Bree Mills

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Interestingly, it seems your "most popular" models page is different from mine! The top two on my page is Riley Reid and Abbie! After playing around with the sexual preference slider (my default is "lesbian only"), that seems to make no difference.

You are probably right that view number is more important, but I wanted ratings because I'm more interested in how g/g enthusiasts (who presumably are the ones doing ratings instead of just viewing) regard the women. But you have a point. Perhaps it's better to do a more comprehensive analysis that includes views? I'll think about it.

Edited by - blackdragontea on 6/20/2024 12:23:02 PM

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- Woman with the highest average scene ratings?
- Woman with the highest average scene views?

Some exclusions and criteria:
- I'm not counting any BTS, solo, interview, European scenes (lezcuties etc.).
- I'm also not counting any affiliate (such as Burning Angels) and partner scenes, pandemic remote scenes.
- To avoid the problem of recent scenes not accumulating enough views, I also exclude 2024 scenes.
- Some minimum scene requirement should exist, though I haven't made up my mind if it should be 5 or 10.

Based on very (emphasis on very) partial results, the woman with the highest rating is surprisingly Rebel Lynn at 96.46 (not expecting that were you? neither did I). And this is not based on a fluke of one or two scenes. She has done 13 scenes. We'll see if that holds up.

I honestly have no clue who has averaged the most views. If you put a gun to my head and force me to take a guess, I'd say... Alina Lopez? This is based on the fact that her True Lesbian scene with Kendra Spade (What Set Us Apart) has 172,774 views, which is almost certainly the most viewed scene. But that's just one scene, so who knows.

Also, here's another question: do you think the g/g "aficionados" and the "unwashed masses" have similar taste? Here's how I think we can approach this question: far more people view a scene than give it a rating (the ratio is probably anywhere from 10:1 to 100:1). Presumably only the true enthusiasts will give the scene a rating. So the question is: do the ratings correlate with view numbers? I can also try the number of comments and see if that correlates with view numbers (presumably even fewer people -- only the really dedicated -- will comment).

If such correlation exists, it implies the "elite" and "popular" tastes are not so different; if there is no correlation, then it implies "elite" tastes really do differ from the average viewer. What do you think?

p.s.: I agree with aclayfan that the number of scenes is not that interesting, as it heavily depends on career longevity and availability. In any event, that is almost certainly going to be Kenna James.

Edited by - blackdragontea on 6/21/2024 6:41:19 PM

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Just to be clear, my questions are not just for aclayfans. Everyone is invited to take some guesses. It's just for entertainment purpose.

With respect to scene ratings and Rebel Lynn, well, first, I need to go back and watch some of her scenes (I don't remember any of hers).

Second, a big complicating factor is partner contribution. If a particular actress gets "lucky" and happens to get paired with a string of really popular partners, her score will get artificially inflated. And vice versa, of course. I'm afraid my data analysis skill is not nearly good enough to adjust for such nuances.

For those who are familiar with American baseball, here's an analogy: ratings and views are like batting averages and RBI -- "traditional" statistics that are considered very crude -- whereas modern baseball has long since moved onto much more advanced "sabermetric" stats (like Wins Above Replacement/WAR and others). Gamma/Adult Time has their own algorithms to evaluate the women they cast (in an interview, Porno Dan mentioned this), and I'm sure they have much more sophisticated statistics to play around with.

You are certainly right that casual fans don't whine as much. In fact, they don't say much at all. Which is part of the definition of being casual.

As for Lana Rhodes, I'll certainly take note of the ratings, views, and comments of her scenes. But it's not clear to me how to evaluate how much she is "wanted."

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Also, based on the stats that I'm collecting, there should also be some limited ability to analyze things with respect to time and different "channels." For example, which channel do you guys think get more views, Mommy's Girls or Web Young?

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1. Mommy's Girls vs Moms on Moms: which channel has more views?
2. We Like Girls vs. True Lesbian: which channel has more views?
3. I have voiced my guess that "What Set Us Apart" with Alina Lopez and Kendra Spade is the most viewed scene. Do you agree? Or do you think there are other scenes that has even more views?

Anyway, until I'm done with the project, here is a review of a scene between Kenzie Taylor and Charlie Forde released on 4/15/24. There are a few points that I'm not happy with (more on those later), but overall it's an excellent scene, and has solidified Charlie's position in my mind as one of the best current g/g performers. In every one of her scenes, she has shined.

This is an All Girl Massage scene and Kenzie plays the masseuse here. Normally these scenes have no plot, but here we have Charlie charging in as a pissed off wife, who suspects her husband has been getting too happy with the massage that he has been receiving. It's honestly quite a fun premise to start a scene, but unfortunately this is quickly forgotten later on. Too bad. Anyway, the massage plays out just normally, including some sexy moments where Kenzie squeezes Charlie's nice boobs. Eventually she starts finger fucking Charlie. Here's my biggest gripe about the scene -- Kenzie's fingering skill is excellent, but she has really long nails. It makes me wince just watching it.

Anyway, she fucks Charlie deeply while rubbing her clit -- other than the nails, this looks gorgeous. Later she eats Charlie's pussy and we have excellent closeups to see her licking and sucking on Charlie's clit. Then she goes back to finger fucking, except now she uses three fingers to fuck Charlie deeply.

More beautiful, alternating finger fucking and pussying eating follows. Then Charlie plays with Kenzie's oiled big boobs. Then they do some tribbing, which is often pretty awkward, and here is extra awkward because of the small massage bed.

Then Charlie eats Kenzie's pussy. Her oral is just excellent, and there are some really good camera angles during this part, both from above and closeup.

The scene ends with a 69, which can be hit and miss, but it's definitely a hit here. Both women closely grip each other (probably in fear of falling off the tiny massage bed). Charlie is on top and finger fucks Kenzie, and also sucks on her clit. Meanwhile Kenzie, on the bottom, just inhales Charlie's pussy. Yummy. Anyway, there's a bit more at the end where Charlie squirts, which I don't much care for.

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Nowadays unless Im missing something there isnt any cross reference whatsoever. I wonder why? I think its just lack of creativity plus with AdultTime just pumping out scene after scene for so many channels its hard to stick with that one thing that make so many other things feel connected. I know Girlfriends Films used to do that too in the past but they no longer do it as well.

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I'm imagining Ricky Greenwood and Stella Smut having an hour-long call every week to make sure all their scripts wink at each other lol

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In the beginning, those stories existed separately. Later, his stories began to refer to characters and plot in his other stories. Later still, as he began to attract a bunch of admirers who were also writers, they began to write stories which were not only inspired by Lovecraft's ideas and themes, but also referred to his and each other's stories in their stories. Eventually all their stories formed an interconnected mythology that featured gods, heroes, monsters, settings, and themes in common. This is the "Cthulhu mythos" -- or just "the mythos" -- a "shared fictional universe."

You referred to the proliferation of channels. Currently I'm doing a massive project that is trying to see who the "best girl" is. I'm not even half way done with it yet, but this certainly appears to be true so far, as I'm counting almost 50 of them. Early on in this project, I made a decision to group story-based series into one channel as "Feature" (e.g. Girlcore, Teenage Lesbian, Popular). Perhaps not surprisingly, this "channel" as a whole has the second highest view count. Though to what extent this is attributable to the story and to what extent it's due to the strong cast, I cannot say.

Incidentally, and surprisingly, there is one other tiny (by number of videos) channel that has even more views, based on the data I gathered so far. Can anyone guess what that channel is?

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- Sex Tape Lesbians: was this part of GW from the very beginning? Or was this some legacy website they got? If so, I'm inclined to just not count those scenes.
- All Girl Massage: I know this was an independent site that got folded into GW. Does anyone know when they started in-house production of this channel?
- Web Young: it seemed to have started in 2014, but the exact date/scene is not clear, as there were a bunch of solo and/or European scenes in there, which were perhaps content licensed from elsewhere.
- Mommy's Girl: the earliest scene listed was on 2014-08-23 with Halle Von, Dakota James, Phoenix Marie, titled "Lessons In Anal." Was this the first scene? Or did they get this from somewhere else?

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When cruising the GirlsWay site (great name btw!) I was disappointed that there didn't seem to be photo sets available. Maybe I just missed something, so I'll re-check, but there does seem to be general moving away from pics to video in the porn biz. There's only so many thousands of hours of hot Lesbian Sex a guy can sort through
and watch in a lifetime, so it would be nice if there was a GirlsWay photo archive of all those luscious Lesbians. Stills from video shoots, maybe? A few well written short stories by/for the models would be a nice addition as well. Either way, I will definitely be checking in on the GirlsWay Ladies again!

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(Well, one of them is not American but works in the US. Can you name all of them? Bonus question: what do they all have in common?)

If you are interested in those Viv Thomas girls of old, keep in mind that most of them had done a lot of work for 21 Sextury, which is part of the Adult Time network, which means there is a TON of photosets of them available on Adult Time/Girlsway.

(Can you name all of them? Bonus question: what's so miraculous about them?)

p.s.: as I mentioned elsewhere, the best photosets these days are probably from Slayed, both non-sex and sex photos.

(Can you name all of them?)

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Here's an example of the glamour nudes I'm talking about. Such a shame they ditched them:

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It's so good, I will probably restart my Girlsway membership over the July 4th weekend. The GW scene releases have been of pretty consistent quality over the last several months so perhaps now is the time to rejoin....

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About the guesses, I'm doing the Miracle Generation because they're my favorites!!! They are: Peaches, Nesty, Sandra Shine, Monica Sweet or simply Jo, Eve Angel, Vera or Dana Kelly, Sandy Fantasy (I think is her, but I'm not entirely sure) and Sophie Moone. About the question, the thing that made them so miracoulous was that all were only G/G performers!!!

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But very good guesses on the Viv Thomas girls! You are very close, but not quite completely correct 😁

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Sophie Moone with one of her hot Blonde Lesbian Playmates.

And my own little tribute to Queen Zafira to complete the "Mount Rushmore" of the Miracle Generation of 100% Girls Only Lesbian Porn Queens,
Eve Angel, Sophie Moone, Zafira and Jo deserve the Mother of all Lesbian Porn Lifetime Achievement Awards Banquet and Sapphic Sister Family Reunion Party.

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OK so this is the start of my most ambitious project yet. Originally, I simply wanted to find out which girl was the most popular, measured by audience ratings, in the history of Adult Time/Girlsway (hereafter GW for short). However, as aclayfan suggested, views meant a lot more, so I expanded on the data I collected. Meanwhile, additional questions presented themselves. So this project expanded monstrously. This will be a multi-part (and I do mean multi) presentation that will be posted over time. In this first part, I will address a few basic questions. Unfortunately, this post will be all text. I promise that starting with the next post, there will be graphics.

Questions

I want to explore which scenes, stars, and channels are the most popular in the history of GW.

Data

I will base my conclusion on number of scenes, views, ratings, and comments.

Exclusions

I want to focus on the "core" GW scenes, stars, and regular g/g scenes, therefore the following will be excluded: all European scenes (though I will make a separate analysis later for them), affiliated studios (Burning Angels, Devil's Films, etc.), solo/BTS/interview scenes, pandemic-era remote scenes, and compilation scenes.

Sources of Error

Scene popularity will be judged on views, ratings, and comments. Star popularity will be based on the views, ratings, and comments of the scenes they performed in. There are two sources of error.

- A minor source of error is what I call speed error. Since I'm entering all data manually, it took me about 2 weeks (the second half of June 2024). So all numbers that appear in this project are only accurate (assuming I've made no typo) up to the point when I recorded them. Inevitably these will have increased since then, but there's nothing I can do about that.

- A much larger source of error is what I can accumulation error: a scene that was released in 2018 would have 4 more years to accumulate views/ratings/comments than a scene that was released in 2022.

How I address "accumulation error"

I have excluded all scenes released in 2024 since these don't have the time to accumulate enough views.

But there are strong reasons to suspect this is not enough. In July last year I did a project that recorded the number of views of scenes released from Jan to June of 2023. This time when I looked at the view numbers, they have gone up on average by about 50% over one year.

In other words, a scene released a year ago may have 50% more views purely due to being out longer, not because it's actually better liked by the audience. The further back one goes, the bigger this error gets.

Bottom line: comparing scenes and stars across multiple years is pretty much meaningless with the crude data that I have.

Instead, when I present comparisons, I will focus on comparing scenes and stars within the same year. Scenes released earlier in the year and their stars will still have an advantage over those released later in the year, but this is the best I can do.

Cutoff

In most hetero scenes, the guy is just a penis. For lesbian scenes, the active participation of both women is crucial. An average performer who does a single scene in a year, but is lucky to be partnered with an excellent partner, may have more views and higher rating than a better performer who does 10 scenes, but is burdened with a bunch of mediocre partners. So there should be a minimum scene cutoff to qualify for views/ratings/comments comparison.

There is however a tradeoff. If the cutoff is too high, it excludes too many from competition, and ends up evaluating which women GW cast the most often, instead of whom the audience likes the most.

After experimenting with various numbers, I've settled on using the median number of scenes each year as the cutoff. This means about half (due to rounding typically a bit more) of the women are excluded from the popularity contest. It turns out this number is 2 for all the years, which means when examining popularity, I only look at women who have done at least 3 scenes in that year.

OK this is the end of the first part of this presentation. Again, apologies about the wall of text. Tomorrow's post will begin to present actual results, some in graphic form.

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I understand that GirlsWay is under some corporate "Big Porn" umbrella, and business is business etc, but it would be nice to be able to sign up, click "No Thanks" on the special offer,
and go straight to cruising the photo & video collections, without having to navigate through a sea of ad-banners of other sites, including hetero sites in all their gynecological glory.
Maybe I'm missing something and need to navigate better, but I have to say that so far, I'm less than thrilled at having signed up. Thank you, and again, please take this in the spirit
of constructive criticism from a longtime straight guy Lesbian lover.

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- You are certainly right about the acting: all their scenes have some pretense of plot. In the old days there was some real melodramatic, but nowadays mostly it feels just obligatory.

- You probably have realized this already, but if not, if you are only interested in lesbian scenes, select the "lesbian only" preference on the upper left.

- Tattoos and toys are matters of personal taste, but if you don't wish to see those, use the "Categories" selection and you can click on the eye with line across it to block scenes with these (clicking on the filters themselves will select for them). These filters are not perfect since scenes are not always coded accurately, so the results are not necessarily perfect.

- Another thing that I do is select the "Adult Time Originals" option. The reason is that Adult Time licenses an enormous amount of content from other producers, who may use different actresses and produce content of very different styles. So this option gives you a "pure" Girlsway/Adult Time taste. Block that option, and you can get a taste from a wide selection of other producers.

Keep an eye on this thread as I'll post an analysis of Girlsway content from the past 10 years. Hopefully this will prove interesting to you as a new member. Feel free to ask any questions.

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This part provides a statistical overview of the data that I have gathered.

Using the exclusion criteria that I explained in the previous post (only core studios sex scenes), I recorded the date, actresses, views, rating, and comments of every scene, 2,366 in total, that was released from Jan 1, 2014 to Dec 31, 2023. Below is a summary of the statistics.

For Rating, the lowest rated scene is 70, and the highest is 99 (curious that none has achieved 100). Though overall the audience is quite generous, as most scores are tightly grouped around 95.

For Comments, they range from just one to 143, but most are between 13 to 35.

For Views, they range from about 7,000 to almost 180,000, but most are between 27,000 and 38,000.

If you look at GW over time, a rollercoaster-like pattern emerges. Here's the number of the scenes released every year.

The first couple of years were clearly the "ramp-up" period. The productivity reached a peak in 2018 at 320 scenes released ... and then the pandemic happened. At the lowest point of 2021, just 172 scenes were released. Things have since recovered somewhat, reaching 201 scenes in 2023, but never coming close to the height of the late 2010s. Here is some very concrete evidence that the coronavirus (among other things) permanently changed porn.

The pattern for Views Per Scene and Comments Per Scene per year are somewhat similar.

There's a ramp-up (especially in comments), a peak for both at 2019, then a pandemic drop, then a slight recovery to a lower level. The end of the recovery period (2023) is quite low, but this is likely due to the effect these scenes having been released only recently, and have not accumulated enough views and comments (see yesterday's post for a more detailed discussion on this "accumulation error"), so I don't believe we are trending down again.

The Rating is a percentage calculation based on Likes and Dislikes (not raw numbers like views or comments), so is perhaps less affected by accumulation. This is reflected in the chart below - a much sharper rise/fall/rise, closely mirroring the scenes released per year pattern.

Overall, there's no question that GW reached a peak in terms of quantity around 2018-19. Was that also a "golden age" in terms of quality/popularity with the audience? This is a plausible argument.

Another implication is that comparing the popularity of stars across time is even more difficult - not only older stars (those who performed mostly in the pre-pandemic era) benefit from a longer time to accumulate views and comments (and perhaps rating) -- there is also a big disruption around 2020-21. Do we even have the same audience anymore? Was there a big exodus of members at the time, and a small influx afterward? I have no answer to that.

This is end of part 2. See you in part 3 tomorrow, where I explore some interesting difference among different viewers of GW.

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