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tricia_devereaux
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Posted - Feb 21 2006 : 7:25PM
Helena's character will not be in Fashionistas 2. The storyline is done with her story.
broncster2614
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Posted - Feb 21 2006 : 8:48PM
is there any beef between EA and Taylor St. Claire that caused this? I remember reading somewhere in this forum awhile back that there was some animosity between Taylor and the company.
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Posted - Feb 21 2006 : 9:25PM
Helena (Taylor St. Claire)-

Somewhat similar to MyLoad, I've always envisioned any sequel to Fashionistas involving Helena in revenge mode. That is, in some part, probably due to my affinity for the body of Ms. St. Claire though, as without her I honestly never even consider watching Fashionistas 1. However, if the story were to follow typical film conventions then Helena's function in a revenge scenario would just be to ultimately re-affirm Jesse's newfound confidence. And after the ending of the original, that would be really repetitive. Ultimately, Jesse was the dynamic character of the original, and Taylor St. Claire's Helena, as hot as she was, has pretty much run its course. Plus, with posts like this ("Part two is going to be about so many other stars.. I had my time to shine and I am thankful for that") by Bella in her official forum, one can wonder how prominent a role Jesse will actually play in the sequel.

As for my objections to making a sequel to Fashionistas in the first place, Tricia pretty much summed up what you can actually see me thinking through in my original post (the "wait a minute? Chameleons had an incredibly stupid plot, but I dug it because of the themes the plot carried into the sex scenes. Why am I being so hard on this love triangle film then?" moment). So, the fact that I don't honestly care what becomes of Jesse or Helena or whoever else is absolutely inconsequential. This is porn. If it has people in it that I want to see having sex then I'll want to see it, and if the themes within the story makes the sex better then the story is good enough. So, I'll be interested to hear who fills out the rest of the cast, though short of Avy Scott there aren't any TSC types out there that would get me as excited as she did for the original. Plus, from a business standpoint after the success of the original and the critical success of the stage show how could John not be interested in doing a sequel?

As for the porn and politics comments about Tricia, porn has historically skewered the political climate of the time at different intervals, particularly during the Meese Commission days. The message in such films was almost always one of anti-censorship. Stagliano even delved into politics, with his Pro-American/Anti-Russian Cold War film Sex for Secrets . However, maybe the medium is just more realistic now about what consumers want from pornography, and the anachronistic films I am thinking of shall not be repeated again unless the industry comes under direct attack by the government.

Edited by - -Kelly- on 2/21/2006 11:08:24 PM

Myload
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Posted - Feb 22 2006 : 1:25AM
That sucks that Helena won't be a character in "Fashionistas 2". I can't picture her going down without a fight, because that's not Helena-like at all. She would more likely become a vicious, hateful person determined to destroy everything that Jesse and Antonio would accomplish both personally and professionally (they would become a married couple and join forces in the fashion industry). Losing control of them and seeing her company go down the toilet while seeing their enormous success in the fashion world as well as seeing them be overall happy would only breed anger and hate in her. I always felt that there was a psychopath in her waiting to get out, and that scenario would finally make that happen, and it would not be pretty one bit. I can also see Helena ending up in a mental institution at the end of that story.

I realize that this would take "The Fashionistas" into thriller territory, and I'm sure that's not what John Stagliano had in mind. It's just that to me that would be the natural progression of the story. But of course Helena can't be part of "Fashionistas 2" if Taylor St. Claire won't be in it. As for Jesse, I would like to see her be a big part of the sequel's story. But I know that's not up to me to decide.

I can't say "well, this is porn, so things like plot and characters don't matter". Those things definitely mattered in the first "Fashionistas". That movie showed that porn can be more than just people fucking. There's a real movie there, and it worked. Like Astroknight said. "The Fashionistas" shows how much potential the porn genre can have. That's what attracted me to the movie, and that's why I like it so much (not like I need to mention that yet again). I'm sure the sequel will do the same.

Edited to add and change some things.

Edited by - Myload on 2/22/2006 11:29:59 AM

 
Sh0cK
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Posted - Feb 22 2006 : 8:31AM
Agreed. I am a big fan of taylor very annoying to hear she will not reprise her role.
amneth
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Posted - Feb 22 2006 : 8:53AM
I know it probably won't happen, but I'd love to see a scene between Rocco and Marie Luv. I bet Rocco and Marie Luv could do a scorching scene. It would be cool to see Rocco with a dark-skinned girl who is willing to let him get as freaky as he wants with her.

Even if Marie Luv didn't work with Rocco, she'd look great in John's Fashionistas 2 movie.

Mr.XXX
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Posted - Feb 22 2006 : 9:37AM
Hi Tricia, Is Rocco retired or not?!
waterproof
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no. i'm not working for them but check out "simon o." at http://www.latex.at

some of the fines latex clothings available today with great prices too.

cheers, waterproof

waterproof
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Posted - Feb 22 2006 : 11:05AM
come on, not to offend him, but nacho is reason to ignore that movie completely.

think of it. all about *very* sexy women in fetish wear and then it comes to nacho - the beast - vidal.

i hope that's not the truth ;)

cheers, waterproof

-Kelly-
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Posted - Feb 22 2006 : 3:12PM
I, too, am not fond of the idea of Nacho appearing in Fashionistas 2 in any substantive way. I'd rather see Manuel back in it.
tricia_devereaux
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Posted - Feb 22 2006 : 3:54PM
Who says that Rocco, Manuel and Nacho can't ALL be in the movie?
Nacho is a bit of a beast, but he adores getting women off, and his part is being written 100% with him, his look and his personality in mind, so it should suit him perfectly.
Sugar On Top
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Posted - Feb 23 2006 : 3:24PM
Fashionistas was such great porn that making a sequal almost has the feeling of hubris. Ass Adoro was a perfect sequel in that it pushed the it in a new way..

Buttman (and Co.) are very interesting to me because they are among the hardest core of the porn out there, but they don't rely on the misogynistic goofiness that tends to come as a package deal with the hard sex.

About Nacho -- he forever gets credit in my book for putting out gay flicks. That was actually brave. Back to Evil was no joke either.

The Collector
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Posted - Mar 6 2006 : 3:31AM
My favorite scene in Fashionistas is when they're in the back room and some girl is tied up and allowing a buzzer near near her pussy and nipples. I've watched that scene so many times, it's so erotic for a woman to allow herself to have that done to her. The shot where her thighs quiver and back away is so fucking hot!!! Also when she's looking down at the device and frowning. I really really hope there will be more scenes like this in the sequel.

Other shots I thought were incredible:

The buttlicking scenes. I forget the performers names offhand, but on the 2nd disc, the woman who went into the back room is solo with a brown-haired guy after Rocco leaves and not only does the girl get her butthole licked in a way-too brief shot, but she does an excellent job licking the guy's butt. I hope there're more of that in the sequel. I prefer seeing actually up-close rimming instead of the "block his air" shots where you don't see any rimming.

Also, I like how the blond in the first scene enjoys Rocco pulling her hair. More please.

Also the way the black woman has the dildo really working her butthole when she says "Oh shit." More please.

tricia_devereaux
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Posted - Mar 6 2006 : 3:56PM
Collector - I was laughing (in a good way) while reading your post.

The girl with the electric buzzer was me. I begged John to let me use the electric shock stimulation in the movie.

The girl and guy were Caroline Pierce and Manuel Ferrara.

And the black girl was Monique (with Brandon Iron).

 
Twizted6
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Posted - Mar 7 2006 : 12:29AM
I want more too, please.
Manuel Ferrara
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Posted - Mar 7 2006 : 1:11PM
looking forward to do fashionista 2.
manuel
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Enfin manuel je t'ai retrouvé :)

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danl
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Posted - Apr 1 2006 : 2:25PM
Fashionistas 2 without Taylor St Claire, and the Helena character, will be Fashionstas "Phew."
Don't know what "hard on" Tricia and John have against Taylor, one of the most beautiful women ever to appear in a porn film, but, for the sake of creating a sequel to what, arguably, is the greatest adult film of all time, fences should be "mended."
Also, for the sake of we smoke fetishist world-wide, and to add considerably to a fetish theme, frequent female cigarette smoking scenes, should be incorporated--this time--
4theheart
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Posted - Apr 1 2006 : 3:47PM
from my understanding danl, taylor is completly retired from the adult biz, so that would eliminate her as a viable option, and would seem to be beyond tricia's or EE's control

Edited by - 4theheart on 4/1/2006 3:49:39 PM

danl
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Posted - Apr 1 2006 : 4:10PM
I'm aware that Taylor is out of the business, but its just something like the over-whelming appeal of a Fashionstas revisited, that might bring this beautiful lady back.

Besides, how many other porn stars have "retired," and returned.

Unless Taylor, as the wronged Helena character can "get her pound of flesh," this time, a great deal will be lost from the original impact, and thus, just won't be the same.

I hope Tricia and John, who created Helena so powerfully, will see that. and at least make some overtures to Taylor.

I just saw Basic Instinct 2, for example, featuring the return of the, oh so sexy, Sharon Stone, in that same powerful role, and although the sequel may not be as good as the original (few ever are) it is pretty damn close, which would also be the case with Taylor, as the Helena character.

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Posted - Apr 1 2006 : 4:22PM
I suspect that Stagliano will not be pandering to anybody else's vision, which is just as well, considering how many conflicting visions there are out there.
Myload
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Posted - Apr 1 2006 : 7:07PM
I agree with you. It's hard for me to imagine the story without Helena. I had some ideas of my own (see my earlier posts on this thread), and while I know that none of them will be used for the sequel, I still feel that Helena is far from finished.
Exactly. What would be cool is Catherine Tramell (Stone's character in the "Basic Instinct" movies) taking Helena under her wing and helping her (Helena) become the psychopath I always knew that she could be. Together, they would be a deadly twosome. My imagination sure does run wild.
ShaneTyler
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Posted - Apr 3 2006 : 5:55PM
Drop a load writes -
Does this also mean a new Las Vegas review, courtesy of our beloved Buttman, is potentially 'in the works' as well?! .. "Fashionistas II, The Second Cumming" perhaps? lol

"Fashionistas" (the original) hasn't left the DVD in my bedroom since, geesh, I can't remember when! I'm looking forward to what brilliantly twisted storyline and sex elements John comes-up with this time.

Guess I'll start rolling-up my spare quarters now to be able to afford the new DVD in September ... You know John, Tricia and the Evil Empire will definitely be going "full-bore" on this release!

My fingers are crossed for everyone on the project, regardless of who winds-up working together.

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Tinaka
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Posted - Apr 3 2006 : 7:02PM
I keep going back to Fashionistas. It's a few years old now but wow it's still way ahead of anything else, the strongest sex scenes out there by far. And doesn't film just look so great. I hope the sequel looks at least as good.
 
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am I the only one here wishing for a fanboy edition with a giant "F" symbol or collectors box of some sort laugh if you will, but I stand by my geekdom [:p)]
M.B.
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Posted - Apr 4 2006 : 3:49PM
Someone like Mandy Bright would be a good replacement for Taylor. Maybe cast her as the sister, two evil sisters instead of one.
Even though Mandy's usually a sub (from the movies I've seen), she'd probably make a good good dom too.
The scene Taylor did with Belladonna was incredible.
Maybe the tables will be turned this time and Bella will be the one in control in a lesbian domination scene.
broncster2614
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Posted - Apr 4 2006 : 4:38PM
No, shes' too skinny.
tricia_devereaux
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Posted - Apr 8 2006 : 4:56PM
wow -
I can´t get over how people can´t get over the fact that there was never a possibility of Taylor or her character being in Fashionistas 2.
Taylor burned her own bridges with the Evil Empire, and I am never one to air dirty laundry, so I will leave it at that.
Beyond that, a story focusing on Helena trying to get revenge or anything would have, to John and I, been completely boring on a creative or developmental or sexual level. I want to see as many new characters as possible having sex, not the same old soap opera being repeated over and over. Fashionistas 2 occurs a little down the line, and the characters have evolved to a level way beyond where the first movie took them.

Katsumi is the NEW LEAD of Fashionistas 2. I just can´t think of anyone who is sexually more suited for this feature than Katsumi. As the movie is being made, I will release the other cast members too, as I have already mentioned Katsumi and Melissa Lauren here on ADT as being in the movie, I will clarify that they are indeed the new female leads of the Fashionistas story. Belladonna will still be in the movie in a sexual role, and Rocco Siffredi will reprise Antonio. Nacho Vidal will play a character that he is perfect for. I´m very happy with how this is evolving, and I hope people will have an open mind come September, and hopefully enjoy F2.

Oh, and you better believe I´m going to try to one-up myself on the DVD production, and even the DVD packaging. A limited edition package isn´t out of the question, and I have a few ideas that I´m looking into.

Talk to you all soon!

piercedpixie1
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Posted - Apr 8 2006 : 5:35PM
does that mean antonio (rocco) is not having sex in the film?
that would be upsetting! but i guess i could get over it...eventually!
-Kelly-
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Posted - Apr 8 2006 : 6:06PM
I think you're a victim of your own success there. If Taylor's sex scenes in the original hadn't been so hot, people wouldn't really miss her in the sequel. Plus, Taylor is only partially responsible for this. It seems that some people who really want Helena back are more interested in the psychology of that role, particularly the power dynamics between her and the fellow two members of the triangle, as opposed to having an overly strong physical attraction to Taylor, what with the "lets re-cast the role" suggestions.

Congratulations to Katsumi and Melissa, strong performers both, on landing the roles of the new female leads. However, to be honest I've never been attracted to either girl though they're both certainly attractive. So, my interest with the project is now relegated to the supporting roles, but with Bella Donna on tap and Manuel, Rocco, and Nacho around it's hard to imagine any other female roles of significance. Still keeping my fingers crossed for a Sunny Lane appearance, particularly since she looks like she doesn't belong anywhere near an S/M club.

Edited by - -Kelly- on 4/8/2006 7:31:08 PM

broncster2614
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Posted - Apr 8 2006 : 8:58PM
That is great news about Katsumi. She is fuckin hot and has an amazing body. But I don't know about Melissa Lauren.....not a fan of hers.

Who are some other girls that may be in the movie?

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pixie don't worry girl he will be in there fucking "wink"

Edited by - drop a load on 4/9/2006 12:27:02 AM

M.B.
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Posted - Apr 9 2006 : 9:26AM
Katsumi as the lead star is somewhat disappointing to me.
 
Myload
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Posted - Apr 9 2006 : 11:47AM
Now the question is, what is the acting ability of the movie's new female stars like? I haven't seen any of either one's movies, so I have no idea how they are at sex, but "Fashionistas 2" will of course require more than that.
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Posted - Apr 10 2006 : 2:07AM
I didn't mean to imply that Rocco wasn't having any sex scenes. Quite the opposite, Antonio has more than one sex scene in part 2.

Katsumi and Melissa are actually quite good actresses. And each of them is perfectly suited for their character in the movie. John cast each of them before the script was finished.

As for Sunny Lane, if she's in the movie at all, it will actually be a quite small role, with no acting whatsoever. As Kelly said, she isn't the S/M type and therefore Sunny having a large part in this movie just wouldn't make sense.

At the risk of angering a bunch of people, I'm going to go ahead and say that there would be very little chance that a girl who doesn't do anal would have a chance at having a large part in this movie.

Oh, and as for the Marie Luv request, YES- we absolutely love Marie and I think that her sexuality would match up really great with Rocco. We're deciding between a few different girls (Marie being one of them) for the last girl who hasn't been cast in Rocco's sex scenes yet.

-Kelly-
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Posted - Apr 10 2006 : 3:28AM
I guess Rocco would only come out of retirement for John, the man who used to call him "Dario, the Italian movie star" so many years ago.
I was only thinking of Sunny in a role befitting her appearance because if there were a a part in the sequel that called for a girl who should most definitely look out of place in S/M she'd be your girl. However, I knew from your casting call press release that she wasn't the type you were looking for. So, it was just me marking out for my favorite girl. If she makes it into one of the sex scenes, that'll give me something to look forward to. If not, maybe she'll make more sense for a future project. No big deal.

Anal a must for the leading females, huh. Understandable. I'm just glad that the original didn't demand it of the Caroline Pierce character [:p)]

Edited by - -Kelly- on 4/10/2006 4:33:07 AM

broncster2614
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Posted - Apr 10 2006 : 4:13AM
Tricia, try getting Sunny Lane in a sex role that maybe doesn't focus her totally, pairing her up with another girl taking on the guy (the Rocco-Sharon Wild-Friday scene comes to mind). She's got an ass and she was also in one of those Buttman comic movies. PLEAS! :)
Go for a fresh young girl to be paired up with Rocco. Some I can think of are Tiffany Rayne and Kenzie Kerner (I think thats how you say her last name) Is there a way you can get SANDRA ROMAIN in the movie?
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Posted - Apr 10 2006 : 6:48AM
I would love to see this pairing, but would Rocco do it? He's always avoided working with black women in the past. Would he greenlight this choice and give it his best effort?
danl
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Posted - Apr 10 2006 : 12:21PM
Fashionstas Phew, it is then. A Fetish-style film, complete with tight latex, and other fetish-complimentary props, without either Taylor or Friday, but with Rocco--and yet, youall stress you don't want to create a "soap opera" effect???

Don't think that I'll be unfolding the old wallet for this one, especially with your announced cast of "tiny tits," having, for me, from a fetish view point, the taste of a "flat" near beer vs the foamng head on a "real" brew.

Methinks, massive ego here, has triumphed over common sense!--reminiscent of our current political leadership.

tricia_devereaux
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Posted - Apr 10 2006 : 3:39PM
broncster - I can guarantee you that one of the girls you asked about is in the movie. But I don't really like fake boobs that don't look natural, so you can eliminate one of those names automatically.

And no, Sunny's scene will definitely NOT be with Rocco, if she does have a scene. After working with her on Vault, I feel that I really know her strengths and weaknesses, and we have one small part that might be very well suited for her.

-Kelly-
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Posted - Apr 10 2006 : 4:24PM
It's cool that you might have a small part for her after all. She has amazing chemistry with Manuel, but since she doesn't go in for being degraded, belittled, or demoralized I imagine a pairing with Rocco or Nacho in full-on "Fashionistas" mode would not be a good fit. However, that's assuming too much. For all I know, the potential role could be girl/girl (like in Vaults) or non-sex.

Edited by - -Kelly- on 4/10/2006 4:45:02 PM

piercedpixie1
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Posted - Apr 10 2006 : 7:18PM
hurray!!! :)
broncster2614
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Posted - Apr 10 2006 : 7:53PM
Hell yeah! Well, I wasn't thinking about Sunny being paired with Rocco would be either, but she should definitely have a sex role in the movie to put that ass to use (and I'm not talking about anal).

And I guess you are talking about Kenzie Kerner with the fake boobs. Oh well, does that mean there's a possibility of Tiffany Rayne or Sandra being in it???

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Posted - Apr 11 2006 : 5:37PM
I have only a small part in this movie but it was great to witness this production. I can't wait to see the final product because I can imagine it will excel part one.

Aside from shooting I was partying in Berlin every night for two weeks. I had the time of my life.

Best regards to John and Tricia

Steve Holmes

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I cannot wait to see you in this!!

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... RAWK ON!!! ... RAWK ON!!!
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Posted - Apr 12 2006 : 7:00PM
I hope the packaging of the new movie will be similar to the first one. "The Fashionistas" has the best packaging of any DVD, porn or mainstream.
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Can't wait for this one
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