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| backdoorman Senior Member  Shake for me girl... I wanna be your backdoorman ! 2776 Posts 10/07 |  Posted - Apr 5 2008 : 10:08AMOK I can't figure it out. What the fuck is the big deal about fisting? Why is it any more hardcore than any other genre and why in God's name is it supposedly illegal to sell these movies in the U.S. When researching IAFD these movies are fairly plentiful with American actresses but can't be purchased anywhere? Any replies would be appreciated and especially some leads on vendors for fisting movies with American girls. I know they can be bought from Euro suppliers but mostly with Euro girls [which I like a lot too]. What's your take?  [Link] |
kafka  All-Star Member IAFD.com 1160 Posts 4/04 | Posted - Apr 6 2008 : 2:45AM I don't know if Scott Kinney is in business anymore, but he used to sell fisting tapes. Here in Canada, where we have provincial government censorship of porno, the powers that be actually allow vaginal fisting, but anal fisting is a no-no on medical grounds. The joys of bureaucracy. "Suckers of Satan's cock, each and every one of them" Bill Hicks  [Link] |
| Porn Scout Deactivated User 3735 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Apr 6 2008 : 6:52AM [Link] |
| Loraine Senior Member 1559 Posts 3/04 | Posted - Apr 6 2008 : 6:55AM and Wiki on Paul Cambria [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Apr 6 2008 : 7:31AM It isn't exactly illegal. It's just that doing it will probably expose the producers to the risk of prosecution for violating community standards. It's stupid. It's pointless. But it just is. [Link] |
| customer20983 Member 77 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Apr 6 2008 : 7:46AM While fisting is not federally illegal to produce, there are just WAY too many individual states here in the USA that have either specifically classified that act -- along with many of quote unquote extreme sex acts -- as obscene it just makes no sense for a producer to take it upon themselves to really open themselves up to such a costly and long drawn out legal court case over a matter that is so small. While there are a few USA fetish sex producers here in the states that do sneak the act as a minor backdrop like ol Max Hardcore, but most who feature that as part of the film or do it directly as part of the film just do not find it worth there time to make the film here in the USA and then distribute abroad as the courts come after the USA producer for making it here. Besides it not that expensive today to either partner with a foreign production or set up operations over in Europe and then fly the name recognized model over to the Netherlands and film and release from there as Sweet Picture did for Julie Knights recent Charlie's Anal film. But until the restriction ease up or someone is willing to go through the courts to get fisting proven not to be an obscene act -- and after the Five Star loss I doubt it -- most USA producers will just direct the consumer to the European producers and resellers. [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Apr 6 2008 : 8:30AM Similarly, Eli Cross in his podcast makes the excellent point that he isn't worried about being prosecuted for his fisting scenes because he's placed them within a storyline that will protect him under the 'artistic value' section of the Miller test. [Link] |
| customer20983 Member 77 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Apr 6 2008 : 9:08AM And as just shown in the Five Star complete LOSS (despite no acutal person being sent to jail), a jury can consider a film to be obscene even when it may NOT meet the structure as specified under the VERY broad application of "SLAPS test" as no jury is mandated to have to specify in any detail what content in an adult film meets the criteria that classifies it as successfully meeting said criteria of being "obscene". Also remember some STATE laws do list "fisting" as meeting their LOCAL criteria of being obscene. Thus if said producers' product ends up in that state they and their distributor CAN be hauled across country to face the local laws. Again most just figger it is far less costly and more orderly to avoid all that rather than go state by state (or federal district by federal district) to find out what is permissable and what is not to that locale municipality. [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Apr 6 2008 : 9:46AM As Eli says, the film may or may not be any good but you can't say that it isn't TRYING to say something, unlike plain gonzo footage of two people fucking each other. In Canada the laws are even tougher than in the US and a guy got off for writing child molesting short stories for his own 'pleasure' because it was determined that they could still have 'some artistic value.' [Link] |
| Blink Deactivated User 78 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Apr 6 2008 : 2:58PM Censorship pertains only to distribution and/or viewing, not to production. You may have the right to view one person harming another (depending on locale), but that does not justify the perpetration. Nor do destructive tendencies excuse the demand for such acts.That makes sense. The vagina is very stretchy and durable; babies even pass through it. The anus and especially the rectum are much more delicate."Jan. 18, 2001... there is wide agreement that the Cambria List shows how the adult industry is seeking to be more careful, fearing a potential crackdown on pornography by the Bush administration." Comedy gold. That quite obviously no longer applies. The Medical Aspects Of Anal Sex [Link] |
| customer20983 Member 77 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Apr 7 2008 : 2:43AM Again remember the failing the SLAPS (SERIOUS Literary, Artistic, Political, Scientific) content test is only ONE (1) part of a THREE (3) part condition. While MOST jurisidctions usually only prosecute material that meets ALL three conditions in order to try to optimize their chance for success, said prosecutors CAN prosecute if they believe the material in quesion only meets ONE of the three under the Miller decision. Fisting usually fails on the SECOND condition of the Miller decision test -- "whether a work describes or depicts content in a PATENTLY OFFENSIVE manner adherent to all applicable laws ("all applicable laws" being INCLUSIVE of the locale state and municipality laws DESPITE the content is originating from a locale OUTSIDE that jurisdiction). And I'm sorry too many people see anything outside straight penis to pussy insertion as "patently offensive" under their LOCALE understanding which is why "showing the ejaculation on the lady/man's hands OR face OR back" IS still being actively prosecuted in many jurisdictions here in the USA. Hence one of the reasons that most of the producers do NOT produce too much edge content as there ARE states where just showing sex films regardless of storyline and others things that make the film to meet their locale definition of being obscene -- though these restrictive states are usually well known to most producers, distributors and large scale consumers. But those states who have such blanket bans is one of the reasons most producers do NOT ship their products into those states as they KNOW they do NOT want to be dragged across country to face some locale little attorney general with an election/re-election issue need. Click to expand Click to expand I personally agree with your understanding.But too many people think of the Miller decision as being narrow when in reality it is VERY VERY broad and DOES include material that specifically does "ONLY try to say something" regardless of whether it tries to or not. The illusion that a LOT of us operate under that if we put a plot in a film -- even if it is the WORST plot ever like say "pizza guys gets lucky AGAIN! Episode 453!" -- that film will be absolved of being obscene IS A FANTASY. The same is true of just showing two people having sex together. Simply by itself most think that is NOT a condition for being obscene and many would agree as it is fairly normal act for everyone over 13 as a general rule But the REALITY is UNLESS the jurors in a locale jurisdiction say it is, such content IS obscene. and some do at the state level. As recited by several of the jurors of Five Star AFTER they gave the verdict they were NOT instructed to judge ANY particular act or event in the film as breaching what they deem as obscene but just they general feeling about the films in question which DOES say ANY locale municipality CAN prosecute ANYTHING they coming into their area. So yeah I respect Eli a lot for his great content and fairly straight talk. But there is no way he is going to be making a FISTING FEATURE any time soon. The same for any other USA producer here in the USA though several will continue to make and release from certain locales in Europe as there is a viable niche market for such.Canada is different from the USA -- where Miller is applicable. Though I guess because it did not have at least "one depiction of the act" it did not meet your locale condition of being a "crime comic" and thus illegal like a lot of Japanese hentia is now in Canada. But most of the content that is created here in the USA that many do NOT consider hard BDSM (I am talking about that which is COMPLETELY non sex and keeps the pants ON) is routinely denied entry import, such as "Harmony's Tickling Frenzy". As far as child molestation stories goes, here in the USA that is blanketly considered under current law (PROTECT ACT) "child porn" even though there are NO actual people involved and NO PICTURES AT ALL as the ongoing prosecution of Red Rose clearly shows. [Link] |
| kafka All-Star Member IAFD.com 1160 Posts 4/04 | Posted - Apr 8 2008 : 1:45AM In each province, there is a Film Classification Board. They set the ratings (ie equivalents to G, PG, PG-13, R, NC-17) for each film shown in movie theatres in that particular province, based on local standards. In addition, they approve DVDs and (in the old days), VHS tapes to be rented in video stores. In the case of adult videos, they can and do demand that material they find offensive be cut out, or they will not permit that video to be legally distributed. In most places, they hire a bunch of 20-something film students to review the adult movies, so generally not too much gets cut (unless you're Max Hardcore), but some of the results are wildly inconsistent, and highly irritating if you want to see the proper version. [Link] |
| dmzline Member 43 Posts 8/07 | Posted - Apr 8 2008 : 7:58AM [Link] |
| SeX Z Pictures Tommy Molina 73 Posts 11/07 | Posted - Apr 8 2008 : 9:27AM [Link] |
| customer20983 Member 77 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Apr 9 2008 : 1:19AM http://www.xbiz.com/news/92236 And this time the count is larger than that of Five Star's films in question. We better hope that THIS time the jury to make a SPECIFIC determination on a SPECIFIC act. Edited by - customer20983 on 4/9/2008 1:21:18 AM [Link] |
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| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Apr 9 2008 : 4:18AM That is lame to hear, but I think Evil Angel will have a much better chance than JM on getting off (JM got off on a technicality, not on actual substance, that is why 5 Star was left holding the bag). I wonder what films they're going after EA on? The 'squirting' films? Jake Malone or Belladonna? She-males? What do they think will get them a conviction? Edited by - BlackSix on 4/9/2008 4:50:22 AM [Link] |
| customer20983 Member 77 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Apr 9 2008 : 11:41AM And again even if the film was to pass the SLAPS test, that is still NO PROTECTION to the locale state which like Tennesse has SPECIFIC laws that prohibit things like fisting and vampism fetish films (showing tomato juice) and other so-called "extreme acts", really even base sex.We should find out by the end of the week. BUT just like Five Star AND Extreme and several others, the prosecution does NOT have to specify any particular act or situation that said offending product has within that jurisidction. THAT intentional vagueness is the key problem with the obscenity laws as they stand for any producer can hauled in to a community that said producer has never even be in before for anything and the prosecutors do NOT have to specify in any detail and leave the matter in generic terms of " 'the matter in question' violates the obscenity standards of this community" [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Apr 9 2008 : 2:48PM [Link] |
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