I really don't understand the hate for this site. I'm not a member yet, but I think it's really intriguing and from the clips I've seen most of it is super hot.
^ Many if not most of the haters are IR fans who can't forget she neber performed one , how dares she to shoot those? Plus she she shot some of her friends and former fellow co-stars at Digital Playground such as Riley Steele and Jesse Jane , how dares she shoot such longtime "dodgers"? If this wasn't enough already to piss some of those iR fans she even shot often with Jason Luv some of them IR fanatics consider him a Latino so how dares she shoot IR with a non-black performer? Shame on her!.
So some judge her works full throttle with an autopilot inserted ,: bad stuff worse director.
Some may genuinely dislike her style often with a plot focused over attraction between those involved rather than just mechanical sex , the position she choses are often those capable to satisfy a woman rather than show man's dominance , that too sometimes but not rough , dominant sex doesn't equate with violent sex. A dominant man yust need to be in charge or just dictate the rythm to his own desire or simply make the woman feel his strength , there's no need to slap, choke , immobilize , push it in deeper than she could take or spit anybody to show your dominance , you can dominate even passively by forcing your rythm when she's riding you or deciding how deep you want to be sucked and how long , you just have to be in charge that's all. She also shows women in charge doing the same thing but on a feminine point of view by chosing the position , the depth of the penetration , the rythm of it , whether let him cum or not , or even just dirty talking to him and tellimg him what to do next and how to do it, stuff like that
she puts all of this even though no scene is particularly focused over anything , they're just part of it between lust phases with hugs , kisses , pushing back , strong thrusts , moaning and words placed at the right time sometimes the focus is on the clothes you may find a bride or not with all the veils flying around the white color of the lingerie exalted by the light and other stuff like that
as I said I like her stuff
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Irons Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 20 2019 : 4:07AM
I canceled my subscription a long time ago
Kayden Kross should close deeper and focus on G/G ... she's so talented !
such a waste of talent ...
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Posted - Dec 20 2019 : 7:57AM
My dislike for deeper has nothing to do with anything you've described above. What I dislike is the fact that watching most scenes feels like watching a scene with the sun in your face. I guess you could say it's part of her "style" but yeah I like to focus on that talent, not get blinded by sunlight, or a fireside, or any other form of illumination.
^^My theory is that many of the so called haters complain about Deeper because they are envious of the production quality of each Deeper scene. I suspect many of them wish that they could see such quality in their brand of porn but they miss the obvious in that few porn producers know how to do that and those that do simply don't have the budget to do it.
^I agree that it would be amazing to see Kayden directed g/g scenes and it's too bad that she can't shoot the odd one for Deeper or even better for an entire Lansky lesbian site. That said. Whoever was responsible for many of Girlfriend Films lesbian videos from 2005 to about 2012 could also do some amazing things with a Deeper production timeline and budget.
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paneyapp Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 21 2019 : 4:47PM
^^^^^ As you can see, it's Maitland Ward and Pressure. I don't care too much about the poor content actually, quality is the keyword. What about you? What do you think about Deeper?
Edited by - paneyapp on 12/21/2019 4:49:29 PM
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paneyapp Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 21 2019 : 4:53PM
^ Sorry, I didn't see that there was a page 3
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lagoulue Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 22 2019 : 2:24PM
Deeper takes it itself too seriously when it comes to plots, Kayden is trying to shoot movies instead of porn but the performers lack the acting talent to make it work, so it ends up looking ridiculous. Also there's the bad lighting and lens flares.
^Sorry Brother but you are definitely in the wrong thread if that is what you think. There are scores of sites that cater to mindless fuck a minute no plot on the net. What is great about a Kayden directed Deeper scene is that the plot is more richly developed than in other videos and while it's true that not all performers are created equal when it comes to acting talent. Most of them are up to the part they are given and if the lighting isn't as bright as it is in most other videos than that is even better because it adds to the realism. Too often a scene has simply too much lighting in it that it's impossible to get into the plot.
Edited by - pat362 on 12/22/2019 6:10:17 PM
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lagoulue Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 23 2019 : 3:12AM
^ you didn't read what I said. I never said I didn't want plots. I said the one Kayden are too developed for the actors to make it work and they also forget that in the end, it's just porn.
Vixenk Tushy, Blacked etc... have just the right amount of plot IMO
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Facefucker Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 23 2019 : 6:01AM
^I agree with you. Deeper is PRIMARILY a "porn" site, not some artistic video site. They should really get rid of all the super bad plots, the bad camera work, the bad directing, and turn their entire focus to the type of porn one cannot get in all of its sister sites (blacked, vixen, tushy, etc).
Porn sites need to make good porn, and Deeper fails at that basic need.
And I totally agree with one of the commentators above, some scenes feel like driving with the sun in your face. Those flares are intense with the bad directing by Kayden
There are also some cheerleaders here like LCF, who based on many of his/her thousands of past posts, is nothing but a porn cheerleader. He has 0 criticism and only criticizes those who criticize porn. What's the point of being so narrow minded? Deeper is clearly not popular among porn fans, and if you are going lengths to cheerlead for this as well, then I have to call you out on your lack of objectivity.
When I want chili I go a Mexican restaurant , when I want delicatessen I go to a French restaurant , when I want fine food I eat Italian , when I want a burger i go to a McDonalds or a Burgerking or something. I really don't get the meaning of wanting a Burger with Chili at a French Restaurant , if you like gangbangs and hard gonzo stukk keep going were you used to go.
about cheerleading , it's just common sense , I don't criticize? I'm battling time and again against rimming especially on BlackedRaw thread , for the rest I don't buy memberships from sites whose content I don't like , neither I go to their thread to establish how much I hate their content I just don't give a fling turd about them , not even the few seconds to say them how much I dislike or even despise their content
Actually I did read your post. Those 3 Lansky sites you named are terrible examples of good plot driven porn because their idea of a plot is a 2-3 minute intro that anyone can skip and it will not negatively affect the scene. The same can't be said for a Kayden directed scene because to do so means that you are missing something essential to the scene.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Dec 23 2019 : 5:05PM
If the vignette porn that Kayden makes has 'too much plot' for you a proper feature would drive you nuts.
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lagoulue Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 24 2019 : 3:23AM
It's crazy wow, it's just as if... people had... you kow... different opinions. ^^ ^
I did enjoy one scene from Deeper and I keep coming to the site to see if there will be another one like it. Doesn't mean I have to enjoy them all, especially when they look ridiculous
^I think that you are missing the point of what we are trying to tell you. Your porn taste are such that you will never like what Kayden is doing at Deeper and you should cross it off your list of possible sites to join. The women who appear on Deeper tend to also appear on other Lansky sites so simply join one of those sites.
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Facefucker Deactivated User
53 Posts 12/19
Posted - Dec 24 2019 : 6:52AM
Agree with you. She's not making any porn, she's making a product that's something completely different from porn. And this product doesn't have much demand.
^The DVD has sold out on Adult Empire after having one of the best runs of any movie this year. It also was a top seller on cduniverse. Those are two of the biggest online adult video retailers.
Actually what she is making is exactly the kind of porn I first saw. I recommend you watch porn from the 70's and 80's and you will see many similarities to her type of porn. I love Kayden's style but if I had a wish then it would be that she make an even longer scenario. One in which it last multiple scenes.
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Facefucker Deactivated User
53 Posts 12/19
Posted - Dec 24 2019 : 12:42PM
Oh.. you meant the DVD? Dude I've got to post the below. No offense intended.
It's funny a production company can't create more DVD's for one film for many weeks while all the rest are clearly available. You're one of those that easily falls for a well known marketing tactic called the "scarcity marketing tactic". Google it.
Secondly, the Deeper DVD is nowhere in the top sellers. NO WHERE. Maybe it was a top seller during the week of its launch but it's ranked pretty low. It only has 3 REVIEWS on Adult Empire.
Lastly, DVD sales are certainly not a good measure of how well a site is doing because DVDs account for a very tiny portion of overall porn revenues.
^It's not near the top because it sold out. It had gotten back to #1 before going on backorder. And I don't think it's a case of scarcity marketing, these DVDs come and go off of backorder every now and then...when they sell really well.
Point taken on the DVD side being a small part of the revenue stream. Just saying it's the part where we as consumers have a realistic idea of what is doing well. I don't have any way of knowing how many subscribers Deeper has in comparison to Blacked, Tushy, Vixen, etc. So I can only go by what I can see which are the DVD sales.
And I'm sure they are profitable to some degree. I spend $10 per month on Blacked, but when I buy a DVD of theirs, it's $28. They're making extra money off of me that way. They're more expensive and still seem to have a dedicated consumer base.
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Facefucker Deactivated User
53 Posts 12/19
Posted - Dec 25 2019 : 2:28AM
Its 2019, almost 2020. There's absolutely no reason to have a "DVD shortage" unless it's purposely created :)
^^Actually it's almost 2020 and I suspect that dvd sales are not remotely close to what they once were and therefore producers can't afford to produce tens of thousands of units that will sit on a shelf until they are sold because that's money they don't have so unless they have guaranteed sales than they probably only produce a certain amount and see how the sales are.
^The kind of porn I'm thinking of wasn't called vanilla because unless I'm wrong than that term didn't exist yet. The kind of porn I'm referring to was one that had a plot and characters. It was those characters that had sex and not well known performer "A" with well known performer "B" as most of todays videos tend to be. Worse for me is that even when there is an actual plot. More often than not the performers use their stage name in the scene instead of a different name thereby killing the fantasy that they are playing a character.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Dec 27 2019 : 6:31AM
By that definition practically no porn was made in the world til. the late 80s.
Just accept that people have different tastes and move on and stop bitching in this thread. Do I go into the Adriano thread and complain that he doesn't do vignette porn?
^ Why do you "must" constantly bitch about how much you dislike the content and how not porn it is , firstly I'd like to know where do you watched the content , do you have money to waste buyng memberships of sites you don't like just to come here and bitch about it all the time? If you don't have a membership then how do you know about their content?
and about his all star member status , clearly you know nothing about it, so please STFU , will you?
^ Why do you "must" constantly bitch about how much you dislike the content and how not porn it is , firstly I'd like to know where do you watched the content , do you have money to waste buyng memberships of sites you don't like just to come here and bitch about it all the time? If you don't have a membership then how do you know about their content?
and about his all star member status , clearly you know nothing about it, so please leave it alone , it's way better if you do.
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Facefucker Deactivated User
53 Posts 12/19
Posted - Dec 28 2019 : 9:55AM
LCF back at it again..
Why? Can't someone subscribe to a website once every 3 or 6 or even every 12 months when they like a particular scene? And while they do so, can't they review the remaining content? I've subscribed to Deeper 3 times. Once when it launched, once for the Angela White blowbang, and recently for the Maitland scene. You got a problem with that? You got a problem with how high or how low the amount of money I spend on porn is? Based on my username, you'd easily guess the sites I have continuous memberships to. I'm not stupid enough to subscribe every month to a site when I'm only interested in 2 or 3 scenes throughout the year. I'm a customer, not a cheerleader.
When I love some porn, I provide my positive "opinions" and when I don't, I do the opposite. Isn't that what being objective is all about? I'm not a cheerleader.
And you'll notice that I never criticize an act (e.g rimming) because I understand that everyone has different likes/dislikes, and if I don't like an act in a particular scene I can simply forward it. On the other hand, constructive criticism from everyone serves a better purpose to the overall industry rather than being blind cheerleaders.
The overall concept of Deeper could have SO MUCH MORE POTENTIAL if it was being delivered in a different manner (my opinion, people can disagree). It occasionally gets the recognition by being associated with the other Lansky sites and borrowed talent, but if it were a standalone it wouldn't be anywhere near the status it is in today (although still low).
The sex itself in puretaboo isn't as rough though. Kayden has put two newbies born 2000 (Mia Melano, Gabbie Carter) in the lions den with Markus Dupree, both girls receiving by far the roughest sex scenes from him.
^^I don't disagree that PT has deeper(sorry for the pun) scenarios but I don't think Kayden is trying to copy their style so much as both are emulating older porn's style. Deeper is more flashy but has less developed scenarios while PT is less flashy and has better developed scenarios. The good news for me is that these two sites exist in an era where there is little if any scenarios in just about every single porn videos.
I do not believe in Santa anymore , even though i did that myself twice with BlackedRaw one of which was The Orgy with Lily Labeau (a shitty scene by the way very poorly mounted, confused and confusing , the backsound was overwhelming and very distracting , I do't know who the director was)
I subscribe on rotation usually when there's an offer , depending on the site I stay up to three months or more when there's a lot of material to look at or I can stay a member for a much longer time when a sites begins to produce a kind of content I want to sustain , I stayed a memember of Dogfar for over a year straight just because they begun to shoot black girls consistenly , there was and is a number , a whole lot actually, of black girls who not only are as hot as any other girl (sometimes hotter in the case of Ana Foxxx and Kira Noir, Nia Nacci et ceterra) and I thought that market should be sustained to make it worthy to continue .You call this cheerleading , yeah, true...
There are sites , directors and producers I' would never subscribe with , there are site whose content not only isn't of interest but I actually despise that kind of content and yet I don't go there bitvching all around about how much I dislike the kind of content they do , a look at their previews was more than enough to turn my head forever
You may not believe this but I actually begun to buy IR movies because those IR producers and especially the black ones were A LOT less rough then than the usual white on white scenes
there must be somewhere on this forum my argument with Chico Wang because of the way TRinity Post was treated in one of his scenes or you may find me campaiigning against DVSX Company a raising company when they begun to hire that scumbag Marc Wallice as a director with a number of alias , he was the one who forged his HIV+ tests and provoked an outbreak in the Industry almost closing it down. The Owner of DVSX ansewered that he would hire whoever he wanted and that is not any of customer business. Okay you don't want to do business with us customers? Be it as you wish then , the company disappeared in a year and ceased any relevance even before that. The Company was very good , Red Light , Anabolic or Platinum X level good , even better in some cases , tons of new girls of any kind.
I know exactly how a bad campaigning can end up , I was part of that , and while I'd say nothing when anybody is attacked with good reason ,or better yet reason I agree with, I always challenge those statement completely uncalled for or basically put on this board out of hatred.
There was once a Lexington Steele thread , still is, it was meant to promote or discuss his content, but at one point a bunch of (or very possibly just one member with many accounts) guys begun to attack his productions with laughable reasons ,every day , for months , before and after every DVD issue of his , I realized this guy was very detrimental to his sales and I didn't want the guy out business , so I begun to challenge every single post of him/them , for months , but it was too late and it wasn't enough , nobody helped me and I couldn't reverse a trend single handledy especially because that behaviour wasn't exclusive to this site obviously ,bottom line the guy went out of business , whether because of this or some other reason I can't be certain , but that campaign aganst him surely had its weight among other things , and harmed his sales greatly.
^I don't know if you have noticed something in your short time on this forum but most of us are passionate about porn in the same way that if you were on a Star Wars forum than their posters would be passionate about SW. If you are nonchalant about porn than maybe this is not the best forum for you to post on because people like me take your post seriously and react accordingly.
^ This below is an attack on a personal level over perceived detailed knowledge , no newbie would do something like that , less of all someone so shy to stay lurking long enough to have such knowledge, then he finally join us , and the first thing he does is what? To attack one member dismissing not just a single opinion but his whole contribution to this site with his SECOND reply here? I repeat this was his second reply on this board. It is obviously the alias of someone else, or possibly a revenant someone formerly banned from either Lansky sites' threads or the board entirely, it's someone relatively recent or who was out for a time since apparently knows nothing about the "all star members" and its meaning.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt because I haven't identified his possible former identity yet, besides it's Christmas .caling me cheerleader is a clue though.
So I gave him some history notion about this board over a time where not even his former Alias knew anything
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Facefucker Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 30 2019 : 9:13AM
^ Good luck, LCF. Your hallucinations will take you nowhere.
OK folks this shit is getting too personal in here. Smarten up.
I feel like I need to remind everyone of the ADT forum etiquette - "Adult DVD Talk is a Friendly Community. Treat fellow posters as neighbors. Please be respectful of each other and each other's threads. If what someone has posted angers you, wait until you calm down before you respond or simply don't respond."
I like deeper sometimes but I tried watching Maitland's scene and the second hand embarrassment from the dialogue/acting was way too much. The Gabbie Carter scene was great if you again take out all the cringy acting at the beginning.
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paneyapp Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 31 2019 : 10:31PM
Pretty sure the next scene is with Ashley Aleigh and Small Hands
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anotherone6211 Deactivated User
680 Posts 7/18
Posted - Jan 5 2020 : 12:52PM
Next scene seems to be Gianna Dior with a black male. seems to be a part of a series, says Part 1.
After watching a trailer from Deeper with Angela White & Maitland Ward, it shows you need acting talent for the studio to work. Maitland's acting is great and this works, but of course not many pornstars have that many years of experience.
^I agree that you need a certain level of acting talent to believably play a character in a scenario driven porn scene but I argue that most women currently the industry can do a more than decent job if and this is key to why most fail. They are given the necessary time to practice prior to the camera is turned on. That means that the people producing those scenes have to recognize that if they don't do that then the final product will greatly suffer regardless of who is in front of the camera.
I mean community college plays require that students spend weeks if not months practicing. How many movies/tv shows are shot on day one with no one reading the script or practicing their dialogue?