"I don't do that"... I'm literally chuckling here...lol

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"I mean come on this is Gonzo porno here, not features"

I was thinking something very similar to that in relation to Brooke. From all I have seen from her, Brooke looks like a girl who could have made a decent career in features. A different break here and a different turn there she could have done nicely going from feature company to feature company, possibly landing a contract somewhere. However, gonzo is very different than features and Brooke is most definitely not cut out for gonzo. I'm not even sure she should be in porn at all. (This isn't just my opinion. Search through what other people have said about her around here. Industry people have said as much.)

"At this stage, after all the discussion about it, I'd say you'd be best to simply stop watching the bonus material in Vince's DVD's if this behavior offends you"

You have misinterpeted me my friend. However, after re-reading the way I phrased my post I can understand it. Vince's behind the scenes stuff does not really offend me. I didn't mean for this to be an exploration of the ethics related to Vince's editorial decision. I honestly couldn't believe that Brooke did this and understand Vince keeping it in.

Kelly

PS...It just occurred to me...I can't remember his name but I remember that one of our own is hopelessly devoted to Brooke. I just want to apologize to him if anything I've said has pissed him off. Though I meant everything, I wouldn't want to read someone blasting my favorite girl.

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Well lo and behold, we get to the facial and she starts complaining after we agreed on it beforehand. I just looked at her and let her know that if she doesn't take it in the face, she will not get paid especially after lying to me.

Then immediately after the pop she tried to wipe it off. Again, I had to warn her if she wipes it off, my boy Tony T. would have to nut on her face again so we can take stills. She said she would never allow that to happen. Again, the response was, if I don't get what you and I and your agent agreed to, you will not get paid.

As you can see, it was a clusterfuck working with her. I hope she changed her tune. Check out this picture taken from her first and last shoot with me. If pictures tell a thousand words, than this one speaks volumes.

Chico

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Why does she even bother doing porn? Get that girl a Vivid contract!

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I thought directors gave girls a contract to sign, with a specific list of sex acts agreed upon, and each act is gone over with the girl before the scene is shot?

CC

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Why has she left her hair in the 1980's? That's the reason she doesn't want to do oral right, she's afraid her hair will touch the guy's dick and two time-zones will clash! If cum hits it it could melt! :)

Maybe she just needs someone charming to cheer her up. Sic Steve Hooper on her...

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Thanks guys

Kimi if that's a fact, she missed/messed up a good deal. Any word on WHY/HOW she lost it?

P.S. If anyone gets the chance, check out her scene in Jack's Playground #2 - her "real" self is caught ON camera for all of us to see, she obviously gave attitude to Robbie about the cum even being on her tits/chest...

Edited by - PL on 2/17/2004 11:09:41 PM

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Maybe she's not what she appears to be. Maybe she's really a Women's Studies grad student doing research on just how stupid male porn directors and producers are. Hmmmmm . . . anyone know what size bra SueR wears?

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Brooke sucks. FFWD, FFWD.

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However, I made an exception for Brooke. When you're a director and you shoot, without a doubt, the worst scene you've ever shot with a girl you repeatedly warned, it's an amazing accomplishment that warrants immediate notification to all directors.

She has an amazing pattern. She shoots for a company once and never gets hired on again. Not always but generally.

It's not that she's a comatose performer that bothered me. It was her absolute incessant whining. Her asking about when the shoot would be over. Her bitching and moaning that bothered me.

I actually told her and her agents because of repeated warnings from other directors not to shoot her that I would immediately put this shoot on Lukeford and be absolutely honest about her performance. In fact, Mark Wood and Francesca Le told me in Vegas they were going to warn me about her when they discovered I would shoot her. Michael Stefano also warned me the day of the shoot. I should've heeded the warnings.

Then when I put a scathing piece on Lukeford, a crying Brooke called me the next day asking why I would do such a thing. She said she lost two weeks of work (probably bullshit) and would like to make it up to me. Yeah, only if she does double anal. I told her she was lucky it wasn't for one of my movies cause I would've canned the scene after intentionally fucking with her for Internet content.

This is a prime example of a girl running herself out of the industry. It's a pity cause the girl has one of the greatest set of natural titties I've ever seen.

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Them titties jes' a damn liability if yore a' relying on 'dem for work when da rest of yo' ain't got the gumption of a houn' dawg!

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She's got nice real boobs but a bad attitude
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She's not all that attractive to me anymore!

Maybe she'll disappear like the wind.

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Maybe she wants to be made love to and be on the same level as the guy. I hope she finds a director who understands her talents and can get the good stuff out of her.

This reminds me of that Orson Wells tape that's been floating around for years. Wells keeps blowing it on a commercial and finally starts cursing the very idea of doing a commercial for hamburger in the first place. I wonder how he would take cum all over his face and beard?

Yea Brooke,
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"BUT I say hooray for Brooke. Someone stands up and says I'm not taking this shit."

Here's the thing: in the old days Dion from RedLight would have no doubt read this thread and posted something about how he was going to check on the matter for us. However, we really don't have that supreme RedLight attache anymore, though Mike John, Jake Malone, and Erik Everhard pipe in when they can. As such, we really can't know the inside on this one. We're going off of heresay. So, if Vince really was trying to get her to do something he knew she didn't do then he is an asshole. He's been called worse things. However, it is just as possible that Brooke agreed to do it and then changed her mind during the scene, setting Vince off. My best guess is that there was a miscommunication and Vince was never told that she didn't suck balls. So, when he found out his reaction was genuine. In all the time he has shot porn, I doubt he has ever come across that many girls who refuse to merely suck balls (in gonzo at least). We all like to assume the innocence of the girl in these types of situations but if you read what Chico has said as well as what Steve Holmes and others said in different threads then you would see that Brooke has a history of doing this shit. Then again, that's all heresay.

"It seems to me that the real question is why all these guys continue to hire her, knowing full well that there is no reason to expect a good scene out of her."

My best guess is that it turned into a "boy who cried wolf" situation. Chico and others have said elsewhere that nowadays many girls shoot so many scenes and the agencies book them so relentlessly that they can show up to sets not remembering how many times they've fucked that week. (I am knowingly exaggerating a bit) As such, every girl can have her bad day. An example is Delilah Stone. In the bts of Jake Malone's "Fuckdolls," she gets a bit bitchy and is quite impatient. However, elsewhere she seems perfectly sexy and loving what she is doing. And I haven't heard anyone say anything bad about her. Maybe she was just having a bad day. So, with Brooke maybe people who casted her kept telling themselves, "She was probably just having a bad day. With those tits, I can chance it." Which leads me to...

"It's a pity cause the girl has one of the greatest set of natural titties I've ever seen."

Really? You think so? I can think of so many other girls with breasts light years better than Brooke's. Taylor St. Claire, Zora Banks, Cherry Mirage, Aspen Stevens, Haley, Lucy Thai, Nautica Thorn, Brianna Blaze, Katin, Avy Scott, Bunny Luv, Missy Monroe, etc. I guess that I have just never found Brooke all that hot. She reminds me way too much of Mirage (Brianna Banks) when she was at the stage where she was paper thin yet her breasts were huge. (At least they were still natural) In all honesty, I think she could use to get a reduction. Her breasts are awesome by themselves. I just don't think they look good on her. They're all out of proportion. Maybe I'm an idiot though. I don't know. And you have seen her's as well as a fair share of the girls I listed in person. I have not.

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And funnily enough, I'm glad it'll stay that way.

I've heard some quite unflattering things about young Vincent, and I don't buy his movies, but it sounds like this lady really needs to find a new career ASAP.

cheers,

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"I thought No meant NO! "

Again, this is an understandable response. However, it might also be an over simplification of it. I've all ready said it but...

If Vince knew that Brooke would not do this and was trying to get her to bend than he is an utter dick.

If Brooke said she would do it and was going back on her word, which she has done before (See Chico), then why in the hell would she then be the victim in the situation?

Also, I read your review and you also cited the incident in the bts involving Jade Hsu. All I can say in response to that is: Did you listen to what Jade was saying? "I am not a slut. I am not a bitch. I am not a whore. I am an actress. I am filming [such and such] movie and it will be out in a year and then you won't be seeing me in no porno movies" First of all, clearly she does not like the degredation some porn guys shower upon the girls. That's fine. However, she is also quite clearly diluted in relation to her profession. (NO, I am not saying all pornstars are bitches and sluts). And she has all ready developed one massive reputation for being a bitch on wheels. Super Talent Scout Peter Romero, who has been with oh so many girls, recently called her the bitchiest girl he had ever scouted. So, like Brooke, one has to wonder why Jade is even in porn.

Kelly

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"Making people struggle a little bit is not necessarily the worst thing."-Sen. Rick Santorum, Pennsylvania Republican, warning against the idea of child care as an entitlement.

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Edited by - PL on 2/18/2004 10:47:18 PM

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When she accepted the job, she said yes. When does Yes mean YES?

It seems to me that Brookes MO is to accept a job and then try to change the requirements of that job.

When she reneges on an agreement, should the director A) attempt to get her to do what she already agreed to, B) agree to change the scene so she can do what she wants to do instead of what she was actually hired to do, C) pay her and kick her out or D) kick her out without pay.

Personally, I think that the answer should be "D".

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YES also means YES.

YES when booking a scene, and YES before the scene, then NO during the scene means a canned scene where nobody gets paid.

I speak very explicitly with the girls and the agents in the days leading up to the scene about what I need. If it's a vaginal scene, I need 4-5 positions, and a facial. If a girl shows up, whining about every position and trying to avoid the facial, it's her perogative to quit the scene and to leave. Then it also becomes the agencies perogative to pay for location, makeup, etc. especially when the deal was obvious.

It always becomes a problem when a girl is in this business when she hates what she's doing and trying to cling on solely for money purposes.

That being said, I just booked for next Thursday which she assures she'll be in her best behavior. She has agreed to do all the positions and take a facial. We'll see how this goes. Maybe I'm a masochist.

Chico

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By the way, I'm bored with facials. Cum in her throat and I'll be a fan of Chico Wang for the rest of my life.

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I'll talk to her about gulping the goo. I'll even offer her more $$$. This is one area which I cannot imagine her saying YES but I'll give it a shot.

Frankly, if she takes a mugfull of goo, eyes closed, mouth shut, I also think that'll be hilarious. I'll let everyone here know how it went.

Nobody ever accused me of owning a high degree of intelligence.

Chico

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A lot of these girls grow up being hot shit in high school. Maybe they were in the cool kids group, or maybe they were a cheerleader. Many of these girls have used their good looks to talk their way out of anything they don't want to do in life, and porn is the first real reality check for them.

Then they start to deal with an industry full of guys who have complete access to all the pussy they want, and are completely unfazed by the "I'm a hot chick, so I can flake" routine.

So all of a sudden their act won't cut it anymore, and it's very traumatic for them.

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However, it begs the question why some stars don't play this up. Let's say a new girl like Vanessa Valenzuala agrees before a shoot to fake her displeasure with a director or star during a shoot, which doesn't wreck the sex but may impact on making the behind-the-scenes footage a little more dramatic. Say, she has harsh words to do with not wanting to do anal. This could be made to look real, when in fact director and star get along fine. Then she could do something like I LOVE IT ROUGH or ASS STRETCHERS, where the director could point out that he intends to 'fuck her out of her prissy habits'. She turns in an intense performance, and it's the change from 'no I don't do that' to 'oh yeah you gave it to me good' - which I must admit I find arousing about the world, but not necessarily in porn - is what gets people talking and buying the flick. (If the girl is all but naked at the beginning of a gonzo scene and a seasoned veteran of fucking, the sexiness of the change from 'good girl' to 'champion slut' is lost.) What was arousing about Aurora Snow across her career is her willingness to get nastier and nastier, but she didn't play it like THE BOLD AND THE BEAUTIFUL.

I'm ambivalent about this sort of theatrical manipulation - sometimes I like it, sometimes it irks me, but I'm surprised it does not happen a little more. I suspect that Vince Vouyer plays a little on this with some of his behind-the-scenes stuff, and that he in fact isn't an asshole but is happy for us to think that he is, as he's hoping thus to appeal to that sliver of bastardliness in us. (Doesnt work with me, but I can see how it might appeal to others.) Still, imagine if someone like Chico worked out an agreement with a girl like this and they were both convincing enough to make us believe there was acrimony and something of love-to-hate thing going on. When the fucking becomes a duel of sorts, it's more interesting, if you can tone down the misogynistic overtones and make it about the struggle of a man against a woman.

It'd be a crafty simulation of this kind of situation. the problem with gonzo is, it's too transparent. I'm hoping Brooke and Chico are playing us, and she's going to come back in a later film and get a supreme fucking that'll be a scene that resolves a lot of this tension and proves a fitting denouement.

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On the flipside, I could see Vince staging stuff here or there. However, with Chico I believe he actually has the footage of his incident with Brooke in the members area of Anabolic or Diabolic. So, is that staged too? Well, judging from that look on Brooke's face I doubt she's that good of an actress.

Again, your theory makes absolute sense. However, I don't view it the same way you do and don't really think that everything is theatrically manipulated in porn. If a director wants to portray himself as being a certain type to the point of being his gimmick, which is not uncommon (Buttman, Pussyman, etc.), then they have to find girls to go along with him. But to stage some kind of walk out with the intention of shooting that same girl in a really hot, "Let's fuck the shit out of this bitch" scene implies thinking far ahead. And I can see directors maybe doing it but I just don't think that a whole lot of the female performers actually think like that.

Kelly

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I hear smearing cranberry sauce on your scrotum can make it a little more palatable for girls.

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Wait, I'm getting a little off subject eh?

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(i'm not talking about actual brutal competitiveness, i'm talking about a 'soap opera' aspect that would be beneficial for the industry as a whole)
it would be great PR, & it would add a whole new layer of interactivity.

tho it seems like we're watching the behind-the-scenes porn soaps unfold right here on this message board!

in reference to chico/brook; i could see it becoming a whole new fetish to have the talent actually read their contract aloud TO the camera before the action begins.

"i'm into Family, Friends, Food & Fuckin."
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However, to try and take a cue from wrestling and work angles is not a bad idea. Whoever attempts it better know what they're doing though.

Kelly

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You're hiring her with absolutely no expectation that she will behave any differently than she has in any other shoot that any of us have heard or read about. You're expecting her to behave exactly like she always does and then you will berate her on camera for doing so. That's bullshit. It's just wrong.

What's next? Hiring a retarded kid as a cameraman and then making fun of him when he doesn't know how to operate a camera?

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