Some updates: I am sorry that I forgot Don Houston was banned from ADT. I first reported to B. Skow that there was a missing BTS in my Brand New Faces #13 on 10/28/2008 And since it was mentioned, check out Brand New Faces #16 dated 03/07/2009 This pattern has continued and I finally had enough with my Brand New Faces #22 dated 12/01/2009 I had a heated telephone conversation with B. Skow and he promised to get to the bottom of this. I urge B. Skow to give us his feelings on this matter here on ADT. I hope that Vivid checks this out and fixes the problem. Yes, it took Hustler awhile, but they did fix the problem. No, it didn't take Patrick Collins long to fix a similar problem and he offered a $5.00 off coupon for next purchase and invited some ADT reviewers to his Studio and even included some of their suggests in his BTS and movies. Elegant Angel issued a very nice Press Release also. I wonder how Vivid will handle this. Vivid, fix the problem! Den
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Dec 16 2009 : 6:39PM
I have had a thread on here since July asking if there was any problems please let me know. It has over 5000 hits on it, not one from you. People complained about the commercials up front, we changed it, people complained about not being able to skip thru the commercials, we changed it, people complained about the boxcovers, we changed it. No one, and i mean no one single person mentioned that there was something missing in the extras, except you. I understand how important this is to you, and as I stated in earlier posts, it was nothing intentional, I am sure just an authoring blip, it would be just as easy for us to take it out completely and take it off the box as it would be to fix it and include it, it is an extra, something free, something we throw in as a bonus. You never called me, you never wrote to me, you never posted on the thread that says VIVID. Yesterday is the first i heard of it. I will look into and if it is something we need to fix, we will fix it, as we have always done.
^ It's NOT just Den! Many people, if not all (except one), don't bitch about every little deceptive practice, false box cover claim and missing extras on DVDs, because we know this is par-for-the-course for many companies. Especially when we know the companies involved -- and their hard-earned reputations for doing exactly the things Den is complaining about. Den is one of the stand-up guys I have had the pleasure of dealing with, when it comes to our reviewing and documenting the porn industry. And, for what? To be attacked for telling the truth? This isn't about Den! You're not going to "win friends and influence people," at least in my book, trying to throw it back at Den.
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Posted - Dec 16 2009 : 7:14PM
I don't complain to Den, and I did not post any comment in the other Vivid thread, as much of what I was thinking was clearly and eloquently stated by others. And basically all Hollywood wanted to hear was positive comments and that "detractors" as he calls them would come back to the Vivid fold. So that does NOT mean that IF you did NOT post in the thread that your opinion NO longer counts or does not have any further relevance. If you heard the comments and found some pertinence and that prompted Vivid to change things, I supposes that's a positive signal.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Dec 16 2009 : 7:50PM
I replied earlier that it is an oversight. I would look into it, as I am doing. It has nothing to do with throwing it back on Den, it has to do with the fact that I came on here 6 months ago and asked everyone to please give me feedback, Den never did. That is a fact. Vivid is not a company known for deceiving anyone, our product stands on it's own merits and i took pride in the fact that I came on here and got things resolved quickly that people had issues with. I did not know this was an issue until yesterday when Don Houston told me about it. BTW, Don is one of our harshest critics and he did not think it was such a big deal. I never said anything disparaging about Den. i merely pointed out the fact that he had an opportunity to bring this up right here and never did. No one attacked him. We are looking into it right now, and again it was unintentional, I'm sorry it happened, but it would be fair to let me get the Vivid side of the story first, find out what happened and fix it accordingly. I have welcomed all comments, good or bad, and did my best to resolve them.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Dec 16 2009 : 7:58PM
I not sure i quite follow you. I did not want to hear only positive comments, I clearly stated that if there was something you don't like, let me know. If you read through the thread plenty of people did let me know what they did not like. We immediately changed those things. The only reason anyone came back was because of the corrections I said we would make, were made. Vivid has been a punching bag for plenty of people on this site, I really wanted to change that. I feel we have headed in a new, positive direction and the reviews proves it. What is even more impressive are the people that really were done with Vivid who came back after watching our new product.
I don't know what anyone else could ask for here. From what I've seen, Woody has been good to his word about looking into things and trying to get them fixed for people (i.e., being able to skip the ads, etc.) His willingness to be decent about criticism and make corrections is above and beyond what I would expect from a company that is responding to complaints on a message board. I think that the level of interaction and concern has been refreshing, quite honestly. Woody's also right about the quality of Vivid films--everything with Nikki Jayne and / or by B. Skow recently has been excellent. A lot of the other stuff has, too--not all of it--but a good amount.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Dec 16 2009 : 8:22PM
Just as an aside, Den seems like a really good guy who cares about the industry. I admire that. I can't fix something i don't know about. Our General Manager is looking into his concerns right now and i will have an answer tomorrow at the latest. I welcome any and all comments that will help make Vivid a better product. Sorry if I came off too harsh. it is a little frustrating after awhile. Please understand, no matter what we do, we can't please everyone. We went to harder boxes, with clearer images on the back, most people loved it, some did not. We put more sex in the movies with longer scenes, some were upset there isn't more story. When we had more story we are accused of being to soft and not having enough sex. It is a fine balance. I really feel that we have a great product, the reviews have been very positive from customers and critics alike. Again there is the Vivid thread that is there to make comments and let us know what you want. I got B Skow on the thread. Please feel free to leave a comment. Thanks for your support.
Jacco- what catalog do you purchase for? Forgive me for my ignorance as I should know that. I hope our X-Play movies are in your catalog and if not how do we get in? Not the Bradys XXX Marcia Marcia Marcia was the #1 seller this year in the Adam & Eve Catalog until that movie series got banned because Cindi Brady looks too young. To anybody: Why is Don Houston banned from ADT?
Does anyone at Vivid read reviews? I started complaining in reviews on 10/28/2008. Does Vivid have a Quality Control Department? Has ANYBODY at Vivid ever taken a DVD home and looked at movie and the Boxcover? I started sending emails about this 8 months ago? This has been going on too long! I notice when I say great things about Vivid (And give them trophies) you love it and you write glowing things about it. Now I am the bad guy? I hope you spend time fixing the problem and quit crying about it and blaming the messenger! I am sorry that you seem to think that because another reviewer says it is no big deal to lie on a boxcover then it is okay with you. I am surprised to see that you consider BTS is an extra, something free, something we throw in as a bonus. It is not a single isolated time. Looking forward to your report. I don't know if I am more mad about the boxcover lies, or the fact that Vivid didn't even know about it! Wow! Den
Jeff, I pick products for our company, Your Choice, we do mail order catalogues and have a webshop, amongst other things. And, no we don't have your movies, or at least not many of them. You can email me if you want to know how to get in. Jacco
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Posted - Dec 16 2009 : 11:51PM
This would be a perfect example of a misleading boxcover. You'd think that referencing a "Used back door" would indicate that the girl is a major anal whore. However, the box cover shows just a small vibe in her ass. On top of that, the vendor categorizes this movie as oral. As far as Vivid and Howard are concerned, I've been very impressed with their offerings lately and also the effort shown to put out more appealing product. Over the past 15 years or so, I've avoided Vivid products like the plague, but more recently I've had the opportunity to review some of their releases for this site and I've been very impressed. Check out the reviews for the Shauna Sand Exposed, Brand New Faces 21, Cum for Me Nikki Jayne, and you'll find that Vivid has definitely picked it up a few notches. Edited by - rosco fuji on 12/17/2009 12:05:25 AM
the part that stands out to me is they removed the commmercials from the beginnings of videos after customers complained. i'm glad to know they listen to their customers, but it's also significant they did not know that is the worst place to put commercials.
I don't know what the big deal is, as said, I've bought many Vivid dvd's in the past and if I found out that the dvd does not deliver what it promises (BTS of which I'm a "fan" of etc), then I'll be sending it back after I watched it. It's my prerogative by law to do so on the European, national and municipel level. If you lie about your products in any way shape or form the the respective sections on non conformity of goods in the civil code will apply. And besides we are protected by communitarian European law that forbids such lying conduct about products. I know for a fact that on some european forum people are advising everybody that they should watch the vivid dvd's and then return them. We have to do it within 14 days. And Im talking about boards that have more than 60000 members (thus potential buyers). That's why you better know you're rights and privileges.Well now you know, my fellow Europeans. It's pretty typical that "woody" (a vivid affiliate) gives us a whole list of (recent) "fantastic" vivid titles, obviously with the sneaky intend to derail Den's issue. Please, don't do that. Some people like vivid movies (content wise), some don't. Period. I like some of them ( especially the ones with Stormy and Lil' Jenna), but if I do not get EVERYTHING that is promised to me by the box, then it goes back, pronto....that is after I watched it with a beer. It's as simple as that. And woody.....action speaks louder than words! You guys always seem to promise stuff and say you're gonna work on them, but I know that in 2 years everything in this regard will be the same as it always was: fake ass artwork and false promises. If you lie about your products you're OUT! And here is an important question for you, and please don't beat around the bush: What is the rationale, the fundamental reason to promise extra "spectacular" (BTS) scenes/material on the artwork of the dvd covers that can be found nowhere on the dvd? I am very curious what would be the explanation, because I can't think of another reason as to lure people, entice people, to quicker buy it. You were asking why nobody complained? I already told you that, because nobody thinks you'll do something about it. And 9/10 times nothing is done about it. You only get yet another promise that you would take care of the problem, LMAO. This part is especially funny: Quote Woody: no one single person mentioned that there was something missing in the extras, except you. I understand how important this is to you, and as I stated in earlier posts, =====it was nothing intentional, I am sure just an authoring blip, it would be just as easy for us to take it out completely and take it off the box as it would be to fix it===== A big money making company as Vivis knows EXACTLY what they do. Every little detail is thought about. How stupid do you think we are, sport? You're insulting a lot of peoples intelligence with that statement. You must think it's pretty easy to fool us "horny naive porno lovin' bastards", who will spend their saved money on the dvd with one of their favorite girls anyways, no? You should care about your honest paying customers: if you give crap, you will get crap (in this thread at least). Deal with it as a man, and don't be defensive or find excuses as a pussy.
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Posted - Dec 17 2009 : 9:27AM
I don't buy or rent Vivid movies. Have not seen one in a long time. I was there when Vivid first was founded with Ginger Lynn as its first contract star. I saw the evolution of Vivid first hand. Never liked Paul Thomas movies and never will. I mentioned the way Vivid used to market its 2-3-4 parter movies. You only care to mention what ratings Vivid titles get. This is NOT a rant. Adam Film World used to complain often about Vivid in its magazines (before the internet days), and what did that change over the years? All of a sudden it wants to change and make good and make everybody happy. I am not hung up on BTS as Den or others are, I really don't care about BTS, be it from Vivid or other companies and frankly even from Hollywood mainstream movies. I do care about the commercals/trailers adult and mainstream movies put at the beginning of the DVDs and that you can't skip over. It's like the loud commercials on your TV set, someone bullying/screaming at you into hearing or watching something you often do not want. I can't understand why companies are wish washy about a movie's running time on their box covers. With all the gadgets they have they can't figure out its running time? Now over the past few months companies do not even put the production date on back of the box cover. All they are now declaring (in 4-5 lines of script that you can't even read with a magnifying glass) is that they are in compliance. I want to know how old the movie is! Truth in advertising is something I VERY much care about and I singled out a few examples in my earlier post. When I see an anal-themed movie with 5 women, and only one or two perform anals, what do you call it? When you pick up a "teen" movie and 2-3 of the girls there are way past that age, what is it? And yes over the past few years there has been a lot of asians who play latinas and latinas who play asians. This does not have much to do with Vivid, we are just generalizing the ways adult companies market their product. Once you do that you degrade the product and irritate and disappoint the buying public. You do it often enough and as with all types of consumer goods, the consumer goes away and probably never returns. Sure, we all know and we have seen how smaller and sleazier outfits do that, but when a big company lends itself to that, then there is little justification and little reason to stick with them.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Dec 17 2009 : 12:22PM
Everyone at Vivid reads the reviews, I am sorry that I haven't seen your reviews of our product posted here. Yes Vivid has a quality control dept, but being human beings, some stuff slips by, which is completely different that doing something on purpose. Yes we do watch our movies. I think lies is an overstatement, perhaphs a mistake or oversight is the correct term. Never said you were the bad guy, in fact I said you were a good guy. Here is the report back from the general manager: Our art dept made some serious mistakes:
1) BNF 21 & 22 apparently they added Bonus Facials and Behind the Scenes without us requesting it, Bisco says the Art. Dept. acknowledged this. 2) Bisco said there are 2 features that are incorrect that are Vivid’s fault, so we should sticker, reprint those or at the least have the Art Dept. correct for re-orders. I don’t know what they are but I’ll find out. 3) There are many complaints on the forum accusing us of advertising “Positions Menus” but not including them. I’m not sure what this is about because every title I’ve looked at does have a Positions Menu. When Scene Selection is selected you have no choice but to navigate through the Positions Menu to play the scene out (Intro, BJ, Missionary, Doggie, Rev. Cowgirl or whatever the positions are and Cumshot) So there it is. It seems the thing you are complaining about is in there. Unless we missed something and you can tell me which title to check.
Bill Dellara General Manager Vivid Entertainment LLC.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Dec 17 2009 : 12:47PM
Quote; And woody.....action speaks louder than words! You guys always seem to promise stuff and say you're gonna work on them, but I know that in 2 years everything in this regard will be the same as it always was: fake ass artwork and false promises. HW; If you read some of the other peoples replies in this thread, I think you will find that you are incorrect. I have taken action in the last 6 months, which I will spare you the details as I have already stated in this thread what those are. If you lie about your products you're OUT! And here is an important question for you, and please don't beat around the bush: What is the rationale, the fundamental reason to promise extra "spectacular" (BTS) scenes/material on the artwork of the dvd covers that can be found nowhere on the dvd? HW; I have stated several times on this very thread, that there is no upside to any company advertising something they intentionally leave out. Therefore it isn't intentional on our part. If you read my reply to Den you will see the explanation. It was a mistake, mistakes can be corrected. We haven't been in business for 26 years by deceiving people. You were asking why nobody complained? I already told you that, because nobody thinks you'll do something about it. And 9/10 times nothing is done about it. You only get yet another promise that you would take care of the problem, LMAO. HW; If you look at the Vivid thread, and I say this again, I know I am repeating myself, but since you want to continue to say the same thing over and over, I will oblige you. There were plenty of complaints when I started that thread, every single complaint was address and corrected. Every single complaint was sent to Steven Hirsch, who promptly took action. Everything I promised, I did. Removed the commercials, changed the boxes, fixed the skip thru, so you are making false accusations. This part is especially funny: Quote Woody: no one single person mentioned that there was something missing in the extras, except you. I understand how important this is to you, and as I stated in earlier posts, =====it was nothing intentional, I am sure just an authoring blip, it would be just as easy for us to take it out completely and take it off the box as it would be to fix it===== A big money making company as Vivis knows EXACTLY what they do. Every little detail is thought about. How stupid do you think we are, sport? You're insulting a lot of peoples intelligence with that statement. You must think it's pretty easy to fool us "horny naive porno lovin' bastards", who will spend their saved money on the dvd with one of their favorite girls anyways, no? You should care about your honest paying customers: if you give crap, you will get crap (in this thread at least). Deal with it as a man, and don't be defensive or find excuses as a pussy. We are human beings, we make mistakes like everyone else. I think it is stupid to think we don't, not stupid to think that we do. We have never been in the business of fooling anyone, nor do I think that our customers are naive in anyway, as a matter of fact i think the average porn buyer is pretty intelligent and the avid collectors seem to be very savvy and some of the smartest people I have met. That's why it puzzles me why you are on a rampage and in attack mode. Most of your accusations are completely untrue. Everything that has been a contention with our customers, we have changed, read F UQ post, read Rosco Fujis post. I am not here to argue with you, I am here to help make Vivid a better product by listening to our buyers, that is what i have done, That is what I am doing. I hope this clears some things up for you.
Edited by - adt44 on 12/17/2009 6:52:29 AM [/quote] Edited by - hollywood woody on 12/17/2009 12:57:21 PM Edited by - hollywood woody on 12/17/2009 12:59:35 PM
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Dec 17 2009 : 12:54PM
I agree with you. 100%. I will say that the industry in general has come a long way since 1984. There is good and bad in all things. We really try to be the best in the business, that is all we can do. If we make a mistake, we clean up our side of the street. I really believe with all my heart, Vivid has been putting out great product, B Skow has been a tremendous addition and everyone who sees his stuff, loves it. Thanks for your comments.
I very rarely post my reviews on ADT. You can read my reviews on www.cavr.com You can find my reviews under the heading REVIEWS and then click on B and then scroll down to the Brand New Faces list. You do not need to use a search engine and do a lot of typing to find a review. Thanks for the report from your General Manager Bill Dellara. As per his request, please check out for missing BTS: BNF #13 BNF #16 BNF #17 BNF #21 BNF #22 Thanks, Den
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Dec 17 2009 : 1:52PM
This all stems back to our art dept, there was no request for any of that on those titles, we will sticker the boxes and change the artwork. Thanks for your input. Did you find the positions menu? He said it is in there.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Dec 17 2009 : 2:20PM
I doubt we will be doing a press release about something that was a mistake. We will correct it. Don't you think it is enough that I got to the bottom of the problem and was open and honest about it here? Do you think we should send out a press release stating that our art dept. made a mistake on those titles and we will be stickering the boxes and changing the verbage on the reprints? Bill checked the Bounce 2 for the positions, it is in there. If you need help finding it let me know. Edited by - hollywood woody on 12/17/2009 2:45:24 PM
I just want to say thanks for looking into the problems and hope that going forward they aren't replicated. Vivid isn't the only company doing this, I hope that other offenders follow this example.
the general impression i get is vivid is corporate porn. they may sometimes hire talented directors and performers, but the corporate influence is still there. i prefer porn by directors who run their own companies and put their own personal visions and desires into every release.
I didn't review Bounce 2, the other reviewer did. Maybe he just couldn't find it. You would have to ask him. Yes, thank you for fixing this 14 month on-going boxcover 'mistake'. Patrick Collins remains the only person I know of that issued a Press Release and turned an negative to a positive! And once again, I am glad you finally dug into it and found the problem and fixed it. Thanks. Den
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Dec 17 2009 : 6:30PM
Just for the record, let's review: The positions is in Bounce 2, unlike the person accused us of by saying it was not there. In the Brand new Faces our artist put something that was not supposed to be on the box, on the box, which was an honest mistake, and we have fixed that problem by stickering the boxes and changing the new ones with the correct verbage. I would just like to point out that all this wasn't a lie or a deception, it was an honest mistake. Also there was no mistake made on Bounce 2 with the Positions room. Just for the record.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Dec 17 2009 : 6:43PM
If someone accuses you of something that is not right, won't you defend yourself? We are being called liars and cheats, when we are anything but that. So I am not allowed to find out the truth and respond?
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Dec 17 2009 : 7:18PM
Oh sorry. i agree. I am used to it. I knew when i came on here, I was wearing a target on my back. Which is ok. I know that plenty of people know that I have taken extreme action to get many problems resolved. I think that is what counts. The product is better than ever. If someone hates us, I offer them a free dvd to check out the new product, every time I do, they are pleasantly surprised. Please people, don't start complaining to get a free dvd. I already know the haters.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Dec 17 2009 : 8:23PM
I really must say a big thank you and happy holidays to all that have supported me and my efforts over the past 6 months. It means the world to me, and I wish you all well, even the haters. Hope you get everything you want for Christmas, and for God sakes use lube. Howard P.S. no this is not a suicide note.
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Posted - Dec 17 2009 : 11:39PM
To me that statement (in bold) is a clear act of admission for many past trasgressions. You KNOW there are Vivid haters, and they will remain so no matter how you intend to fix things, or even the friendly offer of a "free video" (which I am NOT solliciting). For those that were turned off by some poor practices of the past (no need repeating them) which unfortunately went on unheeded for too long, there may not be any satisfactory conclusion. Some problems and offences of the past cannot unfortunately be corrected. You cannot fix the things that happened in the past, but which caused many Vivid consumers and followers to pursue other product from other companies. It is like an errant spouse who may ask and may obtain some sort of forgiveness from the offending partner. Things will never be the same after an act or repeated acts of betrayal. Time will tell whether these acts of contrition are of a temporary nature or whether there is a real drive to restore the reputation such a large corporate company needs to project to its talent and consumers alike. Happy holidays.
in the VHS era, with the drug-addict lettering on the box. no thanks, don't want a free video. if you have decent distribution, they are in stores where i can rent for $2. give the postage to a homeless person, or a battered women's shelter.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 12:46PM
How do I answer this? You can't unring the bell. The only thing we can do is clean up your side of the street and do the right thing. That is with everything in life. This is porn. I totally disagree with you when you say a Vivid hater will always be a Vivid hater no matter what I do. The opposite has be proved here time and time again in the last 6 months. You are correct to say I cannot fix things that happened in the past, but we can learn from them and improve them now and for the future. Vivids sales are very strong, and have improved in the last 6 months, when everyone else around me is losing business. The reason Vivid has be around for 25 years is because we have a young owner who is always willing to make it better. I like to think we are a fine wine that improves with age. Sometimes there is a chance it will turn to vinegar, but we turn the bottle, correct the temperature, and continue to age and improve. The ones that choose not to see the improvements and hold a grudge is their choice. I really feel they are missing out, as do others if you read the reviews, on some really excellent porn. Did I walk into the lions den, sometimes yes and sometimes no, the reward is hearing that someone who stopped watching is now watching again, and there have been plenty of those fans. Start your own thread and ask has vivid improved? I think you will see that the answer is a resounding yes. We are up for more awards than any other company this year in all catagories, will we win? I don't know, but to get the nod for such a diverse amount of work does say a lot.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 12:49PM
Thanks for your honesty, so you haven't seen a vivid movie in over 10 years? Please check out one of the new releases and then let me know if it sucks. I will make a donation in your name to both.
I don't trust men who don't like big tits. 1067 Posts 12/04
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 4:01PM
The first adult DVD I EVER bought was "BackDoor Cherries", put out by Cherry Boxxx Pictures. With a subtitle of "Hardcore Ass Banging Scenes". So I'm seeing this on the cover and I'm all over it. I get this shit home and there is one(maybe two,I'm too lazy to go find out)anal scenes out of the 15. And it was the 14th one at that. I swore off Cherry Boxxx ever since then. The title to me suggest LOTS of anal action and(supposed)first time anal. Now the latter didn't really matter to me to a point because I know a lot of those claims can be bullshit and or just a plot point. But damn son! Just one anal? Now I'm not always so harsh. If I had gotten burned like that by Elegant Angel or Evil Angel I would've just shrugged it off as a one thing against the dozens of times they delivered what they promised. But I'll admit in hindsight I was also to blame as seeing how neither the front or back show any actual anal. So a big "My bad" on my part...But still. So yeah I do care. I'm going to include this in this category also...Covering up/airbrushing out tats. Chicks like Sophia Santi are an exception but for the most part I don't like a lot of tats, big tats or tats in certain places. So if I'm not familiar with a chick, but her pic on the box grabs me, then come to find out she's got tats that kill me wood...I got a problem. Back to Sophia, she's so smoking hot she can pull it off and it doesn't matter to me, yet I've seen it where they try to hide or minimize her large tat. It's like their purposely trying dupe people. Obviously they think it will turn some off so they try and hide it. But once you buy it they got you.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 5:41PM
Most companies will remove tattoos from the cover shot, I think they feel it looks better for the cover. Would you suggest they leave them on? If they leave them on, someone like you might pass on that title which may be a really good dvd. A very high percentage of the girls have some ink on their bodies.
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Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 6:21PM
First you agreed with my comments now this. My concerns and my complaints differ somewhat from Den's and others who have posted here and elsewhere. I am not a rabid "hater", but I am not enamored of the the Vivid product. As I explained it, I did not come to porn or Vivid late in the picture. I was there from the beginning, so I have seen it all. I do not particularly like recent plot-driven movies (as much as in the beginning, due to variety of reasons) and dislike Paul Thomas as an actor and as a director and the way he has to hide under different aliasis (for reasons only known to himself and Vivid, although I can guess). I heard the CEO's explanations about condom use and never found them totally satisfactory. I mentioned that pre-internet days Adam Film World used to be very critical of the Vivid product, and if I recall correctly Vivid ads for the magazines were far and few. I have not rented/bought Vivid movies in a long time, but I have watched some on cable. It's not something I go ga-ga over, as I do not go crazy over a Playboy magazine as I used to back in the 1960's. I never understood the part about condom use, the use of Janine, the various multi-part movies that took some time to release, the movies that were released 1-2 years after they were shot (when some of the performers had left the scene), the poor picture quality, the mispellings, the missing or truncated scenes when some titles were re-issued on DVD, the renaming of performers' names when they went to work for the company, etc. All I hear is that Vivid has been around for 25 years. But all these irritating things used to be mentioned in RAME newsgroups, by Adam Film World...and nothing/little was done about them. Now all this headlong rush to make EVERYTHING right and make all the dissatisfied and angered consumers to come back. This is the part that I don't get. And while I am pleased to read this statement Vivid's sales are very strong, and have improved in the last 6 months, when everyone else around me is losing business, I do not know what Vivid sales are as compared to other companies (how many titles, how many DVD's sold, who is losing business, etc). I am not quite sure how you qualify or quantify "sales". Are we speaking DVD sales, or other business streams (like internet or satellite/cable distributions of Vivid movies/scenes). Other companies may not be so strong in satellite-cable sales so I don't know whether you may be comparing apples to apples, or apples to oranges. I do not hold a grudge, but a 10/10 rating for a movie by a number of reviewers (and tons of AVN awards) will not do for me and may not do it for others, that is all I was trying to point out. You can't undo the harm that was done in the past, and I acknowledged that it was a good sign if this contrite desire to change were not a temporary thing but would be carried on in the future as a signal that finally Vivid was turning the page and be a good corporate citizen that talent, suppliers, its dependents and representatives and consumers alike could be proud of (and when you can finally stop wearing a target on your back, LOL). Edited by - Len801 on 12/18/2009 6:23:58 PM
Most companies will remove tattoos from the cover shot, I think they feel it looks better for the cover. Would you suggest they leave them on? If they leave them on, someone like you might pass on that title which may be a really good dvd. A very high percentage of the girls have some ink on their bodies.
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What happens if you do not like girls with tattoos and are not a major porn fan and do not know what girls have ink or not.Buy the title and find out the cover girl has tattoos that were airbrushed out...i would not buy from that company again.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 7:15PM
First you agreed with my comments now this. My concerns and my complaints differ somewhat from Den's and others who have posted here and elsewhere. I am not a rabid "hater", but I am not enamored of the the Vivid product. As I explained it, I did not come to porn or Vivid late in the picture. I was there from the beginning, so I have seen it all. I do not particularly like recent plot-driven movies (as much as in the beginning, due to variety of reasons) and dislike Paul Thomas as an actor and as a director and the way he has to hide under different aliasis (for reasons only known to himself and Vivid, although I can guess). I heard the CEO's explanations about condom use and never found them totally satisfactory. I mentioned that pre-internet days Adam Film World used to be very critical of the Vivid product, and if I recall correctly Vivid ads for the magazines were far and few. I have not rented/bought Vivid movies in a long time, but I have watched some on cable. It's not something I go ga-ga over, as I do not go crazy over a Playboy magazine as I used to back in the 1960's. I never understood the part about condom use, the use of Janine, the various multi-part movies that took some time to release, the movies that were released 1-2 years after they were shot (when some of the performers had left the scene), the poor picture quality, the mispellings, the missing or truncated scenes when some titles were re-issued on DVD, the renaming of performers' names when they went to work for the company, etc. All I hear is that Vivid has been around for 25 years. But all these irritating things used to be mentioned in RAME newsgroups, by Adam Film World...and nothing/little was done about them. Now all this headlong rush to make EVERYTHING right and make all the dissatisfied and angered consumers to come back. This is the part that I don't get. And while I am pleased to read this statement Vivid's sales are very strong, and have improved in the last 6 months, when everyone else around me is losing business, I do not know what Vivid sales are as compared to other companies (how many titles, how many DVD's sold, who is losing business, etc). I am not quite sure how you qualify or quantify "sales". Are we speaking DVD sales, or other business streams (like internet or satellite/cable distributions of Vivid movies/scenes). Other companies may not be so strong in satellite-cable sales so I don't know whether you may be comparing apples to apples, or apples to oranges. I do not hold a grudge, but a 10/10 rating for a movie by a number of reviewers (and tons of AVN awards) will not do for me and may not do it for others, that is all I was trying to point out. You can't undo the harm that was done in the past, and I acknowledged that it was a good sign if this contrite desire to change were not a temporary thing but would be carried on in the future as a signal that finally Vivid was turning the page and be a good corporate citizen that talent, suppliers, its dependents and representatives and consumers alike could be proud of (and when you can finally stop wearing a target on your back, LOL). Edited by - Len801 on 12/18/2009 6:23:58 PM [/quote] Let me clear this up for you as best I can. I agreed with backdoor mans comments, not yours necessarily. First off we do more sex less plot and have been doing that for a year. Check out the reviews on all of B.Skows movies, you will see this is the fact. Your distain for Paul Thomas is up to you, but he is not resigned to Vivid right now, and will be doing some independent projects for us occasionally. That has been the case also for awhile. He has never acted in one of our movies in the last 10 to 15 years. He has been required to use his real name on all of his productions lately, you will never see another chuck lords or judy blue movie come out again. We haven't used condoms in the last 5 years, it is up to the performer, but on the whole we are condomless. All the things you don't like about Vivid have been corrected a long time ago, not just in the last 6 months. You admittedly haven't watched a Vivid movie in a very long time, so I think it is unfair to speak about something you haven't revisited in years. Contempt prior to investigation. I have more respect for someone who has seen the product lately and says they like it or don't then for someone who hasn't seen it in years and making the same old claims against Vivid that were corrected long ago. The condoms for one, that was 5 or 6 years ago we changed that, yet you act as if we are still doing it. We have been on schedule with releases also, we shot Raylenes come back movie one month and released it the next. We are a real company with a schedule for the year, we deal with other companies that need to know what is coming out next March. We haven't been holding titles for a long time. This was addressed here long ago also and corrected. The reviews I have posted here are from customers not critics, customers like you. Check the thread, I have posted Gamelinks reviews by customers, not critics. I understand your resentments, but if you don't ever give something a second chance, when they try to make it right, you may miss out on something really good. I bought a Harley Davidson when AMC owned them, it was the biggest piece of crap ever, i swore I'd never buy another Harley again, then they changed, Harley took back over, they improved their product, they listened to their customers, I bought a new one again in 2004, it is the best bike i ever rode, wouldn't sell it for anything, well, maybe $30k. That is what we at Vivid have been doing for a long time, listening to our customers, changing what need to be changed, making it better. You're the second guy that said essentially Vivid sucks on this thread, when i asked when is the last time you saw a Vivid movie, the answer is always the same, oh I haven't seen one in years. When someone asks me "How was Avatar?" I don't say it sucked or was great until I see the movie.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 7:17PM
What happens if you do not like girls with tattoos and are not a major porn fan and do not know what girls have ink or not.Buy the title and find out the cover girl has tattoos that were airbrushed out...i would not buy from that company again.
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So you think the company should leave them on the box? What if it turned out you liked the movie? Just asking, this is interesting to me.
