Evil Angel DVD's : Highly Edited ?!?!?!?!

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ADT44 Member 876 Posts 7/09	Posted - Dec 3 2009 : 7:08AM Im a huge fan of EA (especially the rough jay sin/rocco siffredi/nacho vidal stuff) but it becomes more and more clear to me that the dvd's that vendors in the US sell (such as adult video universe and adult dvd empire) are highly edited for the US market compared to the European releases of "Evil Empire Euro" http://www.simplyporndvd.com/studio-Evil-Empire-Euro.html Most of the time I rather buy from the US because the artwork looks much nicer, sometimes they have extra's (that the Euro versions don't seem to have), and they are a lot cheaper (In Europe almost $50 per title in stead of $28). The price is just ridiculous! But if all the "roughness" in rocco's sin's or nacho's flicks is being left out in the US versions, I might consider buying the expensive European versions from now on. So:are EA DVD'S highly edited for the US market compared to the EURO versions of "evil empire Euro"? Does EA produce 2 versions of the same title for every title from Nacho, Rocco, Sin? I want the original full length unedited versions of EA titles not some lame softy weak version. Edited by - adt44 on Dec 3 2009 [Link]
ADT44 Member 876 Posts 7/09	Posted - Dec 3 2009 : 7:10AM Example of edited vs unedited: Rocco's AT series: https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.dlt/topic_id=105971/forum_id=5/cat_id=1/reply=1104021#post1104021 and: https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.dlt/topic_id=108588/forum_id=1/cat_id=1/reply=1103994#post1103994 In the mp3 interview the porn star (Jewel De Nyle/AT #15) even talks about 2 versions. I guess it's certainly not uncommon and probably happens with other EA titles too?!?! Edited by - adt44 on 12/3/2009 7:17:31 AM [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01	Posted - Dec 3 2009 : 1:30PM I wouldn't use the words highly edited. There are some titles that don't feature certain acts which are released through other distributors in other localities that may feature those acts. We also aren't talking every DVD either, I doubt even 10% are edited. Also, IIRC the European releases are by Shiva not by Evil Angel. And part of the reason the price is so high is the dollar is doing so bad right now. [Link]
Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04	Posted - Dec 3 2009 : 3:49PM As far as I know only some Rocco titles are different. He has his own distribution company in Italy. The Shiva versions are exactly the same edit as the original, minus any extra's. And I should know, as we have sold the Shiva versions in the past. You will see a difference in running time, but that is due to the NTSC-PAL conversion, not editing. Jacco [Link]
torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00	Posted - Dec 3 2009 : 5:45PM My Evil Sluts 2 had fisting between Cindy Hope and Clara G. That isn't on the US version. Can you buy NTSC Euro versions of these DVDs stateside? [Link]

Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04	Posted - Dec 3 2009 : 6:15PM Evil Sluts is not a title produced by Evil Angel, it's from Cruel Media. EA is just the distributor. Jacco [Link]
Len801 Deactivated User 754 Posts 9/07	Posted - Dec 3 2009 : 7:38PM ADT44 wrote: So:are EA DVD'S highly edited for the US market compared to the EURO versions of "evil empire Euro"? Does EA produce 2 versions of the same title for every title from Nacho, Rocco, Sin? I want the original full length unedited versions of EA titles not some lame softy weak version. Edited by - adt44 on Dec 3 2009 Click to expand Rocco Siffredi produces his own movies, and releases them in the USA through Evil Angel (which also explains why they contain English dialogue). Some of his movies contain pissing scenes which Evil Angel will not accept, so that stuff is edited out in the US editions. Evil Angel has enough problems as it is without ending up like Max Hardcore. Evil Angel does not produce TWO versions of those movies. Rocco pretty well chooses what he wants to shoot, but EA will not accept the "euro cut" because it does want to get into trouble with the US feds. At the same time you may not be completely sure even if you are buying a Euro version, whether it is the same American cut or the european cut. Checking the running time (which often is way out of whack from euro on-line distributors) does not help much either. For one thing they sare rarely accurate about running time and second the PAL/SECAM system does does not have the same frame timing as the NTSC system. [Link]
grover All-Star Member Literotica.com - grover10 16888 Posts 11/04	Posted - Dec 3 2009 : 8:10PM Up here in Canada, the Evil Angel titles are distributed by a Canadian company called Valentine Video. And Valentine Video does slice and dice the flicks. Therefore, I stay very far away from EA titles that are distributed by VV. Luckily for me, my local store can get the US version without any problems! Yay! [Link]
aussie_guy77 Member 121 Posts 4/07	Posted - Dec 5 2009 : 5:07PM Here in Australia they can be highly edited, but we have tougher censorship laws. [Link]
Len801 Deactivated User 754 Posts 9/07	Posted - Dec 6 2009 : 10:06AM grover wrote: Up here in Canada, the Evil Angel titles are distributed by a Canadian company called Valentine Video. And Valentine Video does slice and dice the flicks. Therefore, I stay very far away from EA titles that are distributed by VV. Luckily for me, my local store can get the US version without any problems! Yay! Click to expand The Valentine Canadian edition of Evil Angel titles are identical to the US version (as is the case with practically 99.9% of other US releases by other companies). I believe not all Evil Angel titles are currently bring widely distributed in Canada for a variety of other reasons (many smaller video stores have complained that the price is too high, and they prefer buying other titles from other outfits who charge way much less). I believe a few years back in the time of VHS releases quite a number of German fisting-themed movies were released in Canada (by a number of other distributors), while the pissing-on-someone scenes were cut out, the video box cover (the actual German original) was used with thumbnails showing you what you could not see inside the actual movie (very odd indeed!). From time to time some fisting scenes were also allowed, but anal fisting scenes were severely deleted. A few Max Hardcore titles were also released uncut (except the portion dealing with the pissing-on-someone). If the actress peed on the floor or in a bucket or something like that it would pass, but as soon as Max peed in the girl's mouth, it would be deleted. [Link]
grover All-Star Member Literotica.com - grover10 16888 Posts 11/04	Posted - Dec 6 2009 : 10:32AM ^ Only if there was a yellow "Uncut" label on the cover, then it would be identical to the US version. [Link]
Len801 Deactivated User 754 Posts 9/07	Posted - Dec 6 2009 : 11:02AM grover wrote: ^ Only if there was a yellow "Uncut" label on the cover, then it would be identical to the US version. Click to expand I am pretty sure the Canadian Valentine "Evil Angel" releases are identical to the US releases. But more to the point, one would think or get the false impression that MANY Rocco Siffredi movies have golden shower scenes. There are really only a handful, made and released many years ago. Unless someone can correct me, Rocco has not being doing that for quite some time. My mind may be playing tricks on me, but I believe this question was addressed to Tricia Devereaux some time ago (in this forum) as to whether the Canadian release versions were different from the US release, and I believe she answered that she did not know for sure. Nonetheless, I am pretty sure Evil Angel hands over the US release version to the the Valentine Canadian distributor and they take it as, and will not go looking for trouble by looking for a "Euro version" (which in any event will probably NOT be from Evil Angel, but from some other Euro distributor). So if Valentine is releasing an Evil Angel product (made by Rocco Siffredi or others) it will be the US release version, and not the Euro version. [Link]
M.B. Senior Member 1679 Posts 2/01	Posted - Dec 7 2009 : 12:39PM Back when the province of Onatrio was enforcing the obcenity laws yes Valentine Video was editing Evil Angels movies before releasing them. They had to submit their movies to the film board of Ontrio for approval, then the title would be "stickered" allowing it to hit the shelves. A lot of rough stuff would be edited out. Now that whole process is in limbo. Companies are no longer submitting movies for approval to the board, they are just releasing them. Since that time Valentine has not been editing their releases at all, but a lot of the time they don't have the extras the US versions have, behind the scenes etc. There are also some titles Valentine won't release at all, Fetish Fuck Dolls being one of them. I think they believe it's too rough and don't want the hassle so they just don't bother relasing it. But for the last few years they haven't been editing their releases at all. That's not to say that won't change in the future as the whole idea of submitting films to the board is currently tied up in court from the last I heard. [Link]
torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00	Posted - Dec 7 2009 : 2:21PM grover wrote: ^ Only if there was a yellow "Uncut" label on the cover, then it would be identical to the US version. Click to expand Any site selling Uncut Evil Angel titles? [Link]
Len801 Deactivated User 754 Posts 9/07	Posted - Dec 7 2009 : 2:59PM M.B. wrote: Back when the province of Ontario was enforcing the obcenity laws yes Valentine Video was editing Evil Angels movies before releasing them. They had to submit their movies to the film board of Ontario for approval, then the title would be "stickered" allowing it to hit the shelves. A lot of rough stuff would be edited out. Now that whole process is in limbo. Companies are no longer submitting movies for approval to the board, they are just releasing them. Since that time Valentine has not been editing their releases at all, but a lot of the time they don't have the extras the US versions have, behind the scenes etc. There are also some titles Valentine won't release at all, Fetish Fuck Dolls being one of them. I think they believe it's too rough and don't want the hassle so they just don't bother relasing it. But for the last few years they haven't been editing their releases at all. That's not to say that won't change in the future as the whole idea of submitting films to the board is currently tied up in court from the last I heard. Click to expand Every province in Canada has I believe some type of provincial government Film Classification Board, which classifies movies (for cinema and DVD) and authorizes their releases. As I understand it, Ontario pretty much classifies theatrical movies and DVD movies and other provinces just piggy back on the same approved print (why duplicate cost and effort?). Quebec has its separate and quite independent board, and is much more liberal than the Ontario one, so theatrical movies and movies on DVD will from time to time differ with regards to content (violence, sex, etc). Ontario would not allow PRETTY BABY with Brooke Shields or the German arthouse hit THE TIN DRUM. Neither the Ontario or Quebec Board "censors" movies. But if they find the content unacceptable, they simply won't give you a visa. Without a visa, you are threading into shark-infested waters. You can get fined, or worst still criminally charged for distributing obscene material. The cops/justice system are pretty much removed from obscene prosecutions as long as the Classification Boards do their job OK and provide visas for movies and DVD in circulation. The MPPA in the US does pretty much the same thing. Movie studios have a pretty good idea what gets you a "PG-13", an "R" or "NC" rating (which nobody wants). And the present game is the big studios release a violent movie with a PG-13 or R rating (because they are obligated to do so) and then put back all the edited parts back and call it "extended", "uncut", "director's cut", ad nauseam. I would surmise that certain adult movies assessed by the Ontario Board may differ from the Quebec Board. But it is very easy to tell what type of movie you are getting, in that all VHS/DVD's classified and approved by the Quebec Board are sold/rented with an easily identifable sticker. The Quebec approved DVD's (of US) releases will have 99.9% of the time the same content as the US releases. The foreign movies from Germany and elsewhere which may contain fisting and golden showers will most likely be to some extent edited. The Boards do not edit/censor, they just tell you what goes and what doesn't. There are some US titles the Quebec Board has not allowed to get through (for example the violent scatological movies from the Extreme Associates made some years back). I have checked into it, and the Quebec Board has not passed any of the four Evil Angel FETISH FUCK DOLLS. But I don't know whether this is due to Evil Angel not offering/selling the titles to Valentine (or others) (only they can tell you for sure), or whether Valentine has attempted to import the titles and the Quebec Board rejected the content and has refused to provide a visa. However based on the fact none of the other Extreme Associates movies were approved by Quebec Board, it seems likely that Valentine has felt it wise not to touch that series or has been politely told by the Board that it won't get a visa unless the movie would be severely edited, which no porn shop/consumer would want to acquire in that truncated form anyway. Violence/humiliation against women (in an adult movie) is not something the Quebec or Ontario Board are comfortable with. A lot of the Max Hardcore movies were never released in Canada even in some edited form. Canada Post seems to operate on a diferent level from the Provincial Film Classification Boards. I believe they (Canada Post) used to publish a list of unacceptable obscene material (magazine, books, movies) that they considered obscene and thus subject to seizure. I recall some years back at the old RAME newsgroup someone used to post a list. Edited by - Len801 on 12/7/2009 5:48:11 PM [Link]

Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04	Posted - Dec 7 2009 : 3:49PM torris wrote: Any site selling Uncut Evil Angel titles? Click to expand If you live in the USA basically any site selling EA titles. Except for some older Rocco titles as Len mentioned there are no differently edited Euro-versions of Evil Angel movies. The example you mentioned is a title not produced by EA, only distibuted. Jacco [Link]
ADT44 Member 876 Posts 7/09	Posted - Dec 7 2009 : 5:02PM Len801 wrote: ADT44 wrote: So:are EA DVD'S highly edited for the US market compared to the EURO versions of "evil empire Euro"? Does EA produce 2 versions of the same title for every title from Nacho, Rocco, Sin? I want the original full length unedited versions of EA titles not some lame softy weak version. Edited by - adt44 on Dec 3 2009 Click to expand Rocco Siffredi produces his own movies, and releases them in the USA through Evil Angel (which also explains why they contain English dialogue). Some of his movies contain pissing scenes which Evil Angel will not accept, so that stuff is edited out in the US editions. Evil Angel has enough problems as it is without ending up like Max Hardcore. Evil Angel does not produce TWO versions of those movies. Rocco pretty well chooses what he wants to shoot, but EA will not accept the "euro cut" because it does want to get into trouble with the US feds. At the same time you may not be completely sure even if you are buying a Euro version, whether it is the same American cut or the european cut. Checking the running time (which often is way out of whack from euro on-line distributors) does not help much either. For one thing they sare rarely accurate about running time and second the PAL/SECAM system does does not have the same frame timing as the NTSC system. Click to expand That's all crystal clear.Thxs. So, the conclusions are: 1.rocco's/vidal's/sin's dvd's are the same as the dvd versions that are being distributed by european companies. 2 if rocco/vidal/sin have also shot extremes stuff in "a" title then EA US will edit this stuff out and "a" european distributor for vidal's/rocco's (and sins) movies will (probably) release the uncut version, while selling these rough (more extreme) scenes arent considered illegal by law in most european countries. -But im gong to specify my question now: If i buy the European AT 15 version, this one: http://www.simplyporndvd.com/rocco-animal-trainer-15.html Will i get the same as the us verion, this one: [ invalid url ] Even jewel de nyle talks extensively about 2 versions: starting @15.00: http://blog.adultdvdtalk.com/podcasts/jewel-denyle_sept_2006.mp3 -as said, Im a big fan of rocco siffredi: who is the official distributer in europe? I think, knowing rocco- that he did lots of more rough stuff than "we" can see in the US EA edits. It bugs the hell outta me that I possibly haven't seen the real deal. see post 2 -and the links therein- for more interesting discussions in this regard. Thanks. Edited by - adt44 on 12/7/2009 5:03:07 PM [Link]
Len801 Deactivated User 754 Posts 9/07	Posted - Dec 7 2009 : 5:35PM Jacco wrote: torris wrote: Any site selling Uncut Evil Angel titles? Click to expand If you live in the USA basically any site selling EA titles. Except for some older Rocco titles as Len mentioned there are no differently edited Euro-versions of Evil Angel movies. The example you mentioned is a title not produced by EA, only distibuted. Jacco Click to expand I am not quite sure how far Evil Angel outreaches the distribution deal it has with Rocco Siffredi and others (Christophe Clark, Nacho Vidal, etc). Older titles were/are released in Europe by a variety of distributors, and many recent titles also bear the "Evil Angel" logo. I don't know how it is decided between Rocco and Evil as to what they release in Europe under the EA logo or some other distrubutor. Whether you may be getting an "uncut" Rocco DVD released say in France, Germany, or Italy is a tricky question. Only an expert that has gone through the process or is in the know may be able to answer for specific titles. I would not rely solely on the fact of the "running time" that may be mentioned by on-line EURO. They cite quite frequentrly very unreliable running times. And sometimes the expurgated material is only 2-3 minutes at most, and the PAL/SECAM system does not run at the same speed as NTSC. Only the older Rocco titles contain some pissing scenes, and some may be out of print or unavailable for sale. See this thread at EGFD and ADT regarding NEVER SAY NEVER TO ROCCO. The Evil Angel and Euro uncut versions are quite dissimilar (not only were the brief pissing scenes removed, but many scenes were rearranged in different order) https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.dlt/topic_id=138979/forum_id=17/cat_id=5/138979.htm [Link]
Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04	Posted - Dec 7 2009 : 8:05PM ADT44 wrote: That's all crystal clear.Thxs. So, the conclusions are: 1.rocco's/vidal's/sin's dvd's are the same as the dvd versions that are being distributed by european companies. Click to expand As far as I know there never were any different versions of Nacho/Jay Sin movies, just some of the older Rocco stuff. 2 if rocco/vidal/sin have also shot extremes stuff in "a" title then EA US will edit this stuff out and "a" european distributor for vidal's/rocco's (and sins) movies will (probably) release the uncut version, while selling these rough (more extreme) scenes arent considered illegal by law in most european countries. -But im gong to specify my question now: If i buy the European AT 15 version, this one: http://www.simplyporndvd.com/rocco-animal-trainer-15.html Will i get the same as the us verion, this one: [ invalid url ] Click to expand There is no company called Evil Empire Euro, all the movies listed there are the Shiva/Nighttrips versions. We have stopped selling those, as they only contain the movies and none of the extra's. AFAIK Evil Angel has stopped selling them rights, so the newer titles are not available through Shiva/Nighttrips. -as said, Im a big fan of rocco siffredi: who is the official distributer in europe? Click to expand He does not have one official distributor for Europe, but several for different countries. We just buy them from Evil Angel, as that is the easiest way to get them. Your best shot is trying to find the Italian versions, distributed by his own company. But they are in PAL format and not all of them would be different. Maybe somebody at the EGAFD can help you with that. Jacco [Link]
Len801 Deactivated User 754 Posts 9/07	Posted - Dec 8 2009 : 12:12AM ADT44 wrote: -But im gong to specify my question now: If i buy the European AT 15 version, this one: http://www.simplyporndvd.com/rocco-animal-trainer-15.html Will i get the same as the us verion, this one: [ invalid url ] Click to expand I believe your interest in the particular title (ROCCO ANIMAL TRAINER 15) may be due to certain declarations Jewel has made in this forum (Freeonees bulletin forum, etc) along the lines "I know in Animal Trainer #15 Rocco pissed on me..." as well as saying she ate shit out of Rocco's ass. These assertions have been amply discussed in other forums I have examined, but no one seems to have come up with concrete evidence that she really ate shit of Rocco's ass (or more to the point that it was actually filmed and released in some uncut version). The clips and screencaps that have circulated around have shown that she does a lot of anal rimming and fingering his ass, but no physical evidence of shit is seen. I do not know what the Shiva version offered through the Simplyporn site contains. [Link]
tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00	Posted - Dec 8 2009 : 12:57AM Jacco- Thanks for your answers. :) Rocco and Nacho and the rest of the directors that Evil Angel distributes know the limits of what we're able to distribute in the US. As strange as it seems, if a girl is peeing on something other than another person, we will distribute that, but we simply can't risk distributing a movie that shows someone obviously peeing on another person. If the girl is orgasming and squirting on another person, that is considered sexual, and we'll distribute that. It's on the advice of our lawyers, looking at what other people have been convicted of selling. Rocco has several European distributors. I haven't seen one of his non-Evil Angel DVDs. But no, we personally don't cut something out for the US and then release something different for Europe. As far as I am aware, Jay Sin doesn't release "Euro versions". [Link]
ADT44 Member 876 Posts 7/09	Posted - Dec 15 2009 : 4:32PM Len801 wrote: I believe your interest in the particular title (ROCCO ANIMAL TRAINER 15) may be due to certain declarations Jewel has made in this forum (Freeonees bulletin forum, etc) along the lines "I know in Animal Trainer #15 Rocco pissed on me..." (...). These assertions have been amply discussed in other forums I have examined, but no one seems to have come up with concrete evidence that she really ate shit of Rocco's ass (or more to the point that it was actually filmed and released in some uncut version). The clips and screencaps that have circulated around have shown that she does a lot of anal rimming and fingering his ass, but no physical evidence of shit is seen. I do not know what the Shiva version offered through the Simplyporn site contains. Click to expand Actually, there is physical evidence. These are screenies from a german compilation of rocco scenes: This is from animal trainer 15. From what I've understood/read/heard, this scene with jewel and a dildo and shit or blood???? (what is that, btw?) that she eats straight from her ass on the stairs, is missing completely from the Evil Angel Us edition.Maybe somebody can tell me what the bonus material from the US edition contains? I don't think it is that scene. I can't find any info in regard to the material of the bonus scene??? http://www.imagehost.se/images/7vpfbbun.png http://www.imagehost.se/images/yvi5bqvx.png http://www.imagehost.se/images/qjpwhezy.png http://www.imagehost.se/images/8gkiak6r.png http://www.imagehost.se/images/hn6fqdoj.png http://www.imagehost.se/images/0iwctp4m.png Len, I'm a bit confused now, as said, I want to expand my collection of rocco dvd's but I'm not sure what to do. 1 thing is sure, I want to order uncut editions of: -AT 15 (with this scene included)^^^^^ -All unedited and complete kelly stafford dvd's. What do YOU suggest? 1) night trips---->sold at simplyporndvd.com (UK) 2) shiva----->sold at simplyporndvd (uk) 3) sexxx label---->sold at dvdland.it I only hear people talk about night trips and shiva, not sexxx label, what can you tell about the italian sexxx label, same (un)edited version as night trips/shiva? I understand that most european edits dont include the bonus scenes from the us versions. But what kind of material can be found in these bonus scenes? I'm sure nothing extreme like piss or fisting, shit, blood scat or whatever? I think I rather have the uncut euro edits of these older rocco titles than some lame bonus scene.... Thanks. Edited by - adt44 on 12/15/2009 4:38:38 PM [Link]
Len801 Deactivated User 754 Posts 9/07	Posted - Dec 15 2009 : 5:29PM I never was able to get my hands on the US or Euro versions of AANIMAL TRAINER 15. I was only able to see some clips (on line) of the Jewel scene (the US cut version or those passed off as Euro versions). With regards to those pics, I would only conclude that it was a messy anal. Jewel had previously stated she ate shit out of Rocco's ass. I have never seen any documented proof of the existence of such content or act. Was it really shot? Was is it ever included in a finished print? No clue. I have no clue what the BTS US version contains, but as explained by Tricia Devereaux, no US version released by Evil Angel contains scat-pissing-fisting of Rocco Siffredi movies. So if you expecting to see something "extreme" in US versions (even in BTS) you can forget it, you may be wasting your time. I do not live in Europe, so I do not have access to Rocco Siffredi movies released by Shiva, Sexx Label or others. I was only able to get my hands on the 2-part uncut european version of "Never Say Never to Rocco" (1995), but it contains very brief pissing scenes. To be frank, aside from the "historical" value of this movie, I would not seek it out or pay large sums of money for it just for those couple of brief golden shower scenes. The movie is very long, tedious at times, peopled with a number of unattractive amateur male cast, with some of the action shot outdoors in seemigly cold and dark climate. The Euro version differs a lot from the Evil Angel version in the way the various scenes play out in different sequential order. [Link]
ADT44 Member 876 Posts 7/09	Posted - Dec 15 2009 : 6:26PM Hm, I think Im gonna try the Italian sexxx label dvd's from dvdland.it with my next order. They also have cheap shipping rates within europe, so thats definitely a plus.I'll let you know in this thread or maybe I can write the content somewhere on those web-sites where you contribute a lot to (in the case it's not done yet). But to tell you the truth, I know these scenes are probably not so great that one would happily spend large amounts of money on them, but I'm just curious about the powerfucks of rocco and scenes that have been left out of the us version. Yes I know it is necessary to edit the rough stuff by law, but it sure sucks to not see a film how it was attended to be seen. I've not come across a web-site that tells the exact difference in content between dvd's of different distributing companies of rocco movies. Btw, Im glad to hear jay sin and nacho vidal don't have euro versions out there: saves me a lot of time to do research in that regard. Jacco (message 4) you were talking about how shiva = the same edit as the original. What is "original" in your definition? P.S. Walter burns (message 2) says shiva = night trips, meaning exact the same versions on dvd, meaning an other version than EA US: So guess, I also don't need to pull my hairs out in search for differences between those 2 comps (thank god). https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.dlt/topic_id=37572/forum_id=11/cat_id=2/reply=269042#post269042 Yes, this is great to hear: quote: "AFAIK Evil Angel has stopped selling them rights, so the newer titles are not available through Shiva/Nighttrips." keeps everything a bit more organized in terms of different versions. What is "AFAIK"? The mother company of EA US? Secondly, you talked about "We" don't sell ... anymore. Who is we: do you have a nice web-shop in the US/EU? MMV and wild (sold at erodvd.nl) are 2 other companies I found who distribute EA. But those are synchronized. I'm allergic for synchronized movies with the fake as german moaning, lol. That's why I was looking for a non- german dubbed version of MISTEX at the time... Lastly, look at this: http://www.roccosiffredi.it/home.php Rocco's European web-site. If I did not have a nice big LCD screen in my livingroom that screams for DVD quality material then I would try a subscription at that web-site....looks like a lot of stuff from his (recent) movies?! To conclude: Let's hope I get the correct unedited versions of Rocco Vs Kelly Stafford series, Rocco Vs Sandy series and AT 15. I don't think he is so rough with them ladies anymore since Kelly left the business....so I think I will buy new titles via adult dvd empire or adult cd universe. Edited by - adt44 on 12/15/2009 6:39:39 PM [Link]
ADT44 Member 876 Posts 7/09	Posted - Dec 15 2009 : 7:32PM Germany is a land who synchronizes their movies very badly. A lot of old fashion type of moaning that really is irritating the hell outa me. What about other countries such Italy? To be more specific, since kelly stafford is English and rocco talks English to her (I'm pretty positive this was the original language of both), do you think the sexxx land italian version will synchronize kelly's voice and rocco's eglish talking sentences to Italian? The covers of sexxxland with movies featuring kelly are in Italian. Kelly's voice is cute, I would hate to see that being synchronized by fake Italian dub. Don't get me wrong, Im a fan of the unedited full length versions, but if it's dubbed( like the dvd MISTEX), then I'm not interested. Edited by - adt44 on 12/15/2009 7:34:36 PM [Link]

Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04	Posted - Dec 15 2009 : 8:46PM ADT44, AFAIK means 'As Far As I Know'. Shiva and Nighttrips are one company and when we (see my profile for a link to our website or go to the "Where to shop" section of ADT) still sold them they were the same as the US versions, just without any extras. I can not guarantee that that was the case for every movie, since we don't sell them anymore and we did not carry every title, so I can't check it. I don't know the Sexxx label, so I wouldn't know which versions those are. The only DVD's with Rocco's own versions I have ever seen had Italian language boxcovers, but that was years ago. Jacco [Link]