^^ It depends on her rates of course if she asks too much she wouldn't get hired even if she will , on the other hand she's not a no profit organization she's a pro performer with rates , she wouldn't perform cheap, she shouldn't either. Also there are two stories with two different performers here , someone used IAFD to see when the actresses did their first IR after their beginning then he implied that those who retained themselves were racist who did it for the money (laughable anyway, Alexis Ford did her first IR years after her first shoot but was a real life black lover off set). One of them was Kristina Rose , who intervened and explained that she had IR from the beginning or such but for over a year nobody booked her for IR , she was more than willing she just didn't get it. As usual the IR activist wouldn't accept a very sensed answer and begun a fight with her , being temperamental she fought back, short after that she left the board. Another story is that o Penny Pax , she did a Glory Hole for dogfart then nothing for over a year , she was almost begging for IR scenes , but nobody was booking her , she went in threads offering for scenes , we tried to request her (she's great plain and simple) but nothing happened , then all of a sudden they begun to hire her , she's one of the best now. Point is unless a star offer herself for free, she need to be booked it's not up to her to do a scene she's not requested for, I'm not saying Nikki Benz is not faking , I'm saying that if she is really asking for IR but nobody hires her is that really her fault?
What customers? Those black already buying her scenes,dvds, camshow or live shows don't need to be lured or offered hope they are already there , such behaviour would only make her lose her white customers , there's no need to lure anybody or give them hope for uncertain potential new customers . especially considering that whites usually have more money to spend in average , would she kick out a white customer who buys for example three DVDs per month in hope to get one who buys one at best? it just doesn't make sense
^ we'll have to agree to disagree then. ^^ it looks like a strategy of giving a rate taken from the moon - if someones ready to pay that much its a win for her cause of a boatload of cash, if noone takes the bait she can always say she was open for it and continue with business as usual. an example of that was Rachel Roxxx tripling her escort rate to Michael Jordans son.
I have to say that i didn;t know that about Kristina and Penny and that it is sad that some girls get harassed like that that. Yes i agree that rates could possibly play a role in company not wanting to to pay a crazy amount of money to do one scene but at the same time you have to take into account the fact that weather you like her as a Nikki is one of the biggest names in porn and a legit top star in the business and her first IR scene would be worth more in return then pretty much any other scene she could do right now. think about the face that Jules Jordan was willing to pay Rachael Starr's anal fee which she herself has said is way above her usual pay grade so im pretty sure that an IR king like Jules would be willing to pay Nikki whatever she asked for to do a Darkside feature.
^ I'm not sure of this , rumours said he paid $ 3,000 Amy Reid for her first IR , one scene only and everybody went mad for this foolish amount, either in fear of a general raise in rates for IR or because it was really foolish. Stars of that level may ask for such amounts after that , Nikki Benz is one who may think she could get such money maybe a little less , a complete Darkside may be too expensive even for Jules , the last he made was with Alexis Ford I believe , but then he hadn't to fight to convince her to do her scenes with Lex and Mandingo Edited by - LCF on 7/20/2014 4:56:00 PM
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Posted - Jul 20 2014 : 5:36PM
You reap what you sow, what goes around, comes around. 11 years you pay them no mind, 11 years more you wait your turn.
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Bob Cobb Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 20 2014 : 6:01PM
Coulda sworn this thread was supposed to be about first IR scenes that have already taken place. Does every fucking thread here have to devolve into a debate about racism?
^ its just dialectical discourse. if anybody has got a scoop for new interracial then step up brother, because this whole back and forth stems actually from Dani Daniels keeping her promise regarding ir.
I don't think it has to be Jules, what i was saying was that Nikki is a huge star and IF she really wanted to do an IR scene she could and someone would be willing to pay her what she wants but i don't think she wants to do a IR scene. I hope im wrong tho.
^^^Yes, sometimes a thread about race talks about racism. We're just having a fun little convo in a thread that is usually dead, so i don't see a problem with that. Edited by - bobmarblee on 7/23/2014 1:31:13 AM
so Bob Cobb, our truly impatient and temperamental friend - I give you Georgie Lyall plus Candi Coxx. sad that instead of bitching you couldn't focus on finding it first. Edited by - rafalas on 7/23/2014 4:17:36 AM
^ That Georgie first timer is fantastic. Her is the link to the mobile trailer: A Fuck In The Park Last Sunday she was supposed to perform with Antonio in a live show for SheBang.tv, instead Tina Kay featured.
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Posted - Jul 23 2014 : 1:00PM
Candi did a gloryhole scene a couple months back for bangbros and she worked that chocolate dick like it owed her money. She is a performer that could be huge if she chose, my guess is she's doing just enough work to remain interesting.
^ but some others might not be satisfied in ir bj only. we must know that from the legal interpretation given by Bill Cliinton bj is not sex yet
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Posted - Jul 23 2014 : 10:29PM
^ Bill Clinton. Way to be topical and current. Lol Former Playboy model Mandy Thompson (aka Denise, Tia Cox, Maxine Tyler) did her only IR scene with Rico Shades for "My Deep Dark Secret." Edited by - Bob Cobb on 7/24/2014 12:56:39 AM
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Posted - Jul 24 2014 : 12:55AM
sorry for my fuck up - meant to edit my earlier post Edited by - Bob Cobb on 7/24/2014 12:55:58 AM
Brooke Wylde announced her first IR timer today on Twitter; a scene with Flash Brown for, of course, Blacked.com: https://twitter.com/brookewyldexo/status/492923364571222017 (Sorry, the hyperlink does not work for me ar this moment). Here is the pic:
^^Yep, it is Flash. I wasn't referencing the above pic, though. I was just making a general observation that Prince pops up in a lot of the pics in this thread and on Twitter. Lucky dude.
Off topic: I believe the upcoming Blacked scene will feature Keisha Grey and Mischa Brooks. The trailer was already published when their website was launched. Now we have to wait, again.
They have shot the scene, Nikki herself confirmed it on twitter
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Posted - Jul 28 2014 : 8:35PM
DAAAAMMMNNNN..that boy Flash is killing it right now man LOL :D .. 1. Brooke Wylde 2. Nikki Benz 3. Carmen Callaway 4. Lacey Johnson 5. Farrah Flower All worked with him for their first IR scenes this year!!...many think Prince is the "go to guy" in IR right now and that may be the case...but if Flash continues this impressive run of his then he will no doubt be taking Prince's spot real soon. Also i believe that's Flash's first time working with Jules Jordan? i remember Flash tweeted him a few months ago saying they should work together after someone on twitter suggested jules should give Flash a series now Mandingo has left..so if Flash impressed i wonder if Jules would consider doing something like that? Edited by - iwatchusmash on 7/28/2014 8:50:51 PM
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^Brooke shot for Blacked.com ^^^Indeed Nikki tweeted her first IR scene was FirE !! https://twitter.com/nikkibenz/status/493887375747989504 (Sorry could not hyperlinked the tweet)
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Posted - Jul 29 2014 : 1:49AM
i will pass on the nikki benz scene, her one foot out the door ir doesnt do anything for me.....
so Jules gave in and paid her whatever she wanted, just to get to stop the momentum of Blacked.com . on a serious note, I'm not gonna watch obviously and I hope a lot of you brehs will do the same so that the flick will bomb. Edited by - rafalas on 7/29/2014 2:13:39 AM
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Posted - Jul 29 2014 : 3:20AM
Thought brooke shot with prince for blacked.com guess it wasnt him
I don't think Jules gives any fuck to the momentum of Blacked , different markets, besides he's the one who will distribute their stuff on DVD , so whatever it is , it doesn't matter for him anyway , after Siri, Keisha, Grey, Dani Daniels and now Nikki Benz , you already know who's next don't you? You saw her pics BTW Dogfart updated Carmen Callaway's first IR today on Black on Blondes , with Flash Edited by - LCF on 7/29/2014 5:11:29 AM
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Posted - Jul 29 2014 : 8:36AM
So who is "next" bro? please enlighten those of us who ain't getting the hint :D . Anyways speaking of that Carmen scene...i saw the "behind the scenes" clips from that and right after the shoot ended she was going on about how she's "gay" and off camera only messes with a guy when she's "drunk" ..so i was thinking "oh damn this ain't gonna be a good scene"!!...but sh/t man i was wrong cause she was bouncing on that thang like Flash stole something LOL...pure fire man. Edited by - iwatchusmash on 7/29/2014 8:52:41 AM
^ I don't know if it's a joke , we've been talking about it here and there on the board, if it isn't then I'm going to enlighten you , next in line is Brandi Love , there are pictures of her sitting on Prince's knees in some party or event , much like those of Dani Daniels last year , plus in her Blog she said she's been swinging for years and she did fuck some black dude over the years , and she had no problem shooting IR under some conditions , the very same she uses for white talents, the contest and the talent ,given the right contest and an attractive male talent she would do.That was before blacked was launched I believe. A month later she's been seen with Prince. Some members here said she's a troll luring her black customers into her material (though I can't see a reason for that as explained above for Nikki Benz) but she wouldn't do that.I've read these words and a very similar reasoning very often, too often actually, it has been proved wrong a number of times , basically always , but no those guys continue with that and never apologize. I have a short list that would be much longer if I had the time and the will to do an extensive research, but I believe these are enough. They are stars who either announced they were going to do IR or informed us they did but nobody believed them , and they've been treated as trolls at best , as liars very often. Samantha Saint a scene and then a entire IR showcase Keisha Grey announced she did two IR scenes , Blacked wasn't on yet, nobody believed her and was harassed for a long time , it was true Siri was available for IR given the right circumstances and production , was harassed constantly on her thread (has to be closed and reopened after a while), she had to broke an agreement with the production , she wasn't supposed to reveal anything but she put a picture of her and Lex on set , so she spoke the truth,. Dani Daniels said nothing particular , just that she had no problems with blacks in her real life , put some pictures of her and Prince hanging out ,same words. trolls , liar , and so, contrarily to Siri she kept silent, it was Blacked who announced they filmed an entire IR showcase over her ,first scene with Prince Nikki Benz Much like Siri said she was available for IR , she did on twitter, was actually asking to be booked , of course with the right production and the right talent . You can see what stormed on her on this very thread , this and the previous page are here to be read. Once again she spoke the Truth, her scene with Flash Brown has been announced for Jules Jordan Video , again on twitter, there 's a picture Now they are repeating the whole ordeal with Brandi Love , she said she is available given some conditions. We'll see Almost forgot Samantha Bentley same as Siri, she was attacked on her thread for this ,not sure whether if it has been closed too, anyway eventually she did her scene with Omar Williams for Harmony. Edited by - LCF on 7/29/2014 9:23:59 AM
but really who give a fuck if Nikki did ir 4 years ago, the previous, or the next year - her ship has sailed, and she was a record holder in "dodging" as far as I know. Siri, Dani and Keisha (especially) were brand new, if some impatient people bitched and name called them, so what? Brandi is a hybrid of those two worlds - she waited for quite a long time but good for her if she's doing it now .
^ This is not the point, the real point is people shouldn't continue to harass, complain or call those girls names , they are ALL maintaining their words , so whether or not you are interested is up to you, but for those who are the whole charade of "liar" "troll" "racist bitch" should end, those who did should at the very least recognize they were wrong and keep humbly silent on this. Edited by - LCF on 7/29/2014 2:15:18 PM
yes people shouldn't be stooping down to the level of calling someone a racist bitch, but there are levels to the industry. and Nikki doing it now in 2014 is an equivalent of a 33-year old finishing high school, to me its past her expiration date regarding ir (and Brandi too imo). so once again to lump hyperactive people lambasting newbies or fairly new performers to those users who see the deliberation (5-11 years) in waiting for a big payday/can't get work in white on white companies is a whole other ballgame. Edited by - rafalas on 7/29/2014 3:08:14 PM
good for you but I'll take my money elsewhere and not look back at those who tried to manipulate the game in such a pitiful way for so long and indirectly leading to the deterioration of the business. even if you look why people over the net were so quick at pointing out Dani (though I apologized for doubting her), Siri or Keisha are "bitches and whore who can't be trusted" etc. - its actually the practices of the long term dodgers who created this climate for distrust and verbal assaults to newer generations of pornstars, they're probably viewed in the same way as Nikki or Rachel and that is not fair for those performers who actually deliver without fuss.
They did? The way I see it , there was a perfectly fine climate , there were stars who did IR and those who didn't , there were plenty who did some did a lot of it , some even exceeding the non IR scenes . Then , at one point, some people begun to harass those they called "dodgers" on myspace, on twitter, on forum, at convention, in any way , when will you do an IR scene? Several times a day , with multiple accounts ,stalking them on every forum , social of whatever, for weeks , for months , in some cases for years. It is known that the tormented, those under torture will swear anything to put an end to it. and now you say THEY create the climate of mistrust? Man if I had half of what they're taking in the last three years even I would swear I'd take Mandingo up the ass with no oil! And now that they give up and decided to do it ,they say they're no longer interested ? Now that's funny , they do the scene they possibly wouldn't have done without such torture but then nobody wants it , but THEY are those who create such climate.
I'll have my final word on those last paragraphs - they're not good enough doing it now cause its useless at this point, like giving an Eskimo a refrigerator or a bald man a comb. if an adult star wants to gamble by holding out for so long it may backfire of course some may like it but I will rather support all time ir friendly or fresh stars (up to 3 years in the biz till finally doing ir).
