsession with showing the girl's face at all times, which end up making the scenes a lot less authentic. It is also why you have, in a lot of porn scenes, the guy leaning to the side during doggystyle/missionary (so the camera can get a shot of the dick going in and out of the pussy). I hate it, but can't escape it.
Posted - Oct 15 2021 : 1:12PM
