If OF had better visibility of what you're buying outside of the paywall, I think it may collapse as people would may think twice about subscribing or paying for premium content.
In my experience for every good OF account I found (I'm currently subscribed to 3), I'd been through 5-10 times as many accounts that weren't worth renewing a subscription or I felt they were downright terrible.
I think the Covid-19 pandemic may accelerate the downfall of many OF accounts as people who would normally have spent their money on porn sites instead decided to try some of their favorite models OF account and have discovered what you did. Most aren't worth it and even the ones that are may not be as economical as the join page would lead you to believe. Someone getting free access or paying 5$ might be okay with the model asking for a lot more money for the good stuff but somehow I doubt the one forking 20$ is okay with repeatedly getting asked for even more money for the good stuff. The repeatedly being asked for more money seems to be the biggest issue most pro-OF people have with the platform.
P.S: I sincerely hope that some of the OF accounts you got shafted on were free or very cheap because that's a lot of money lost that could have gone to support the honest performers trying to earn a decent living.
^Maybe but I suspect a lot more people started to join various OF accounts over the last few weeks and by extension a certain percentage got burned when it involved money.
Onlyfans concerns me a little. As everyone would agree, performers should be able to maximise their income. I support this concept by buying all porn. I don't use tubes etc.
But to think that performers can earn $10k, $20k etc per month, putting out vanilla content and either communicating or pretending to communicate with fans, makes me worried that in 10 years we are going to be left with an entirely different adult industry where my specific wants aren't met.
As I said it makes me feel good to buy porn, rewarding those that made it, but I have no idea why people would pay for onlyfans.
I totally agree with your statement. I've just started on OF 2 days ago, but only for some certain and specific reasons, will do just a few and certain girls. And it is also a question of expectations, everybody can spent or make tips each month for $ 500 if he likes this, even if it is BS or vanilla or just a little bit mastuarbation here and there and so on, but of course nothing for me. I saw a lot, really a lot of bukkake, GB movies,blowbangs, DAPs (see LP) hard stuff like piss movies, KINK and so on in my life till now.
I don't see how to offer new stuff of this kind for a single performer on OF, old stuff I already knew, have seen, a technical thing, a question of costs and effort. If there is a huge market for vanilla sex "level" regarding OF and other sites/provider, fine and if some performer will generate such big amounts of revenues as you mentioned it good for them. But I will not go back on a "level" I was in 1980, when I started watching my first porn movies and even pay for it and to say it clearly to make the one or another performer, who create a lot of money by now, much richer. I would rather quit. Maybe the whole industry will drift in this direction, but actually I really don't know it right now, maybe.
Their customer service finally got back to me and wouldn't issue a refund unless I got the model to agree to it. Fat chance that would happen. I deleted my credit card from the system and was able to replicate that the system tries to charge you without your consent when you try to view a timeline that has locked video or photo posts.
I think that OF should come with a disclaimer that states if the performer is the person you are indeed talking to. I don't like getting catfished.
In fact the new hustle in adult is running someones onlyfans account. When you sign someone up to Onlyfans you get a percentage of what that performer makes off the platform for life. So the agents, and other performers have started services much like phone sex operations where they outsource people to interact with the fans. It's all a scam.
^ I suppose peanut butter should come with a warning that it isn't suitable for nut allergy sufferers too?
I think a healthy application of common sense should be made instead of nanny state disclaimers. If a porn actress with an OF account has 10,000 subscribers, managing messages and custom requests from even 1% of them is a tall order where she may never get anything done. It's hardly a surprise if there is outsourced fan interaction.
OF has its flaws but I don't recall where it stated explicitly that your interaction is with the porn actress and not an associate of theirs or an OF agent. I'm not saying this in jest but I'd like to know where you saw this claim or is this vision of exclusive interaction with the porn actress something you've conjured up or something that's been sold to you by a friend but you blame OF for your friend's misinformation or for your fantasy not being lived up to?
So even if I can follow you and thought the same, regarding the huge number, for me it is fraud. If I am writing to someone and he is not saying that it is impossible to write personally it is scam, what else ? In my case, I am only interersted in writing or seeing this performer live. It this is not possible, I quit, images and movies I got already, and paying for small clips is not a challenge. So to asking clear, subscribing 2 days ago to an well-knonw perfomer on OF, means the answers,2, was written by a machine or somebody else. This would also explain the text, plot of the writing. A last question, do you think this is for all performers, I subscribed 3 days ago to another one. And all the anwers from this woman seem to be real, means written by herself. Any experiences ? And how can you prove this in practice, tips, advices? Thanks.
In one word, if this is true, and I believe that, it is just scam or fraud, nothing else. The big question is who is doing this, I mean which of the more famous pornstars, all or only a few, 50 % of them ???
I'm sorry, how does that Twitter screenshot prove OF explicitly stated you would interact with the porn performer? I didn't deny the outsourced management. In fact I stated that it shouldn't be surprising that fan interaction is outsourced when there are so many customers to deal with in a short period of time.
So if Pierre is to be believed then his friend makes 140,000$ a year from managing OF accounts and his clients make at least 360,000$ to 600,000$. Since he said girls then that means at least 2 but more likely 3 or more otherwise he could have said a couple. If those numbers are accurate then those 3 models and their manager basically mean that OF earns from these 4 people at least 240,000$ to 388,000$ in profits with their 20% cut.
I guess that's possible but I'll need a lot more transparency from the people involved before I believe it. Even then I may still not believe them simply because the kind of money being talked about his more than most porn performers will earn from doing porn and that's from women who have been in the industry for years.
Perhaps you need to wear a sceptic's hat? The logistical difficulty of interacting with so many fans in a short time frame should surely set realistic expectations that you may not always (if at all) be exchanging messages with the performer herself.
For other people to be managing an account to be fraudulent, you need to prove either the OF page had shown some blurb stating that your subscription includes interaction with the porn actress herself or that an associate in a DM claims to be the porn actress i.e. there was deliberate and wilful intent to deceive you. I've noticed a lot of direct messages have wordings that read like they're talking in the third person. With another account, I suspected I messaged at least 2 associates of the porn actress because there was discontinuity from their side in the exchange of messages.
^ That's why I asked where they saw that OF promised fan interaction or if it's a case of people creating this fantasy in their heads that fan interaction was promised to them. I think it's very comfortable for some people to blame OF than admit they got it wrong selling themselves this idealized depiction of the porn performer where they fabricated this idea of engaging with the performer.
If a porn performer has stated on their OF profile that you get interaction with them via DM but it turns out there's an associate in place of them engaging with the customer then I agree there could be case against them for fraud but I can't name one occasion where I've seen this to be the case.
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Posted - Jun 26 2020 : 10:53AM
You'd have to be part of that top .5% to make six figures I believe in Onlyfans. Exactly how many girls is that Because seems like a crap load are in that percentile.
In regards to performers not handling their own OF I talked to one performer (if you want to know that performer PM me and Ill let you know) and she said that is the case because performers are just so busy. She also said she thought about having a marketing team to help her with her OF but for one it wasnt going to be as profitable as they wanted 40% and then she said she just wanted to be close connected to her fans. I was happy she was being truthful to me about that. She said she sees how some performers are great at being able to get tips and can make way more money.
I also think too like OF and twitter imo are connected to me. Like I dont HAVE to chat with performers on OF when I can communicate with them on twitter. Even those I dont have OF with I can chat with them on twitter. Unless you think there is someone handling their twitter accounts too, which from what I know is possible BUT I think its less likely for them to not be in control of their twitter than they would be their OF if that makes sense. I think with anything you have to take the good with the bad. Everything has pros and cons and the one thing Im noticing is nobody is talking about the pros about OF. Its all about the cons.
To me one of the pros about OF is that I get to see pairings that for some reason studios havent made happen. Like Kristen Scott and Lena Paul. They did a BGGG together for Lena OF. They never shot together for a studio. I even suggested to Kristen that she do a 1on1 GG with Lena so Im hoping it will happen. Jane Wilde just shot with Karlee Grey 1on1 for the first time. They did a GGGG for DP but never a 1on1 AND she shot it the way both wanted it and its authentic and the way real lesbian sex should be. I cant wait till the scene drops July 4th. The trailer looks hot. I could name other pros for OF but that one stands out the most. I even talked to Casey and she straight up told me how the best thing about OF is she can shoot what ever she want for example, shooting a candy anal solo scene where she sticks skittles, giant jawbreakers, giant gummy worm, and put whip cream in her butt. Like I never seen a giant jaw breaker or giant gummy worm before let alone someone sticking it in their butt. So yeah like OF gives performers the freedom to do whatever they want and also making fantasies for the fans come to life that studios more than likely either cant try or wont try. Thats just my opinion but I have no problem with OF.
Sorry, I must confess that I did not really understand what you wrote, (english is not my mother-tongue), especially the second part, which is important to me to understand. Fraud is maybe the wrong word, I describe it as not being correct and fair at all to act like this from the perfomrer side and hiring people to write in her name even that the user or subscriber know this or got information from the performer on this. For example what I mean, I booked 2 ladies just for DMs, chating and seeing her in a life show. No pics or videos, I have a lot so there is no need for me. Both have more then 300K followers on twitter, the number of OF accounts I don't know right now. The first one wrote to me, most important knows me or recognized me from Twitter. We had since wednesday about 6 Q and A sessions and I say it is this performer for 100%. The second one, also I wrote with her on twitter as much as the first, sended me after subscribing an automaticaly welcome. I wrote 3 times since then, if she know where I am, the replies was only 4,5 words. And I also say the wording was strange, different from the on on twitter, where I wrote with this performer herself 100% for certain reason. It was just like "Do you know, what time it is?" Answer: "yes a got a new car." stupid example, but I guess you know what I try to say, answers who seems to be without any sense and do not match my writing at all. So that is why I am a little bit suspected. Of course I know the number of accounts etc., but is not fair at least.
Well there you go. Just because something may not be right or fair, it is not necessarily fraudulent. You have to demonstrate intent to masquerade as the performer in a ploy to mislead you in to paying money for there to be fraud.
Regarding the discontinuity in messages, I messaged an account about a specific scene I was interested in buying (I named the performer and posted the link to the tweet to clear all doubt) but they pushed other content (no relevance to my original message) in a reply a few hours later as if they'd ignored or deleted my previous message. I messaged again repeating my original request but they still replied a few hours later with different content that was irrelevant to my request. Just to check my suspicion of at least 2 people handling direct messages, I was quite sarcastic when I went back and asked why money was good enough for the videos they pushed on me but not the video I wanted to buy and if they thought it was worth losing out on entirely on a sale. Again, an image set was pushed followed by another irrelevant video so I had no doubt I'd been speaking to at least 2 different people and when I got some banal small talk DM asking what I was up to, I gave up and paid nothing more than the base subscription and didn't renew.
I fully understand and agree. In that one case, I can't say the name of the performer, I wrote 5,6 times with the girl on twitter within the last 30 days and it was the real. To my question to recognize me on OF when i subscribe there, she said I've got a good memory. But no, since subscribing nearly 3 days ago, I got only the stupid answers for selling stuff or as I your case useless reply Now I think she never ever read one of my messages, even somebody told me, she would not hired people, but that's the only explantiation. Not one word, now I wrote back on twitter about 8 hours ago referencing on her saying. But no reply at the moment. It is clear this girl will get no $ from me as long as I don't get just 1 sentence, twitter would be good. The other girl is real and subsribing other girls on OF, I just think long and good before I'll do it and if who, which girl. This is or was another lesson to learn, not my money for nothing.
This is the wrong topic so far, I guess. Go to iafd get in the performers name, male performer and check all his videos, then you can find the girl maybe.
Here's the thing. If a famous porn star is charging a below-$10 subscription fee, there's a 95% chance that the page is not managed by said porn-star. Most stars have their fan count hidden but I know Nicolette Shea, for example has 14,000+ fans. It's entirely impractical for her to run that page and reply to hundreds of thirsty DMs. The idiot running her DMs, however still claims to be her. Once in a while that star may do a live stream show and will honor custom video DM requests, but they damn sure aren't interacting with fans in the DMs.
That said, I have found the $5 OF to be generally dismal in quality. The sweet spot I find for good content is ~$15 or more. At that price, they tend to provide much better content and far less upselling in the DMs. Jill Kassidy runs my favorite Onlyfans account by a pornstar; she's a sweetheart, updates regularly, provides exclusive content, responds to DMs, doesn't upsell. Worth way more than the 15$/month subscription. Also cam-girls and amateur models don't have the same popularity and are far more likely to manage their own pages and interact with fans. Generally their subscription fees run quite a bit higher as well As always, you get what you pay for
So I asked you directly and frankly, serious ? Do you think that all accounts for $ 5 are fakes, means somebdy runs this page or hired people are doing this stuff or do you think there are also exceptions, even a few. I have 3 and I am being absolutley unsecure if I wrote to the real one or somebody else and what do you think to figure this out. Great to get an answer ! I booked for free Nicoletta Shea, Francesca Le and Isabelle Deltore, and I agree, poor content, stupid postings and answers. Is this would be the real one, I would say, dumb and dumber....maybe not Francesca. Thanks.
I just think that most OnlyFans accounts (not all, but most) offer really third-rate content. There's no taste, no passion, no directorial eye... More than anything else, the rise of OnlyFans has had a detrimental effect on the quality of porn available on the market.
The economic effects are another story, but I could live with them if we were still getting the same level of quality we have become accustomed to getting over the past 20-25 years of professional porn production.
^^^ In my experience, there is no "sweet spot" based on price. The fragmentation of account management and content production/publication on OF creates a situation where the quality of content and frequency of updates can only be judged on a per-account basis, not by the monthly rate for a subscription.
I've seen the good and bad you've experienced across the spectrum of monthly rates so I don't think there is a correlation between price and quality/frequency of updates/using or rejecting upsell.
No. That is certainly not the case for all. I made up the 95% number based on my personal experience; I'm no industry insider so it may be wildly inaccurate. Also not sure "fake" is the right word either. Back in the early 2000s when many stars had personal websites, it was common knowledge that most girls weren't personally managing their sites. That didn't make the website "fake". With OF, many are applying that same "managed" model for their pages. The difference is that Onlyfans is billed as a site for "influencers" to interact with their fans. For many bigger name pornstars, if fans sign up expecting an interactive experience, they'd be sorely disappointed. As an example, many porn stars offer "paid" dick ratings. I'm not a dick pic sender, but lots of dudes get off on the fantasy of their favorite porn star seeing their junk and providing a personal rating. Just remember that it may be some sweaty hairy dude looking at your junk and providing that dick rating. 🤣🤣
Also I do think some lesser known starlets charging ~$5 can realistically manage their OF page without assistance and even some bigger names. Kenzie Reeves, for example charges $4/month, and I believe still manages her own page. But I do find quality takes a hit. Kenzie only posts pics and 20 second clips on her feed. Then sells all her videos in her DMs for ~$15 and gives VIP memberships to big spenders yet still sells the VIPs the same videos. Can't knock her hustle but that makes me immediately lose interest. I'd rather pay $20 or so for good regular exclusive content and tip if I'm so inclined
^^ Is OF billed by members of the public/customer or by itself as a fan interaction platform? As far as I'm aware, the sale of content is its primary function.
Fair point. That being said, it says nothing about that the content provider and only the content provider may engage. I guess I just didn't sell myself a promise of fan engagement as the main reason for making a subscription.
This plattform is simple a plattform to create money as much as possible, the more money the account owners can generate the more this company gets revenues. And that is their business modell. Plain to see, and because of covid-19 there is a win-win situation who came out of nothing. But not for the consumer, only for the girls and the plattform owner. And there are so much fans who join and spent their money. I just got a shock minutes ago by one ofthe girls I discribed 2 times, the first time and the last time. Having about 17,000 subscriber, you can imagine how much money she creates and trying to write, chat or writing DMs is nearly impossible just by looking on this number. If somebody is fine with buying their stuff like pics, movies with more or less bad quality, and short clips for prices who are often to expensive, that is fine, or getting tips to have get the privilege to get an answer or 2 more within 1 week. For me this thing is done, at least concerning this girl I am talking about, personally I am deeply disppointed emotionally, but being realstic, nothing else were to expected. Hope the other 2 girls on OF I am writing are different, so far til today it really seems so, would just be luck for me. Of course I don't mention a name. Just saying all are really well-known and since years in this business. For me it is a bitter experience to get, but okay, let's see forward.
^ Indeed. That is the short definition of capitalism. While there are (limited) consumer rights, it is the aim of most companies to maximize profits however they can within the law. Consumers are among the first to be exploited, especially in "vice" industries.
I think the porn industry is transforming from a cash machine for companies to the performers, the impact of Covid-19 seems to be huge, an escape to OF, but not only there are more platforms, manyvids, insta, pornhub, AVN, Fleshlight, Brzplus, adulttimecom, and others. And I could call them the cashmaker are often of all of this, but I asking me, what is this, probably the same content, pics, videos etc. similar concepts and I think gamma ? So who has all the money to pay this, if subscribed on a few of theses sites by one single star, me not. Onlyfans and Brazzersplus and AVN, i don't know and watching the twitter accounts of same stars, you can clearley see, it is all about making money, and I think we should not forget Covid-19, they try to create their own stuff and selling their onw stuff to get real rich, don't mention names, but is plain to see.
Granted, we are seeing a shift toward the performer having ownership of their content and less reliance on the studios, I don't think anything has changed fundamentally in terms of motivations to get rich. I doubt there's ever been a significant agenda of being altruistic by getting into the porn industry. Now it's the performers taking advantage of a horny (predominantly male) customer base, not so much the studios. I think it's naive to suggest it's only now that porn has been around to make money, the dynamic with OF and other similar platforms has only made this more apparent.
Whether this is sustainable or not will only be determined when studios return to their shooting and production schedules, assuming that they're not bankrupt by then.
I totally agree to 100% on wat you wrote, sustainablity, that's is the big question, it seems this quick change ist Covid-19 driven, the ladies had to found more sources to create money, and quickly checked out, that there is more money to generate by running plattforms or shooting their on stuff or both. There are a lot who got this and are busy as hell and selling as hell, these days, I know a lady, she is on all plattforms and is only selling, selling, selling but always the same stuff. And yesterday 2 new plattforms launched. BrazzersPlus and another one. This lady quickly joined in by invated from Brazzers, it seems along other performers. Besides the question how to arrange all this by 1 person, (and if I wrote with her or hired stuff, don't know, how to prove this), nearly imossible, even if running 24 hours the day. Others try to shoot their own stuff and selling directly or using plattforms like manyvids etc. It was and is all about money, this first woman i mentioned I would call "moneymachine" regarding the activities. Other girls are less creative yet. If this will change again, back to as was it before or nearly was, IDK, depends on Corona, as you said, first the big companies should come back in a more normal status, nobody knows when, at this moment. Of course now, the performers are at an advantage so far.
I'm a total sucker for big booty Latinas, and Twitter suddenly has plenty, all new girls I'd never seen, all spectacular , all with OF sites. I knew nothing about OF, but I was helpless. Holy shit! I would have saved money flying to Vegas for a week!
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Posted - Jul 24 2020 : 4:11PM
I think it is pathetic to see so many fans, many who no doubt are frequently getting their porn from Tube sites, resenting porn performers for finding a way to make a living.
The industry has been in steep decline for years due to piracy (listen to Jon Ronson's podcast The Butterfly Effect if you doubt it) so of course the performers are going to look for more streams to make a living since they clearly can't rely on the poor, wittle victimized 'fans' to pay for their porn.
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Posted - Jul 24 2020 : 5:45PM
the problem is not girls making an onlyfans, the problem is girls charging absurd amounts of money for little content and then expecting tips on top of that for any decent content
i dont need to tip Brotha Lovers, BLACKED, or Dogfart to watch a good scene and they sure as hell are better value for money propositions than any random girl's onlyfans
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Posted - Jun 20 2020 : 4:59PM
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