Sorry, There was a big mistake in my last posting. Our currency is Euro since about 2000, and we were using this currency in practice 3 years before launch. I worked a big bank in Frankfurt, Germany. And I always change each amount I have in mind in the former DM value, crazy but it's true, even 20 years ago...So I automatically convent from DM to Dollar value, the equivalent, and once this was about 1 to 1.6 for example. But today the value is exchange value is totally diffrent. Today, right now the relation is: 100 Euro are equal to 113.26 Dollar as of today, about 11am in LA or Westcoast. So the value of the house I mentioned would be about 700 thousand Dollar about, the buy price was lower then. But I understand now your first reply, take me more time to read and translate more precise. So in the US this method is quite normal, right ? And of course I or we does not know at all, how these girls are paying this prices and what their effective net earnings are, less all taxes, all expenses of multiple sort (food, car, business costs/charge, et cetera).
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Posted - Jun 15 2020 : 4:24PM
As a performer i get that onlyfans is very lucrative... It also gives more control over your work so i get why its a good thing for them.
As a consumer, I HATE ONLYFANS.
Why? Here is some reasons...
1) The organization of content is terrible... Most of the time its a mismatch of stuff, if the performer has a lot of stuff it take forever to load, finding the good stuff you want to see in a bunch of 20 secs/3 mins random clips is hell
2) The stream quality is AWFULL, buffering/lagging like no tomorow.
3) No download so can't solve problem 2 that way, and can't watch offline
4) No trailers, no previews, no way to know what you paying for. How many times i joined an onlyfan at 15$US a month only to see it gave acces to "random small clips" and the good stuff was behind a huge paywall of what they call "PPV" at 30$ for 8 mins of scene... again without any preview.
5) I can pay 1 or 2 subs to big porn networks like Brazzers or dogfarts per month, but i can't follow 38 different onlyfans... its financially impossible and thats not counting the PPV
6) Some performers do make quality content but so much is just random cell or cheap camera on a tripod filmed scenes...
Honestly i feel onlyfans should only be to make extra revenues, to offer a more intimate experience to your fans, as in "a glimps in the life" and be between 5 and 10$. It should not replace traditional porn.
I hate that pornstar i love like Courtney Taylor have basically disapeared from regular porn. She was surprised in January some peoples commented that it was nice to see her back in porn after thinking she had retired... She was like "why peoples think i retired" , well maybe because you don't shoot pro stuff anymore... most peoples don't see you anymore.
Maybe im an OCD guy a bit, but my porn is all categorized on external HDDs by actresses, in some cases by lines/website, basically its very origanized and if i feel like seeing ... i dunno... Amy Reid - Baker Dozen 8 , well i can find this in one click, pop it in VLC and enjoy.
Its how i enjoy porn , so no onlyfans... well im not a fan.
I would prefer performers encourage more platforms like Vuli, wich has quality film scenes for 5$ a pop, you can buy individually etc
Sanson, I sent you a PM unless you just dont check messages which is ok I just thought Id let you know.
^ I keep hearing the notion of you cant download videos from onlyfans. Yes you can. Well if you are using a laptop or desk computer and you have an extension on your browser.
I also agree that its hard to support plenty of performers through subscriptions. Thats why you have social media where you can communicate about certain content. When a performer promote certain content you can then subscribe even if just to get that certain content. You dont have to continue to renew if you dont want too. Then there are sites like modelhub, manyvids, and clips4sale with some of the same content that are on onlyfans so if you dont want to subscribe to a certain performer onlyfans to get certain content you can just get it from anyone of those sites.
Its all about how to approach onlyfans in regards to making it as pleasant or not as pleasant. Sure onlyfans have its pros and cons. Even site subscriptions have its pros and cons. I heard how you can subscribe to a site then decide you want to not renew and have to jump through alot of hoops just to pull your subscription. Then not even mentioning all the hidden charges I heard some sites have. But Ive been constantly told onlyfans suck for the longest and Ive never joined but since joining yes Ive had some not so good experiences but Ive also had some great experiences that make me wonder why didnt I join sooner? lol. If you want to know at this moment who I recommend and not recommend and my experiences both good and bad just PM and Ill be gladly to spill the beans on those performers.
That's sounds awful indeed. Of course, the ones who are on OF who have a higher reputation can make much money and revenues as in regular movies. And I agree, I like to see harder and better stuff as to seen i.g. Brazzers, Evil Angel and so on. And also really bad not have a download option. And bad streaming is surely BS. Also lack of stuff and clips in a higher quality and quantity, mean the length, not only 5,6 minutes. I see nothing for me in the long run. But my question is, are there alternatives where I can find some porn stars or only unknown beginners, amateurs. My only reason is to check a few of my fav stars, and only booking 3,4 of them because of too expensive prices/booking, the problem is who to try first. So I would need experiences of users with the one or another performer for not buying pig in a poke. My favs are all on OF. My focus however are live shows and chatting with a girl. In my case for some reason. Any notes ?
Can you get off this royalty crap please. Hollywood makes billion$ and hardly gives royalties to actors, in the few times they do it's for a MAJOR star to pay them less and it's because the project is low budget. Most times they rather give the actor 20-30mil for a big budget movie. Hollywood studios have NO problem sinking 200-300million into a high project. When it comes to TV shows they have to give royalties because the show is a hit (friends, big bang theory etc.) and it will kill the show if the main actors get replaced. If the actors get ahead of themselves, the studios just cancel the series or replace them and let the series die a slow death. Porn doesn't do TV show or movie number$ and the actors are easily replaceable so royalties make no financial sense. In state and fed law the actors are employees and have been paid for their labour. There is affiliate marketing which majority of actors don't participate in. Porn girls want full pay ($1,000+) AND royaltie$, this makes no sense, they sign a release form giving up ALL rights to their likeness and performance forever, might as well pay the camera guy and makeup artist royalties as well. And they still curse onlyfans, they want OF to take less than 20% which is impossible since OF needs to make profit aside from payment processing and dev work. It's impossible to charge less for digital adult products, that's credit cards/bank decision not OF or CCBILL. Some of these girls want to make all the money and not take any risk. If they want all the money, they need to start their own site. Even then they need to pull in 50k per month minimum to get low rates which won't drop below 6% since visa/mastercard's actual rates vary from 2-4% depending on type of card plus the bank AND payment processor charge transaction fees as well.
^ It's interesting that you assumed I was talking about mainstream Hollywood movies when I made no explicit comparison, nor did I say a solution would be to pay a star their full fee plus royalties as I was pretty confident it wasn't sustainable so can you get off this straw man crap please? Is there a reason why you took this strategy of countering something I didn't say yet you haven't countered the point of ownership of content and the potential to repeat earning income from it?
Go check your PM as I sent you my experiences on OF with a good amount of performers lol.
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ReturnOfTheDude Deactivated User
110 Posts 9/18
Posted - Jun 15 2020 : 7:15PM
Well i don't have it because i have a computer on an old operating system (vista). And even if i had... it lag/buff all the time. I tough it was due to my computer being old (wich would make sense) but it does the same on my phone. My connection let me stream HD MOVIES on netflix/xbox and i game without any issues, so if its because i need an even better connection, well not gonna happen. I won't pay 100$ of internet just to have better stream from onlyfans lol. I am alone on my connection so my 25 mbps is fine for everything i want to do...
^^ I get what you are saying. Yeah lagging and buffering definitely sucks. So yeah if you cant download and your connection will cause lagging and buffering then I see why it would be a pain.
ÄI will do, just before I subscribe the "wrong performer", within the last 3 days I have to change my opions about the one and other girl there, for the good and also for the bad. I will ask you about names and experiences with those.
That is extremly interresting what you wrote, my issue right now, trying to subscribe OF, and also for my thoughts about what a top performer like Angel White, Abella Danger, Cherie Deville or Adriana Chechik generate about revenues for able to buy estate with prices of more than about 650 thousand $. So If I undestand you a little bit, you say on a shooting they get a fixed payment close to the cameraman and other stuff and concering OF, they get only about 20 % revenues of the entire payment of a subsciption, right ?? But you also mentioned to run their own website for a higher income as on OF for example. But is this not their "own" site on OF as to see on each twitter link ? Or is it just a account there on OF with her own name ? I know sounds a little bit naive, but I don't get your statement to its full plot and meaning.
I've been having weird glitches on some free trials where I ended up being charged. One happened a month ago where the account self-renewed after a 1 day trial when it was not supposed to by default. I complained to OF and they answered weeks later saying that I was supposed to ensure that the renew button button was struck.
The second major glitch happened yesterday while viewing Ashley Manson's free account. Apparently it was an all PPV account. When I tried viewing her photo library as a collage (like Instagram), it charged me for several times for individual ppv photo posts. I think several charges for the same post which shouldn't even be possible. I contacted support to complain but they haven't responded yet. In reviewing their terms of service, all purchases are final and disputing the purchases with my credit card (chargebacks) would deactivate my account.
But is it? I doubt it. Because how/why could i stream HD movies out of Xbox Live (their VOD store) and Netflix AND youtube but for some reason some phone camera videos buff every 5 secs on onlyfans... make no sense. Think it comes from the website.
I like the concept of OnlyFans. I like that it puts the means of production in the hands of the workers and gives the performers more financial freedom and thus more leverage over studios. A lot of wrong shit has gone on in this industry for a long time, and I hope the explosion of OnlyFans forces change.
I hope that as more performers find OF and similar platforms increasingly lucrative, they start to professionalise their content more because they have the finances to do so. Regular, high quality content from my fav performers via OF is the dream. I really like the work of some studios and I continue to pay for it, but I like paying the performer directly.
That said, I would caution people to be super careful about ordering custom content. If you tip big on OF, understand you are choosing to do that at your own risk and there is very little chance you'll be getting that money back if what you want isn't delivered. I know this because of the multiple posts I have seen on this forum from people who have been ripped off. I would only order a custom from someone who has a fantastic reputation for them in terms of both quality and reliability, e.g. Casey Calvert.
I have a fav performer and I have tipped her quite nicely on OF and paid for the content she's sent out for sale in the DM's. We have had nice interactions, though I am not interested in sexting or in keeping her attention because I know she's got hundreds or thousands of other people in her DM's. I understand that this is her business, we aren't friends and she isn't online just to DM one on one with me. She doesn't send out spam DM's constantly like some performers. I am fairly confident that she is the one managing her OF (though she is a very popular performer right now). She doesn't reply to DM right away unless the tip is big (that's how OF works) but she replies within 24 hours most of the time (regardless of tip/no tip), and she's always professional and nice. I have never ordered a custom video because this place has made me wary of doing so, but I have ordered some (very simple) personalized pics. The first set she delivered pretty much immediately (same day). I tipped $150 a week ago for another (very basic, but again personalized) set and have yet to receive them. She has continued to reply to messages and she hasn't ghosted. I am patient, not pushy, and I assume she's just busy. That said, I don't know if I'll be purchasing anything else apart from the content she sends out for subscribers to unlock. I was thinking of ordering a custom (she's the only performer in interested in having one from right now), but I'm not sure now.
For the girls who do rip off their customers (I don't consider this performer in that category, at least not yet, so I'm not naming her), I just don't get it. When someone is a reliable, repeat source of income for you, why burn that bridge? Especially with studio production shut down. It makes no sense. You can keep milking that customer for years if you keep them happy! 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
Performers should always be shown respect though. I think it's entirely reasonable to inquire about why you haven't received content you have paid for, but it's not okay to abuse them or try to monopolize their time like you're the only one they're dealing with.
Have reasonable expectations, be cautious, have fun!
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Posted - Jun 18 2020 : 5:41AM
Onlyfans is not for me.
While I do believe some girls have good content here and there, and most of them charge a fair price, let's say 10$ a month, however most of them have bad quality 10-30 second booty shaking clips and other mundane stuff. Absolutely not worth the monthly subscription, even for that price. If you want to have the ''real deal'', they'll DM you in which the longer vids (10+ minutes) or in some cases pictures, are hidden behind an extra paywall. Some of them ask 30$ just for one vid. You'll get daily DM's and then I'm asking myself: what's the point, if all the good stuff is hidden behind paywalls? Seriously. We all know what you can get for that price instead. I know cause I had several OF subscriptions since last year but I don't see the point anymore really. Hence why many people are reluctant to talk positively about OF, and I don't blame them.
I agree, I will for the first time subsricbe any of my favs, but I don't like extra pay-wall, because I don't know why, I've got any films of each of these girls, where they are doing nearly everything, so why paying extra as you said for litle short movies, where the girls just shake theri booties ? Why?
Unfortunately it is gone, so maybe, I fear he deleted our conversation over 2,3 days for certain reason which are on my charge, I hope for answer. It was my mistake. Sorry.
But I have a technical question. I booked a woman yesterday for the first time on OF, but everything I tried there , failed, so I wasn't in the know at all. No plan, no support, could not find any guidelines on or off this site. Does anybody can help me or giving me a site for support, advice or guidelines on OF ? Wanted book, one or another woman there these days, but under such conditions, curumstances I surely don't sorry. I never knew in my "IT carrer" of about 42 years such a bad site regarding surface or menue etc. Thanks
^ OF does have a support page on Twitter. When you said you "booked" a woman there, are you saying you tried subscribing to her page but it didn't work? You may have to disable ad blocking plugins or change your settings on them.
Thanks, no,. I subscribed this morning for special, certain reasons a page,but first It did'nt work actually. I switched in english version to get the right wording. I the subsribing worked, but being brand new at all there, I have extremly problems for nagivating the site, where and how can I this or that. For subscriber or cumstomer there are no guidlnes atl all. All you can find are rules and guidilines for creators, not for their visitors. I tried to write an DM to this women, but failed or I don't know if and where I can see that my message was seen and so on, how to communicate. I feel helpless there and wthout understanding this site and how to work there, I will not subsicribe other bookings at all. Maybe somebody has idea where to find guidlines for users of OF. Sorry for this. Thank you. The support I found it, but did not know if it helpful, wrote a message to the support there, but till now no reply at all.
I used to follow about 11 onlyfans accounts, but a few only posted ppv nudes so I moved on. Now I follow a few pros (Kissa Sins/Katrina Jade) a few pro/am and (Brittany Elizabeth/Pinky Powers/Octokuro) and latex fetish models(Latex Lucy/Starfucked).
Most of them post free explicit content and the others make it clear they charge a flat price for the goodies.
It's really a case of subbing and unsubbing those who don't provide what you want for the price you want.
Btw, Katrina Jade posts nude solo vids all the time with no extra dms, and Kissa has all her ppv vids for $3
Unfortunately yes. My biggest issue with OF is the lack of transparency on the accounts. Some accounts have a high video count but they can be little more than shitty 10 second teasers and you don't find this out until you have subscribed, only to be charged more for the full video via DM. Even then, premium content is often poorly described and if it's the performer working with someone else, they often don't bother to point out who they're working with.
Some accounts are brilliant but with others they have lots to improve upon to put it politely.
So in other words is a kind of Russian roulette, you got luck with the one you chose or it is the bad end of the deal. So it is about having a feeling for the good one. My biggest problem is the navigation on the sites, the surface, easy handling or unclear and confusing, and of course angry to have a lack of content.
^^ You are right about transparency. One performer definitely I feel like gave me the run around with transparency. I think though you have to understand how things work so you wont constantly have bad experiences.
Its like when you ask for content, the performer normally will just say give them a naughty or generous tip. For me I would much prefer to know the exact price. The reason is because my definition of a generous tip might be different from the performer and Im waiting for the day I sent them my definition of a generous tip only for them to tell me thats not enough spoil them more lol. Seriously though then I notice that if you just wait for them to just post the content in the DM its alot cheaper. I paid $45 for a video from one performer because I asked. When she posted it in DM it was like $10 at best. I wasnt even mad because I asked for it when I first subscribed because I wanted it badly not to just wait eventually for it. What did make me mad was I paid for another video $20 because again I asked. She posted that same video in the DM but the description was so no transparent that made me think it was a different video so I unlocked it and it was the same video. Yes it was cheaper like what $6 but still like had she been more transparent that wouldve never happened. I learned after that to just ask if its the same video I already purchased. I didnt even bother letting her know that I purchased the same video I just took it in stride and learn my lesson the hard way.
If you are looking for a performer though that does post full videos and alot pictures without teasers then you have to buy the full video in the DMs you need to check Rahyndee James. Yes her subscription is $19.99 but she dont post content in DMs. All her stuff is on her main homepage and its all full videos. You get all your money worth plus more. Plus she will answer your DMs so dont be shy to hit her up. She is super nice, fun, and of course beautiful.
Thank you very much LezFan, i short personally question, why stopping our conversation, would like to get a short tip or clue, so my first experience on OF failed completely. S I must really seriously reflect, which performer I will subscrib next. Thank you so much.
Yes, agree, the content I saw on this certain site I booked was just a few, too less for being good and not knowing if there are more, so maybe it is, also did not found how to chat or how to see livestream, but maybe,maybe there are restrictions and I am not allowed, would be another reason not to book this again. Sadly to speak but it is a matter of fact.
You have all hit on what I consider to be OF only major flaw. You have to fork over at least 5$ (likely more) to find out that you will have to fork over a lot more money to actually get the good stuff. I suspect that quite a few models figured out that they can get more people to sign up if they offer discounts or make their main OF account free because then the person signing up will be more open to paying for the good stuff which in the past would not have been available with just the sign up price.
I don't think OF is not a sustainable platform in it's current form because I don't care how huge of a porn fan you are. Sooner or later you will stop joining another OF account hoping that this one will be different than the dozen(or more) of ast ones you tried and were royally disappointed in. Right now I can sort of understand that since most sites have stopped updating that we have extra money we can put in trying various OF accounts but I wonder how many of those you found were worth it and how many weren't. Will that accelerate the demise of OF as it now stands?
^ You can also look at it like this. With all the stories of abuse and being mistreated on set, performers will even that much more start to focus on their OF. Abigail actually said in her cam show recently that when the industry opens back up she wont be shooting right away. She is going to wait and continue to focus on her OF. Katrina said she wont be shooting she will just focus on her OF. Ashley Adams said thats why she stopped shooting. I think Dana DeArmond said she will only focus on her OF. Cadence she she will only shoot for MissaX and Kink. The list goes on. So the talk can be about how bad OF is BUT if thats the only place you can see your favorite performers because they wont or will rarely shoot for studios then its either OF or not see your favorite performers.
You have all hit on what I consider to be OF only major flaw. You have to fork over at least 5$ (likely more) to find out that you will have to fork over a lot more money to actually get the good stuff. I suspect that quite a few models figured out that they can get more people to sign up if they offer discounts or make their main OF account free because then the person signing up will be more open to paying for the good stuff which in the past would not have been available with just the sign up price.
I don't think OF is not a sustainable platform in it's current form because I don't care how huge of a porn fan you are. Sooner or later you will stop joining another OF account hoping that this one will be different than the dozen(or more) of ast ones you tried and were royally disappointed in. Right now I can sort of understand that since most sites have stopped updating that we have extra money we can put in trying various OF accounts but I wonder how many of those you found were worth it and how many weren't. Will that accelerate the demise of OF as it now stands?
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Interesting, so never subscribed since yesterday, I am absolutley doubtful and agree with you. I read yesterday in a new report that OF gained extremely regarding subscriber, just due Covid-19 crises. Many people must stay home, lockdown and quarantine, so they should find an onther "play ground" for their sexual activities and for spending time in their homes. So all the subscribers got unplanned extra or much higher amount of revenues just because of the sudden "appearing" of Corona virus. Als "our" porn performer as well. I also don't know if this is sustainable, maybe after coming back to "normal" porn shootings in a raw,as it was before, this phenomenon will fading away bit by bit. And of course the question is if the prices are in an opportune proportion to the offer and performance the respective lady are serving. All in all this seems to be an easy way to generate fa
PS found these days any performers who are on fanCentro. What is this and where is the difference to OF, somebody knew this. And BTW sadly to say, just read a posting of Texas Patti, today she has her first shooting on mainstream movies. I fear she will leave porn, only a feeling for certain reasons I got. She is one of my absolutely favs. But it would be an big exception cause nobody I knew on porn biz since Tracy Lords ever got the move to mainstream. For her it would be good, for me and us lesse. But the wrong topic, sorry.
Is there a way to bring back a deleted conversions, as it found out, it was me, myself who in a case of overtired and sleeping pushed the wrong button. Thanks for help and support.
I think a likely scenario is that some of the bigger-named stars migrate entirely over to a combination of OF and selling content on ManyVids. I'm seeing that a lot with stars like Angel Long, who films her own content & sells it on ManyVids while maintaining an OnlyFans account as well. However, given the production costs associated with trying to film higher-quality scenes which consumers are definitely going to want I doubt we'll be in a situation where the larger conglomerate-backed sites are in any trouble. Even stars like Angel (or Sinn Sage) who primarily film their own stuff are still willing to shoot for major companies. Though I do think the days of smaller studio sites are pretty much a thing of history.
I'm with all of you, for the most part, on OF. Personally, I like the stuff done by studios. It's always done better. OF stuff is mostly cell phone stuff and usually just the girl by herself doing whatever.
But, I think this thread has gotten more attention since the Covid hit. I mean, let's face it, right now what other choice do these girls have? I think all this needs to be taken in context. This pandemic has shut down Hollywood! That's billions and billions of dollars. The porn community has no where near the power that Hollywood has, so it has been hit really really hard! No one is shooting porn. They are not even shooting regular movies because of people having to be in close proximity to each other. Nothing is closer to people being near each other than porn. Wear a mask to not breathe on someone? How about putting your dick in someone? Burying your tongue in someone's asshole? Nothing compares to porn. Let's just all share our body fluids and hope?
Trust me, personally, I'd rather never have to go to an OF page again. I'd much rather just subscribe to a site and get everything I need, but that is just not the times we are living in.
I think once (if) this thing is over, we will all get back to the porn we love. At least I hope so. Cuz yeah, OF sucks. Even for the girls who run a good page.
It's moot point because that will never happen but for the sake of the argument. If tomorrow every single performer decides to switch to OF then tomorrow is when I start to only watch the porn I have already saved on my various drives or join sites that have older library of content. I am kind of curious to see if there are any decent OF accounts but since most people who join OF are always vague about what your join price gets you then my curiosity will have to remain unsatisfied.
So I am older and living in Germany and cannot say or estimate, what the majority of porn users of different age prefers these days, please reading what I wrote above about a behavior and porn consumer study on OF. You are absolutely right, that this change and fast rising or increasing of OF has primalery to do with covid-19 pandamy and its bad consequences so far. And of course Hollywood is defenitely another level. But they also seems to be unsure what will happen, regarding starting to shoot new seasons of crime shows like NCIS, NCIS LA, favs of me. Or even maistream movies with big budgets. So a huge impact on the financial side as you already said. If the "old times" come back, whenever this crisis is over, I don't know. But of course this small and short vids made with smartphones small cameras, I don't know has not the quality on all "fields" importing for shootings, light, quality of the pics, sharpness etc. and me I prefer of course, harder stuff, you never can realize alone or with a not existing budget like GB, Bukkake and so on. The situation of the female performer also seems to be diffrent. The likes of Adriana, Abella, Angela White, Cherie and others seems to have so much follower, subscriber and supporter on all sites where they offer their stuff and can generate enough or even real much revenues. But there are others, probably the majority of all current active performers who have lesser income and maybe get a little bit problems regarding financial issues.
Posted - Jun 15 2020 : 5:22AM
