I completely agree that tube and torrent sites have gutted the porn industry and unless Governments get involved then I doubt things will change for the better but I don't think I'm pathetic for thinking that the current OF business model that performers use is the correct way to earn a living. I would much prefer giving a performer 20$ for a great video but I don't want to give her 5$ for what is more than likely going to be crap. We can argue on what constitute crap but for now I'm unwilling to fork over any money without a good idea of what that money will get me. I don't want hidden fees. I don't want to see a 1 minute nude clip. I've bought my share of C4S videos and for the most part I've been satisfied with my purchases and a large part for why is because I at least had a description of what I was about to buy as well as a tiny trailer. After a while I didn't need to see the trailer if I trusted the source all I needed was the description itself.
1.) The rise of ManyVids and other clip sites has run pretty parallel to the rise in Onlyfans and
2.) One of the models that is starting to see some action IS letting people sub to your Onlyfans for free to see what the general content looks like and then showing prices for videos.
Again, the problem isn't the platform, the problem is that a performer is very, very rarely gonna be able to pull of the economy of scale that a major network can provide, and it's up to you whether to decide where the value lies in content centered on one person you like as opposed to a lot of content, much of which you might just find okay. And more to the point, that people aren't always being tricked or fooled if they decide on a different value proposition than you do, and performers aren't trying to take advantage of people when they offer it.
^I actually think that MV exist to compete against C4S because they have the same type of business but MV being a younger platform has a lot less clutter than C4S. In fact it's very common to see the exact same content on both platforms for basically the same price.
Maybe I'm completely wrong and if I am then please correct me but OF is a different platform at this moment because you can't see any trailer and you can't read a description of what you get for your money and I don't think that changes much once you join the performers OF account. How much of that content is exclusive to OF and how much of it can be found on other platforms?
I currently support my favorite performers by joining sites that have some of their videos or if I can find something more personal on C4S. I haven't gone the route of MV yet but I find that their search engine to be less than reliable making it much harder to find content.
I've only subscribed to one OF page and that is Casey Calvert. Each vid she posts, she describes almost exactly what is in it and how long it is. So far, I have not been disappointed. However, I know she is a class act and worth the money. That being said, there is not another single performer I would subscribe to blindly. I'm always going to come here first to see if there are any reviews for them.
^I think Casey is the exception rather than the rule. On a related note. Can you watch trailers once you are signed up? Are there any trailers? Are prices reasonable and by reasonable about 15$ to 30$ for a 20 + minutes video?
Joining sites that contain your favorite performer does nothing to support them. At best, if you use your presence on the site to continually ask the site to shoot said performer, it might net them some extra shoots, but that's not something that always works. You're supporting those specific sites, not the performers on them (unless the performers are involved in the behind the camera creation on the site, which is possible nowadays). I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing, but with so many ways to directly support performers, joining the sites that feature them is really way down the list of the best ways to try to support then, and doesn't feel like a good reason to join.
"Pornography: That which excites, whether from approval or disapproval." ~ Leonard Rossite 2347 Posts 12/17
Posted - Jul 26 2020 : 12:39AM
You would think with OF, studios would take the complaints of female performers more seriously but instead - they stay tone deaf and in some cases, blacklist female performers for going public. If piracy is the number killer of mainstream porn, indifferent studios/directors and talent agencies are occupying second and third place. Most recently both Cadence Lux and Kristen Scott both bid adieu to mainstream porn.
I would definitely recommend Casey Calvert, Abigail Mac, Adriana Chechik, and Sinn Sage OF.
I think Adriana overall is the best because she is always active, answers dms in a timely manner, super nice, not asking for tips, understand that many dont have much money due to the pandemic so she literally have free shows and have free content. Content quality is great too. When she do sell content its super cheap. Even if you ask for content she will usually just say tip $20 which to me is cheaper compared to others. Ive never ordered customs so I cant speak on that. Her lives are amazing too. And she will put on an amazing show without having to reach any goals. Just show up and enjoy. The only show she did ask for tips though was recently with Christie Stevens but its understandable.
I may be a little too tired to follow your logic but are you saying that me buying a membership to a site that happens to have videos of my favorite performer does not support her. If you mean in real time then I guess you are correct but I assume that porn sites/studios track the number of times a video is streamed or downloaded and if it happens to star one of my favorite then there is a high probability that the site/studio will want to book her more often because she attracts fans.
I don't know how good requesting a performer is unless she has never worked for them before because if she has worked for them then they already know her popularity by the number of times her video has been streamed/downloaded.
I can't speak for others but unless a performer has a site where I can clearly see what my money will get me or a C4S/MV account then I'm unlikely to directly support her. I sure as heck am not going to send her Amazon gift cards or donate money in other ways because my relationship with performers is purely transactional. They make a product and I buy it.
Cadence recently mentioned quitting porn during the pandemic but did reply to someone that she would probably come back and let's not forget that she is still shooting and promoting her OF account.
Didn't see any mention of Kristen quitting but she is shooting and promoting her OF account so in my world shooting porn for OF is not retired from doing porn.
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Posted - Jul 26 2020 : 2:04PM
What are the complaints of female performers that are not taken seriously?
OnlyFans is great for performers who have enough of a following to make money as has been discussed. As a consumer I only follow 3 only fans. The vast majority of only fans is garbage as has been iterated before. There are a handful of gems or performers that you can find that really get you off for the price. In my experience not that many. You have to do your own research to figure out whos onlyfans is worth it to you. It's very subjective
I am not into basic porn though, I like performers who are willing to get really nasty and be really dirty. Girls who do basic stuff never get on my radar no matter how "hot" they are. So if OF pulls a girl away from doing something I like when she can just masturbate solo its a net negative to me. More power to her though for making money for less. But I'd never waste money on someone for just their looks. It's all about their performances to me and the kinks they cater to. It's all about quality content to me.
Your individual download is not gonna make the difference between whether a performer gets shot again and they don't. A request has a much higher chance of leading to more scenes for two reasons:
First of all, a stream/download doesn't actually tell you that someone liked a video, just that they watched it. A request actually tells them that you liked it. It would basically take a video having a ton more downloads/streams to be noticeable enough to make a difference, as opposed to a few requests.
Second of all, many/most sites recognize now that they want isn't just subscribers, but loyal fans. Because those are the people that, instead of joining for a month to watch a brand new scene and leave, stay subbed to the site for months at a time, and possibly even tell their friends about it. They're the ones that, when you try to create a new site, will be the first to check it out. They can become your whales, and can help spread info about your site to other people. That's why you have social media pages filled with interactions, and that's even why you have producers and performers joining this board to talk to people. Fulfilling fan requests, as long as it's someone that isn't actively unpopular/problematic, is an easy to to build up loyalty.
Again, I'm not saying that catch all sites are bad, I'm just saying you should be honest with yourself about why you're joining them (because they provide the best value, not because you're trying to support your favorite performers). And if you want to actually try to support them using those sites, just watching/downloading videos is not gonna be enough.
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Posted - Jul 26 2020 : 2:31PM
not everyone has favorite performers that they want to support, i would much rather have a variety of different girls than see the same girl get railed over and over
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Jul 26 2020 : 4:34PM
Chris Strokes longterm misbehaviour on set in not respecting other performer's limits, Ryan Madison's abuse of performers, James Deen still getting work. Check out the 'Abusive Male Performers' thread.
"Pornography: That which excites, whether from approval or disapproval." ~ Leonard Rossite 2347 Posts 12/17
Posted - Jul 29 2020 : 11:45PM
Kristen Scott is not shooting studio porn anymore, she said as much on her twitter. Bree Mills/Girlsway has been cited on a number of occasions for not caring about the safety of their talent. Georgia Jones, Lily Adams, there was a recent incident with Craven Moorehead regarding Pure Taboo that finally led them to take action but generally from what I've gathered from Georgia's posts - you get assaulted on their sets or by anyone working for that company and there's little to no significant backlash.
I see your point and have this problem. I follow a girl, which I like on OF. the content, pics and videos, are the same ad on IG or BrazzersPlus, now booking BrazzersPlus for 1 month, means in my case, I see videos on pics there, which I have to tip on OF. And of course the problem is you has no trailer and never know what you get, the same problem to another girl, asking to give me some hot, I got a portrait photo of her, she later apologized, but that is something I don't like and much important extreme restrictions to the girls....
I totally agree, Casey is an exception on this and sorry to say following/subscribing a few others the only one. The stuff there you can find on IG, Fantico, BrazzersPlus, AVN and others, so never booking twice is what I learned, so OF is nothing what is for long (in my case), I don't like the whole concept behind and the rise since month has extremely to do with Covid-1.
BTW I don't know fantico, but which one is better or you would prefer OF or Fantico ? The platforms are really similar.
One girl I follow is really expensive, so it is hard for me, I am not there for videos, I am there for DMs / chat with her and live shows. The pics, videos are not more then average. So I am in a difficult situation paying for stuff I don't like only for chating with that one.
That is why I will not stay there for longer or If following 2 girls max., the plot and content is vanilla, often boring, always the same, nothing excited and in comparison to big companies stuff like Evil Angel, Blacked or others, the sex is boring, so I am only there for the woman, not for their content.
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Posted - Aug 3 2020 : 4:10AM
I thought about posting a new topic about self produced content in general but I figure this thread is basically about all these platforms not just OnlyFans, because I've been curious about buying/subscribing but have yet to do so.
So for starters, I am totally on bored with performers being able to create content on their own and make money directly from it. This isn't just a porn thing but in so many sub genres of entertainment/any kinda content are doing this kinda stuff. However, like anything that's just getting started it has a lot of flaws and little oversights that need to be cleaned up.
- Pricing: Here is the biggest issue, I can subscribe to a major porn studio for like $9-$24 a month, get thousands of videos/pictures already released and still have new content released with some kinda regularity (pre-covid). A lot of these platforms/performers offer some pretty good content but it's like $10-$20 for just one video. As badly as I want to see that one certain video there just is no way I will pay that much to only get one video when I can get a month's access to a site's massive library for that same price range.
- Lack of clarity: This ties into pricing because I know for say onlyfans you pay a fair price of say like $8 a month for access to a performer's page - seems fair until you literally have no preview of any of the content that's there. No preview clip or even thumbnail of the content. The best you get is a # of how may total posts, then you can how many are vids or pics. Still, I have no clue what the content is or looks like. Could it be high quality 20-30 min hardcore vid or a crappy 15 minute solo scene? Only fans seems to have a fair pricing model for a subscription but you have no clue what you are actually paying for. For someone like myself and I bet many others it drives away us potential customers. Then you have all these other platforms like manyvids or modelhub and a performerhub where like I said at the top, I can see the content and determine if I would pay for it but the pricing is just way off.
As someone that has been paying for porn now for a while, I find it frustrating because I am willing to spend the money for good content but with either overpriced content or lack of previewing content I am feeling driven away. There is def a lot of quality self produced content I am willing to pay for but until the mechanics of these platforms improve I just can't find myself spending money towards it.
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Posted - Aug 3 2020 : 6:56AM
Some adult actress are looting fans with charging additional money for whole videos even though fans are paying the subscription charges. For example Casey Calvert: All her videos on onlyfans are chargeable you need to spend minimum $30-$40 for each video. People should boycott her onlyfans.
I think you pricing expectation are unreasonable. There's a reason why sites charge the prices they do and even they will still play with pricing by making downloads more expensive. Seeing as most performers don't have the kind of traffic most porn sites have then they have to charge more to make sure they make a decent profit. I have no problem with performers asking for 10$ or 20$ for one video if it happens to include what I enjoy. I spent 35$ and 40$ respectively for two videos yesterday because it starred someone I wanted to see do the stuff she does in those videos. Of course i would be a lot happier if the videos were less expensive but not to the point where I wouldn't have those videos.
^^ Hell no. Casey OF is legit. If you dont like the pricing then dont join and/or dont buy her content. Her content is professional and she even sends out coupons throughout the month to those who have their auto rebill on to use as discounts for content. You can use them however many times you like throughout the month and even stake them too. So while I respect how you feel I disagree.
As for pricing in general I think in general you have to understand every performer is different and you have to adjust accordingly. Some performers will work with you and others wont. Like I just mentioned, Casey give discounts for those who have their auto rebill on. Abigail will have sales on all her content often. If you want new content pre-release its going to cost more than when she release it in the DMs and then later on when she post that same content again its going to be even cheaper. But no matter what just like the previous poster said, you will pay up the price if you really want a scene. I paid $45 for a scene with Keisha and Karlee because I really wanted to see it.
The only thing I ask for when it comes to purchasing videos is for the performer to be transparent on the type of scene and who is the scene partner. Had issues with two performers like that. I didnt mention it to one but the other one I did and she still never told me who the scene partner was. She just told me to unlock the video and if its a video I already had she would give me a different one. Now it all worked out well in the end bur I felt like it couldve all been avoided if A) she wouldve said the name of the scene partner in the description or B) just told me who the girl was when I DM her about it. Then also I ask for when a girl ask for a tip to either be more specific or accept whatever tip I give. Usually Im good at tipping and not trying to lowball BUT I heard someone say this one performer he tipped $20 for a scene, she said she wanted more so her tipped her another $10 and then she said to double that. Like she really wanted him to tip her $60 for a scene when all she had to do from the start was say $60 for the scene. Instead she just said tip her and she didnt accept the tip he gave and $20 even $30 was a more than reasonable tip. As a result he got nothing but lost $30 that he cant get back because he just let it go.
Ill also add to like you have those like Rhayndee James who you pay one fee to sub to her and you get all videos unlock and she dont ask for tips in the DMs. Same thing with Mia Malkova. Abigail mentioned about doing the same. Like increasing her OF sub and just having all her content she posts as unlocks. I hope she does it too.
Here's my updated list of OF pages I recommend and strongly recommend against.
Highly Recommended All of these girls do an excellent job to provide quality content, post full length videos on their wall and keep pay-to-view DM spam to a minimum or none at all. Some cost quite a bit but but after you get screwed over by the $5 pages, you'll understand the value Mia Malkova ($5.99/month) Angel Wicky ($12.99/month) Valentina Nappi ($5/month) Charlotte Sartre ($12.99/month) Siri ($6.99/month) Jill Kassidy ($14.99/month) Rahyndee James ($19.99/month)
OK Gia Paige ($15.00/month) Used to be better, but sometimes just doesn't update for long periods depending on her mood.
Trash Nicolette Shea: Straight up money-hungry scammer. Page is run by assistants who try and make as much money as possible by selling videos , VIP memberships, customs, dick rating etc. in the DMs. Currently being dragged for trying to run a fuck-a-fan contest and getting dudes to pay, then deciding not to do it after collecting probably thousands in tips. I think it's shady af to pretend Nicolette is interacting with the fan and convincing them to pay for personal services like dick ratings.
Evelyn Claire: Weird emo broad. Spent a lot of time whining about not making enough money and missing her big spenders. Took money from subscribers for her paid page then out of the blue converted it into a free page. Shady af. Keep in mind that some people pay for multiple month subscriptions. Created a separate VIP page, completely screwing over her fans who already paid for her previous page. Now her free page is basically just an advertisement to join her VIP.
Lexi Belle: Just a trash page. Clearly run by assistants. Nothing of note on wall. DM full of pay-to-view spam.
Alexis Texas: Ditto
Jenna Shea: She wrote the scammer playbook. Posts 2 second video clips and IG pictures and tries to sell videos at outrageous prices ($200 5 min videos, $50 pics) in the DMs.
Have a few TS recommendations as well if anyone's interested.
Edited by - illmatic on 8/3/2020 1:56:09 PM
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Interracial Gets Me Stiff Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 3 2020 : 2:25PM
then they should go back to shooting for studios where the pricing is actually reasonable, LMAO at paying 40 bucks for one video I dont care what that chick did on that video you got ripped off
^^ I just sub to Gia OF today. So far I really like it.
I would love for some TS recommendations if you have some. I had Kayleigh Coxx OF but she wasnt posting new stuff and didnt reply to my DMs. I think though she was going through a rough period in her life at the time so emotionally she just wasnt active on social media period so I understood. I didnt renew though because yes I understood I just like for someone to be at least somewhat active.
Recommended Shiri ($10/month) - excellent crisp video from a sexy redhead, frequent updates, reasonable price with multi-month subs, infrequent pay-to-view DMs Carrie Emberlyn ($10/month) - fucking awesome page from one of the most beautiful trans women, very fairly priced with multi-month subs Rosealine (porcelaingoirl) - ($12.50/month) Another stunner like Carrie, zero pay-to-view DMs, full length vids posted on her wall
Awful pages (Two of the spammiest pages ever) (~$5/month and still not worth it IMO) Aubrey Kate - Sparse content on wall. Pretty much anything over a minute is pay to view. Constant barrage of pay to view spam in DMs. Chanel Santini - Ditto. Think both pages are run by the same assistant. Also Chanel is gender fluid now but still posts recycled content for sale as new.
^ Nice! Thanks! I just sub for one month just to see how her OF is. Been following her for awhile. I dont know about those other two girls you mentioned. Thanks for also giving me the heads up on Aubrey and Chanel. One would think they would have great OF so its sucks to hear they dont have great ones. So Im definitely avoiding them. Although as I always say, every performer OF isnt for everyone. So maybe there are those who love and think their OF are great.
I'll second the Mia Malkova nomination. She literally posts full scenes on her feed without ppv, and she's running a sale right now. I'll also recommend Katrina Jade. She doesn't have bg stuff, but most of her solo stuff now that she's single isn't ppv. She'll message about previous bg stuff for ppv if you want.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Aug 4 2020 : 5:28AM
^ Is there really a 'OF camera quality? Wouldn't the quality of the camera be dependent upon each performer and what they use? I would assume most are just using their phone cameras.
^I doubt there are any cameras tagged as best for OF videos/photos but if phones are the main tool many OF models use to shoot their content then I can see why someone would have an issue with the finish product. That's not to say that phone cameras haven't seriously improved in the last few years but they have the limitations built into the limitation of a phone camera.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Aug 4 2020 : 6:17PM
^ For sure, I find Samsung and Sony phones have the best cameras, not surprisingly. But there are semi-pro attachments that can be added to phones and legit directors like Soderbergh and Sean Baker have even shot features with them.
But my point is that there is no standard 'OF quality' camera anymore than there is a YT quality camera, it is a platform, the quality depends on rhe equipment used.
^ Quality is also dependent on how aggressive the compression works after the content is uploaded to a site as it's not always the case that what's uploaded plays back the same to someone watching a video.
In any case, I previously called out the "OF camera quality" as a clumsy sweeping statement because adequate lighting can make video recorded on a smartphone with a good camera look decent.
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WillBeWaiting Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 5 2020 : 2:09AM
Lol this is a dumb take - you are max paying for just one month (assuming you don't sign up for 3-6-12 months) like $25 a month to get full access with downloads included (and that's assuming you are too dumb or lazy to find discounts which are everywhere that drive prices to like $7-$16) so for that price and usually it's cheaper I get a full month's access to a site with 10000 hex bigger library with 10000 hex more variety in terms of types of porn and the performers where as you spent $35 for one vid. Customers don't have endless pockets and even if they do they are still going to limit the amount of money they spend - so why would these performers out price themselves vs traditional sites or even DVD's for those that still buy those? For $35 I can get full access for a month for 2-3 sites and have access to countless many more vids vs just one vid. And that's just comparing content amongst the porn industry. If you wanna be really successful in business you need to have a bigger view and realize when trying to get people's money you aren't just competing amongst those in your industry but of all kinds of businesses across every kinda industry. Why spend $40 for one porn vid when I can use that $40 and get a full porn site, and the remaining amount can go towards countless other things.
There is without a doubt much better pricing structures that will bring them in much more customers at a rate that will make them more money. The customers get a better deal and the content producers make more money.
My only theory is that with less people having access to the content the less likely the content get's pirated and in turn that helps create a bigger demand but I highly doubt the people that watch free porn tube sites will have such a desire to see said one scene they will be compelled to drop $10-$40 for just one vid.
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Posted - Aug 5 2020 : 2:45AM
@illmatic
But since it gets boring very quickly to follow only one girl, you usually have several favorites. And then the cost would not be $7.99 a month, but $XXX.XX. For 4 minutes of smartphone clips. None of these videos has the quality and variety of studios like HardX or JJV. And there you get for a fixed price, different scenes with different girls. And if you convert this price/value ratio to onlyfans, there are probably costs of $200,00-300,00 per month. For the girls onlyfans is great. For fans, a catastrophe.
Question - I haven't used only fans or many vids , and looking to subscribe to Tali Dova , she has both . Recommendations on which site is usually better , quality , content etc .
^I am inclined to say ManyVids has less crap circulating round the platform compared to OnlyFans and its video compression seems to provide better quality video. What I would argue sets MV well apart from OF is far greater visibility and previews for content.
However, whether you will get a better experience signing up to either OF or MV for somebody who sells through both platforms will vary from one content provider to the next. Some content may be exclusively available to one platform for example.
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Posted - Aug 5 2020 : 3:33PM
you dont need to sub on manyvids, there is an option to but i would say its not worth it, you can purchase individual videos ( which are mostly overpriced IMO) but at least you have an idea of what you are getting
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Posted - Aug 13 2020 : 9:00AM
Only fans is killing the business slowly as pornstars have more creative control and produce their own content, if it wasn't for only fans no way Dani Daniels would be retired but only fans has given her platform to perform scenes with her husband solely, the performers on only fans much rather work for themselves than studios
Is it destroying regular porn which is better than the shitty onlyfans clips? Yes, which is why I hate it personally.
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Posted - Aug 13 2020 : 12:18PM
It is indeed destroying porn and not worth paying $12 or up to $40 per clip when you can get a monthly subscription at a porno site, and the clips only have 5 mins duration.
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Interracial Gets Me Stiff Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 13 2020 : 2:12PM
i am not even sure about this part. for the girls who already have a following sure, but i honest to god have no idea how the majority of women even get anybody to discover them otherwise
Social media and camming, it's not that hard to figure out.
But anyway, I love how we're talking about how OnlyFans is "killing the industry" when the industry was "dying" anyway because of tube sites. None of this is about how OnlyFans is affecting the industry. All of it is how it's affecting you. Because studio sites apparently are the entirety of the porn industry, and there's no way that the industry can exist without them.
In an age where generic content doesn't really matter because it can be stolen and uploaded in seconds, the industry at large was always gonna have to figure out a way to be come more personal, more able to tailor itself to specific fans desires in order to create loyal customers. The membership sites that have survived over the past 5-10 years have survived either because their volume of content is massive, or because they found and explicit niche they could fit into and worked their way in. And given the general trends, the ability to make a ton of money off the first may not last that long.
Posted - Jul 24 2020 : 7:08PM