and where you might have conjured up THAT little brilliant deduction is the most suspiscious thing of all. maybe your a mysogonyst, or a traditionalist, or just a know-it-all.
What!? Porn women are disgusting? Why are you on this forum... obviously you watch porn. I would say this comment is the pot calling the kettle black. This is like a criminal calling his/her lawyer a crook or a grifter. Shame is a relative term. What one person claims to be 'fucked up,' another would deam liberated. I'm not advocating either, rather implying that each person has a unique set of values and therefore should not be held to the scrupples or judgement of the whole. The quoted poster needs to seriously consider what the other shoe feels like. Edited by - redish on 4/2/2010 5:40:12 AM
This is such a loaded question. Having known and dated several adult models I have, of course, had this question asked of me and discussed the work with some detail. First, I would answer the question with another question: Take any industry or workplace anywhere - do you think that someone in that group has some degree of shame for anything they may have done after having been asked or ordered to do it? Let me answer that: yes. There are people who are ashamed for being required to fire good people when revenue is down; people who invested others' money poorly and lost it; people who have to literally handle and wade in the bodily waste of thousands of people. There are a million different ways people can be ashamed for something they have done or need to do. Do pornstars feel ashamed? Some do. Of course. Some may do something that they are perfectly comfortable with at the time only to inventory their feelings afterwards - hours, days, weeks, months, etc. - and feel differently about it. This is not unique to porn, though. People drive drunk and feel bad even if they didn't get caught, or beat someone up, or insult someone. May have felt like the right thing to do at the time. But these examples class sucking cum and whatnot in with behavior generally understood to be bad. It is all about the context. If a porn actor's values change after the fact then that can cause shame. Just like people who change the course of their lives and look back on their former self wondering, "what was I thinking?" Should they feel shame seems to be the issue fleshed out over all of these comments. But the answer is unique to every person according to their values. And if the talent is not in tune with or is ignoring their values when they do something that does indeed conflict with them, then yeah, they are going to feel shame. But they should NOT feel shame because you, or her, or those people say they should be ashamed. If they enjoy it or do not mind it then why should they feel ashamed for it? People shovel manure all day long for a living. If the work seems completely below me should I impose my values on them and try to make them be ashamed? Should I try to make them see it how I see it so that then they can be ashamed? Maybe then they could be like me. We could share the same interests and values. That would make for an interesting world. Myself, I have more respect for porn talent than for your average civilian. Sure there messed up porn actors - on drugs, confused, etc. - but there are people like that everywhere in all walks of life. Porn talent, hell the entire industry, is full of empowered and intelligent individuals who are brave enough to to overcome the inhibitions and hangups of mainstream society to do their work. I would much rather be with someone who does not regard strip clubs and pornography as competition or is in some way sexually repressed. That would only translate onto me and into our relationship. It would force me to repress aspects of my own sexuality that they were uncomfortable with. One model told me that she felt the worst after a shoot that she had totally enjoyed. She had lost herself in the moment and had an orgasm so intense that it brought her to tears - happy tears. Seriously, she said they had to cut the scene while she regained her composure. She said she felt like she had cheated on me by enjoying the scene so much. I thought it was cool and funny. Another model told me she often questioned if there was something wrong with her because she got off on the rest of the crew on set watching her and becoming aroused by her performance. She said it was not normal. To which I reply, "what is normal?" Take a good look at the myriad of genres and sub-genres of porn. The producers make a living from people consuming that media. So anytime you look at a website and wonder if you are some kind of deviant sick fuck who should be ashamed for liking spit-swapping, bukkake, scat, anal, HJ, tranny, you name it, there are likely at least tens of thousands of people like you. So again I ask, "what is normal?" So long as no one was hurt by their actions, no one should be made to feel ashamed for their proclivities. And that includes hurting mom & dad's feelings. Adults are free to live their lives how they see fit. Just because they are willing to put their sexuality on film does not make them a lesser member of society than those who do the same things in the privacy of their home. What a hypocrisy on the part of porn consumers. Some people simply lead private lives while others are willing to live openly.
The f*ck you would! The moment your neighbour asks you what your daughter does for a living you would like. You would never ever tell anyone: "My daughter sucks cock for a living, but it's okay... she's pretty darn good at it. Oh and it's taped which makes her an actress!" You sir, are full of sh*t!
Yeah, some people are just trash. I could understand some hippie parents endorsing their daugther in some vintage 70s porn, free love and shit. But porn today is degrading and perverted to such an extent that no sane parent would ever condone that. I hate vintage porn and the sicker it getter the better. That doesn't mean I would wish my daughter to be treated like a piece of shit though. Only completely fucked up parents would accept their daughter doing porn today. How would you react to a "Hi mom and dad, I'm a cumwhore!" greeting from your daughter on tape?
Some people get off on being degraded. If you know what you're getting into ahead of time and are into it, then degradation is no more than fulfilling a fantasy. Just because you have a daughter does that mean that she can not enjoy sex? As long as she is doing what makes her happy, you should be happy for her. Who cares what other people think? If you are going to look down on someone for having sex and enjoying pleasure then you are no friend of mine. "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” — Jiddu Krishnamurti
How we feel about this is a reflection of the porn we watch. If you think they should feel shame for being in the videos you watch, then feel shame for watching it.
I think I smell something worse than trash here... it's called prejudice and hypocrisy. I still stand by what I said earlier. Maybe some do, but others like Kelly Divine for example seem to be having an absolute blast so good for them.
Jeez charn, you really crawled out the woodwork with your profound comments and shit. I think it's when you started using capital letters. charn bc and ac.
KimiLixx wrote:You have a dog in your house? Gross! Those things drool and smell worse than skunks. I would never live with a filthy animal like that in my home. Don't you feel degraded to have to share your habitation with a carnivorous pack animal? No one could make me do that, no matter how much they paid me.
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William F. Buckley's got nothing on you Kimi. Even when he was alive. Best belly laugh I've had in days. Edited by - saratoga120 on 4/4/2010 3:56:27 PM
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Posted - Apr 4 2010 : 7:17PM
Your response, it seems, is an example of what the psych boys call transference. In other words because you cannot concieve of anyone viewing a porn actor as a worthwhile and accomplished human being, and an object of pride in a parent, I must therefore be deluded. I am full of shit when I say I could be proud of a porn actress daughter, because YOU would be full of shit if you said it about YOUR daughter. I can only affirm that I believe I would be proud. Since it is hypothetical, I cannot challenge your view, but I know I am being honest, and in an anonymous forum with really nothing at stake, I have no particular reason to lie. It's not so outlandish a thing to say. It was not so long ago that it would have been outlandish to have a daughter in many professions: Minister, fighter pilot, masseuse,police officer, and many other professions were regarded as inappropriate or beyond a woman's abilities. Acting in porn is now equated with prostitution as one poster said, and he is right. But I strongly believe that both erotic performing AND prostitution deserve to be, and before too long WILL be considered no less of a 'service profession' than any othet, such as plumbing, or carpentry. In some countries, prostitution already IS a licensed service profession.
Haha my mom tells people what I do, but not as descriptive as that, lol. Out of respect I don't indulge my parents in my scene to scene activity but they know I have sex on camera for a living. I'm very honest with them. They told me as long as I was happy and paying taxes they were fine with it, LOL. I'm positive they didn't jump for absolute joy when I told them, but at the same time they aren't ashamed. I don't come home to visit and tramp around the neighborhood in hot pink sling-shots and clear heels either. I know how to act and actually be presentable in public, I don't embarrass them. I have an "off switch" Im sure people talk shit, I know they do actually, but those people don't matter. Hey, you can't blame my parents anyway, even if people think Im disgusting for what I do, they have other kids to prove themselves LOL. My younger sister is like my polar opposite. They can show her off at church, ;) xoxo Kelly Divine
Your response, it seems, is an example of what the psych boys call transference. In other words because you cannot concieve of anyone viewing a porn actor as a worthwhile and accomplished human being, and an object of pride in a parent, I must therefore be deluded. I am full of shit when I say I could be proud of a porn actress daughter, because YOU would be full of shit if you said it about YOUR daughter. I can only affirm that I believe I would be proud. Since it is hypothetical, I cannot challenge your view, but I know I am being honest, and in an anonymous forum with really nothing at stake, I have no particular reason to lie. [/quote] I shoulda kept reading before I responded... this is also very good. I just wish I could articulate my points as well as some of you ;) xoxo Kelly Divine
I used to work where my step mother still works and whenever I visit she always tells me the guys want an autographed pic to hang lmao I never give them one cause it kinda sickens me. I worked around them from like 15-17 and they're all like my dads age. It just gives me the same feeling I can imagine I'd have if one of my uncles asked for an autograph, yuck, lol. It's extreme thinking of it as if they raised me when all we did was work together but hey, I am pretty off the wall ;) xoxo Kelly Divine
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 11:17PM
You should just give the guys your autograph. It would probably make their whole year.
One question i have is this: Do the actress have say in the matter even if they are just starting out as to opt out of something they feel uncomfortable with?I know it is the adult industry and those choose to do things that might offend some people. But i would hate to think that someone is told do it or no money. NO one should be teated like that. Everyone in this industry deserves respect!!!!
I love dogs as well. Mine died. a beautiful German Shepard. Dogs are decent caring animals, yeah they drool, so what.A good owner takes care of the animal, they do not stink. They are wonderful animals. Dogs like other pets are gifts. Iam an animal lover and i do not believe in hunting.
One question i have is this: Do the actress have say in the matter even if they are just starting out as to opt out of something they feel uncomfortable with?I know it is the adult industry and those choose to do things that might offend some people. But i would hate to think that someone is told do it or no money. NO one should be teated like that. Everyone in this industry deserves respect!!!!
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Everyone, even brand new girls, have a list of do's and don'ts. Some girls don't do anal for example therefore they don't get booked for it. If you mean something like if a girl is on set to do a scene and the director says "ok, ur gonna snort this cum off this table" and the girl doesn't want to she doesn't have to, unless she was hired to actually do this. Like if a director called me and said "hey, we're doing a creampie movie we'll pay you X amt of dollars are you available?" If I said yeah sign me up then once on set if I wanna get paid I gotta hold up my end of the agreement..... If that ever did happen to some poor chick/dude than that sucks and that director cant possibly be one that matters. xoxo Kelly Divine
Actually I don't vote at all... I am a firm believer in monarchy and since there is no heir of Kaiser Wilhelm II. in the ballots, I don't see a legitimate candidate to vote for. ----------------------- @Kelly Divine Sounds like your parents accept what you're doing but aren't particularly proud of it. Which is probably the best you can hope for. Back in the 1980s it would have been way easier to deal with it, but today's porn industry is sick and degrading. The limits are tested and expanded continously.
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Posted - Apr 11 2010 : 1:53AM
HAH! I would NOT want to have an arguement w/ Duefuss as I'm pretty sure I would lose like everyone else.
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Oh please! You're really reaching with comparisons to any of those professions as all require extensive education that the average 18 year old high school dropout entering porn would never attain. Let's see; Fighter Pilots require minimum 4 years college usually in an aeronautical engineering discipline, Officer training, most likely also phsycological (sp) evaulation to be a fighter pilot and millons of dollars in military training. Porn on the otherhand requires the person to be willing to take off her clothes and have sex on camera for our viewing pleasure. And no, outside of Nevada, prostitutiuon is not going to be a legitimate service profession anytime soon. Also, it doesn't make a difference if prostitution is a liscenesed service profession in a few other countries. LA and porn is in California, which some might argue is another country, but last time I looked its still in the US, so prostitution is and will remain illegal.
That much is obvious. What's a little more nebulous and is a fact that doesn't get a lot of attention from people with your POV is this - How many porn scenes do you own that are perfect in every way? Or, another way to ask it would be this - Out of all the countless porn actresses, how many of them stand out in such a way that you couldn't substitute virtually any other porn actress for them? What am I getting at? It does take a talent to do it well. Almost everybody can run. But doing it better than anyone else is a talent that elevates that person above the 45 YO computer programmer who jogs to stay in shape. Most porn isn't worth the disc it comes on and most performances are close to worthless. I've seen a lot of porn and I know what I'm talking about. A really good performance by a really attractive performer is (Should be) as valuable as any other commodity for one reason. It's entirely unique and almost impossible to reproduce. Especially the way most porn is made. It's usually a happy accident when one scene rises above the rest. The same director could take the same performer and try to do everything exactly the same and it might be terrible. But the girls who hit more often than they miss are definitely better performers and they definitely have a talent that is hard to come by. Any woman can fuck. This is true. Not all of them can do it gracefully enough to do it on camera and have the results come out being valuable enough to pay for and keep.I doubt it will either but I won't complain if it does. Edited by - randomprecision on 4/11/2010 2:17:05 AM
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Posted - Apr 11 2010 : 1:47PM
You're preaching to the choir on most of this. Being a great porn star is a unique talent as you describe in your last paragraph and at any given time on a handful pull it off to make their scenes worthwhile, but to have their talents compared to the above professions is laughable. The answer to how many scenes that are truly keepers; probably 25% of everything I see. How many do I actually keep, probably about 75%, but they just get tossed into the box in the closet and get distributed like Santa Claus whenever I visit my old frat friends. Edited by - rosco fuji on 4/11/2010 1:54:50 PM
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Apr 12 2010 : 7:58AM
Why laughable? Skill and talent are of equal rarity and value in any profession. If you are saying that a porn actor is intrinsically less valuable in society than other professions, the next time you need to 'get off', call a plumber and see what he can do for you. On the other hand, it might be very cool, if a little strange, if Kristina Rose showed up the next time your toilet leaks, but it wouldn't answer the need you have at that moment. EVERY profession is equally valuable when its skills are needed and equally useless when its skills are not needed. What's "laughable" to me is asserting an intrinsic value for any profession or human being. We do not need heart surgeons more than we need good actors, we need them for different purposes, that's all.
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Apr 12 2010 : 10:08AM
That's about 2 cents too much for it. Your post says far more about YOU than it contains any truth about girls in porn. You need to degrade these people to justify the shame and dirtiness you feel about masturbating to their performances. If they are only "human pieces of shit", it allows you to believe that what they do FOR you -- making you cum by watching them -- doesn't really matter to you. You want to think you're a STUD or in some way TOO GOOD to actually NEED these people. They can't be anything but brainless whores, because you can't stand to admit that they are valuable to you, that you NEED them. You've made it clear as crystal to most people here that you probably don't like women very much and perhaps RESENT and HATE them because they make you do and think things that you've been brought up to believe are dirty, shameful, weak, and embarrassing. It's possible your degradation of porn actresses as "shit" is part of blaming THEM for making you do things you are ashamed of like mastubate or become aroused or have sexual desires that are otherwise a normal and quite healthy response, but which you've been convinced are shameful. It's possible that you blame them and the very relief they provide to you for your own failure with women. It can't be your fault if women reject you or you can't get it up, it must be their fault. Your post suggests all sorts of similar possibilities. Suffice it to say that NONE of these possibilities flatter you, and ALL of them suggest that your life would be a much happier and more pleasant one for a little professional attitude adjustment. It's ironic that you call THEM brainless, when YOU are the one dumb enough to come on here without the first idea of how pathetic you've made yourself look. Edited by - heynow on 4/12/2010 10:25:48 AM
If porn did not exist, I would be fine. I could just turn the lights off and let my imagination do the work. Thus I think pornstars are less important and less valuable than workers in many other professions. I'm glad it exists and pornstars should be paid like pro athletes, since their prospects rapidly decline with age, but helping us get off is not a vital public service.
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Apr 12 2010 : 11:31AM
And when you turn out the lights, what is it that you imagine? My bet is that it most often has something to do with some porn scene you've witnessed or some porn actress you find particularly arousing, or doing something with a person you know that the person has never done, but you've seen done in porn. Even if this is not yet the case, as you age, you will become more jaded about sex, less easily aroused, and I guarantee that your porn collection will become a lot MORE valuable as time passes.
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Posted - Apr 12 2010 : 12:39PM
MOD: Read the forum etiquette before posting again. A link has already been provided by HeyNow so I'm not going to bother posting it again. Edited by - Flash on 4/12/2010 2:10:59 PM
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Apr 12 2010 : 12:48PM
Okay, your posts so far in this thread have been crude, offensive, against ADT ettiquette, stupid, wrong, and dazzlingly revealing of yourself as a pathetic misogynist. Honest enough for you?
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Posted - Apr 12 2010 : 1:39PM
Why laughable? jeez, do I really have to explain it to you? It's laughable that you're trying to put the job of "porn performer" on the same level with professions that require a high level of education and training.
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Posted - Apr 12 2010 : 1:57PM
MOD: Nope, still not acceptable. That pesky forum etiquette. Read it. Edited by - Flash on 4/12/2010 2:12:56 PM
I am assuming you're referring to the men who line up to jack-off in group-sex cumshot bukkake, or the men who jack off onto the floor, or the men who have paid women to lick that cum off the floor. I'd guess, no, they don't feel any shame. I'd also guess that, a lot of the time, the women don't feel any shame either. People know what they're doing.
One of my relatives works in a nursing home where one of her coworkers is a former prostitute born-again Christian. She tries to shame her patients into not shitting themselves because she doesn't like cleaning up their messes.
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Posted - Apr 12 2010 : 3:10PM
While I don't really want to see a girl licking cum off the floor, the only issue I have with it is if the floor is clean. I have a real issue with people wearing shoes into the house and tracking in every nasty thing they've stepped in or on during the day.
Posted - Apr 1 2010 : 10:02PM
