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"I think porn stars can re-enter decent society because they never left it. I think a girl that comes in and does her job. Leaves porn drug free after making her goals should be proud of herself".

And I got this question from other threads. Where people were of the opinion porn scared porn girls for life.
That was in my post too, did you read any of my post?

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I make a decent living out of it, thank you!

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Edited by - Yani Z on 3/25/2007 8:50:23 PM

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As for the idea of porn stars having a stigma that prevents them from entering other lines of work, surely there is (in the US) because, generally, the people that raise a fuss are shortsighted and ignorant. And loud.

Should there be? There's two parts to that question. Ability and morality.

As for ability.. There's nothing about porn that precludes someone from being able to be good at another profession or even becoming a Nobel Prize laureate. It would be no more logical than saying because someone is a doctor, they are incapable of becoming a lawyer.

As for morality.. Everyone's morals are different to state the obvious. There are folks that think porn is wrong or it is to some degree, there are folks that don't. There may also be a lot of people that are afraid to argue for porn; they may not think porn is wrong or that porn stars shouldn't teach their children, but they are afraid to speak out and say that. Together, as a community, that determines what might look bad.

Why does morality figure in? Morality clauses in contracts for employment. That teacher probably signed a contract and it was deemed that that clause was violated. Those clauses are there to protect the employer from someone doing something that isn't technically illegal, but makes the employer look bad. And as for what "looks bad" it would depend on the community. (it might look bad in a very conservative town for a married couple to kiss in a park, for instance, which to many sounds ludicrous)

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For that, I would think the person coming up is certainly without tact and does not require a response that has.

Furthermore, does porn mean you've essentially shown your boobs to the world? Sure. Does it mean you're forever in the public domain? Not at all.

Saying all that doesn't mean some freak isn't going to wander up in the mall and ask some terribly rude and insensitive question, but nothing says you'll never have some freak wander up in the mall and expose himself, either.

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huh? Porn has been around since the dawn of the visual image. Where do you think the former perfomers go, Limbo?

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Society can't (yet) make official laws banning porn and preventing people from participating in porn so it castigates and ostracizes them after the fact in any and every way that it legally can. When someone goes into something like porn as a career, they're giving society the finger, basically. If they then come out of porn and "apologize" to society and do everything they can to play nice, they're essentially letting the moralists win and reinforcing their belief that they can bully people into compliance with their wishes if they fuck with their heads in enough ways to confuse them.

"Decent society" isn't worth the sweat off my balls.

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At any rate, i think beautiful people can always find work in a variety of industries, porn is just one of them. In fact, beautiful people have a MUCH HIGHER CHANCE of finding gainful employment than do those individuals not so well blessed with attractive looks....that's the nature of our society, although we talk much about "merit" and such. It really boils down to a) do you look good enough to get attention and b) do you have a brain and can contribute. Many porn stars are entrepreneurial, learning how to effectively market themselves and successfully navigate the crowded market to create a "brand of one." That takes talent....and it's just as important outside of the porn world as it inside the porn world. Mia Rose is a great example of a self-marketer who truly understands branding, marketing and the importance of distribution. The girls who come on and do 500 scenes in 2 years are the ones who concern me....that's oversaturation by anyone's measure.

Societal values are far more forgiving now than they used to be. 25 years ago, being divorced was a stigma. Now it's the norm. If Jesse and Arnold can be governors, I think you can even say that porn stars could be politicians in another decade or so.

There is more than enough work available for those with the talent and drive to deliver it. The good performers will be banking their funds now to help establish themselves not as someone elses' future "employee" but as business owners/leaders themselves. Who the hell wants to work for someone else for the rest of their non-porn life anyways? And in a world where you are your own boss.....screw "da man" :P

By the way, I'm not sure which teach you were referring to in your OP, but if it was the one in the news most recently, what really got her into trouble was not shooting porn in the first place....but lying about her involvement in same repeatedly when questioned about it. Frankly, I find lying the mistake she made, not the porn. I understand WHY she lied, but given that the internet basically means "forever" these days, that was just plain stupid on her part. You can lie about something all you want but it's still lying.....the truth will eventually come out.

Edited by - Lubenluv on 3/26/2007 3:09:14 AM

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what complicates this is that there are porn consumers who don't want this to be true.

they want to feel morally superior to the girls they jerk over. they want the girls to be shamed

for these consumers, part of what's arousing about porn is the idea that the female performers are being ruined and must live in disgrace, filled with misery and regret

to me, it's a pathetic attitude, born of resentment toward women and a fundamental alienation about sexuality. but i find it's all too common among modern porn consumers

Edited by - R.Jordan on 3/26/2007 4:44:15 AM

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On the other hand from my experience vast majority of porn starlets perfectly fit the pattern of "dumb slutty porn star". For those, the career opportunities outside the adult industry are probably limited.

Edited by - slonik on 3/26/2007 8:01:16 AM

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The fact that Paris Hilton and the other celebrities that were "caught" doing nasty things on tape, do not get shunned nor get special treatment is also a good sign.

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I would imagine the ones that have had the most success at re-entering society (Bad phrase, no one really ever leaves society unless they are living in a cave somewhere. The actual inferance here is too a certain section or level of society but this is just semantics) would be the ones that people ask whatever happen to so and so.

Edited by - the unknown pervert on 3/26/2007 12:09:28 PM

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Decent person says "So what do you do for a living"

I say " I work for Playboy TV"(at this point if they respond well to PBTV, I give them the whole enchiliada)

Decent person says "Oh................well that's interesting.........chirp.....chirp......chirp" LOL!

I say "And I grew up in a minister's home"

Decent persona says "Wow! That's great. What church? Is he still preaching to his congregation? You must be really proud....blah,blah,blah"

At that point when the diarrea of the mouth kicks in a couple of things run though my head.
1. Why would I want to be part of such a superficial society when I can make more money on the net and have a support system of "real" friends.
2. Do they know how they sound when talking to people with untraditional backgrounds?
3. I found a place where I am happy, I live well and I must find the patience to forgive their ignorance. It's okay with me.

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(that might have something to do with where I live...)

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xoxo
Devinn

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If you were in L.A., San Francisco, New York, or Chicago, to name a few places, the reaction would be somewhat different.

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Edited by - skronker on 3/27/2007 1:37:43 PM

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I still think I’m right. This is a big country with 300 million people. There are sections in every city that tolerance and acceptance is the rule.

Of course there are also sections where intolerance and exclusion is the rule.

There are even small towns where tolerance and acceptance is practiced.

No one is accepted everywhere. No one can work at every place.

But I think people can find a good home and a job. And be reasonable happy.

I hope you and your kids are happy and successful.

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If so, the answer is yes.

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Edit: Fuckin' US spell checkers!

Edited by - robbie on 3/28/2007 3:35:59 PM

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To be honest, I doubt it. At least in a society that is so
hypocrite - or should I say hypocrypticial - with sex than the USA.
In Italy, a porn actress could be a politician. This is also possible in Denmark, and may be in a few more countries. I dont think in my native country NL anymore.
For 5 years, there is an anti porno campaign, not by the people, but by some right wing and "christian" politicans.
They dominate the "public opinion". And the rest...is silent.

Yes, there are always liberal and friendly people respecting the starlets. But if someone wants to hurt you,
your porn career is always a target point.

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