Don't know if we can. Whatever comes after DVD will undoubtedly prove itself indispensable, the same as DVD did and VHS before it, like vinyl LPs and cassette tapes were indispensable before CDs came along and became indispensable themselves. What can I say? It happens. _________________________________________________________
"There can never be too many beautiful women Hypnotized for our pleasure."
Well there was the mini cd disks that everyone tried to convince me were the next big thing, and that they'd replace regular cd's by now. I agree with you Hollywood. I get tired of having to replace always replace media. Some of the stuff I like isn't always easy-to-find as it is, even more so when something new comes along. Hell there are still a few old classic or obscure lp's and cassettes that I'm waiting to tranferred to cd. Edited by - aplus on 9/3/2009 8:41:52 PM
I don't really see as there's any real choice. If technology moves forward and it's possible to make a product that is far superior to what you could achieve with old technology, how can you justify sticking with the old stuff?
Take heart, folks. Ten, possibly fifteen years from now, you won't 'own' any media. Technically, you don't 'own' the movies and music on your shelf today; you own discs that contain digital information that the company you purchased it from has licensed to you. Come 2025 as bandwidth and internet access becomes more common than running water, you'll stream that media directly from whomever or whatever company owns that media to your television, computer, or iphone successor a la the system Netflix employs to stream movies. It'll happen smoothly, seamlessly, and would leave it's consumer base scratching their head wondering "why on earth would I want stacks and stacks of discs laying around anyway?" John
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114 Posts 7/09
Posted - Sep 4 2009 : 1:57PM
I don't think BluRay is going to wipe out DVD. When DVD replaced VHS, it was because the technology was clearly superior -- whereas BluRay isn't as big of a techno-leap. And you can still play DVDs on BluRay players, which means they will continue making DVDs. Once DVDs became popular, VHS tapes were useless. So, sure, BluRay will become popular, perhaps more popular than DVD, certainly more expensive, but they will continue to make DVDs, so don't worry. If anything the popularity of BluRay will cause DVD prices to drop, which will be nice.
I doubt the seamlessness you speak of. The content makers and hardware makers and technology licensers will always battle, which will make for a bumpy ride for consumers. There will always be competition amongst content/hardware makers to carve out an exclusive niche for themselves, which means the seams will always be glaringly obvious.
I should have clarified; the codecs and technology may not necessarily be seamless, but the online delivery systems today surpass their predecessors by leaps and bounds. Seven years ago, a video came in Windows Media format (WMV), RealPlayer (RM), Quicktime, MPG, AVI, etc etc. Today, you go on youtube and click 'play'; every major browser and operating system has support for flash video (except the iPhone.... GRRRRR.) Years before, photos came in BMP, GIF, TAR, TIFF, etc etc. Today, jpg is king without any likelyhood of that changing. What I was saying though, is that eventually network bandwidth will far exceed video requirements. Pressing 'play' on the movie you're watching on your laptop on the plane (yep, even in the air) will let you watch your copy of whatever movie you want to see. The internet speeds by that point will be so fast, that it'll seem like you just put a disc in and hit play. John
My past is a foreign country. Most things are different there, including word usage. 503 Posts 12/06
Posted - Sep 4 2009 : 3:27PM
What if the movie you want to see is still on a DVD or even VHS tape and hasn't been 'stored' on the Internet. Like many titles today, if you don't have the content on VHS tape or DVD, you are not going to be able to obtain it, in any form. And soon you'll be unable to purchase or have repaired your VHS player. And after that, your DVD player. The very sad thing about all this, IMHO, is that 'most' of the good porn was created in the 'Golden Era of Porn' (that's how it got the name) and it becomes more and more difficult to obtain these gems. Not to mention the visual quality issues of this old content.
“Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.” - Kierkegaard 2684 Posts 8/09
Posted - Sep 4 2009 : 3:29PM
I personally can't wait for 3D holographic media storage. I have been following the technology since way back. Hopefully they'll develop viable & affordable SOHO & general consumer products. Eventually I think the general public will not need any physical storage media and just use the ubiquitous net. However, with the US broadband ISPs dragging it's feet upgrading intrastructure, it's going to be a long time until that happens. It's sad that the US is behind tons of developed nations in broadband to consumers. In the meantime, I love the declining flash prices and increasing flash densities. Maybe one day before I die, I'll own a $200 10Petabyte 3D holographic minidrive
IMHO, its not an issue of some new technology coming along and proving itself "indispensable." The whole DVD market is a sham. Even as DVD technology was being developed, the industry was looking ahead at the next couple iterations of (tangible) distribution technology in an attempt to make DVD's artificially obsolete. To be fair, that's how a lot of industries are operating, these days. Now that electronic distribution is becoming more of a reality, a lot of these companies are shitting bricks, knowing that they can't just make big bucks releasing the same old titles in new formats (as opposed to simply producing quality titles in the first place). But I'm sure they'll find new ways to rape the consumer. PS: My comments above are targeted more at mainstream Hollywood movie studios (Fox, Universal, etc...) and not really at the porn industry.
"Soon" is here already, my friend. Did you know that its actually easier right now to have the average VCR repaired than some DVD players? As a follow-up to my previous point about various companies/industries looking for new ways to screw the consumer, its worth mentioning that some electronics (televisions, DVD players, etc.) are now being manufactured using parts that are not available on a replacement basis. The idea is that when your DVD player shits the bed (which occurs sooner rather than later, these days), the consumer is forced to turn around and buy a new one, as opposed to having it repaired. Its part of our "replacement culture," aka the New American Way. And people wonder why this country is going down the shitter. SIGH.
Didn't you get the memo? We live in a disposable society. "Single-serving sugar, single-serving cream, single pat of butter. The microwave Cordon Bleu hobby kit. Shampoo-conditioner combos, sample-packaged mouthwash, tiny bars of soap. The people I meet on each flight? They're single-serving friends." John
My past is a foreign country. Most things are different there, including word usage. 503 Posts 12/06
Posted - Sep 4 2009 : 4:11PM
The 'soon' I refer to is the 'unable to purchase' followed by the 'unable to have repaired.' Both, for the most part, are still possible. It's a matter of having content that can no longer be accessed because the 'media player' device is unavailable. As an example, I believe that is the case for someone that has a copy of "Behind The Green Door" on a Beta video cassette.
Yeah, I knew what you were getting at. I was just using your comments as a doorway to continue my little rant about being dicked over by various industries these days. Its all good. :)
Uhhh, no thanks. Personally, I want to ignore DVD *right now*, I don't like when that is the only option to purchase something in. There is better technology out there that gives me a better picture, and I want that. And while streaming is most likely the future, it's still a long ways away from being a mass-market solution. I'm not depriving myself of the best picture quality today for the promise of new technology in the distant future.
I second this--moreover, being as I am on dial-up, it's still easier to obtain and enjoy adult material on DVD rather than to wait hours to download the videos I want. I may change my mind should I ever upgrade to broadband--but as Gore Gore Girl said, you don't lose what's on DVD in the event of a computer crash. ___________________________________________________________
"There can never be too many beautiful women Hypnotized for our pleasure."
^ Yep. And before someone counters this with all the things that suck about dvds (the list is long), you can have dvd copies *and* digital copies, if you so choose. I just really don't like watching movies on my computer (the fact that my computer crashed and now doesn't have sound really emphasizes the riskiness of having things solely in digital form). But I'm told that this desire to have tangible items in my hands is because I'm old (apparently late-20s is old these days. What happened to 30 is the new 20??).
Most discs will be enhanced by the new software, most decent DVDs with HDMI-output can upscale and DVD is a good format. I won't "replace" any part of my collection because the leap from VHS to DVD was way more significant (like vinyl to CD). And I will cling to discs as long as possible, probably buy used discs when they're no longer reproduced. There's so much old great stuff to pick up it will last anyone a lifetime.
Isn't everything just going to be downloaded into our brains like the Matrix soon anyway? I can learn Kung-fu and watch porn at the same time all from the comfort of my armchair. Nothing says romance like anal sex.
We didn't bring a compass 'cause we ain't got nowhere to go 173 Posts 4/09
Posted - Sep 6 2009 : 5:46PM
^ Right, but be careful to not let your subscription run out, or your Kung-Fu skills might be erased from your brain mid-fight. Remember, it's not the consumer who owns the product, it's the company. The consumer just owns the brain the product is temporarily installed on.
“Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.” - Kierkegaard 2684 Posts 8/09
Posted - Sep 6 2009 : 10:21PM
smg4ever & poloprinz, Have you guys seen the movie Johnny Mnemonic? If you haven't, it's a movie w/Keanu Reeves that is deals with poloprinz's comment about data ownership & neuroimplants. Even though it had horrible cheesy acting and effects, I thought it brought up a lot of interesting questions.
I believe Blu Ray is the last physical format that will be released soon everything will be sold as digital files. And Blu Ray and DVD can co-exist and will do so.
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Ida Lupino Deactivated User
429 Posts 11/08
Posted - Sep 7 2009 : 3:48AM
Multi purpose distribution centers will provide all goods and services by 2025. There will be no need for cities/towns/malls/offices.
if only I could figure out how to find the energy to throw all my years of VHS tapes in trashbags and get them to the dumpster anonomously so i could move out of the two bedroom and back to a one bedroom
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Sep 8 2009 : 5:48PM
I think that people are tactile when it comes to buying things, they like to shop for it, feel it, hold it, look at it and take it home with them. They love packaging. I remember many years ago during a Superbowl, every commercial was .com this and .com that, they explained that everything you buy will be on line, well that did not happen.
We didn't bring a compass 'cause we ain't got nowhere to go 173 Posts 4/09
Posted - Sep 8 2009 : 9:48PM
^ The recent rise in vinyl sales is an indication that you're right. And that's the age group 18-24, which, according to some people, was raised believing that entertainment product is free because you can download it. clicky
“Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.” - Kierkegaard 2684 Posts 8/09
Posted - Sep 9 2009 : 10:16AM
I could be wrong, but lots of teens and young adults were collecting vinyl back when I was a kid in the 90s, especially in certain genres like punk (and possibly HipHop). So I thought the vinyl resurgence has predated the past couple of years. I haven't seen data though so I could be way off
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Sep 9 2009 : 1:32PM
Stores and shopping will never cease. Until the end of the world. People love to do it. I love to do it. Downloads are a horrible process when stealing of a tube site, you wait for a long time to get a bad quality product, that's why they try to upgrade you to pay. We just shut down a company stealing our content, we will continue to do so. For me stealing music, movies or whatever is not an option, it is just wrong.
I have a feeling you have a lot of work ahead of you. CNBC news said that most of the top ten websites in traffic numbers are "porn tube" sites. There are likely a lot more that didn't make the list. If ten per cent of those sites are stealing content, that makes a lot of work to eliminate them and makes lawyers very wealthy!
Well some things are simply worth fighting for. Plus I'd rather see companies at least trying to do something about it, then sitting around and just bitching about it.
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Tyrone Deactivated User
51 Posts 9/09
Posted - Sep 10 2009 : 3:42AM
Fighting's not going to get you very far. Either there's a market or there isn't. If the cost of delivery on physical media is too expensive compared to Internet delivery (and Blueray is already out of capacity for some applications), then delivery will be done by Internet, if people will buy that way. I'm sure that for the old timers or people without an Internet connection, there will be companies that download content and put it on a CD or DVD for you, in a nice little box with a pretty label -- for as long as there are enough working CD and DVD players to make it worthwhile. So far the iTunes store has been a success. I wonder how many people are going to buy the new Beatles remastered album box set on CD versus downloading it and paying for it.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Sep 10 2009 : 12:10PM
The Beatles Box is a perfect example, I want the packaging! I want to add it to my collection! I already have the music, yeah it will be nice to have it remaster, which I have to say, won't sound a hellava lot different, put the books, the box etc. is what i want.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Sep 10 2009 : 12:15PM
If we shut down one, another pops up, the lawyers are expensive, why bother with them? These are all bad reasons not to go after someone stealing from you. Set an example that it is not ok. The guy that just took our content and decided to make money off it, is now paying for every time he sold it, plus damages. Spread the word. They are also going after the people that bought it from them. People who download known material with copyrights are ultimately responsible. They owe someone, and certain companies want to get paid.
And to me that is simply what companies are gonna have to do. Is it an uphill battle? Well I know those that do it illegally think so. I figure if you catch enough of them, others might at least start to think about it, especially those with the most to lose. And while I could feel somewhat sorry for a 13 year old who stole music online years ago, I have no such symapthy for an adult who steals downloaded porn online. Hell if I have to pay $20, $30 for a new film, or at least $5-$6 to rent one, everybody else should too. No exceptions or justifications IMO.
How about a service on the scene where you hand over your USB thumb drive with a video on it, and they print out an 8 by 6 of the exact frame of your choosing? Instead of generic cover art made by someone else whose taste may differ, you could get your favorite frame signed. The only investment would be a color laser printer and some open source software cobbled together. Or a tablet device that the star could sign, and a service that embedded it right into the video, animated just like the star had signed it. Thomas Friedman calls it "creative destruction"... technology destroys that which we are used to, but it creates things that are even better. People always lament the disappearance of things like the liner notes that used to be in albums, and the back cover art. But they completely ignore the fact that you can get much more information and fotos about a certain band online nowadays.
I may be old-fashioned, but there's something classic about having the actual product signed, and I really don't think that's going to go away. Memorabilia in general will still be brought places for a signature. I don't mind your idea though - I would just want the dvd signed also.
Naughty Teacher Needs Pussy - review by Danielmayu33216
Posted - Sep 3 2009 : 6:25PM
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