"Hello 911? Some guy came home to find me fucking his girlfriend and proceeded to chase me away, could you go over there and make sure he's not beating her?" and/or "Hello 911? I think my escort's pimp showed up and chased me away, could you go over there and make sure she's alright please? Also I've been ripped off and would like to get a refund" Right. ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 8/13/2014 8:01:47 PM
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Posted - Aug 13 2014 : 9:01PM
^^^^^Maybe I'm too simplistic in my thinking, but it seems to me that donating to Christy Mack's medical fund is reasonable due to the simple fact that she's a battered woman whose medical bills are expensive. It also doesn't surprise or disturb me that many people would rather provide monetary assistance to a single individual whose name is familiar to them rather than to many individuals whose names are not. Try as I might, I don't see the decision made by these fans as a symptom of a deteriorating culture. How many people ever in life do something concrete to help victims of domestic abuse? I'd rather them help one victim than no victims at all. As far as I'm concerned, if what little fame Christy has prevents her from going into debt, good for her! Meanwhile most online commentators (not those on this forum obviously) don't have a single kind word for her. In my opinion this is what most of the cultural obsession with celebrities is driven by, the desire to ridicule and condemn, NOT to celebrate, those who are famous. I'm always surprised when someone chides the masses for placing celebrities on a pedestal, when in fact most people seem to hate celebs with a burning passion. A lot of these same people have hardly a harsh word for the useless congresswo/men and senators who claim to represent them, and even less to say about the men behind the curtain like Frits van Paasschen, Skip McGee, Reuben Jeffery, etc. Instead, they save their venom for people like the Kardashians, who are basically irrelevant to the power structure but happen to be on television and are therefore conveniently promoted as the embodiment of everything wrong with our country. Fact is for every 1 person who donates some money to help Christy there are 100 who are gleefully deriding her online and doing so because she is mildly famous Edited by - misspornUSA on 8/13/2014 9:02:15 PM
I haven't been the biggest fan of Christy for awhile but nobody deserves the abuse that she suffered
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 12:45AM
She's not the only one. She was beaten pretty badly. But I don't see why that means every single person in the porn industry has to make it a point of putting on a public display of sympathy. It's like they're now going out of their way to prove to the everyone that they think domestic abuse is bad. Too bad they didn't feel the need to all this rabble-rousing when he was beating her ass before, and they were all friends with the guy.It doesn't surprise me either. It just irritates me. It proves that these porn people and fans don't really give a fuck about domestic violence. They're just caught up in the emotional hoopla because it happened to a pornstar that they happen to like. As for her medical expenses, if people want to give, then that's up to them. I choose not to. I think of all the people out there who are diagnosed with malignant cancers and other critical ailments, and truly have no money to afford treatment. They don't have easy jobs where they make thousands of dollars everyday, like Christy does. They don't have friends with large bank accounts like Christy does being in the porn industry. They don't have thousands of fans who send them expensive gifts from Amazon wishlists to also donate thousands of dollars to their medical costs. These people are everyday struggling working people who really do need the money, but don't have sexy pornstar friends to solicit money from fanboys. And unlike Christy who is still alive and whose life is not at risk, these people may die if they don't receive treatment. If I didn't donate to these people, but decided to donate to a pornstar (one who I never liked anyway), then I would just be a hypocrite, just like all these people putting on fake shows of sympathy to make themselves look good. All the plastic surgery she got probably costs more than her medical expenses. So if she can afford that, then I think she can manage to cover her hospital costs without her pornstar friends begging fans for more money.
I didn't see her medical report but according from what I collected around she got. 18 fractures on her face jawbone fractured one eye not working properly Some missing teeth , some others broken A broken rib several knife wounds an injured liver Possible internal injuries cannot talk properly , cannot eat but suck liquid food I don't know how much she spent on surgery but this will take her MONTHS to recover , given she can actually recover properly , meanwhile she can't work in any way , can't dance , can shoot, can't host , can do nothing to make a living. The expenses still running though. All thing considered it looks like a lot more costly than any surgery she had.
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 4:21AM
Alone the teeth to fix cost a lot of money,if you want them done good.
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 6:41AM
Well considering the guy ended up in the hospital with his injuries & being interviewed by the cops anyway trying to keep discrete was never going to happen. He didn't have to give a reason & frankly the 911 operator is not remotely interested why he was there, they are interested in getting the correct service to the scene as fast as possible to save lives & minimise injuries. Considering the guy was on a reality show where wealthy men tried to get a woman he is probably not hard up for a few bob so I doubt money had anything to do with it. This piece of crap was not knocked unconscious-he was bitten, had his nose broken & got chucked out by WM. All he had to do was go to a neighbours house for them to dial 911, or walk a short distance & make the call himself. Instead with severe injuries & naked she had to do it herself. Christy really needs to look at the people she is letting into her life-violent wasters & gutless playboys who are happy to leave her in the clutches of a lunatic. What did this guy do just drive himself to the hospital?
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 6:56AM
You find this hypocrisy-there are at least two male porn actors who have physically assaulted porn actresses in the past still working & nobody bats an eyelid. One of them seems to have got tons more work in the year or so since his choking his then porn actress girlfriend became public with the restraining order she took out against him being uploaded for everybody to see than he did in the three or so years prior. There is an actress charged with human trafficking & who has breached her bail terms multiple times & none of these three people have ever been blackballed by the industry. There is a well known agent who has a very chequered past with a very serious allegation that he paid to keep as quiet as possible & yet he manages some of the biggest female stars there are-how can these women work for such a person? Yet they do. The vast majority are happy to bury their heads in the sand over risk of infection & fight against any measure that might save their own or a fellow performers health. So yes it is nice people in porn want to help Christy, But really while they employ women beaters & endorse scummy individuals it is hard to take them that seriously.
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 7:14AM
realtip and pervybrit, you're both making a lot of generalizations about "porn people." There are a lot of people in the industry. The vast majority in no way support or condone domestic violence.
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 7:20AM
1, Ok I am a huge Shyla fan but come on-have you ever heard of a porn performer getting beaten up just for being in porn? How many people even recognise porn people on the street? Most people don't watch porn regularly & likely would be hard pressed to recognise even Ron Jeremy or Jenna Jameson. Take the make-up off of most porn actresses & a lot of porn fans would be hard pressed to recognise them & most of them don't walk around made-up like they are on a porn set. Stories of Shyla's odd behaviour & fears for her health have been going around for years, is it not more likely she behaved in a way that provoked somebody, or responded in a way if somebody did make a comment to her that could lead to a physical altercation? I am sure porn actresses like soap actors, sport people get called names by morons & jealous women all the time but just ignore it. 2. How can anybody equate the injuries Shyla has in that link to the injuries Christy has? Not to downplay any physical attack but she looks to have some bruising, lacerations etc. Christy looks like a swarm of bees has stung her face & somebody has stomped on her. One looks like a thankfully relatively minor altercation & the other looks like attempted murder. 3. How could Christy keep quiet about it? The incident was all over the internet within hours, it is even being reported in papers here in the UK. Partly because WM is somewhat famous & some people were on her Twitter account defending him & calling her a liar etc. She has barely said anything since posting the pics & her account of what happened. 4. I think people got burnt out on Shyla with all the nonsense & endless teases/promises & attention seeking she was coming back to porn & then nothing & probably stopped following her as a result. Perhaps if Shyla stopped acting like a diva & gave the impression she actually cared about the people who bought her films for a decade or more she might get something back. She is after all a contender for greatest porn actress ever considering her longevity, face, body & performance level so had a massive fan base, there is a reason that has dwindled the last few years.
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 7:25AM
Sure, but if the majority of big websites & film companies keep booking the guy after he chokes his girlfriend out & has a restraining order out against him it doesn't really say much does it? I had barely seen/heard of this guy until after this happened-at which point he seemed to be getting booked in loads of scenes. You would think putting your hands on a woman would be career suicide-in most jobs it would get you fired, others at least a very severe final warning & some kind of punishment/demotion etc. In porn it seems to get you booked more.
http://www.tmz.com/2014/08/14/war-machine-christy-mack-photo-mma-fight-3-weeks-ago/ Sadly, hanging out with him apparently 3 weeks ago. Just what that moron needs, something to conceivably give him anything to validate his story
yap thats sad and just point that this is a deeper problem that just the beating. she was getting beaten (this rtime round news came out) but she kept staying with him. i dont understanf that. in an interviw about their tattoo they asked him what i they broe up and he sair ill add and RIP on the tat and she said "yeh i would probably deserve it" . she is the one that put herself in a low position as a woman and allowed him to absolutely controle her, basicly your my bitch literally. and she must just really really love him. rihhana got beat up bad too and shes wayyyyy more famous than these 2, he did prision time and years later bang, she forgives him and they back together. so why wouldnt mack do the same? i do put this on the table because yeh, i LOVE macj the pornstar, i dont consider mack the person a smart person. they broke up and 3 weeks ago they were seen together. an your ex boyfrind is a crazy guy called war machine. what do you expect. someone way above talk about stockholm syndrome. even if its remote, its a posibility.
Excuse me, but even if they fucked minutes before , this doesn't give him any right to beat her , he wouldn't have had such rights even if they were married , he doesn't own her no matter what a tattoo says , the way he had beaten her may have disfigured her , ruined her life especially in her line of work , but could have even in regular life . I mean 18 fractures in her face i repeat EIGHTEEN plus a broken jaw. There's no way he could have done this the right way ,to this add several wounds inflicted with a knife, a broken rib , an eye with diminished sight, hopefully temporarily. Her liver is injured too Possibly not even a truck could hit you this bad.
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 10:13AM
Again, I don't see anything morally questionable about donating to someone whose name you recognize instead of donating to the Jane Doe you described at the end of the post. It's better that one of them gets the help that she needs rather than neither of them. As far as I know Christy is not a multi-millionaire. In the US, that means that her medical costs could result in significant debt. If the minimal fame that she's earned as an adult film actress can help her to prevent that from happening, that is a good thing. Why would I begrudge her the help she needs because she's a minor celebrity? Christy Mack soliciting and receiving money from her fans to pay off her hospital bills is not the big problem with our society. BlackRock is the problem. Vanguard Group is the problem. Seriously, when last I checked there were no pornstars, reality stars, or entertainers of any kind sitting on the executive committee of The Business Council or belonging to the American Bankers Association. Celebs and their fans (whose numbers are dwarfed by their detractors) are not the problem. If Christy Mack were unknown she would have deserved the help, but since she's known by some she doesn't? Sorry, but I disagree.
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 11:50AM
I guess what's being argued is that the choice of some producers, directors and performers to continue working with male talent who have been accused of domestic abuse is an expression of indifference to the offscreen actions of these men. I'm not inclined to agree with that position but it seems to be what realtip and pervybrit are getting at.
I sorry guys but i have to say that i just can't feel as bad for her when i see things like this. In the statement she made on twitter she said that "he(War Machine) beat me(Christy) many times before but never this bad". What? how could she stay with a guy that beat her "many times before" as she said and expect people to feel sorry for her? I am sorry but i just can't do it.
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 12:16PM
^How can you feel sorry for her? I'm a simple person I guess. I hear that a small woman was assaulted by a trained MMA male fighter and I feel sorry for her. That's how it happened for me. Guess I'm not thinking it through enough.
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 12:54PM
Doesn't that make him a victim of assault, you know, like Christy?Which he must not have even felt by virtue of possessing a penis, right?And why couldn't Christy have dialed 911 herself first while her boyfriend was busy kicking the shit out of her gentleman caller? Heck, did the nutjob even break into the house or did she just invite him in?And the armchair captains who have done the same for a lot longer, don't forget those! ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show
Some of you are pissing me off blaming Christy for the situation saying she should have left him. Stop trying to understand the psychological state of battered women saying it was easy for her to leave. Protip: For them? Its not. In fact after getting beat on enough by a man thats supposed to love you, you begin to think you deserve it. And I know because my close friend had an ex that beat the shit outta her for 3 years. In fact look what happened when Christy tried to leave/break up. He literally beat her within an inch of her life. So miss me with that nonsense ----Dread's Twitter----
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 1:27PM
I'm not generalizing anyone. I'm talking about the people who I would see taking pictures with this guy, going to his fights, and being friends with him, despite that everyone knew what about what was happening in their relationship. Now, strangely enough, these people who were so chummy with him are posting 50 tweets a day about how they want the guy caught, and how they feel so sorry for Christy. Seems really odd that they didn't become so publicly sympathetic until the whole world found out about him putting her in the hospital. I have more respect for the ones I see staying quiet and saying nothing than I do for the ones who are going out of their way to be the new mascots against domestic violence when they weren't before. It just screams of phoniness for the sake of public appearance. I'm not saying that they condone domestic violence either. Of course, no one is going to come out and say that they support domestic violence. Like many people, I just don't think they actually care one way or the other. But they're not going to say that either unless they want to be villified. After all, look at all the hate Shyla is receiving just for sharing her opinion that she doesn't care about it.That's only jobs in which one works in the public sphere, such as professional actors, athletes, entertainers, politicians, clergymen, etc. In other jobs- the ones in which everyday regular people work- it would probably not because that's a personal matter. I'm not married, but if I were, I could beat the shit out of my wife everyday, and wouldn't lose my job over it because what I do at home has nothing to do with my job. Of course, if I were to be arrested and charged for it, my job could find reason to fire me, such as that I would then have a criminal record. But generally speaking, as long as you're a good employee, jobs don't give a fuck what you do in your personal life as long as it's kept in your personal life. The only reason jobs in the public sphere care is for public relations reasons. For example, look at all the blacklash the NFL is getting over Ray Rice, which is a decision that I actually agree with. But most Americans are so consumed by emotional reactions and have bought into the whole "There's never a reason to hit a woman" rhetoric that even the slightest allegation of domestic violence against a male public figure will bring forth public pressure to have him terminated. But for everyday regular guys that no one has heard of, you're unlikely to get fired for that unless it also involves criminal charges and/or a conviction.
I knew that guy was an total asshole but this is on another level. That motherfucker needs to be thrown in jail. Edited by - nas1960 on 8/14/2014 1:37:27 PM
I don't give a crap if you like Christy or not. or what she did or did not do. nobody deserves this. this woman was beaten with in an inc of her life.Shyla Stylez needs to shut the hell up. and grow up.
Im sorry if i wasn't clear enough but what i was saying is that while i do feel bad that she was attacked and hurt so badly by this piece of shit guy however I can't completely feel bad for someone when they are beat over and over again and continue the relationship in any way. Its like if you were biten by a dog, its not your fault you didn't know the dg was viscous but if you go around the dog again and it bites you again you know it was viscous that time so how can you expect people to feel bad for you, im sorry i just cant period.
^ I think what we have here is a fundamental lack of understanding of the complex psychology of abusive relationships. Maybe you should do some reading, Bobmarblee.
I'm not saying anything about that, of course he had no right to say that, but she said in her Twitter statement she hadn't dated or seen him for a few months prior to this. So one part that may now found out to be wrong may start a whole line of "So what else may not be correct?" And War Machine DOES NOT need anything out there that can concievably make anyone even think "Hmmmm maybe he has something there."
If this were a court of law, it would indeed damage her credibility. If she claims that she hasn't seen him since last May, but there are photos and other items which prove that they have been together since that time, then it would cast doubt upon the veracity of other things she says.Ultimately, as with anything in life, it comes down to personal accountability. You either make a choice to be in a relationship with someone who beats your ass everyday, or you choose not to accept it. If you make the choice to stay, then you just make it more likely that something like this will eventually happen. I'm not going to rationalize Christy's choice to stay anymore than I would rationalize War Machine's choice to hospitalize her. After all, abusive men tend to be affected by psychological issues just as much as abused women are. Often, they have also been abused themselves at some point in their lives. Nonetheless, we don't see anyone sympathizing with them for their unwise choices. Frankly, this relationship was dysfunctional from the start. As I saw someone on Twitter write: "An MMA fighter and a pornstar. What could possibly go wrong?" Edited by - realtip on 8/14/2014 3:08:32 PM
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 3:27PM
^I don't think we need to rationalize her choices in order to feel sorry for her.
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 3:28PM
^ This right here. Yep.
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earthwindfire Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 3:42PM
considering how many threads are on ADT dedicated to women being harmed, taking long term damage, and being broken to tears and suffering; I think there will be quite a few here that are getting off on this.
If anyone is getting off on this, they are sick. and they need to reflect on what kind of person they are. no woman deserves to be beaten by a man.PERIOD!
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 4:23PM
Who knows what most of these porn girls have endured in their lives or woman in general for that matter. If mack wasnt mack would she be getting all the love
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earthwindfire Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 4:30PM
she would be getting support from people who know her.. she is famous so that is why there is so much attention. I think one of the reasons this has exploded so big, is because most people that have followed War Machine knew he was destined for this so it just made us 10 hex sicker when we knew it was coming and then it happened for real. The "shock abuse" with some famous person that we never knew did this has a different effect. We all could see War had murder, attempted murder, or suicide in his future so there was this build up of emotions and feelings that exploded this week. For me I have had sick feelings about him for years and once the "property tatoo" came to be, it magnified it. So, this is the culmination of years of emotion for a lot of us. Also, there is also a strong sense he will do more of this. He may not with Christy (we at least hope so), but there are plenty of girls out there still drawn to that bad ass "I will kick everyone s ass" attitude and will say to themselves "I will be a good bitch and he won't treat me like that"..... (yes, these girls drawn to war machine types say such things). He will, at some point, get out of prison (assuming he is alive at that time), meet these types of girls, and will knock them around too. They may not report it until it is too severe to hide (like Mack), so there will always be this sick feeling with him. Edited by - earthwindfire on 8/14/2014 4:35:01 PM Edited by - earthwindfire on 8/14/2014 4:36:14 PM
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 4:49PM
^ not too late maybe they will find war machine in a basement somewhere hanging from a rope
Nice how people just have to insult the world and apparently with what appear to be false details as well. According to the criminal complaint this "piece of crap" as you so lovingly refer to him was the victim of "battery with substantial bodily harm" and "battery by strangulation." I am not going to link to the criminal complaint since it reveals real names. I am just amazed that someone who went through that gets the loving moniker of "piece of crap" by you.
^ Agreed. And we have no idea what he saw when he escaped. It seems possible he thought it was just a fight with him and WM, with Christy uninvolved, and that WM was leaving (running to WMs car?) after breaking off the attack on the dude. Going directly to ER in that case is reasonable. The guy was apparently badly injured too. It's a lot easier to make judgments as a Monday-morning-quarterback than in real-time, in great pain & severely injured, perhaps with poor vision from facial injuries. And he didn't have the benefit of clairvoyance to realize it wasn't just a fight between two guys but would later involve Christy. I'm surprised the cops don't have him yet. He gives away clues with every tweet. I'm betting the cops find him before Dog (cops can subpoena cell phone & tower records), that he doesn't have the guts to suicide, and that he doesn't survive police capture (cops know his history & will take no chances with their safety, and he'll do some stupid stunt & get shot). On the other hand Dog is likely to capture him alive, but can't use the quicker & easier phone tracking techniques.
Exactly they don't need to get him immediately especially if he's giving away statements on his own with no advices from his lawyer Edited by - LCF on 8/14/2014 5:43:28 PM
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 6:07PM
Since when does it take "guts" to commit suicide? Isn't suicide usually a cowardly act? It's also weird how people can claim to be so opposed to violence, but take delight in the thought of someone killing himelf or being brutally beaten by the police. What people really mean to say is that violence is bad except when inflicted upon someone they don't like. If what he did to her was wrong, then how is it OK for someone to do the same thing to him? Do people not see the hypocrisy in this?Actually, there are a lot of women who do deserve it, just like there are a lot of men who deserve to have the shit beat out of them. That doesn't mean that you do it though. I posted this Bill Burr stand-up clip earlier in the thread. But since I think he replies to this better than I can, I'm posting it again. It also reminds me of a funny dialogue I heard between two women in an old movie from the 1930s. Woman 1: Your husband beats you! That's terrible! Woman 2: Ain't it? When you think of all the other women around here who could use a beating more than me.
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earthwindfire Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 6:19PM
War Machine needs to die simply because he WILL do this to other women, and WILL eventually kill someone. This is not an NFL player that lashed out and has hopes at rehabilitation. Everyone who spent even 5 minutes learning about War Machine knows this man will never, ever stop behaving this way. That is why, in this particular case, hoping he kills himself or gets a "suicide by cop" is in the best interests of the community at large. These girls attracted to this type of man will not stop, so we need to hope they are protected from themselves by him not being available. He won't get a life sentence unless he kills someone, so the only way for the community to be permanently protected from him, is for him to be dead. I take no delight in his death, I simply am making the choice that it is better he is dead than to see another Christy Mack or someone who is actually killed. Edited by - earthwindfire on 8/14/2014 6:24:33 PM
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 6:22PM
In our society there is a significant cultural taboo against suicide inherited from Christian teaching against the act. In such an atmosphere as our's it does indeed require "guts" to commit suicide.I don't think that anyone on this thread has claimed to be a pacifist. I for one am in no way against all violence and regard such a position as ludicrous. There are many cases in which violence, and yes even killing, are just and good. Being against domestic violence in general or in this case specifically is consistent with that belief.I agree. For example, if a mad woman tries to kill a man, he has every right to beat her to the extent necessary to defend himself. Edited by - misspornUSA on 8/14/2014 6:23:51 PM
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 6:46PM
Luckly, surgeries aren't a new thing to her.
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 14 2014 : 7:19PM
Damn! You sure are a proponent of seeing someone die. Would you happen to be from Texas?
guard that hospital room he's on the run, by now the pictures are out, memorize that face and guard that fucking hospital Edited by - cm37564 on 8/14/2014 7:47:00 PM
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