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Bill  All-Star Member  5334 Posts 6/00 |  Posted - Jun 30 2002 : 10:22AMThe dismissal of Seymore Butts obscenity charges seems to have made some manufacurers a little bold lately. I have bought two different DVD's this week that contained fisting scenes without even knowing that I was doing so. Candy Stripers has been released on DVD. The original version contained two scenes that featured fisting. Subsequently, these scenes were edited out of the video. Well, while the DVD contains the edited version, there is an Easter Egg on this DVD that shows both of the fisting scenes that were edited out. After the Arrow trailers, the following message is shown: If you go to that web site you get an HTTP 404 - File not found error. However, the correct combination of buttons once you are highlighted on "Play Movie" are: You can also just find Title 2 using your DVD Players naviation buttons. The second title containing a fisting scene is "Flaunt It!" with Tiffany Mynx. On the video tape, the footage explicitly showing the fisting was edited out. However it is prominently shown on the DVD. I have no problem with fisting scenes (I really don't know what the big deal is all about, either way). However, like in the case of Tampa Tushy Fest, I think that it is awfully presumptuous of the manufacturers to release these titles without letting the retailers know that they contain the fisting scenes. The manufacturers have every right in the world to expose themselves to prosecution (as silly as that may be). However, they have no right to expose the retailers to that same prosecution.  [Link] |
| baronorca Member Montana 528 Posts 1/01 | Posted - Jun 30 2002 : 12:24PM Any retailer who cares can find this info out, but most prefer not to know (just buy and sell & make a profit). Personally, I would have felt that a release of "Candy Stripers" without the previously deleted material would be a major rip-off. now lets hope for a restored "Taboo". Karl (Smutmonger since 1985)  [Link] |
| Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Jun 30 2002 : 2:05PM My local store is owned by an adult video distributor in the New York area. He is (or was) selling the Candy Stripers DVD. He had no idea that this disc had the fisting in it until I told him about it. He's not sure if he is going to pull it from his shelves or not. However, my point is that his salesmen are the people that the stores deal with. If they don't know that the product contains a fisting scenes, how should the store owners know. Distributors rely on the manufacturer keeping them informed of this kind of thing, and the stores rely on the distributor. If the information is not getting to the distributor, how can it be expected to reach the retailer? [Link] |
| Cygnus5 Member 88 Posts 4/02 | Posted - Jun 30 2002 : 3:50PM Where are the lines drawn, and by whom? What were the charges against Seymour Butts, may I ask? Also, if the community-standards edict of 1973 is still in place, are certain titles illegal for sale in certain areas of the country? Finally, what is so damn wrong about fisting? How is inserting a fist into someone's vagina "wrong" when other objects are "acceptable"? Who makes these arbitrary distinctions anyway? [Link] |
| Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Jun 30 2002 : 4:30PM As I've pointed out in previous threads on this topic, in the US, Obscenity is the only "crime" where a crime hasn't been committed until a jury determines that is has. With all other "crimes", the law specifically spells out what is and isn't a crime. Obscenity laws just basically say that something is obscene if a prosecutor can convince 12 people who weren't smart enough to be excused from a jury that something doesn't "meet community standards". From the point of view of a local video store, I have to believe that the risk of selling "questionable" videos greatly outweighs the potential reward, [Link] |
| Cygnus5 Member 88 Posts 4/02 | Posted - Jul 1 2002 : 2:46AM [Link] |
| Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Jul 1 2002 : 7:31PM If a prosecutor decides to take them to court, and a jury decides to convict, THAT is when selling that particular video is defined as a crime. If a prosecutor charged a convenience store with drug charges for selling cigarettes because the do just as much harm as any other "illegal" drug, then THAT would be analgous to obscenity prosecutions. [Link] |
| Cygnus5 Member 88 Posts 4/02 | Posted - Jul 2 2002 : 12:26AM Again, sorry for my lack of specificity. The mind still boggles, however, over the arbitrariness of "fisting" being illegal. It defies logic. [Link] |
| gogo Member 80 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Jul 11 2002 : 10:22PM But the overall artificiality killed it for me. (And yet, a sci-fi story like Virtualia can work, because spacesuits are so obviously unreal that they become mythic. Whereas makeup and fake hair and nails is just too true to life). Aside from that the production value is pretty good, the video quality good, and all in all a fine effort production wise. The fisting scene takes place in the opening scene - a wedding photographer looks on as the bride and a bridesmaid gets it on with the groom. The bridesmaid does the act on the bride from behind while the bride is on her knees. There is an outtake at the end credits where it is revealed that it was done as a suprise ("He told me to do it!" the other actress says, pointing off camera). As such, there is little build up to it, no playing it up as something erotic. Actually that is probably why it is in this film - because it does not draw attention to itself. [Link] |
| baronorca Member Montana 528 Posts 1/01 | Posted - Jul 15 2002 : 10:18PM isn't the company that released "Flaunt It" (with fisting scene), the same company that let Max hardcore go because of a fisting scene? Karl [Link] |
| Asmodeus Lord of Lust az-mo-day-us 6338 Posts 10/01 | Posted - Jul 15 2002 : 11:01PM [Link] |
| Scott Kinney xxximports.com New Jersey 369 Posts 5/02 | Posted - Jul 16 2002 : 7:49AM If anyone has actually had this tape in their hot little hands, I'd love to know about it. (Heck, I'd love to know how they got it...and, no, jaded doesn't actually have it, it's listed as an upcoming release.)
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