I just saw a clip of Nadia Jay, one of the most polished BF performers to arrive in the last 2 years and it's a blowbang I think. They pair her with a bunch of really dirty, flabby old guys and I'm almost feeling embarrassed as a WM. If it's not guys who look homeless and cracked out, it's disrespectful and awkward questions asked by the director. Thankfully there's RoundandBrown (though they can get problematic with the director commentary) Exotic4k, BrownBunnies and a few others. The bad shit makes me cringe and wonder how many BF see that stuff and wonder wtf is wrong with WM in particular. For the record: I'm White.
^ A lot of porn fans are so called "old, flabby guys". And if you show such porn-fans a hot black woman loving guys like them, then they will probably like her more than before. There is nothing wrong with doing this. Everybody needs some loving, including "old, flabby guys". I like Nadia Jay. She is a very good-looking woman. But she isn't quite my type. I'm more into women like Africa Sexxx and Delotta Brown, both of whom have retired. I'd say that the biggest problem with black women in the porn industry is that there are so few of them. Africa Sexxx and Delotta Brown have retired, and no other black women even close to their looks took their place. It seems that black women have left the porn industry in droves, and they aren't coming back. Which is a big loss for the porn industry. There is definitely something wrong going on with black women in the porn industry.
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Posted - Aug 16 2015 : 10:16AM
research1 doesn't just say that these guys are old and flabby, but also that they're "really dirty" and "look homeless and cracked out." I'm not sure that a lot of porn fans fit research1's full description, though maybe they do?
^ "Flabby old guys" has the same meaning as "old, flabby guys". I changed the order of words, but I don't see what the difference in meaning is. Both phrases mean the same thing.
^ The words "dirty", "homeless", and "cracked out" are insults, rather than facts. I don't think such words have any place in this forum, when it comes to describing porn stars. And for the record I'd like to say that the homeless are people too, just like you and me. They deserve our sympathy and help, rather than mocking and scorn.
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Posted - Aug 16 2015 : 11:20AM
^Irrespective of all that, you're reducing research1's criticism of the male talent he describes to a simple matter of them being "flabby old guys", when he in fact complained not about flabby old guys in general but rather flabby old guys who look dirty, homeless, and cracked out. For all we know, if these men were flabby but looked clean and well kept, research1 might not have complained.
^ My point is that there is nothing wrong with having a hot lady do guys like this. These guys are just as human as you and me. And sweeping them under the carpet, so to say, is a wrong thing to do. I don't know if there is such a thing as a Saint in porn. But when a hot lady like Nadia Jay goes out of her way to show some love to the down-and-out guys, then she is more saintly in her behavior than most religious people are. Because she gives them a part of herself in a way that not many people would do even with their equals. I'd say that this something to admire Nadia Jay for, rather than to criticize and condemn.
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Posted - Aug 16 2015 : 11:38AM
I was describing what I was seeing. I have sympathy for people who are destitute, like the homeless. The state of homelessness often results in less than acceptable bodily hygiene. Even if Nadia Jay isn't your cup of tea, if you were her agent and cared about her well being and the trajectory of her career; would you want anal receptive men ejaculating in your female performers face? I wouldn't. But that is precisely what has been allowed to occur. I wonder if she knew about the men who would be included before the scene was recorded. Edit: Dan, I understand and appreciate your comments about age and the inclusion of "average joes." I accept that men old enough to be her Dad shouldn't be blackballed. I threw in the other observations to show that it wasn't just those aspects that made the scene embarrassing, but also concerns for the safety of the performer. Edited by - research1 on 8/16/2015 11:43:58 AM Add to that at least sort of effort to meet a standard set in the other IR niches. Keni Styles is repping Asian men almost completely by himself. I doubt you'll find him and his producers putting together embarrassing scenes that will disappoint AM fans and put AM in a bad light. If he can do it despite the hurdles, why can't WM directors put the effort into recruiting WM performers who don't look dodgy and might plausibly be attractive to the BF performer? Edited by - research1 on 8/16/2015 11:52:02 AM
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Posted - Aug 16 2015 : 12:12PM
Good point and I agree,I think you may be exaggerating Nadia's role in all of this. Her agent books her scenes and she likely has no role in casting male talent.
^ I don't see how it's possible to exaggerate the role of Nadia Jay in this. It's up to her to say "yes" or "no", when guys want to plow. She is the one who decides, whether the guys get any rides. Her agent wouldn't matter at all, if she decides not to go for the ball. It's possible to make another show with some other lady. But it wouldn't be the same as with Nadia Jay. She is the most important person in this show, and that's why she deserves most credit for it. Edited by - Dan on 8/16/2015 12:44:47 PM
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Posted - Aug 16 2015 : 12:54PM
^What you wrote made it sound as if Nadia looks for guys that fit research1's description to work with. I don't imagine that she actually "goes out of her way to show some love to the down-and-out guys." I'm not trying to sell Nadia short, but there is nothing unusual about pornstars working with men or women whom they are not attracted to, though I wouldn't presume to claim that Nadia is not attracted to the men whom the OP described.
^ I imagine Nadia Jay has given some instructions to her agent about what kind of guys to look for. Because he is the one working for her, and not she for him. This isn't quite the same as her looking for such guys herself. But this is close enough to give her credit for it.
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Posted - Aug 16 2015 : 2:35PM
^Again, there's nothing unusual about pornstars shooting with people whom they are not attracted to, so I wouldn't assume that because a pornstar shoots with a certain person that that person is someone whom they would have casted if they were the ones selecting talent. That said, you have a right to your own perspective of how the booking process works, so I won't belabor the issue further. Edited by - misspornUSA on 8/16/2015 2:37:08 PM
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Posted - Aug 16 2015 : 3:00PM
There is a problem with the wm/bf pairings why companies insist on it is anybody's guess. The latest Bangbros scene with Jezabel Vessir should be a crime..Whoever paired those two should be put in prison. Can't complain about Dogfart they have the right idea about porn Nadia Jay was a great selection. It would be nice if Jade Aspen could do another cumbang or if Jezabel did one.
research 1 you should be embarressed.this sounds like trolling to me.nothing too disgusting for a white girl to do,but dont ever pair up a black girl with a less than perfect looking white guy?what bull
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 10:47AM
Her agent did not cast the men in the scene for a big bukkake like that. They would be casted by the producers of the site. The guys who produced the Nadia Jay scene I'm talking about have a low regard for WM and will never be getting a dime from me. The only reason why I check wefuckblackgirls.com is to see what BF are active, especially new ones.
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 10:47AM
I think you misunderstood me.
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 11:07AM
You've been trolling for an argument across a half dozen threads now. I don't think anyone misunderstands you. You're trying to pick fights with people, and using insulting analogies and descriptions of what you personally don't like in porn as "bad" or "gay" trying to get people to argue with you. I think you need to watch more porn and do what comes natural, and post less about what you don't like.
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 11:31AM
Harassing and picking fights is exactly what you are doing. You want to follow someone to a different thread and continue an argument you had over this subject. https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/the-dearth-of-latin-pornstars-doing-ir/reply/2959281#post Hypocrite.
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 11:34AM
We all have different opinions but it seems like everyone can agree that Nadia Jay is hot.
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 11:46AM
nobody is "following" you. You're posting in almost all the threads on this forum, negatively, and insulting people. by that stretch of the imagination, every single person here who replies to your posts is "following" you. how about you tone down the personal insults, homophobia, and racism a bit?
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 12:00PM
http://www.data18.com/movies/1139607 When I talked about ridiculous and offensive titles, here's an example. Hot BF which is fantastic. But now they are "ghetto" stepmoms? Why? Because they are black they are now ghetto? I've seen more than a few BF agreeing that the titles for IR films are some of the worst out there.
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 1:55PM
This is the funniest thread I've read in a while. its real amusing to read about people fighting over the dignity and description of a bunch of mopes standing around jerking off. Secondly, if I were into black women porn, I'd be more apt to pick up a title called "Teenage Ghetto MILFS Blowing Mopes"than I would a title called "Fine Upstanding Urban African American Young Ladies Oralling Extracting Semen from a bunch of less than desirable soft around the middle unemployed white guys." Lastly, who are these so called elite black women in porn?
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 3:06PM
Not just standing around. Sometimes blocking the shot, tripping over stuff. Yapping with the camera guy. Leering at each other... I remember a scene where the chick was having sex with them basically one at a time. This one mope is leaning over so close to them that he falls forward and steps on the guy's arm. Then there's the guys who are so nervous they can't stay hard to penetrate the woman and they just screw up the flow of the scene. These people are usually wrangled by the director to fill a up the room, without regard for quality. P.S. yes I'm adding a little humor. I said Nadia Jay as an example. She's fine and popular with BM and WM. Edited by - research1 on 8/17/2015 3:08:43 PM
No matter how elite the female and no matter if the guys are black or white or anything else, if they are shooting blowbang scene there is almost always gonna be some guys who fall into the category you mention. It costs too much to hire 8 or 10 guys with names you would recognize to do a scene like that most of time. Not to mention some of the bigger name guys won't even do scenes like that.
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 6:11PM
Absolutely. But how about having some consideration for the BF star and don't call in bisexual, slimey, tweekers to ejaculate into the female stars eyes like they did with Nadia Jay. The fact that the agent is cool with sending their girls to work for Dogfart shows how little they care for their models.
That's not how it works. Generally speaking, you have a no list, and maybe a statement to your agent saying you don't want to work with male talent that's new to the business, or too old, or too large penis-wise. For a female performer, being too picky about the male talent you work with means you would/will end up working less.
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 7:08PM
Cumbang is a parody site the plot is a beautiful Black chick getting revenge on her boyfriend by banging a bunch of white guys Nadia was a perfect choice. Dogfart nailed it with her now if they get Jezabel, Vivica Johnson, Devyn Divine or Skyler Nicole. Sites that pair a beautiful Black woman with just any white guy who happens to need a job is the problem.
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 7:28PM
Hooray! Another "a performer of a certain race isn't being utilized in the exact manner in which I think they should be, so I'm going to try and turn this isolated incident targeted at a demographic that clearly doesn't include me into yet another indictment of the porn industry as a whole." thread. These never get old. Not everyone has similar tastes. That means not all the porn is going to appeal to all of the people. Spend more time looking for porn you like to jerk off to and less time complaining about the porn other people are jerking off to and everyone will be happier.
^ Exactly. I have a huge list of things that turn me off in porn. Do I spend my time starting threads harping on these things and running down fans who are into that stuff? No. It would be a waste of my time. Vote with your dollars. If you like a certain thing and want to see more of it, buy more of it. If you don't like something, don't buy it. The people who make porn don't make this stuff because they're trying to push an agenda. They make what sells.
[mod edit: comment removed. See the ADT forum etiquette, 3rd paragraph.] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 8/17/2015 8:31:58 PM
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 7:50PM
Man this thread is making me laugh, but will be locked soon.
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research1 Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 8:31PM
You have a bad habit of replying to threads without taking the time to actually read the post. It is MY demographic that is being targeted. I'm a white male and I've seen this shit being advertised right here on adultdvdtalk and other vendors. It is in no way isolated and has been a presence for at least 10 years. Add to that the fans of that filth bash WM performers and even Whites in general means they are feeding racists and their sick ideas about WW and WM. Then you have the homosexual fans who are demanding the genre get more homosexual year by year. Gay pornography has it's own section that everyone is welcome to purchase from. They don't need to be included or advertised in straight porn sections.
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 8:32PM
Some of them are absolutely pushing an agenda. They have blogs that reveal what they are thinking, twitter posts and interviews. It's been that way for a long time. Voting with dollars is the way to go, especially with the double standard where you can bash Whites and no one will do a thing about it. Blatantly racist porn sites marketed to WM audiences have been forced to shut down from time to time. How many directors or content owners have had their careers destroyed for making racist pornography to slander White people? None that I can think of. Edited by - research1 on 8/17/2015 8:35:11 PM
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 8:37PM
Actually I have a great habit of not letting people frame a particular topic in a way to push their agenda. (and yes, it's clear you have just as much of an agenda as the people you keep complaining about)If you don't like the content, then you aren't the one being targeted. It's not that hard to understand.
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 8:45PM
I just saw a clip of Nadia Jay, one of the most polished BF performers to arrive in the last 2 years and it's a blowbang I think. They pair her with a bunch of really dirty, flabby old guys and I'm almost feeling embarrassed as a WM. If it's not guys who look homeless and cracked out, it's disrespectful and awkward questions asked by the director. Thankfully there's RoundandBrown (though they can get problematic with the director commentary) Exotic4k, BrownBunnies and a few others. The bad shit makes me cringe and wonder how many BF see that stuff and wonder wtf is wrong with WM in particular. For the record: I'm White. No, obviously you didn't and this is where I'm going to show you. My last sentence I said I'm White. This is my demographic. You said it was not.
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 8:52PM
I was referring to the target demographic as the people who purchase that porn, not the people performing in it. You are not the target demographic. Not every movie is going to portray white men as upstanding, white collar, productive members of society. Complaining because a very tiny minority portray white males as something less than your ideal is meaningless. If it was a pervasive issue, you might have a point, but the vast, vast majority of porn made in the US portrays white mails in a neutral or positive fashion, dare I suggest at a higher rate than what occurs in the real world. (it might shock you to find out that some white men are in fact, fat, dirty, bald, homeless, crack addled, or otherwise unpleasant)
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 9:34PM
I'm going to let the obfuscation and backpedaling slide and go right to your second paragraph. It most certainly IS pervasive. It's made by several studios and advertised on mainstream vendors. It's not something you have to look around for to find, it's right there. Add to that, you have BM/WF IR fans complaining when sites that started using all types of men, not just black, decide to start using some non-BM again. The same damn fans, and they are the ones who made multiple threads, harassed pornstars for not doing BM/XF IR, pretended to BE retired pornstar Lucy Lee (on this very forum) and pretended to be Simone Style in a text interview. The interview site was also spammed with the tag "huge black cocks" by the same guy. It's a small group of fans pretending to be a large group of fans. They want their already pervasive genre of racist IR porn to be even more pervasive.
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 9:51PM
Holy shit! you mean people that like a style of porn want it to be more popular? Surely you must be mistaken! And don't accuse me of backpedaling. I never changed my stance once on this. Just because you didn't understand what I said doesn't mean I changed what I said. My words never changed, just your understanding of them. While we're at it I'd appreciate it when I say things that you do agree with that you'd stop co-opting my posts to push your stupid white agenda. This stupid racism bullshit serves no purpose other than for stupid trolls to get their jollies off. some porn is racist because racist people like porn. The fact that some people are racist shouldn't be news to anyone. When I condemn all of the stupid "the industry is racist towards black people" bullshit, it's great that you agree with me, but your "the industry is racist towards white people" bullshit is every bit as stupid.
Really interested to see the blogs, tweets, and interviews where porn directors and companies lay out their nefarious plan to emasculate white men, profit be damned. Please, enlighten me with some links. Edited by - Mister Fahrenheit on 8/17/2015 9:55:51 PM
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 9:59PM
Ha, more obfuscation. It's racist pornography. I think it's okay to have a problem with the people who are using sock puppet accounts, pretending to be performers and harassing actual pornstars for not doing their favorite BM/XF IR. Even more so, it's okay to have a problem with the producers of that racist pornography. Who hold WM in such low regard that they make them look like shit even when they are pandering to them to keep their subscription numbers up. As if we can't click to the home page of the network and see all the racist b.s. they've been producing for a decade or more. I don't give money to porn producers who despise me, glad other folks feel the same.
^ Oh, so crypto-Jews are behind the plot to make everyone think white men have small penises? Duh, that makes so much sense. I feel like such a fool for never having seen it before!
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 10:10PM
Bahahaha!!!!! Research1 starts thread about how white people are being misrepresented in the porn industry. When called out on the ludicrous nature of this post changes the subject to other posters creating fake accounts and other utterly unrelated crap. Accuses me of obfuscation. Bahahahahah!!!!! If you were just tired of people pushing agendas I'd be a little more sympathetic towards you, but at this point it's pretty clear that you're just tired of people pushing agendas that are contrary to your own. As far as I'm concerned you're just another loony racial conspiracy theorist that is long on rhetoric and short on facts so i'm content to throw you in with the likes of IR4L because you two are just two sides of the same ignorant coin.
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 11:30PM
Dude, are you this mad because I caught you misquoting me and then trying to act like that's not what you said? Okay. "changes the subject." Excuse me? I was responding to people attacking me and the thread I started. I wasn't the one who wanted to make this a battle about other topics on other threads. As for agendas, yeah not liking racist pornography surely is a nefarious agenda... But yes, run along as you are just clogging up the thread with your anger at getting caught lying. No need for you to post on this thread.
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 11:43PM
At no point have I lied in this thread so just cut that bullshit out right now. You misunderstood what I wrote. that's on you, not me. and i'm just here exposing your hypocrisy. you're just like the people that you are stalking on here and other sites, only you've flipped the color script. You're agenda is just as racist, and just as obvious and deplorable. Replace black with with white, and white with black and you're just regurgitating the same tired rhetoric as the people you continue to complain about on here.
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 11:50PM
Murdock, if you're not going to stay on topic...you need to go and stop trolling and flaming me. Go ahead, it's not like I want you or need you to stay. Edited by - research1 on 8/17/2015 11:51:05 PM Oh and as for those "people I complain about" there the people attacking me left and right. Not to mention the type who sent me 10 messages saying he's going to kill me and saying other shit about what he'd like done to my mom. Yeah, I'm the bully for speaking out against racist filth and for replying to the people who flame me and try to derail my thread.
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - Aug 18 2015 : 12:00AM
Well by all means, let's ignore your obvious racebaiting since you don't seem comfortable having that mirror held up in front of you, and let's just focus on your original post... What exactly is your problem with the porn that you've brought up. Do you think it is inaccurate to portray some white men as dirty, flabby, or old? Do you think it is unfair to portray some white men as dirty, flabby, or old? Do you think it is wrong to portray some black men as dirty, flabby or old? If so, can you substantiate any of those claims? I'm just curious as to the true nature of your complaint.
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - Aug 18 2015 : 12:18AM
You're right. It was there in front of me all along. You're just hopelessly insecure and embarrassed. My suggestion as always when people find porn they don't like (and clearly isn't targeted at them) is to not watch it. Find something you do like and enjoy it. You're welcome.
